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#1245918
Topic
Is Kylo Ren a Good Villain?
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DominicCobb said:

Jeebus said:

I think he was a good villain in TFA, and a great villain in TLJ right up until Rey runs away from him and he takes over the First Order. Frankly, once it was clear that he wasn’t going to team up with Rey, I lost a lot of interest in the character. There was a real opportunity to develop Kylo’s character into something we’ve never seen before in having him team up with Rey and become something beyond just a Jedi or a Sith, but it just… didn’t happen. I don’t know if Johnson wasn’t confident enough to bring the story in that direction or what happened, but I definitely feel like it was a missed opportunity. And it’s certainly possible that Johnson never intended to do that with Kylo’s character at all, but I’d argue that if that’s the case, then maybe the idea just shouldn’t have been brought up in the first place. It seems like a really good way to set the audience up for disappointment and not much else.

Well I think the set up is quite necessary for what Johnson is going for. They have a chance to team up and both want to, but the reasons why they can’t is very telling for their characters and the direction they’re going in (not to mention the thematic thrust of the story).

I think you got a lot more out of the scene than I did. I’ll have to keep this in mind for the next time I watch TLJ, see how my perspective changes.

I’d say I’m apprehensive about the future of Kylo’s character. I’m sure he’ll still be an interesting enough character in the next movie, and there’s no doubt in my mind that he’ll be well-acted, but I fear he’ll never reach that height of “depth” again.

I don’t think the depth went anywhere. If anything there’s moreso than before. Kylo has a “resolve” at the end of TLJ and has become the Vader figure he alternately wanted to or didn’t want to be, but it’s all a sham. He still doesn’t know what he wants, he’s still just a tormented soul. At the end he’s essentially got a whole galaxy that’s his, but he’s clearly just as alone as ever and not any happier than before. In my mind, the fact that even after he’s yelled and screamed that he’ll “destroy” Rey he still looks at her hopefully in their final Force time shows that the “depth” in him is very much alive.

Good point, and you’re right, there’s definitely plenty of room for the character to grow. I hadn’t considered the possibility of the next movie exploring Kylo’s dissatisfaction with his newfound power, I kind of assumed he’d turn into just another bad guy. I guess I should have more faith in JJ.

All that said; in a vacuum where there’s no third movie, I still think the idea of Rey and Kylo teaming up could’ve been really interesting to explore.

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#1245629
Topic
Science Fiction or Space Fantasy - what is Star Wars
Time

OutboundFlight said:

yotsuya said:

OutboundFlight said:

“No magic involved”

What about the lightning? Or the backflips? Or the super sense allowing the Jedi to parry so easily?

And your point? Did you miss my references to characters from Star Trek which most people seem to think is indeed science fiction? If those things didn’t make Star Trek a fantasy then they don’t make Star Wars a fantasy.

Star Trek repeatedly explains all the fantastical stuff as hyper advanced technology. Theoretically, it could happen in our universe. Aliens probably exist in the endless universe, and who knows how advanced they are.

The Force, while explained as science in Ep 1, is still fantasy. It does not exist in our world.

Well said. It’s all about how things are presented.

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#1245439
Topic
Is Kylo Ren a Good Villain?
Time

I think he was a good villain in TFA, and a great villain in TLJ right up until Rey runs away from him and he takes over the First Order. Frankly, once it was clear that he wasn’t going to team up with Rey, I lost a lot of interest in the character. There was a real opportunity to develop Kylo’s character into something we’ve never seen before in having him team up with Rey and become something beyond just a Jedi or a Sith, but it just… didn’t happen. I don’t know if Johnson wasn’t confident enough to bring the story in that direction or what happened, but I definitely feel like it was a missed opportunity. And it’s certainly possible that Johnson never intended to do that with Kylo’s character at all, but I’d argue that if that’s the case, then maybe the idea just shouldn’t have been brought up in the first place. It seems like a really good way to set the audience up for disappointment and not much else.

I’d say I’m apprehensive about the future of Kylo’s character. I’m sure he’ll still be an interesting enough character in the next movie, and there’s no doubt in my mind that he’ll be well-acted, but I fear he’ll never reach that height of “depth” again.

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#1245293
Topic
Taking a stand against toxic fandom (and other )
Time

screams in the void said:

I wonder if some were in this very thread that seemed to come out of the woodwork , think I may have come across a few on Facebook as well …https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-wars-last-jedi-was-targeted-by-russian-trolls-study-says-1148475

Very interesting study. I encourage everyone to give it a look, it’s not long at all.

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#1236043
Topic
Is <em>Revenge of the Sith</em> the Best or Worst Prequel?
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chyron8472 said:

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

yotsuya said:

DominicCobb said:

yotsuya said:

I have just been revisiting the PT because I decided return to tackling them before trying TESB, ROTJ, or TFA. After watching them again I have to agree that ROTS is the most dramatic and is a great fast paced action film and tragedy. But I still feel that TPM got the universe right. Yes, we see the galaxy looking pretty good, but like fruit that is about to spoil, it looks good on the outside while hiding the rot on the inside. And the story goes where the characters are. The focus in the fall of the Republic so spending so much time on Coruscant makes sense.

I think one would argue though that the focus should not have been on the fall of the Republic, that should have merely been the backdrop to Anakin’s story. It isn’t quite in keeping with the other SW films to have galactic politics so far at the forefront of the story.

I disagree since the OT focused on the the rebellion against the Empire - something that is very much galactic politics.

Nope, that was merely the backdrop to the characters’ stories. We see more rebellion politics in Rogue One than we do in the entire OT put together (which isn’t saying much at all).

I disagree with respect to the PT, since the PT to a large degree was also Palpatine’s story, and so the galactic politics are the characters’ story. The Jedi order in the PT is also shown to be highly political, as such the politics are simply an integral part of the story told in the PT, in addition to being an integral part of Anakin’s personal history through his relationship with Palpatine.

But that’s the problem. The PT is Palpatine’s story when it should be Anakin’s. And the story should be about Anakin, Obi-Wan and Padme’s adventures amid the corrupt and crumbling Republic as it becomes (or moves to become) the Empire.

Anakin plays a role in Palpatine’s story in the PT when it should be the other way around.

Should it?

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#1230236
Topic
The Last Jedi: Rekindled (workprint 2 complete)
Time

poppasketti said:

Here’s a rough mockup of BB-8 running to the shuttle with Finn and Rose (updated in first post):
https://vimeo.com/282243295 (password: fanedit)

The rotoscoping is very rough, and I just threw on some sound effects that I could quickly find, but let me know whether you think the idea could work!

I think/hope that this change combined with the Finn/Rose deleted scene could be enough to cut Phasma fight and BB8 in walker without the scene feeling incomplete. The scene would now have urgency AND resolution.

That’s actually pretty convincing. The colors are a little off in the close up, but I think it’s pretty seamless in the wide shot. You’d have to be really looking to spot any problems.

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#1229147
Topic
The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
Time

I’m relying on Google Translate, so I may be wrong, but these appear to be dubbed.

Prequel Trilogy DVD set

Complete Saga Blu-Ray set

Here’s an English listing for that first link. I’m afraid no such thing exists for the second.

Apparently the Prequel Trilogy DVDs don’t work in US DVD players, since they’re “configured” for Japanese ones. I don’t think you’re in the US, but it’s something to consider. They still seem to work if played on a computer, though.

I don’t think you can get the audio tracks any other way, I’m afraid.

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#1227752
Topic
Random Thoughts
Time

TV’s Frink said:

Jeebus said:

TV’s Frink said:

Jeebus said:

TV’s Frink said:

Jeebus said:

TV’s Frink said:

chyron8472 said:

Handman said:

So traps are guys who dress like girls, but it’s crazy to think that makes them a transvestite? I never heard the “trap” term until four or five years ago.

Do you even know the difference?

Traps are guys who dress convincingly like attractive girls.

Wrong. “Traps” are not guys who dress convincingly like attractive girls. “Transvestites” are (typically) guys who dress like girls. “Traps” are derogatory terms for a subset of transvestites who apparently dress like attractive girls just to humiliate people like you who are uncomfortable around gay people.

You’re confusing the definitions.

How so?

Defamatory: “deceptive,” “fooling,” “pretending,” “posing,” “trap,” or “masquerading”
Gender identity is an integral part of a person’s identity. Do not characterize transgender people as “deceptive,” as “fooling” or “trapping” others, or as “pretending” to be, “posing” or “masquerading” as a man or a woman. Such descriptions are inaccurate, defamatory and insulting. (See “passing” and “stealth” as problematic terms above.)

JEDIT: That refers to transgenders rather than transvestites but I thought the concept (re: trap) was the same.

Yeah, that was my issue. Replace “transvestites” with “transgenders,” and that would pretty much fix it. But the bigger issue here is that I don’t think that’s the way Handman or Chyron are using the term.

But how can you use the term “trap” without it being derogatory?

The very idea that someone is transgender because they want to humiliate a straight man is offensive no matter what term is used anyway.

I agree, but not all definitions have to do with being transgender. Maybe they’re using it to refer to men that cosplay as female characters. The term sucks because every single website attempting to define it has a different definition, who knows what they got when they googled it.

Again, why would you be referring to cosplayers when you use the word “transvestite” in the comparison?

Unless Handman thinks of cosplayers as transvestites, which I highly doubt. But who the hell knows.

I assumed it was because they both dress up in women’s clothes (or something like that), but I can’t speak for him.

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#1227747
Topic
Random Thoughts
Time

TV’s Frink said:

Jeebus said:

TV’s Frink said:

Jeebus said:

TV’s Frink said:

chyron8472 said:

Handman said:

So traps are guys who dress like girls, but it’s crazy to think that makes them a transvestite? I never heard the “trap” term until four or five years ago.

Do you even know the difference?

Traps are guys who dress convincingly like attractive girls.

Wrong. “Traps” are not guys who dress convincingly like attractive girls. “Transvestites” are (typically) guys who dress like girls. “Traps” are derogatory terms for a subset of transvestites who apparently dress like attractive girls just to humiliate people like you who are uncomfortable around gay people.

You’re confusing the definitions.

How so?

Defamatory: “deceptive,” “fooling,” “pretending,” “posing,” “trap,” or “masquerading”
Gender identity is an integral part of a person’s identity. Do not characterize transgender people as “deceptive,” as “fooling” or “trapping” others, or as “pretending” to be, “posing” or “masquerading” as a man or a woman. Such descriptions are inaccurate, defamatory and insulting. (See “passing” and “stealth” as problematic terms above.)

JEDIT: That refers to transgenders rather than transvestites but I thought the concept (re: trap) was the same.

Yeah, that was my issue. Replace “transvestites” with “transgenders,” and that would pretty much fix it. But the bigger issue here is that I don’t think that’s the way Handman or Chyron are using the term.

But how can you use the term “trap” without it being derogatory?

The very idea that someone is transgender because they want to humiliate a straight man is offensive no matter what term is used anyway.

I agree, but not all definitions have to do with being transgender. Maybe they’re using it to refer to men that cosplay as female characters. The term sucks because every single website attempting to define it has a different definition, who knows what they got when they googled it.

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#1227740
Topic
Random Thoughts
Time

TV’s Frink said:

Jeebus said:

TV’s Frink said:

chyron8472 said:

Handman said:

So traps are guys who dress like girls, but it’s crazy to think that makes them a transvestite? I never heard the “trap” term until four or five years ago.

Do you even know the difference?

Traps are guys who dress convincingly like attractive girls.

Wrong. “Traps” are not guys who dress convincingly like attractive girls. “Transvestites” are (typically) guys who dress like girls. “Traps” are derogatory terms for a subset of transvestites who apparently dress like attractive girls just to humiliate people like you who are uncomfortable around gay people.

You’re confusing the definitions.

How so?

Defamatory: “deceptive,” “fooling,” “pretending,” “posing,” “trap,” or “masquerading”
Gender identity is an integral part of a person’s identity. Do not characterize transgender people as “deceptive,” as “fooling” or “trapping” others, or as “pretending” to be, “posing” or “masquerading” as a man or a woman. Such descriptions are inaccurate, defamatory and insulting. (See “passing” and “stealth” as problematic terms above.)

JEDIT: That refers to transgenders rather than transvestites but I thought the concept (re: trap) was the same.

Yeah, that was my issue. Replace “transvestites” with “transgenders,” and that would pretty much fix it. But the bigger issue here is that I don’t think that’s the way Handman or Chyron are using the term.

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#1227730
Topic
Random Thoughts
Time

TV’s Frink said:

chyron8472 said:

Handman said:

So traps are guys who dress like girls, but it’s crazy to think that makes them a transvestite? I never heard the “trap” term until four or five years ago.

Do you even know the difference?

Traps are guys who dress convincingly like attractive girls.

Wrong. “Traps” are not guys who dress convincingly like attractive girls. “Transvestites” are (typically) guys who dress like girls. “Traps” are derogatory terms for a subset of transvestites who apparently dress like attractive girls just to humiliate people like you who are uncomfortable around gay people.

You’re confusing the definitions.

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#1227718
Topic
Random Thoughts
Time

TV’s Frink said:

Jeebus said:

DominicCobb said:

Handman said:

Thanks for coming back to tell us off Frink. I honestly don’t see the problem.

So traps are guys who dress like girls, but it’s crazy to think that makes them a transvestite? I never heard the “trap” term until four or five years ago.

Do you even know the difference?

I’ll say first of all that I’ve never heard the term “trap” until now, though it seems to me like it’s not a term the people being described would use to call themselves. In which case I would think the “problem” would be rather obvious.

I’m not sure that I know what I’m talking about; but I’m going to jump in anyway. Many people do actually self-identify as “traps.” The term is used semi-frequently in the cosplay community; and, more often than not, it’s used affectionately. The term is also used to refer to androgynous characters in anime and manga, also usually used affectionately. However, the term is also sometimes used to refer to transwomen, and that is almost always seen as fucked up. Because of the three different definitions and connotations, it’s often hard to get a grasp on what exactly the term means.

You might want to go back and read Handman’s original post. It had nothing to do with cosplay or anime.

Handman said:

I don’t understand the difference between a trap and a transvestite.

I’d be lying if I said I know what’s going on 😉

But for real, it seemed to me that you and Handman are on different pages regarding the definition of the word “trap,” so I posted the above.

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#1227707
Topic
Random Thoughts
Time

DominicCobb said:

Handman said:

Thanks for coming back to tell us off Frink. I honestly don’t see the problem.

So traps are guys who dress like girls, but it’s crazy to think that makes them a transvestite? I never heard the “trap” term until four or five years ago.

Do you even know the difference?

I’ll say first of all that I’ve never heard the term “trap” until now, though it seems to me like it’s not a term the people being described would use to call themselves. In which case I would think the “problem” would be rather obvious.

I’m not sure that I know what I’m talking about; but I’m going to jump in anyway. Many people do actually self-identify as “traps.” The term is used semi-frequently in the cosplay community; and, more often than not, it’s used affectionately. In that context, see snooker’s definition. The term is also used to refer to androgynous characters in anime and manga, also usually used affectionately. However, the term is also sometimes used to refer to transwomen, and that is almost always seen as fucked up. Because of the three different definitions and connotations, it’s often hard to get a grasp on what exactly the term means.

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#1226626
Topic
Overnight Thread
Time

For the last couple days, I’ve had a strange problem where I start to fall asleep but I get very suddenly woken up by sounds that may or may not be a figment of my imagination. The sounds aren’t even loud or notable, it can be something as simple as the foundation of the building adjusting, or my dog moving around under the covers—at least, I think that’s what the sounds are. And that’s kind of the problem, I’m not sure what the sounds are. They certainly don’t seem like they’re coming from anything in my room or anywhere else in the building. They almost sound like they’re they’re coming from inside my head, like I’m imagining them. Maybe the sounds aren’t even what’s waking me up, they’re just two separate phenomenon that I’ve falsely combined into one. Either way, I’ve been woken up as I was close to falling asleep nearly 4 times now, and I’m getting sick of it.