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#311889
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Star Wars Prologue - Epic Prequel Edit (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/311889/action/topic#311889
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Thanks Ringo. If I took more time it would have been better & yeah, the saber would need to be re-rotoscoped at the end. I just saw some of the re-edits darkhelmet did in his version of Sith there is good stuff there you should look at Anti-Matter.

Anti-matter
I also thought that with some clever editing the gungans can be cut out all together. When Amidala decides to go back to Naboo instead of her asking for the gungans for help you can just cut to the part when she explains her plan to enter the palace thru the secret passage on the waterfall side. Her main goal can be to simply capture the Viceroy while the only battle that takes place is the space battle at the Fed. ship while the Jedi deal with Maul and her team enter the palace. Simply cut out all the gungan stuff and delete all references to the gungans. I saw TPM the other day and it can be possible.

I also had this idea as well, I was thinking if instead of having to see any of those excruciating "intimate scenes" between Padme and Anakin, why not simply make it look as they are already involved by the time Anakin is a young man? What i mean is, after the PTM section of the Prologue is over go back to tatoine and show Anakin as a boy and simply use a "fade" transition on tatoine and fade to him as a young man. That way there is no need for anymore text on the screen to denote the passage of time. You can fade to the time him and Padme are on tatoine perhaps at the Lars' homested looking for Shmi. Remove all the "My Jedi protector" nonsense and all the crap scenes between them on Naboo and just make it look like they are already involved and have been for years during the time after the liberation of naboo in TPM. Maybe even with some clever editing make it look like Anakin was living with the Lars all along... this compliments your idea of leaving boy Anakin on Tatoine. Then at the end of AOTC section, they marry. The only kissing scene that should even stay should be the one on Geonosis cutting out "...been dying a little bit each day since I saw you" *cringe* of course.
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#311776
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/311776/action/topic#311776
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Originally posted by: buddy-x-wing



but does that really ADD anything to the movie? If anything i think it would detract from the mood and the darkness of the movie, apart from touching up of light sabers blades the Luke vs Vader duel is as close to perfection as the saga gets.



Well that's the thing. If you want my humble opinion ESB is really as close to perfect movie we can get. The only problems I see are technical. We don't need to ADD anything. All this talk about adding shields and lines really makes me scratch my head... The only thing ESB really needs IMHO is maybe some technical work.

So its my contention is that a light source generates light and that is most apparent in the dark. So maybe digitally this technical inconsistency can be fixed.
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#311710
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Star Wars Prologue - Epic Prequel Edit (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/311710/action/topic#311710
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I'm pretty good at editing myself.
This Prologue idea has kind of got me a bit psyched up about the prequels which I thought would never happen.

Sometimes showing an actual example is better than trying to explain something verbally.
I've never thought about doing a re-edit of any movie before but I decided to make a few re-edits myself help give some examples of some good ideas. I downloaded a few clips off of You tube and did these last night on Sony Vegas , took about an hour.
Sorry if the music soundtrack jumps sometimes but I was only using a mono track.

Phantom Menace: Obi-wan makes a quick job of Maul
I made a quick clip of Obiwan killing Maul quickly, basically deleting the un-cliffhanger of Obiwan dangling precariously. I also think Qui-gon would have realistically been dead by the time the movie finally gets back to him. So its better to make Ob1 kill Maul quickly.

Sith: Re-edited Balcony scene with Padme and Obi-wan
I basically cut bad dialogue and bad acting of Padme and rearranged the scene so OB1 doesn't answer instead gives a telling stare when she asks if he's going to kill Anakin. I thinks its more dramatic that way.

Sith: Dialogue re-edit before Anakin & Obiwan Duel
I hate to toot my horn here but I really like what I did here. I think this shows that you can remove about HALF of the dialogue from a scene in a prequel movie and still have the scene make sense and come across better than before. Basically Padme doesn't whimper like a dying puppy throughout the whole scene anymore and Anakin comes across as meaner and more deranged, filled with the dark side. (Oh, and doesn't say stupid things either.)
You can see the way the scene was before here: Mustafar scene

Let me know if u like how they turned out.
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#311491
Topic
Star Wars Prologue - Epic Prequel Edit (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/311491/action/topic#311491
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Originally posted by: Anti-Matter It may be that the best--and perhaps only--candidate is Palpatine. That is, exploit the Palpatine/Emperor/Sidious element to contrive some confusion and/or suggestion that Anakin dies at the hands of someone other than Obi-wan. That other someone is revealed to be "Darth Vader" when we reach EP4, and then only in EP5 do we realize that (a) there have been two principal villains all along, and (b) Vader is in fact Anakin Skywalker, whom we believed had been betrayed and slain prior to EP4.


I see what you're getting at, how to create the sense that Anakin was killed by a "Darth Vader". One we never see ... hmmm...
But, couldn't the audience KNOW that Ben is lying to Luke in ANH but still think Darth Vader is a separate person? Nobody has to know that Anakin is Darth Vader just that Ben is lying about how Luke's father died because the audience knows Ben Killed him. Why would Ben tell luke he killed his father? But of course he is really lying because of who his father is. This can play out quite well..


Anyway, I just thought I'd link to these shorts I found on Youtube from "G4 Attack of the show"":
(They pretty much say it all)

Star Wars

The Empire Strikes Back

Return of the Jedi


It seems you have your work cut out for you, Anti-Matter ...
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#311449
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Star Wars Prologue - Epic Prequel Edit (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/311449/action/topic#311449
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Originally posted by: Anti-Matter


I am aware of this, but it never really bothered me storywise because Ben is much older and so it is easy (at least for me) to forgive his lack of precision when he recalls the past. ... Perhaps an opportunity was missed in Adywan's Revisited edit. I know but it didn't happen. I was thinking of a way that it could be done -- the word "been" is somtimes pronounced a lot like "Ben". Maybe editing in the word "been" from other dialoug perhaps lifted from other movies portman, jackson, christiansen, etc, have done , you may be able to acomplish this. Maybe worth a shot.


I need to save some of this depressing footage, because we will be returning to the first time arc later in the movie.
Oh okay, you should add them later on when you return to the time. They are actualy really well done and some of the few scenes I actually liked from the prequels.


But what if the two characters simply said nothing at that moment? It just so happens that we do not see Obi-wan's mouth, so it would be easy to either alter or remove speech.
Excellent. Do that, as long as they keep their mouth's shut.

Anyway, have you guys seen the "Star Wars Episode III Re-Edit" by BrachioInGen on Youtube? I just saw it last night and I really like the idea of keeping Vader/Anakin secret until Episode V. and Leia/Luke secret until Ep. VI! Its actually one of the best editing jobs I've ever seen. He also edits out some really bad dialogue as well. I hope you are using some of his ideas for this prologue.

I also want to talk about another inconsistency --- The Leia discussion with Luke on Endor. After watching BrachioInGen's edit an idea hit me that maybe Padme doesn't have to die after all.

Here are my thoughts on what could be done to keep Padme alive at the end of ROST.

1. Remove the subplot of Anakin wanting to save Padme from death. I and many people never liked it because when Anakin chokes her it defeats the whole premise of him wanting to save her. I always thought it was pretty stupid and his motivation for turning to the darkside should have always been simply "Anakin’s thirst for unlimited power".

2. Delete the shots in which she dies on the operation table, obviously, as well as "lost the will to live" as BrachioInGen did.

3. there is a shot of senator Organa Jimmy Smits with his wife on Alderan holding a baby. Maybe you can rotoscop his wife's face/head out and replace it with Padme, so it looks like she's holding the baby. Its a brief scene. We don't even have to know which twin ( Luke or Leia) it is.

4. Padme can also be rotoscoped into the final shot with OB1 handing the baby over to the Lars. Perhaps you can use a shot of her crying as would make sense if she's giving up her child.

So a scenario of how it may work out can play out like this; Padme is giving birth to the babies with Kenobi there to comfort her. She does not die. We cut to a scene of her holding her baby with Jimmy Smits. Cut to the scene were Yoda explains to Smits and OB1 that Luke must be hidden on Tatowine and Kenobi must watch over him. Then, OB1 and perhaps Padme crying handing the baby over to the Lars. End.

May be plausible...
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#311396
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Star Wars Prologue - Epic Prequel Edit (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/311396/action/topic#311396
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Anti-Matter

I just finished downloading the Part 1 (early screening).divx.avi today and saw it and I really like it so far... really tight!

This is a few things I would consider doing (besides my majorly awesome sugestion of ghost-rotoscoping Neeson out )

I know you have featherd all the swipes and transitions already so that's moot.

Another inconsistency from the Prequels that makes me dislike them so... in the Ep. IV Ben says to Luke that he has not gone by the name of Obiwan since "Oh, before you were born".
I wonder if there is a way to change it in your Prologue so that everyone calls him "Ben" Kenobi instead -- at least during the time of the Jedi Purge. I know it may be impossible to do but its something to consider ... and I can dream can't I?

There were scenes during the Jedi purge where more Jedi are being killed (like the Twi'lek Jedi Aayla Secura) I think you should include them. It makes the purge seem bigger, more widespread.

I also think you should use more "starwarsy" font for the time stamp text during the fadeouts. Maybe the same as the opening "A long time ago in a Galaxy far, far away ...". The reason i say this is that in Star Wars proper this is the only time descriptive text appears on the screen aside from the opening crawl. Maybe it would be a good idea to stay consistent with the opening text.

Oh, one last thing the dialog is so bad in these prequels ..., I hate that close-up on OB1's face during the Grevious duel, you know, right when Grevious says "..you're doomed!" and then OB1 replies with the brilliant ingenious retort "Oh, I don't think so!" Leave Grevious and remove Kenobi's close up and his bad reply and I'll be your best friend.
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#311366
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Star Wars Prologue - Epic Prequel Edit (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/311366/action/topic#311366
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Originally posted by: DarthBo


If only it were possible to add this scene to the film (Neeson soundalikes step up please)...


Ahhh ... yes that would have done it. But alas it was not to be, so we are left with the inconsistency we have now. I would suggest making Qui-gon disapear since creating a GC scene using Neeson soundalikes would be (not impossible) but far more difficult.

Edit
Btw, I hope everyone realizes that we are not talking about the "novels" we are talking about a film series that doesn't matchup with itself ...
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#311334
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Star Wars Prologue - Epic Prequel Edit (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/311334/action/topic#311334
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[Originally posted by: Anti-Matter
Is Qui-gon allowed to 'ghost out' ?

....While we're on this interesting topic, how about adding Qui-gon's ghost to the ensemble finale in EP6? I'm not sure if he can be positioned into the frame, but it's something to think about.


The conversation with OB1 & yoda at the end of ROTS was one of the most disappointing cop-outs I've ever seen in a film series. Yoda basically said Qui-gon was going to teach OB1 how to "become one with the force" if I remember correctly (I do not have ROTS in my collection). But how can that be if Qui-gon did not disappear himself?

Anyway, enough of my ranting, as far as I know Qui-gon should ghost-out. I don't believe there is any reason he shouldn't. In fact if he ghosts-out when he dies it would actually make that conversation between OB1 and Yoda kind of make more sense. If I were you i would go and look at that scene just to make sure but I'm pretty possitive there is nothing in the movies at all that states Qui-gon was NOT suposed to ghost-out, so we are left with that nagging "why not?"...
As for the Pyre scene I never liked it too much because the acting by Loyd was so bad, I mean, that fake crying "Ugh" and there is really nothing very important said there except for Yoda's and Mace's remarks about "always 2 siths" which are repeated elsewhere in the PT so I think it can be cut out.

As for Qui-gon in EP6, I thought this was just the prolouge?
I don't think the OT should be tampered with to that degree and anyway its Luke's personal "vision" after all and he never knew Qui-gon but that's just my opinion.

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#311294
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Star Wars Prologue - Epic Prequel Edit (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/311294/action/topic#311294
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Anti-Matter,
I actually like your idea for a Prologue very much it may be the only version of the prequels I would be able to stomached at all considering what Lucas did.

I was wondering if you could make Qui-Gon Jin disappear after he is killed by Maul using rotoscoping technique. Maybe in Kenobi's arms ...

...but really I think Qui-gon should disappear. It would match OT and Qui-gon's ghost was supposed to teach Obiwan on tatowine how to do this, right?

This inconsistency has always been probably my biggest gripe against the PT.
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#311036
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/311036/action/topic#311036
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Here's an idea.
I noticed, Ady, that you added a lot of reflected light in your version of SW during the final battle.

One thing that always bugged me about the Luke/Vader duel in ESB is that it takes place in the dark yet the light sabers don't cast any light on them or their surroundings. I noticed that this was "fixed" in the prequels. Maybe you can make the light sabers cast light in the dark.

I made a quick Photoshop edit of how it might look like (keep in mind this is just a quick editing job) :

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/9039/5406906km1.jpg
Original casting no light.

http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/9247/5406906copybn7.jpg
How it may look like with light sabers casting light.

Lemme know what you think?
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#310797
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/310797/action/topic#310797
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Congrats on the trailer Ady. I like it a lot. The changes you propose are very well thought-out. I don't really disagree with any of them the only thing I HATE about the trailer is when it says : "coming 2009"

Anyway. My suggestion is to limit the SE Hoth Wampa shots to only when it stands up that first time in the cave. Leave that one shot. That may be more freaky than seeing the thing all the time like lucas did in the SE.

Remember how in the movie Alien we only get quick glimpses of the Alien? Re-edit the scene that way.

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#310794
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/310794/action/topic#310794
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Originally posted by: teharri
ESB: Include dream view when Luke has visions of Han and Leia in Cloud City. If possible use the same effect that used in ROTS with Anakin's dreams. here
I had this idea posted in another thread. Wonder what you guys would think of this.



Please god NO! Please limit any prequel additions to music.

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#310793
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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/310793/action/topic#310793
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Hi first post. (well second actually)

I just found out about this project about a week or so ago and downloaded the Xvid. I tell you... I've been watching it every day now since. I just love practicaly everything about it! What an awesome suprise this was. This is the best version of SW I've ever seen and this is exactly what the special edition SHOULD have been from the beginning.

Good luck on the rest of the series I only wish you change the prequels to match the story of the OT instead of the other way around.

off to post suggestions on the ESB thread...