Laserschwert

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Post: #245138
Topic: Info Wanted: Anyone Planning on making Anamorphic versions using 2006 OUT DVDs?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/245138/action/topic#245138
Time: 17-Sep-2006 11:57 AM

My need for an anamorphic version is linked to my progressive-scan DVD-player and my 16:9 TV. When in PS-mode, my TV doesn't allow for any zooming on the picture, which means the letterbox image (including the black bars) is stretched to 16:9, resulting in a horizontally stretched image, without the black bars (or the major portion of them) being cropped off. So, I am still trying to decently denoise the image, since I don't want to upscale all the grain (be it fake or not).

Post: #245017
Topic: Info Wanted: Anyone Planning on making Anamorphic versions using 2006 OUT DVDs?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/245017/action/topic#245017
Time: 16-Sep-2006 8:06 PM

Just tried overlaying the binary sunset scene from '04 and '06, and it won't work. The laserdisc-transfer is all distorted, so that a simple resizing and cropping wouldn't help. So I's call it impossible... maybe the 97-SE works better, but I doubt it.

Post: #244989
Topic: Star Wars Limited Edition Screen Captures.
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/244989/action/topic#244989
Time: 16-Sep-2006 6:56 PM

@Zion:

Are there actually any plans for doing a comparison page for Empire and Jedi as well?

Post: #244755
Topic: SW fonts
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/244755/action/topic#244755
Time: 15-Sep-2006 6:31 PM

Originally posted by: Gregbert
Hello,

Could someone tell me what font is used on the DVD covers for the title of the individual episodes? It looks like a variation of Time New Roman but the tail of the "R" is elongated. I just need to know the title, I am sure I can find it.

Take care,
Greg

The font ist named "Trajan". There is a free font out there named "Episode I", which is fan-made, but it has several issues with letter spacings. So if you want the real deal, try to get Trajan.

Post: #244753
Topic: Info Wanted: Anyone Planning on making Anamorphic versions using 2006 OUT DVDs?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/244753/action/topic#244753
Time: 15-Sep-2006 6:21 PM

Originally posted by: nix.nux
But for me a very important thing would be to get the DVDMenu from the 2004 DVD for the GOUT Version(like OCP did), this none Motion thing look like made with TMPENC DVD Author!

I did this as well for my own set, but it wasn't as easy, since I had other audio-tracks on it, as well as some bonus material. Therefore I had to retouch the menus in AfterEffects (clearing out the original menu items, replacing them with my own plus creating new sub-menus) and re-authored the whole thing in EncoreDVD. This way I kept all animated menus and their transitions intact.

Post: #244727
Topic: Info Wanted: Anyone Planning on making Anamorphic versions using 2006 OUT DVDs?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/244727/action/topic#244727
Time: 15-Sep-2006 5:28 PM

I'm not sure, but aren't most of the shots from the 97-SE the same as the 2004-SE, except for the color-corrections? I know some shots have been recomposed, but maybe using the chroma from the 97-SEs and layering the luma from the 2004-SEs on top of it migh work for most of the scenes. This way you get all the image detail from the "restored" transfer, minus the crappy colors.

By the way, here's the first filtered clip (and I still don't think that I've filtered too much... I don't see any detail being lost... the smearing was already present in the source):

http://rapidshare.de/files/33252179/sunset_laserschwert.m2v.html

EDIT:
And here's the second one:
http://rapidshare.de/files/33256259/luke_ben_laserschwert.m2v.html

Post: #244705
Topic: Info Wanted: Anyone Planning on making Anamorphic versions using 2006 OUT DVDs?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/244705/action/topic#244705
Time: 15-Sep-2006 4:17 PM

Originally posted by: Doctor M
In my in-expert opinion that looks like some cheesy 1993 edge enhancement and not deinterlacing artifacts.
ust my $.02 on it.

No, those are definitely field-problems... by deinterlacing or by IVTCing.

Post: #244668
Topic: Star Wars Limited Edition Screen Captures.
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/244668/action/topic#244668
Time: 15-Sep-2006 2:00 PM

Originally posted by: Zion
But I'd appreciate a list of the ones you think are off so I can check them out

OK, here goes (these ones are definitely off, I've checked them, switching back and forth between GOUT-PAL and GOUT-NTSC):

4, 5, 6, 11, 14, 16, 22, 23, 29, 32, 33, 35, 36

And I'm not 100% sure about these ones:
7, 8, 28

Post: #244635
Topic: Stormtrooper with 4 eyes ::( or Stormtrooper showing terrible IVTC/telecine artefacts
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/244635/action/topic#244635
Time: 15-Sep-2006 11:45 AM

Originally posted by: Master Sifo-Dyas
mouse pointers moving through the picture.

Uhm... what the...? Where?? That's not possible, I'd say.

Post: #244633
Topic: Info Wanted: Anyone Planning on making Anamorphic versions using 2006 OUT DVDs?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/244633/action/topic#244633
Time: 15-Sep-2006 11:42 AM

The strange thing is, it doesn't occur in all shots... some look perfectly fine (as far as it can be called that).

Post: #244593
Topic: Star Wars Limited Edition Screen Captures.
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/244593/action/topic#244593
Time: 15-Sep-2006 6:39 AM

Just wanted to let you know that all NTSC-frames are off by one frame, so I assume this goes for the hologram-shot as well. This might explain, why the NTSC-frame doesn't show scanlines.

Post: #244592
Topic: Info Wanted: Anyone Planning on making Anamorphic versions using 2006 OUT DVDs?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/244592/action/topic#244592
Time: 15-Sep-2006 6:29 AM

Originally posted by: Karyudo

Originally posted by: Laserschwert
[T]he Ben & Luke scene contains some SERIOUS deinterlacing-artifacts...

Could you post a sample shot? (With some arrows drawn on, if it's subtle?)

Unfortunately it's not subtle... especially in motion these artifacts are visible. I'm not sure if they result from the upscale to PAL, but I assume the NTSC-version contains theses as well, as they're to large to be caused by those few extra lines added:

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/1391/interl1yy6.gif

(Note the speeder details, and the rocks on the ground)

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/261/interl2ic2.gif

(Flickering details and stair-steps on the lines)

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/6804/interl3ke8.gif

(The same as above)

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/1184/interl4wf3.jpg

(Ugly stair-steps on the mountain silhouette)

Post: #244448
Topic: Info Wanted: Anyone Planning on making Anamorphic versions using 2006 OUT DVDs?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/244448/action/topic#244448
Time: 14-Sep-2006 9:22 PM

Originally posted by: vbangle
Thanks for the reply...yes thank you for the script, I should be able to find my way now.

One question, Would there be a benifit to different noise-profile for different sceens? I think I read that
the amount of grain varies from sceen to sceen. If I made different noise-profiles and de-noised per sceen rather than the
whole movie at once, would that be worth the extra effort?

I'm pretty sure that it would yield better results... personally I'd be too lazy to do it that way

Sad thing is, that the Ben & Luke scene contains some SERIOUS deinterlacing-artifacts, and I assume it's not the only scene suffering from something like that.

Post: #244435
Topic: Info Wanted: Anyone Planning on making Anamorphic versions using 2006 OUT DVDs?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/244435/action/topic#244435
Time: 14-Sep-2006 8:26 PM

Originally posted by: vbangle
Laserschwert, could you PLEASE make up even a crude/brief tutorial on how you did this? I know you commented on the programs you used but a brief
run down on the order and specifics with those programs would be helpful. I hope you agree....I look foward to your answer.

Well, it isn't that hard at all (if you know your way with AviSynth and VirtualDub). I guess NeatVideo (I've used the VirtualDub-version here, you can use the demo version) is the key.

NeatVideo is a video denoiser-plugin based on its predecessor NeatImage, a Photoshop-plugin to denoise still images. It works by sampling a noise pattern, so that the plugin knows, which form of noise should be removed. You can save this noise-profile along with the denoising-settings, and have NeatVideo use these as the default settings.

This is where AviSynth comes into play. Here's the script:

LoadVirtualDubPlugin("F:\VirtualDub\PLUGINS\NeatVideo.vdf","NeatVideo")

MPEGSource("sunset.mpg").crop(0,124,0,-126).ConvertToRGB32

NeatVideo

LancZos4Resize(900,600)
convertToYV12.LimitedSharpenFaster
LancZos4Resize(720,464)
AddBorders(0,56,0,56)

return last

Since AviSynth allows for VirtualDub-plugins to be loaded and used in the script, I do this with NeatVideo. The source is defined, and the black bars are cropped. Since VirtualDub-plugins require a color space format of RGB32 when used in AviSynth, the proper conversion is applied. After applying the filter (it uses the "defaults", as explained above), I upscale the image, a little larger than necessary, sharpen it with the LimitedSharpenFaster-function (which requires a color space conversion to YV12) and scale it down to the anamorphic PAL size (minus the black bars, which get added at the end). Scaling the image up before sharpening, and scaling it down afterwards helps removing some halos that occur through the sharpening.

That's basically it.

Post: #244403
Topic: Info Wanted: Anyone Planning on making Anamorphic versions using 2006 OUT DVDs?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/244403/action/topic#244403
Time: 14-Sep-2006 7:12 PM

Utilizing the two segments ripped by R2D2 (and provided in THIS thread), I have started experimenting with them. Here are a few shots, comparing the simple upscaled version (the "before") and the processed version (using NeatVideo to remove noise, and AviSynth with LimitedSharpenFaster for upscaling and sharpening):

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/9598/tuskenasv8.png

http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/4795/tuskenbaf3.png

And here a few more comparisons:

Binary sunset (simple upscale)
Binary sunset (processed)

Luke sunset (simple upscale)
Luke sunset (processed)

Luke home (simple upscale)
Luke home (processed)

Luke on ground (simple upscale)
Luke on ground (processed)

Ben (simple upscale)
Ben (processed)

Luke & Ben (simple upscale)
Luke & Ben (processed)

I think turning these discs into anamorphic (while cleaning them up a little bit) might be very possible after all, although it's probably better to start with the NTSC-versions (even for an anamorphic PAL result), since they're not already (crudely) upscaled.

I'll try getting some MPEGs up later.

Post: #243719
Topic: Star Wars Limited Edition Screen Captures.
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/243719/action/topic#243719
Time: 13-Sep-2006 2:42 PM

Thanks for the clips, R2D2...

The Luke & Ben clip shows some terrible interlacing artifacts... I really wonder how that happens when IVTC-ing PROPERLY from the master tapes.

Post: #243375
Topic: Preserving the "German" Original Trilogy (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/243375/action/topic#243375
Time: 12-Sep-2006 7:55 PM

Maybe you can try Citizen's idea of multiple captures, and averaging those, to get rid of interferences and noise.

By the way, I am more interested in the three crawls alone (or six, considering capturing both the quasi-anamorphic and the letterbox-version), so maybe you can do those first ... it's OK if not though.

Post: #243250
Topic: Preserving the "German" Original Trilogy (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/243250/action/topic#243250
Time: 12-Sep-2006 3:20 PM

And any news on the MPEG2-files of the German crawls?

Post: #243139
Topic: Are the PAL GOUT DVDs upscaled from the NTSC masters?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/243139/action/topic#243139
Time: 12-Sep-2006 10:18 AM

Originally posted by: Moth3r
The possibilty of a Moth3r laserdisc transfer V1.1 is looking increasingly more likely...

And I am more and more looking forward to that... although my "ultimate set" is bearing your current transfer.

Post: #243036
Topic: Help: looking for. 1997 Special Edition Preservation?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/243036/action/topic#243036
Time: 11-Sep-2006 8:50 PM

I've got anamorphic PAL-versions of the digital broadcasts of the SEs... though seeding them would take forever with my line (plus they have German logos, crawls and subtitles).

Post: #242325
Topic: Info Wanted: Anyone Planning on making Anamorphic versions using 2006 OUT DVDs?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/242325/action/topic#242325
Time: 8-Sep-2006 6:06 PM

Originally posted by: ESHBG
Thanks a lot for the info, wmgan! I don't even have DVD ripping software yet, though, so anything you (or anyone else) would recommend? I'm not looking for anything really fancy (or expensive), just something that would accomplish this SW anamorphic goal with relative ease.

Yeah, when I say novice, I really mean it LOL This is all new to me and I had no real interest in it until now...but thanks to people like you, wmgan, with the more I learn, the more interested in it I become!

As Wmgan said, use DVD Decrypter for ripping. It's free.

Post: #242238
Topic: Info Wanted: Anyone Planning on making Anamorphic versions using 2006 OUT DVDs?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/242238/action/topic#242238
Time: 8-Sep-2006 2:40 PM

It depends on how you want to use the output. If you just want to watch it, try WindowsMedia or XviD. If you want to edit the stuff, try using a lossless codec like HuffYUV.

Post: #241884
Topic: Info Wanted: Anyone Planning on making Anamorphic versions using 2006 OUT DVDs?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/241884/action/topic#241884
Time: 6-Sep-2006 10:27 PM

Originally posted by: THX
Thanks for your answers, Karyudo & Laserman. I think my question was unclear, though, sorry. I can see that fanamorphic(TM) is bound to be better than TV scaling for a letterboxed Laserdisc capture. What I was concerned about was increased (compounded?) mpeg compression artifacts when coming from a (previously compressed) DVD source.

Given that the new DVDs are going to be dual layer (they are, right?!?) and that the black bars of the letterbox do compress quite well, I don't think that the transfer will carry any notable MPEG-artifacts. If it does there are still filters to eliminate these next to sharpening the image.

Post: #241663
Topic: Info Wanted: Anyone Planning on making Anamorphic versions using 2006 OUT DVDs?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/241663/action/topic#241663
Time: 6-Sep-2006 7:24 AM

My next plan would be to use as much from the 1997-SE (I've got an anamorphic digital broadcast from a German pay-TV-station), including the localized opening logo "Krieg der Sterne" (because since the prequels came out there's always the "Star Wars"-logo in front of the crawl... even on the 2004-OT). Then I'd "just" need to upconvert the 2006-OOT to match the SE (which would probably include some LimitedSharpen and some dirt removal) to replace the SE-parts with their original versions. It's as simply as taking candy from a baby... trained in kung-fu...

Post: #241646
Topic: Info Wanted: Anyone Planning on making Anamorphic versions using 2006 OUT DVDs?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/241646/action/topic#241646
Time: 6-Sep-2006 4:52 AM

Actually I was considering doing an anamorphic version as well... although I have recently finished my "custom DVD"-set (I think the term does apply here as well) using Moth3r's transfer. But after all the new DVDs will have a transfer with probably the least analogue artifacts, something not only Moth3r's trilogy suffers from.

At least I'd like to try upscaling those suckers to anamorphic, adn perform some major clean-up using AviSynth.