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#1347774
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant
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poppasketti said:

Also also, for the Mustafar establishing shots, if we come up with a sequence that Hal is happy with, adding 1-2 shots, I can probably add the ties to whichever shots are chosen. Rather than mock-up so many different shots with ties though, I was thinking to wait until a sequence is cut that everyone’s on board with. The only shot that would be of questionable difficulty is the first RO shot going through the clouds, but if that cuts well with the others leading to Kylo on the ground we can try to make that work!

I think the particular shots worth a try (in sequence) are:

  • TIE Fighters/Troop transports leaving the Star Destroyer. Maybe reverting the trajectory of the TIEs for that TFA shot of Kylo’s destroyer just before Poe’s torture here
  • TIEs approaching Vader’s Castle in the first Rogue One establishing shot.
  • Or… TIEs flying past the castle when seen from behind (all shots with Krennic’s shuttle erased). The lava environment is less prominent in the second establishing shot so that might sell the transition to woodland better.

Then the sequence would lead to the already existing TIEs flying over the forest. Then to the actual fight seen in the movie.

The only continuity nitpick against it is that TIEs are nowhere to be found during the actual slaughter scene. Maybe adding some TIE flyby sounds and green lasers in the distance could help?

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#1347514
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant
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Hal 9000 said:

I imagine that feeling strange and disjointed. 😕

Unrelated: can I ask for a single volunteer to send me a recording to be able to add an extremely subtle nod to ROTJ? The line read is, “Die, dickheads!”

Google it if you don’t know what I mean.

Lol I understood that reference.

With regards to Mustafar, I guess the the simpler the better. There’s just not enough existing dialogue, even re-purposed lines, to provide context for that scene to fully work as an opening. The best course of action right now would be, as most people suggested pages earlier, to have a continuous tracking of the TIE Fighters lead us to the battle. First the TIEs and Destroyer in space, then the flyby over the woods (it would be great if some VFX addition could allow for the TIEs to fly past Vader’s Castle, just to make the planet identifiable as Mustafar before moving on to the woodland) and then Kylo’s slaughter of the cultists (and Palpatine’s “find me”).

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#1347467
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant
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Yeah I have polarized thoughts about the novelization. It feels like Lucasfilm cannot make up its mind even after the saga is wrapped up. The same way TROS felt like a retcon of TLJ prompted by backlash, the TROS novelization retcons controversial stuff established in the very same movie it adapted. Like Rey’s dad not being Palpatine’s biological offspring but a rogue clone of him. Or Ben and Rey’s kiss not being romantic.

On the other hand, the novel confirms stuff that we really should implement or make clearer in any fan-edit of this film, like the fact Palpatine transferred his essence to a clone, but that body is not viable enough to fully support his power (basically, “more than a clone, less than a man”).

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#1347412
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant
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The shuttle looks awesome. The slight size increase is not jarring at all.

I believe the only time we see a regular TIE land on screen (in live action at least) is Moff Gideon’s fighter in The Mandalorian. But I’m pretty sure that one is a different model, since it folded its wings in order to land.

Streamlined TIE models obviouslly don’t have those landing restrictions, as seen when Kylo parks his Whisper on Exegol.

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#1347371
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant
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That shot looks seamless! It kind of fits that it’s a ship commonly associated with Vader, instead of a generic TIE.

According to sources the full height of the Lambda shuttle with wings folded is apparently 22 m (72 feet) while the X-Wing measures 2,4 m (8 ft). You could make the Lambda just somewhat larger, though it’s not really that noticeable and more of a nitpick.

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#1347306
Topic
Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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Nice one jonh! I was concerned that music would sound too cinematic or “trailery” but, as others have already said, it fits the actual scene beat by beat, and it helps with the catharsis factor to the ultimate confrontation between the Sith and the Jedi.

I guess the score has been somewhat overlooked amidst all the brainstorming, but I think it’s one of the most important things to get right at least in this movie. John Williams pulled off the gimmick of revisiting previous musical motifs from previous installments in the saga, but the actual film played very loose with those themes, even when they represent something specific. For example, I was thrilled to hear the track for Yoda and Palpatine’s confrontation when Rey is training at the base, but was confused when well known themes such as “Luke and Leia” were used for seemingly random moments like Lando and Jannah’s meeting.

I think we could use even more small snippets of previous scores to accomplish an even more cohesive musical atmosphere. This film is supposed to be the climax of the entire saga, that should be reflected in its score, too.

Themes I was wondering we could revisit:

  • Duel of the Fates (this one has been suggested a lot. It would fit for the Death Star duel and the Sith Eternal’s chanting on Exegol)
  • The Mystery of the Sith theme aka the second half of Padmé’s Ruminations (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4JsA4jF7yo , beginning 1:37). This first appeared in ROTS and I believe is the inspiration for “Anthem of Evil”, the theme that plays when Rey meets Palpatine. Since it’s subtle yet sinister, pieces of it could be spread across the movie in scenes that deal with Palpatine speaking to Kylo or Pryde, or the mystery of Ochi and the dagger.
  • Rose’s Theme could be played over the scene where Finn and Jannah talk.
  • “I’m so Sorry” from ROTS and Clone Wars: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH06ijLc2EM&t=189s
  • Some sinister-sounding tracks from the OT such as The Approach to Endor (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkm1jf9Avik&list=PLauGpiqPcHu379AvbapPx9L84RC-P3SLV&index=18) particularly that part near the beginning when Palpatine and Vader speak.
  • The entire ending part of the track “Star Wars and the Revenge of the Sith” went unused in that film. So it could be used in fast-paced action scenes (such as the speeder bike chase) and not feel recycled.
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#1347027
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant
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DZ-330 said:

Respects to: idir_hh, poppasketti, Dominic_Cobb

Restructure 2.0

Putting it all together
https://vimeo.com/420424145
PW: fanedit

A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.

This opening act works even better than I thought, besides the con of explaining how the Resistance learns of Palpatine. I’m looking forward to whatever edit features this restructure.

Hal, in your current set of ideas, how are you doing the Darth Vader helmet vision? Are you keeping it where it currently stands or keeping it for later and justify Kylo’s decision to rebuild his own helmet?

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#1346901
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant
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If we add a vision at the beginning of the opening, I believe it should be quieter. Jumping straight from a flashy vision to the middle of an action scene wouldn’t really fix the whiplash effect and abysmal pacing. Yeah the vision could contextualize the later scene better, but maybe we could insert slower establishing shots of Exegol/Mustafar/the Sith fleet/whatever to fill space between the quicker frames of Han, Luke, etc. and let the vision have more breathing room, before moving on to Kylo’s battle with the cultists.

I like DZ-330 restructure, and I don’t mind ditching a cold opening in favor of a fast, Bond-style action sequence. I’d rather not have Kylo and Vader’s helmet interspersed with Rey’s training, so we can keep those shots for later and justify Kylo reforging his helmet as in DominicCobb’s version. Rey’s flashbacks should be a side-consequence of her gradually losing her temper, thus showing her struggles with the dark side early in the film. Also, that way, we can reveal Kylo’s face on Mustafar.

As a minor fuss, if we open the film with the Falcon action scene, the moment where the TIEs arrive should be rescored. Emperor Palpatine’s theme doesn’t feel right when we haven’t seen him yet at this point or known of his connections to the First Order.

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#1346726
Topic
Revenge of the Sith (The New Canon Cut) [CURRENTLY UNAVAILABLE]
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Having watched the rogue cut before reading your last post, it felt a little strange watching Obi-Wan casually appear and do nothing for a while, though I guess it didn’t make much sense either way in the original with Obi-Wan waiting inside the ship until he decides to make his dramatic appearance. I can get used to it, though.

The dialogue seems fine for me, besides some, minor, technical stuff. Can you drop the first “and” in Anakin’s “and you and I could rule the galaxy…”?

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#1346707
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant
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Hal 9000 said:

In watching through the movie, skipping around to imitate our ideas, I think the opening feels very rushed removing Mustafar and the chess scene.

I really don’t mind Mustafar as is, so this isn’t an obvious answer. It might be best as it is, even without the meat of the scene, with or without a couple establishing shots.

This movie just doesn’t give us much wiggle room.

I think I agree with you about Mustafar. The film already sorely misses huge chunks of unreleased scenes, and cutting not one but two scenes from the first ten minutes wouldn’t do any favors to its jarring, non-stop pacing.

The chess scene at the end is so good that I don’t really want to see it returned to its original spot lol. So far I’d rather fix Mustafar, unless we go the radical route and begin the film with something else and then lead up to Kylo’s journey and finding Palpatine.

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#1346514
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant
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Octorox said:

The only disadvantage I see to cutting Mustafar is that you just start the film and there’s Palpatine, with no build up. Would prefer to see that finding him at least took some doing on Kylo’s part. Like I know that we can infer that it happened offscreen but I think it’s better to see that effort play out onscreen.

Yeah, I agree. Palpatine right at the opening scene is only marginally better than spoiling his return in the crawl. Though I’d hardly call Mustafar a full scene anyway, and the film could definitely work without it if the Wayfinder’s importance is downplayed, I really wish we can salvage that admittely cool sequence and give it more substance. Maybe re-contextualise it in another moment of the movie? Like maybe suggesting Kylo goes to Fortress Vader to rebuild his helmet?

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#1346450
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant
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I’m having mixed feelings about Mustafar. Part of me doesn’t want the clearest shout-out to the prequel trilogy removed. On the other side, moving from the crawl right to Kylo jumping out of hyperspace over Exegol could fit a bit better, that scene is much longer has a lot more breathing room (and as jonh pointed out, the buildup is nothing that can’t be explained in the crawl). Besides, Exegol with the reveal of Palps and the Final Order already makes for a more impressive, cold opening, which is a nice change of pace after ROTS, TFA and TLJ opened with action scenes.

The main con to the Mustafar beginning is the lack of context provided. Is there any expositional way of justifying Kylo’s trip to Mustafar besides the crawl and Vader’s helmet as guidance?

With regards to the Fortress Vader establishing shot, would it be feasible to paint some scorched patches of forest in the background or around the castle? I’d do a photoshop mockup of this if only I had the time for it. The color correction already was a great starting point, at least for those of us that want to improve the Mustafar scene.

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#1346404
Topic
Clone Wars prolog- Begun the Clone War Has (Help request)
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This sounds great! The first half of the show hardly contradicts anything seen in TCW (besides the Jedi interceptor showing up earlier) so it would fit nicely in a saga marathon.

Just being curious, are you keeping the first battle with General Grievous? I think some parts of it could be trimmed to better fit with the rest of the saga, but it would be nice to include this scene considering Grievous appears from nowhere in TCW (and the fact that the modern canon has sort of acknowledged that battle as having happened).

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#1346324
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant
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Hal 9000 said:

Hmmm… if Kijimi isn’t destroyed, could it feature in the mini-montage of Star Destroyers going down instead of Jakku?

Coruscant > Cloud City > Kijimi

You’d have a planet introduced in the first film of the first trilogy, second film of the second trilogy, and third film of the third trilogy.”

“Happy.”

Now that you mention it, it could be cool to have Kijimi instead of Jakku at the end. Is there any establishing shot of Kijimi that could work in that case?

That way the montage would feel more cathartic; Jakku is somewhat meh since most of its inhabitants we knew in TFA were assholes (save for the villagers from the beginning, but they are dead), but in the case of Kijimi, the audience knows this world is the home of Zorii, Babu Frik and John Williams, besides the planet was shown to be brutally oppressed and patrolled by the First Order in the middle act. Planet saved!

Shifting the topic to the Mustafar beginning, I like how the sequence plays out. Maybe that shot where the jet troopers are in the sky could go, but the rest of the Battlefront II footage looks fine (how could one make the videogame cutscenes look less “clean”?).

I agree TIE fighters would make for a nice addition to the castle shot. It’s a good way to disguise the fact that is a Rogue One mirrored/recolored take. Bonus points if somehow Kylo’s shuttle or TIE Whisper could be added.

Also I forgot how good Dom’s repurposed vision scene was. I wouldn’t mind if we keep it there instead of moving Vader’s helmet to the beginning.

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#1346181
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant
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Movies Remastered said:

I really wanted to cut that scene but it wouldn’t work with the edits I’m doing. It’s frustrating to leave it but the transition just doesn’t work at all.

That Stormtrooper footage it’s excellent!

I’ve just finished my Mustafa clip thanks to so many people for working so hard on this footage.
Absolutely buzzing!

Are you talking about cutting the lightspeed skipping scene right? Why wouldn’t it work to delete it in your edit?

I’d really like to watch your version of the Mustafar sequence.

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#1346163
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant
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DominicCobb said:

I don’t think it’d really work to have a vision and then Mustafar, probably too chaotic. If one was to put the Vader’s helmet scene first I’d think a voice or voices would be more appropriate.

Yeah, I think you’re right. That way the “I’ve been every voice inside your head” line pays off.

In the theatrical version it felt a bit weird the first time, since we had never actually heard Vader’s voice coming from the helmet in TFA.

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#1346147
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant
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Just a small detail regarding the TIE Fighters; the First Order special force TIEs (like the one Poe and Finn stole in TFA) are supposed to have been upgraded with hyperdrives (explaining why Finn meant to leave the system instead of landing on Jakku). The TIEs that pursue the Millennium Falcon during the lightspeed skipping scene are also Special force TIEs. But since everyone is cutting the lightspeed skipping sequence, I believe the best course of action would be replace Kylo’s TIE on Exegol with either a TIE Advanced (Vader was stationed in the DS II, so why not?) or a Lambda shuttle.

I love that repurposed Stormtrooper footage! Where does the original come from? Battlefront II?

I second the general idea of:

  • Mustafar space shot
  • Vader’s helmet / Vision
  • establishing Fortress Vader panning shot (recoloured/edited)
  • poppasketti’s TIE flyover shot.
  • Stormtroopers landing on Mustafar
  • Kylo slaughters the Cultists
  • Kylo hears “Find me” coming from the Wayfinder.
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#1345351
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant
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kewlfish said:

Thanks! I think you’re right, after watching through it a couple times I think that Vader’s Castle would need to be almost like a flash, and maybe the Wayfinder or the box should be shown right after. Then progress to showing the Luke and Han visions.

Yesterday I watched Rogue One and realized that at the scene in Vader’s castle, just after it cuts from Vader’s bacta tank, it shows the ceiling of the room and there’s a triangular shape very similar to the Sith Wayfinder.

https://youtu.be/yHeNsynAMgE (at 1:10)

Likely just a coincidence (Sith are frequently associated with triangular/pyramidal shapes, such as their holocrons or temples), but maybe a version of that shot (reframed or edited, since Krennic’s shadow shows in the lower right corner) could be repurposed for Kylo’s vision along with the backview of the castle (at 0:24), while leaving the panning exterior shot of the fortress for the actual Mustafar sequence.

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#1345275
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant
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kewlfish said:

jarbear said:

The mirroring of the Vader Castle does make it seem like its a new shot (along with the removal of Krennic’s ship)

What can also help sell that too is if you don’t use the “whole” clip.

Here is a quick and dirty rough idea if moving the Vader helmet scene towards the beginning. As for the middle of it, I didn’t do anything to it since I wanted to show just the “kylo” footage with Vader’s helmet. Obviously the idea would be to alter all that flashback/imagery/sounds/etc. to fit more on the lines of “Vader” guiding Kylo.

Just super rough idea playing with a bit this afternoon:

https://vimeo.com/418658350
fanedit

After seeing your take on this I got inspired and tried my hand at it. I added Vader’s castle here, as well as replacing Luke from Ach To with Luke from Crait. I think it turned out relatively nicely.

https://vimeo.com/418767730
Password - Ascendant

Wow, this is seamless! Great job!

The only thing I might change would be having a more static shot of Fortress Vader in the vision itself (namely the shot from Rogue One where Krennic’s ship lands in the platform, with the ship removed). That way one could save the Mustafar/castle establishing shot for later, after Kylo finishes communing with the helmet. That way it would make the transition to the surface less abrupt. But so far it works great. Definitely a fan of moving the helmet scene to the beginning.

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#1345263
Topic
TROS Edit Opinions Poll - RESULTS &amp; ANALYSIS
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raphdude said:

Interesting poll! I’m sorry I missed out on it. Just curious, are you considering an option of undoing some of the female first order trooper voices/screams and making them male? I have a feeling Kathleen Kennedy sat there in the editing room and said, “Make that one a whammen, whammen, whammen here, put a whammen there, whammen soldier, whammen soldier, wabbit season, wabbit season!” Whoops!

This is beyond meaningless. Even the Empire had quite a share of female stormtroopers and officers. Grow up.

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#1345095
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Return of the Jedi (My saga edit - V1 Released - <em>V2 in development</em>)
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Sorted opinions

Color Corrections
I love most, my favorite change remains the brighter greens for the Endor forest, makes it look much more lively.
The interiors of the Endor bunker could have more of a grey palette to match the Death Star.
I agree the X-Wing engines would look better with a pink color to resemble Rogue One.
The Endor shots from space are gorgeous. The space battle is much more visually striking now, with less of a
2D feeling for some of the backgrounds and surroundings in the original.
The added lightsiber glow in the test video looks fine, if a bit static (in the sense it doesn’t change positions when Vader moves, for example).

Shuttle Tydirium
The sun and the illumination look a lot more natural than in other versions, great job!
Maybe this issue is already present in the original film, but the scenes in the interior of the Tydirium seem to lack a bit of background sound ambience. Same with the scene after they land in Endor. Is that a result of isolating the dialogue?
I like the use of Padmé’s Ruminations but I think the build up to it could be a bit subtler. I was wondering if a small piece of that synthwave-sounding score from the penultimate episode of Clone Wars could serve as a bridge between the previous score and Padmé’s Ruminations, namely the bit where Vader first approaches Admiral Piett.

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#1344250
Topic
The Usual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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I’ve been only recently following these threads, so I haven’t catched up in all the ideas.

For those who are going the Ajan Kloss --> Naboo route, how do you think to accomplish it? I’ve already seen the shots Theed and Elder heads in the background and I believe they’re great. What’s next? Name-dropping the planet in a throwaway dialogue? Adding gungans/Naboo starfighters to the Resistance? Has anyone done tried color correction yet?

Maybe the background sound ambience could be changed in some outdoor scenes. Replacing the generic jungle noises for something like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-osyA0FiRLc

Greetings!

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#1344158
Topic
Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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jonh said:

force ghost prores…😃
blue version
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1q_8FwkUtd2XhWFOOTxi0va8S4Fbeqaoe
purple version
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1shPFW1thLwD37HQ2oeAcoa_wO-O5ujDm

This is magnificent. Absolute perfection. You’ve accomplished something that surpasses the usual scope of fan-edits!

I’ll take they’re not the definitive versions as the audio is out of sync in the last part. But in the visual department, they’re virtually flawless.