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Are there any reliable news articles about the Russian spies that were arrested and jailed? I’ve have seen a few brief mentions that the 2nd FSB agent arrested may have been a U.S. asset.
Having coffee at the White House looks fun. I can see why people might want to do it.
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Which parts are supposition?
I read the whole thing top to bottom twice in an attempt to figure that out. Everything is either uncontroversial or has well-documented sourcing.
The only thing I can see setting off anyone is this:
Allegations by U.S. intelligence agencies that Russian actors were behind hacking of senior Democratic Party operatives and spreading disinformation linger over Trump’s young presidency. Democrats charge the Russians wanted to tilt the election toward the Republican, a claim dismissed by Trump. Russia denies the allegations.
It’s treated like a he-said, she-said. You’ve got unnamed intelligence agencies and Democrats on one side, and Trump and the Russians on the other. Equally weighted, fair and balanced. They didn’t name all 17 of the intelligence agencies, to avoid tipping the field. Reuters is usually pretty conservative, but this is only a slight pro-Trump tilt.
That would be it. The DNC still has not given it’s servers to the FBI to examine (and they asked) so I am unsure as to how they can actually keep making the claim. There is no fool proof evidence from anyone at this juncture that can accurately prove or disprove that Trump is a liar and that the Russians lost Clinton the election. None.
So you found one thing in that entire (rather long) article, and it’s something that gives the viewpoint of both (all three, including Russia) sides, and that means the article is a mish-mash of supposition and fact?
What?
This is why I should know better. I really should go back to ignoring you 100% of the time, it would be best for both of us I’m sure.
Why can’t you ever just politely accept the fact that not everyone shares your views and opinions and that it is okay for them to do so? This is why we have fought so much. You never want to be wrong, ever, and I can’t imagine you’re that omnipotent since you have a family.
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None of this makes a lick of sense, as usual. Especially the part about my family, I have no idea what the fuck that is supposed to mean.
Before you were banned I was doing a pretty good job of ignoring you and I was a much happier person for it. I made the mistake of responding to your posts again after you came back, so the fault is mine. Now I fix that mistake by no longer responding to anything you say anymore. It’s completely pointless and life is too short.
LOL. Be well Frink. Life is too short and we all have real lives outside of here that take precedence over anything else. Your indignant opinion of me is most certainly a problem but you’re right, it’s your problem. If ignoring me makes you feel better than I am happy to encourage it. I don’t ever want to wish harm on anyone, including you, it is not how I was raised nor is it how I raise my daughter.
Take care sir, I appreciate what little time you actually gave, I know it was hard.
Cheers
Thanks to oojason for the suggestion. This article is very insightful.
Which parts are supposition?
I read the whole thing top to bottom twice in an attempt to figure that out. Everything is either uncontroversial or has well-documented sourcing.
The only thing I can see setting off anyone is this:
Allegations by U.S. intelligence agencies that Russian actors were behind hacking of senior Democratic Party operatives and spreading disinformation linger over Trump’s young presidency. Democrats charge the Russians wanted to tilt the election toward the Republican, a claim dismissed by Trump. Russia denies the allegations.
It’s treated like a he-said, she-said. You’ve got unnamed intelligence agencies and Democrats on one side, and Trump and the Russians on the other. Equally weighted, fair and balanced. They didn’t name all 17 of the intelligence agencies, to avoid tipping the field. Reuters is usually pretty conservative, but this is only a slight pro-Trump tilt.
That would be it. The DNC still has not given it’s servers to the FBI to examine (and they asked) so I am unsure as to how they can actually keep making the claim. There is no fool proof evidence from anyone at this juncture that can accurately prove or disprove that Trump is a liar and that the Russians lost Clinton the election. None.
So you found one thing in that entire (rather long) article, and it’s something that gives the viewpoint of both (all three, including Russia) sides, and that means the article is a mish-mash of supposition and fact?
What?
This is why I should know better. I really should go back to ignoring you 100% of the time, it would be best for both of us I’m sure.
Why can’t you ever just politely accept the fact that not everyone shares your views and opinions and that it is okay for them to do so? This is why we have fought so much. You never want to be wrong, ever, and I can’t imagine you’re that omnipotent since you have a family.
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Which parts are supposition?
I read the whole thing top to bottom twice in an attempt to figure that out. Everything is either uncontroversial or has well-documented sourcing.
The only thing I can see setting off anyone is this:
Allegations by U.S. intelligence agencies that Russian actors were behind hacking of senior Democratic Party operatives and spreading disinformation linger over Trump’s young presidency. Democrats charge the Russians wanted to tilt the election toward the Republican, a claim dismissed by Trump. Russia denies the allegations.
It’s treated like a he-said, she-said. You’ve got unnamed intelligence agencies and Democrats on one side, and Trump and the Russians on the other. Equally weighted, fair and balanced. They didn’t name all 17 of the intelligence agencies, to avoid tipping the field. Reuters is usually pretty conservative, but this is only a slight pro-Trump tilt.
That would be it. The DNC still has not given it’s servers to the FBI to examine (and they asked) so I am unsure as to how they can actually keep making the claim. There is no fool proof evidence from anyone at this juncture that can accurately prove or disprove that Trump is a liar and that the Russians lost Clinton the election. None.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-idUSKBN16Y1H6
A Russian bank under U.S. economic sanctions over Russia’s incursion into Ukraine disclosed on Monday that its executives had met Jared Kushner, President Donald Trump’s son-in-law and a top White House adviser, during the 2016 election campaign.
Kushner, 36, married to Trump’s daughter Ivanka Trump, has agreed to testify to a Senate committee investigating whether Russia tried to interfere in the election.
Allegations by U.S. intelligence agencies that Russian actors were behind hacking of senior Democratic Party operatives and spreading disinformation linger over Trump’s young presidency. Democrats charge the Russians wanted to tilt the election toward the Republican, a claim dismissed by Trump. Russia denies the allegations.
But there has been no doubt that the Russian ambassador to the United States, Sergei Kislyak, developed contacts among the Trump team. Trump’s first national security adviser, Michael Flynn, was forced to resign on Feb. 13 after revelations that he had discussed U.S. sanctions on Russia with Kislyak and misled Vice President Mike Pence about the conversations.
This article seems to be a mish-mash of supposition and some facts, and it’s Reuters. I’ve been watching the C-span coverage of the hearings and the daily Press briefings mostly. Counterpropa.com is also a very fair on-line publication.
Ok.
Come on now, I was fair, at least I didn’t trash it, LOL.
“A mish-mash of supposition and some facts” isn’t trashing it?
Ok.
Nope. I could have said it was all trash and fake. Look, I’m trying so at least give me credit for doing so.
To me, it says that society still has a ways to go, when it comes to eradicating this conception as a way out. It hurts so many people, damages some irrevocably, but there are alternatives out there to help folks heal.
My sincerest condolences on the passing of your classmate. This is not an easy issue to confront on any terms.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-idUSKBN16Y1H6
A Russian bank under U.S. economic sanctions over Russia’s incursion into Ukraine disclosed on Monday that its executives had met Jared Kushner, President Donald Trump’s son-in-law and a top White House adviser, during the 2016 election campaign.
Kushner, 36, married to Trump’s daughter Ivanka Trump, has agreed to testify to a Senate committee investigating whether Russia tried to interfere in the election.
Allegations by U.S. intelligence agencies that Russian actors were behind hacking of senior Democratic Party operatives and spreading disinformation linger over Trump’s young presidency. Democrats charge the Russians wanted to tilt the election toward the Republican, a claim dismissed by Trump. Russia denies the allegations.
But there has been no doubt that the Russian ambassador to the United States, Sergei Kislyak, developed contacts among the Trump team. Trump’s first national security adviser, Michael Flynn, was forced to resign on Feb. 13 after revelations that he had discussed U.S. sanctions on Russia with Kislyak and misled Vice President Mike Pence about the conversations.
This article seems to be a mish-mash of supposition and some facts, and it’s Reuters. I’ve been watching the C-span coverage of the hearings and the daily Press briefings mostly. Counterpropa.com is also a very fair on-line publication.
Ok.
Come on now, I was fair, at least I didn’t trash it, LOL.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-idUSKBN16Y1H6
A Russian bank under U.S. economic sanctions over Russia’s incursion into Ukraine disclosed on Monday that its executives had met Jared Kushner, President Donald Trump’s son-in-law and a top White House adviser, during the 2016 election campaign.
Kushner, 36, married to Trump’s daughter Ivanka Trump, has agreed to testify to a Senate committee investigating whether Russia tried to interfere in the election.
Allegations by U.S. intelligence agencies that Russian actors were behind hacking of senior Democratic Party operatives and spreading disinformation linger over Trump’s young presidency. Democrats charge the Russians wanted to tilt the election toward the Republican, a claim dismissed by Trump. Russia denies the allegations.
But there has been no doubt that the Russian ambassador to the United States, Sergei Kislyak, developed contacts among the Trump team. Trump’s first national security adviser, Michael Flynn, was forced to resign on Feb. 13 after revelations that he had discussed U.S. sanctions on Russia with Kislyak and misled Vice President Mike Pence about the conversations.
This article seems to be a mish-mash of supposition and some facts, and it’s Reuters. I’ve been watching the C-span coverage of the hearings and the daily Press briefings mostly. Couterpropa.com is also a very fair on-line publication.
I have to wonder why they went through all the trouble of hiding both their real location and owner. That’s not the sort of thing you do on accident when your web admin sets up your DNS name wrong. It takes a real professional effort to conceal it.
H.A. Goodman is the guy who I believe runs and owns the site. He may do it out of his home and doesn’t want to get hacked by those that don’t like him. He writes articles for a lot of other publications too.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-idUSKBN16Y1H6
A Russian bank under U.S. economic sanctions over Russia’s incursion into Ukraine disclosed on Monday that its executives had met Jared Kushner, President Donald Trump’s son-in-law and a top White House adviser, during the 2016 election campaign.
Kushner, 36, married to Trump’s daughter Ivanka Trump, has agreed to testify to a Senate committee investigating whether Russia tried to interfere in the election.
Allegations by U.S. intelligence agencies that Russian actors were behind hacking of senior Democratic Party operatives and spreading disinformation linger over Trump’s young presidency. Democrats charge the Russians wanted to tilt the election toward the Republican, a claim dismissed by Trump. Russia denies the allegations.
But there has been no doubt that the Russian ambassador to the United States, Sergei Kislyak, developed contacts among the Trump team. Trump’s first national security adviser, Michael Flynn, was forced to resign on Feb. 13 after revelations that he had discussed U.S. sanctions on Russia with Kislyak and misled Vice President Mike Pence about the conversations.
This article seems to be a mish-mash of supposition and some facts, and it’s Reuters. I’ve been watching the C-span coverage of the hearings and the daily Press briefings mostly. Counterpropa.com is also a very fair on-line publication.
I do understand that if we want fair journalism we have to look for it in every site. I mean, I think it really sucks that journalists just can’t do a better job, to keep their integrity should be important.
It’s a hard thing for me to accept considering all I want is the truth, not some right or left or backwards slanted and factless article. It’s so damn hard to find. Some of these news agencies used to be at the top of their game at one time. Now that everything is a ratings play most of the ones I used to respect I now wouldn’t ever use their printings for toilet paper or animal cage lining. I’m trying to be more open to things but it can end up being such a waste of time to sift through all the bullshit.
For future reference. Don’t threaten to report someone, just report them. Mods don’t see every little infraction around here. We’re not that omnipotent. And threatening to report, intentional or not, comes off like that one kid in elementary school that was forever going OOOOOOOH! I’m going to tell on youuuu! Don’t be that kid.
And unless you’re buying dinner and gas, keep out of the backseat. 😉
I forgot to say thank you for the clarification … so, thank you. And no, you’re still not getting gas money out of me for that delivery guy.
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It’s also important to keep in mind the difference between reporting and opinions. Fo attacked CNN as biased and inaccurate the other day, and if you’re watching a panel with people giving their opinion, yeah you’re gonna see both. But when you’re talking about a news story where CNN is simply reporting what a source told them, that’s a different animal.
It’s also a mistake to dismiss everything Fox News out of hand. For example, Fox News’ polling division is highly respected.
I saw this post coming from a mile away and that is why I didn’t respond earlier … let it go man … it was a white-washed article not the Bible, LOL.
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I’ve got a sour stomach. Pity me, guys.
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Didn’t really know where to put this but I just learned that a junior at our high school died unexpectedly. I didn’t know him very well but he seemed really nice. A lot of his friends on cross country had to leave the class room when the teacher told us. Damn, it’s so fucking depressing 😦
This made me briefly stop and reflect on the fragility and uncertainty of life. I’m a junior. This could happen to me or any of my friends at any time. If you don’t mind me asking (or if you even know, because I don’t know if you would know), what caused it?
This could happen to any of us at any time … and it is indeed a scary reality.
https://counterpropa.com/yes-cash-flowed-clinton-foundation-amid-u-s-russian-uranium-deal/
This one too.
https://counterpropa.com/obama-pro-russia-2008-2012-hillary-lost-1-2-billion-trump/
This is a nice article too.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-25/evidence-russia-hacked-dnc-collapsing
An interesting read. I’ll leave it here. You all can make up your own minds.
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Gustavo Arellano … it was my mistake. The question still stands though. I know nothing about Biddies and Bros.
Biddies? You still bad, I see.
Biddies and Bros? So is she complaining about good looking women and lesbians kicking their asses? I looked it up but but it was kinda hard to pin down exactly what she meant.
Any polite assistance would be appreciated.
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Am I going to be banned? If I am, will I be notified?
I am not trolling, I am seriously wondering if I’m going to be kicked out or not.
This is one of the only outlets I have left right now.
I don’t believe so. If you were, you would get a brief notification, and you would have gotten it by now.
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There’s also a lack of Godzilla discussion here too … damn it.
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For future reference. Don’t threaten to report someone, just report them. Mods don’t see every little infraction around here. We’re not that omnipotent. And threatening to report, intentional or not, comes off like that one kid in elementary school that was forever going OOOOOOOH! I’m going to tell on youuuu! Don’t be that kid.
And unless you’re buying dinner and gas, keep out of the backseat. 😉
Since you don’t live close to me I’ll have to paypal you for dinner but I’m not paying gas for the guy to deliver it, LOL.
Yet you were assuming Warbler’s motives all along to be ‘baiting’. You even posted some nonsense warning about being on the lookout for some underhanded scheming. You’re an interesting lad, my friend.
It is how “I” see it. I never said everyone should see it the way I do. This is exactly why I am trying to get the confusion cleared up. I did tell those two to watch themselves yes and I should have probably gone to pm with it instead. I can admit I’ve made mistakes. warbler could have taken his mission to pm as well.
