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#1440428
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The Last Jedi Expanded Edition by Jason Fry: The "Tragedy of Vader" Edit (WIP)
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TestingOutTheTest said:

Knight of Kalee said:

Regarding Jannah, I think it would be a bit of a pacing issue to introduce a seemingly random stormtrooper in the midst of the story in a way that could feel organic. Maybe a throwaway reference could work (a name drop for “TZ-1719” over comms).

You’re the guy who suggested readding the elevator scene with the troopers and Finn, where the trooper congradulates Finn. You even proposed having that same trooper be the first one to turn on Phasma if JJB adds “Phasma’s End” into the novel. The trooper could simply be changed to female, and we get to meet Jannah in TROS as usual but ties to this hypothetical whatever.

Yeah, that could work now that you say it. If JJB is willing to do this of course, because the conversation between “Jannah” and Finn would need a few trims and readjustments. What I was saying is that I don’t think it’s going to work is suddenly diving deep into the trooper’s backstory, motivation etc, as if the book was saying ‘Hey, this trooper’s gonna be relevant in the future!’. At most a small cue that hints at her survival (even if it was plausible some stormtroopers survived the Supremacy’s destruction, the deleted scene has Phasma finish all the troopers off before her own death).

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#1440417
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The Last Jedi Expanded Edition by Jason Fry: The "Tragedy of Vader" Edit (WIP)
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Yeah I think it would be a very jarring mood whiplash. As Jar Jar said, any vague suicidal thoughts would fit better for TROS where she carries way more guilt and weight in that story. It’s a sensible theme though, so I don’t think it should be gratituously included.

Regarding Jannah, I think it would be a bit of a pacing issue to introduce a seemingly random stormtrooper in the midst of the story in a way that could feel organic. Maybe a throwaway reference could work (a name drop for “TZ-1719” over comms).

Yet again I’ve encountered something that works spectacularly in text form but not so much in the actual film.

This surely has to do with the script’s tendency to overexplain everything in dialogue. Works great in written form but in film the overly wordy exposition comes across as clunky.

One of the issues with Snoke’s exposition in the scene is that doesn’t completely clarify if the Force bond between Kylo and Rey was indeed created by Snoke or if he’s lying. The fact that the bond persists after his death of course suggests the later, but your edit could make it more clear, and even tie the mind bridge to the Force dyad retcon in TROS.

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#1440311
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The Last Jedi Expanded Edition by Jason Fry: The "Tragedy of Vader" Edit (WIP)
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Jar Jar Bricks said:

Here’s a (possibly?) controversial decision I’ve made. I’m keeping the Leia flying into the Raddus stuff. Poppa’s edit removes it, but I really think it works quite well in novel form for the following reasons:

  1. There are multiple pages beforehand devoted to what Leia learned from Luke about the Force in her training.
  2. No wonky CGI effects that make her look like Mary Poppins.
  3. Descriptions of what’s going on with her body while she’s out in space which imo makes things more believable.

Honestly, the only reason I don’t like Leia flying in the movie is because of the CGI. I don’t dislike the idea in general (especially since it’s built up in the novel), so I think this works fine.

I second this decision. Cool concept on paper, bad execution on screen.

Leia’s brush with death also works as a precedent for her ailing strength and eventual passing in Episode IX.

The problem I had with that elevator scene before is that all troopers at this point should know about the infamous FN-2187. And the novelization explains that the walls of the elevator would cause a ricochet effect killing everyone inside. So it makes sense they would receive orders (muffled by their helmets) to hold off their attack until later.

Maybe you could reframe the elevator scene to make it more serious. Show that Finn feels recognized but for whatever reason the troopers don’t shoot him on the spot. Maybe they could even be the ones who contact Phasma, it might feel less contrived than the theatrical where they are caught by a random BB unit.

Also I don’t think Jannah should be there, it would only bring unneeded complications to the scene. If there´s any TROS characters that should be included or mentioned it’d be Pryde or the Knights of Ren.

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#1440185
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The Last Jedi Expanded Edition by Jason Fry: The "Tragedy of Vader" Edit (WIP)
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Yeah I think the extended version of the Phasma duel should be included to better justify its own existence. As you say, it very well could lead into the mass desertion themes of your TROS book edit.

Maybe you could omit some minor details, like Phasma’s hand getting choped off or the whoop-hog line. But overall the scene should be there, with greater focus on the stormtroopers’s choice.

I haven’t read the TLJ novel, so is there the deleted scene with Finn and co. meet some stormtroopers inside an elevator? In that case you could tie both moments together, maybe having the trooper that talks with Finn being the first to point his gun at Phasma.

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#1440182
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The Kenobi <s>Movie</s> Show
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Really hyped if Kang is playing an Inquisitor but hopefully not the Fifth one, his role in Rebels was fairly weak and a downgrade from the Grand Inquisitor from S1. Of course this can change for the better and they make him a compelling character here as with a lot of other SW characters that have been retroactively improved.

However what I’m really interested in is the prospect of the story not being completely set on Tatooine.

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#1440110
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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CamSMurph said:

omnimuffin said:

CamSMurph said:

Hey HAL, I was just wondering — why did you change Ben’s mode of transport in the climax? 🤔

Oh, I can answer that! Previous stuff has established that standard TIE fighters don’t have hyperdrives.

The supplimental stuff retcons that this specific TIE is an experimental TIE scout with a hyperdrive, but that’s clearly a post-facto rationalization.

Hence, swapping it for something that DOES have a hyperdrive.

I see. But I don’t think the original film explains how he got off the Death Star ruins. 🤨

Nope it doesn’t. So Vader’s TIE / the Lambda shuttle are good balance points between plausible (both with hyperdrive and could be found among the wreckage) and recognizable (for the shot to retain its symbolism).

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#1439832
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The Last Jedi: Stoic Edition (WIP)
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This edit has me really intrigued. One of the aspects I don’t really like about TLJ is its tricky relationship with the “show, don’t tell”. At some points it gives you sequences with interesting and bold storytelling decisions (like the Rashomon flashbacks) and then there’s others where there’s dialogue and editing choices that spoonfeed everything, like Rey’s experience at the vision, where we hear her voiceover explanation at the very same time we are watching it, and it makes it feel cheaper as a result.

TLJ has good themes, and I think they can really benefit from a more concise, focused approach. Looking forward to this and I hope to apply in an eventual edit of mine some of the more original changes you’re making (like having DJ be the Master Codebreaker).

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#1439092
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<strong>Star Wars: The Bad Batch</strong> (animated series) - a general discussion thread - * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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Yeah I’m in no way using filler as in a negative sense per se. I actually have kind of a soft spot for slower-paced episodes, I defended the third episode of Loki when the rest of my family didn’t like it for the very same reason.

Indeed the more negative association to “filler” episodes is a more recent issue, given that as audiences we’ve grown more accustomed to modern TV series that keep the plot going in every episode. Because of this any chapter that doesn’t significantly move the plot along or doesn’t land a huge bombshell revelation at the end often stands out from the rest and is tipically dismissed as pointless or filler.

I liked the anthology feel of TCW and Rebels that was kind of evoked by The Mandalorian and I’m glad it has been recovered in some way by the Bad Batch.

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#1439086
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<strong>Star Wars: The Bad Batch</strong> (animated series) - a general discussion thread - * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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The first thing we agreed with my family was: “This was kind of filler, but great filler”. Then I thought this isn’t exactly filler and got the exact same idea of having a couple of episodes without the main Bad Batch at the forefront of the story. They leaned this way with the episode of Omega and Bane, and now we have an episode that’s fully from the POV of new characters with a bit of Crosshair added in, which I thought was a welcome change of pace. The episode also delivered fully in regards to seeing the rise of the Empire from the perspective of the common folk.

Also I liked the detail of the clone commander that was close to the Syndullas (surely a veteran of the battle of Ryloth in TCW) and the fact he isn’t that bent on following orders, despite other episodes suggesting most clones had lost any semblance of individuality and creative thinking after the activation of Order 66. Could he even turn against his Imperial superiors, setting a precedent for the eventual dropout of other clones?

The only downside would be the death of Orn Free Taa, despite his role in the Lords of the Sith novel.

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#1438618
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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I believe the trio of Mandalorian fighters should have lore-accurate sounds as they flyby. Fortunately the Razor Crest from the Mando series sounds almost the same, so the audio could be sampled from there.

https://youtu.be/CBtWXlQzWJg (0:40 and 1:00)

https://youtu.be/xlUF3NS5H8I?t=150 (Mandalorian scene for comparison)

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#1438565
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The Last Jedi Expanded Edition by Jason Fry: The &quot;Tragedy of Vader&quot; Edit (WIP)
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Jar Jar Bricks said:

Huh, I must have not understood you correctly in one of your other posts from some time ago. I’ll see about reverting it back. Any other suggestions?

Maybe not really reverting it but finding a new place for the original line? To suggest Rey wants to find her self-worth/place in the story, and also that she means to achieve that by following Luke.

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#1438564
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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TestingOutTheTest said:

Speaking of “She’ll never be a Jedi”, is it possible to add “any longer” to that? Because in the movie she already is a Jedi.

I assumed he meant she wouldn’t ever reach her full Jedi knight status and potential. Like when Yoda tells Luke that he has to fight Vader to cement himself as a Jedi.

Besides as Hal said “She’ll never be a Jedi” retroactively contributes to the payoff of the “I’m a Jedi” line change.

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#1438272
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<strong>Star Wars: The Bad Batch</strong> (animated series) - a general discussion thread - * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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jedi_bendu said:

Nothing much to discuss about that episode. Another very standalone one and a change of pace. Needed more character development or conflict I think, but I still really enjoyed it and loved seeing the Empire use iconography of the Republic - like V-wings and AT-TEs, as well as of course clone troopers. Makes me wonder if we’ll see one of those repainted venators this series. I really hope so.

Yeah, I was intrigued by Echo’s initial unwillingness to the notion of helping Separatists but in the end it didn’t amount to much.

On the other hand I really liked to see Raxus again and was glad that they addressed what happened with the former Separatists. Omega’s interactions with Cid and her natural talent for tactics and dejarik was also a highlight for me.

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#1437946
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I abhor the &quot;X undoes Y's accomplishments&quot; criticism so much.
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Servii said:

Artan42 said:

Servii said:

TestingOutTheTest said:

You see it be used against the sequel trilogy, especially The Force Awakens and The Rise of Skywalker. Even Palpatine’s return is criticized for “undoing the Chosen One accomplishment”… especially when these people are well-aware that Anakin only killed Palps specifically to save Luke.

What people don’t understand is that everything is temporary. What people think is that the victory of the OT only matters if it lasts forever.

The victory of the OT allowed for galactic peace for three decades. People were born and lived in peace because of the achievements of the OT. You need to come to terms with the temporarily of reality. Nothing ever lasts forever and thinking anything will… sets you up for sadness and anger.

Thoughts?

That may be how real life works, but Star Wars isn’t real life. It’s a fantasy setting. And Anakin killing the Emperor was meant by Lucas (at least retroactively) to be an act of cosmic significance. It was the destruction of the Sith and the restoration of balance to the Force.

Also, it wasn’t exactly 30 years of peace when the New Republic was embarrassingly corrupt and incompetent, and the new Jedi Order failed to get off the ground, and the main heroes of the OT all ended up failing at life and becoming estranged from on another.

That real-world cynicism has no place in Star Wars.

True, which is why the PT is an example of a perfect democracy where a suitable leader was elected and didn’t plunge the galaxy into a decades long civil war where every system was under the direct control of the leaders personal army and the main bad guy was a failed main character who killed both of the other two main characters.

Thank the maker that SW has never used real life cynicism prior to TFA.

The Old Republic only became corrupt and fell due to decades of Sith subversion. It didn’t fall apart for just mundane reasons like real-world governments often do. And the fall of Anakin is a melodramatic tragedy that, like Luke’s story in the OT, is based in mythical archetypes. That’s not George Lucas just going “Well, real life sucks, so I’ll make my world suck too, lol.” It’s meant to be loftier than that. The Prequels tell a tragic story, but that tragedy is deliberately softened because we know the OT exists and that the good guys will win in the end. You can have low points in a story, but that doesn’t equate to cynicism.

The Republic was failing, though. Palpatine was smart enough to seize its pre-existing weakness to serve his own purposes.

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#1437836
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The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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CaptainFaraday said:

I like that the prequels gave Yoda of all people a character arc. He goes from an army general yelling “Around the survivors a perimeter create!” to “Wars not make one great!” in the OT after realising he and the Jedi failed.

Yeah. Probably unintended but a nice side effect I guess. I like to reinterpret Yoda on the basis of the old Order’s shortcomings.

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#1437386
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<strong>Star Wars: The Bad Batch</strong> (animated series) - a general discussion thread - * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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ZkinandBonez said:

It’s interesting how this episode expanded (to my knowledge anyway) how exactly Boba is a clone of Jango. I always took the “no accelerated aging” line from AOTC quite literally, assuming he was the exact same as the other clones just slow-growing, but now it seems that Boba and Omega are basically test-tube offspring with a single genetic ‘parent’. So basically their more akin to real-life cloning while the “regs” are carbon copies of Jango.

Actually you weren’t that far in the first place. Basically all the Fett clones share the same principle (test-tube offspring with the surrogate matrix being a machine rather than a living being), with the difference that regs were also further modified to be more obedient and downplay Jango’s aggresive tendencies. Boba and Omega (possibly excluding whatever mutation made Omega biologically female), are the genetically closest to Jango due to not having other modifications to their genotype and therefore the closest to being his actual “children”.

JackNapier said:

We also now have the only moral Kaminoan.

If you’re referring to Nala Se I’d say she stands on a fairly grey moral ground after what she did in TCW.

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#1437266
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Cassian Andor - Live-Action Series
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CarboniteSolo said:

Mocata said:

I think Bestine was a town on Tatooine on the way to Mos Eisley. Dantooine was more dry in the old EU but they could change that in post. Either way these locations with Turbo Lasers are pretty cool.

Bestine is definitely a planet. It’s been referenced before in an animated series, I can’t remember which one.

Clone Wars, the Republic had a fleet there.

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#1437255
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<strong>Star Wars: The Bad Batch</strong> (animated series) - a general discussion thread - * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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The abandoned cloning facility has become of my favorite BB locations so far, not only because of its creepy atmosphere but also by expanding on the lore of the Kaminoans. Could it have been a place for some of their more bioethically-questionable experiments? The sight of the Kaminoan clones/mutants is pure nightmare fuel (I second the allusion to Close Encounters). Also I can’t help but notice the similarity between the Kaminoan growing vats and those on Exegol. Maybe Palpatine, despite having no more use for a clone army, still required the Kaminoan facilities and assets for his greater-scope contingency plan.

Though I crave for more Batch development (particularly for Echo and Tech), I really liked how they took a backseat and let Omega be the star for this one. She was smart and resourceful, having come a long way from her beginnings, and they did a good job tackling her inner fears of being no more than a Kaminoan pet project.

Nice small wink to the Legends fans with Boba’s original codename being “Alpha”. This looks as further evidence he may cross paths with his “sister” at some point in the future (“Alpha” and “Omega”, anyone?).

On the topic of Boba, so did anyone notice the metal plate on the back of Cad Bane’s head? Could it mean his standoff with Boba already happened? 😦

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#1437014
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High Republic setting general discussion
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A lot of the criticism comes from the same portion of the fandom that believes there’s an executive civil war at Lucasfilm between Kennedy and Favreau/Filoni. So honestly, pure BS.

Most of the toxicity has been directed to the fact it’s the High and not the Old Republic, the so-called woke propaganda, particularly a bunch of queer characters (a pair of trans Jedi twins have been mocked the most) and things they call “unoriginal” like the character Geode (the living, sentient rock) and a starship named Vessel.

I really liked Light of the Jedi and I’m intrigued to know more about a thriving Republic and Jedi Order. The creative group behind it includes some of the best authors from the new canon (Charles Soule’s comics and Claudia Gray’s novels rank among my favorite pieces of SW media). And I can’t wait to know more about The Acolyte. Just hope the fandom menace doesn’t derail the project, it would be such a shame.

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#1436433
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The Last Jedi Expanded Edition by Jason Fry: The &quot;Tragedy of Vader&quot; Edit (WIP)
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Jar Jar Bricks said:

Here’s a (possibly?) controversial decision I’ve made. I’m keeping the Leia flying into the Raddus stuff. Poppa’s edit removes it, but I really think it works quite well in novel form for the following reasons:

  1. There are multiple pages beforehand devoted to what Leia learned from Luke about the Force in her training.
  2. No wonky CGI effects that make her look like Mary Poppins.
  3. Descriptions of what’s going on with her body while she’s out in space which imo makes things more believable.

Honestly, the only reason I don’t like Leia flying in the movie is because of the CGI. I don’t dislike the idea in general (especially since it’s built up in the novel), so I think this works fine.

I agree with your approach. Leia’s survival in space is good on paper, with a rather questionable execution (between the buildup, CGI and the cinematography). Its exclusion from movie fan-edits makes sense but it would work nicely if kept in the book.

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#1436322
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<strong>Star Wars: The Bad Batch</strong> (animated series) - a general discussion thread - * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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jedi_bendu said:

I think this was my favourite Bad Batch episode yet. So much of it was tense and there were a whole LOAD of fantastic scenes, like Crosshair’s first standoff with the Batch in the artillery chamber, igniting the engine, and the very western style shootout with Bane. Those were amazing. I love TCW and Rebels, but in both of them, regular separatist droids and stormtroopers respectively rarely feel like a threat. One of the highlights of TBB so far - and this episode in particular - is that the Empire (or at least, Crosshair) is really on top of things. The Batch were being blocked at every turn until finally they managed to turn Crosshair’s strategy against him.

Omega being captured is another similarity with Mando to add to the list, but I genuinely feel it was done better here than it was in chapter 14. I felt more. And I can’t wait for next week.

I have preferred TBB over Mandalorian regarding both the menace value of the Empire and the kidnapping. The Stormtroopers are so useless in Mando they look almost lifted from Rebels (particularly in S2), and Omega’s capture felt less contrived than Grogu’s.

This is also one of my favorite episodes so far along with the pilot, chapter 3 and chapter 7. It was very pleasant to see Crosshair again, and Cad Bane showing up is a welcome fan-service.

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#1435830
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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sherlockpotter said:

Hmm, yeah, that’s true. Good catch. Maybe I’ll just try and change 3PO’s definition of Exegol then. Something like “Legend describes it as a lost temple to the Sith,” instead of “Legend describes it as the hidden world of the Sith.”

Yes please! This line always bothered me for that very same reason.