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#1226626
Topic
Overnight Thread
Time

For the last couple days, I’ve had a strange problem where I start to fall asleep but I get very suddenly woken up by sounds that may or may not be a figment of my imagination. The sounds aren’t even loud or notable, it can be something as simple as the foundation of the building adjusting, or my dog moving around under the covers—at least, I think that’s what the sounds are. And that’s kind of the problem, I’m not sure what the sounds are. They certainly don’t seem like they’re coming from anything in my room or anywhere else in the building. They almost sound like they’re they’re coming from inside my head, like I’m imagining them. Maybe the sounds aren’t even what’s waking me up, they’re just two separate phenomenon that I’ve falsely combined into one. Either way, I’ve been woken up as I was close to falling asleep nearly 4 times now, and I’m getting sick of it.

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#1226476
Topic
Where does the US Democratic Party go from here?
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moviefreakedmind said:

Mrebo said:
I’ve seen no evidence that “vast majority of the country supports” progressive values, as mfm says.

I’m talking about common sense gun control, drug legalization, tuition-free college, universal healthcare, and the like.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/03/25/fox-news-poll-voters-favor-gun-measures-doubt-congress-will-act.html

https://theintercept.com/2017/09/21/free-college-tuition-republicans-bernie-sanders/

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#1223552
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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chyron8472 said:

Jeebus said:

chyron8472 said:

Jeebus said:

chyron8472 said:

Jeebus said:

chyron8472 said:

I’m fairly certain people in Europe conquered other people in Europe over the centuries, and I doubt many of the conquered over there get reparations for it. I know that sounds callous, but I still feel that way.

I don’t see how this is at all analogous.

It is analogous because, although it’s hard for people to “pull themselves up by their bootstraps”, to some degree it is necessary. If you want something bad enough, you need to fight for it. Having the government paying them does not necessarily ultimately lessen their suffering, but rather allows it to fester, because sometimes pain is necessary to affect change. Removing pain caused by injury does not necessarily help the injury to heal itself.

Let me rephrase my initial question. How is conquest analogous to racial discrimination and ethnic cleansing?

How is that question supposed to be any clearer?

Is it not?

I’m calling into question your comment about conquest in Europe, because I don’t see what European conquest has to do with what minorities in America experience. They seem to me like two completely different situations that are in no way comparable.

There aren’t minorities in Europe who suffer(ed) remotely similarly in comparison to what American minorities did/do?

Sure there are.

and Native Americans are still being affected by it today.

And financially compensating them in perpetuity is helping?

No, but putting some money into helping their communities become self-sufficient is.

A better analogy might be one of the various genocides that happened in Europe. I can certainly think of an example, a big glaring elephant in the room, and reparations were paid because of it.

You’re saying the Nazis exterminating Jewish European citizens is the same as

No, not the same, but certainly more comparable than simple conquest. Unless we’re thinking of ‘conquest’ differently. Do you have any examples of conquest in mind? Might help to clear the air here.

European colonists wholesale deciding they want more land and so took it brutally by force from the native people living here?

The colonists did a whole lot more than take land by force. Think massacres, torture, rape, re-education camps, and forced sterilization.

The Nazis didn’t expand across Europe to specifically take land from the Jews. They exterminated the Jews because they wanted to, not because the Jews were unfortunate enough to be in their way when they wanted something.

I don’t think intentions matter all that much here.

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#1223539
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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chyron8472 said:

Jeebus said:

chyron8472 said:

Jeebus said:

chyron8472 said:

I’m fairly certain people in Europe conquered other people in Europe over the centuries, and I doubt many of the conquered over there get reparations for it. I know that sounds callous, but I still feel that way.

I don’t see how this is at all analogous.

It is analogous because, although it’s hard for people to “pull themselves up by their bootstraps”, to some degree it is necessary. If you want something bad enough, you need to fight for it. Having the government paying them does not necessarily ultimately lessen their suffering, but rather allows it to fester, because sometimes pain is necessary to affect change. Removing pain caused by injury does not necessarily help the injury to heal itself.

Let me rephrase my initial question. How is conquest analogous to racial discrimination and ethnic cleansing?

How is that question supposed to be any clearer?

Is it not?

I’m calling into question your comment about conquest in Europe, because I don’t see what European conquest has to do with what minorities in America experience. They seem to me like two completely different situations that are in no way comparable.

I’m saying I don’t suffer from white guilt. And I gave an example of my not thinking the government giving money to a poor cultural demographic will help individuals in that demographic to improve their situation to a point where they don’t need it.

And your example was… European conquest. Right? I don’t see how that helps to illustrate that point at all.

The idea that it may not aid them to improve positively in the long term says to me that it’s not necessarily helpful.

Woah, woah, woah. Who said it won’t? That certainly sounds like a good idea to me.

The idea that other countries do not do this says to me that conquest does not necessarily warrant it.

So you’re comparing what happened to Natives here in America to conquest in Europe? I don’t see the comparison, and frankly, I think it trivializes what the Natives went through. What happened here was genocide, plain and simple, and Native Americans are still being affected by it today. A better analogy might be one of the various genocides that happened in Europe. I can certainly think of an example, a big glaring elephant in the room, and reparations were paid because of it.

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#1223532
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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chyron8472 said:

Jeebus said:

chyron8472 said:

I’m fairly certain people in Europe conquered other people in Europe over the centuries, and I doubt many of the conquered over there get reparations for it. I know that sounds callous, but I still feel that way.

I don’t see how this is at all analogous.

It is analogous because, although it’s hard for people to “pull themselves up by their bootstraps”, to some degree it is necessary. If you want something bad enough, you need to fight for it. Having the government paying them does not necessarily ultimately lessen their suffering, but rather allows it to fester, because sometimes pain is necessary to affect change. Removing pain caused by injury does not necessarily help the injury to heal itself.

Let me rephrase my initial question. How is conquest analogous to racial discrimination and ethnic cleansing?

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#1223525
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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I think some of this disagreement is coming from a misunderstanding as to what reparations would entail. This article goes over two schools of thought. I quoted the section more in line with what I envision when I think of reparations.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2014/05/reparations_should_be_paid_to_black_americans_here_is_how_america_should.html

On the other end is the policy approach. Instead of cash, the federal government would implement an agenda to tackle racial inequality at its roots. This agenda would focus on major areas of concern: housing, criminal justice, education, and income inequality. As for the policies themselves, they don’t require a ton of imagination. To break the ghettos and reduce the hyper-segregation of black life, the federal government would aggressively enforce the Fair Housing Act, with attacks on housing and lending discrimination, and punishment for communities that exclude low-income residents with exclusionary zoning.

What’s more, it would provide vouchers for those who want to move, subsidized mortgages for those who want to own, and huge investments in transportation infrastructure, to break urban and rural isolation and connect low-income blacks to jobs in wealthier, whiter areas.

On the education front, state governments could end education budgets based on local property taxes—which disadvantage poor communities and disproportionately hurt blacks—and the federal government could invest in school reconstruction, modernization, and vouchers—for parents who want their children in private schools—in addition to higher education subsidies for black Americans. These “in-kind” benefits have the virtue of freeing up disposable income, thus acting as de facto cash payments.

It almost goes without saying that this move for policy reparations would include an end to the war on drugs, an end to mass incarceration, and a national re-evaluation of police procedures to reduce racial profiling. And, looking forward, it could include progressive “baby bonds”—federally managed investment accounts with modest annual growth rates. At $60 billion a year, according to one proposal, this would help ameliorate wealth inequality for future generations.

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#1223496
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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chyron8472 said:

Mrebo said:

I must be blessed to not suffer any white male guilt.

To some degree, I genuinely feel that people need to be responsible for themselves and stop blaming the rest of society. For example, I understand that the colonists that appeared in America back in the day did horrible things to the Native Americans. I understand that much of the Native American population is poor. But at some point I really don’t see the value in the United States government giving reparations to them anymore.

The value is in helping disadvantaged groups get out of artificial poverty. It’s really hard for people to “pull themselves by their bootstraps” out of a hole that America dug and threw them into. You agree that Native Americans are not doing well right now, and I hope you can agree that it’s largely due to America’s past actions. Why prolong their suffering?

I’m fairly certain people in Europe conquered other people in Europe over the centuries, and I doubt many of the conquered over there get reparations for it. I know that sounds callous, but I still feel that way.

I don’t see how this is at all analogous.

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#1222442
Topic
Dom's Useless Prequel Edits
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Alright, so I finally had time to sit down and watch this. First of all, the video quality was great. It almost looks like you added film grain, but I could’ve just been imagining things. I also really love the color correction.

The shortening of the opening space battle was seamless.

I like the music you added for when the Anakin and Obi-wan land their fighters. My only complaint is that maybe it goes on a bit too long. The music keeps playing even after all the droids are dead and they’re just talking, which felt kind of weird. Still, I’d much rather have the music than not.

I like the music added for the “spring the trap” joke. Not sure if it’s a different piece of music, or just a continuation of the previous one, but it worked.

The music added when Anakin and Obi-Wan are captured by Grievous/when they fight the droids is good, and I love the way you edited Anakin’s joke.

Somehow, the change of music during the ship crashing sequence made the “we lost something” joke land.

I like the idea of moving the opera scene to where you did. Cutting right to Anakin sitting with Palpatine leaves the impression that maybe Anakin sought out Palpatine of his own volition, setting up their relationship a lot better. Putting the scene where you did also makes Palpatine’s arguments about the Jedi seem more convincing. We hear Palpatine’s side of the story before the Jedi’s, and that really works. Also, learning about Plagueis so early sets up Anakin’s motivations right from the get-go.

I feel like the movie kind of jumps around with all the scenes on Coruscant. It’s like one second Anakin’s here, the next second he’s somewhere else, then Obi-Wan is doing something, then we’re back to Anakin; but I suppose that’s not really a problem with the edit, that’s just how the movie is, and that can’t be fixed short of filming new material.

Not sure how to feel about the music during the scene where Anakin and Padme talk about what’s happening to the Republic. On one hand, it felt a little out of place, especially towards the end of the scene where they’re hugging as the music gets louder and more intense. On the other hand, I kind of like what it represents. It sounds fascist, militaristic. Hearing that theme as Anakin rejects Padme’s pleas for peace and diplomacy gives the impression that Anakin is actually on board with how Palpatine is running things. It feels like we’re seeing a side of Anakin that we haven’t really seen since he advocated for dictatorships in AotC. I also like that the next scene is Anakin telling the council that Palpatine requested he be the one to go after Grievous, lending itself to the idea that Anakin’s loyalties lie more with the Chancellor than with the Jedi.

What you did with the march on the Jedi temple and Order 66 was great.

Something weird happens with the audio at 1:41:31. It’s like the audio in the left ear/channel gets a lot louder for a second, then fixes itself.

Overall, I really enjoyed the edit.

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#1222372
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Warbler said:

chyron8472 said:

Warbler said:

I implore others to not just listen to Mfm, and actually watch the videos I linked to and then see what you think of Mike The Cop.

I’m sorry, but I agree with mfm here. I don’t have the time, and I really am not interested in being required to invest half and hour each to such videos.

Fine, but then don’t make your mind up about the guy without watching what he has to say.

Who has time to sit down and watch an hours worth of shitty content just so they can argue with someone else online?

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#1222371
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Warbler said:

Consider a drive by shooting happens. You are a cop. You are given description of the vehicle, which includes make, and model and the fact that window was shot out. Soon after the shooting, around the area the shooting took place, you stop a vehicle that matches the description, make and model and a shot out window in the correct area of the car. You see two guns in the car. Suddenly one the occupants of the car takes off on foot. You have no idea if he is armed or not(even though two guns were in the car, it doesn’t mean another one wasn’t on his person). For all you know he was involved in the shooting. What do you? (and keep in mind you have less time to decide than it took you read this paragraph)

Certainly not shoot him because I’m not a fucking monster, and I don’t want to live in a world where cops can just execute people in the street for any reason.

EDIT: “I don’t have enough details to understand this situation, I guess I’ll murder this guy just to be safe” is not an acceptable solution.

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#1221776
Topic
Socialism vs Libertarianism
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TV’s Frink said:

Full disclosure - have not read the article. It may well be bunk. But I’m busy and lazy.

https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/bn33ym/why-libertarians-and-mens-right-activists-sound-the-same-when-they-talk-about-feminism-398

I didn’t read it either but what it basically said is that libertarians and anti-feminists both view the world through a lens of total individualism. Anti-feminism is basically just the libertarian idea of “pulling yourself up by your boostraps” being erroneously applied to gender (in addition to being erroneously applied to economics 😉).

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#1221765
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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I feel like these new progressive candidates (Ocasio-Cortez, Sanders) are making things harder for themselves by taking on the name “democratic socialist.” Firstly, the name isn’t even correct, and I’ll keep saying it until the day I die. In order to be a democratic socialist, one has to be a… socialist. Neither Ocasio-Cortez or Sanders advocate for socialism. But the bigger issue is that by labeling themselves socialists, they’ve made it much easier for Republicans to smear them. Now their opponents don’t have to convince voters that welfare = socialism = communism = deathcamps = bad. All they have to do is convince voters that socialism = communism = deathcamps = bad. That first step, the one that progressives seem to be willingly giving up, is the most important one. Getting from ‘welfare’ to ‘socialism’ is a much bigger jump than getting from ‘socialism’ to ‘communism’ or from ‘communism’ to ‘deathcamps’. It’s the right’s weakest argument, the most tenuous connection in that entire chain of ideas, and they’re just throwing it away.

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#1221372
Topic
If you need to B*tch about something... this is the place
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Carbon monoxide detector went off at 2 in the morning. Nearly gave me a heart attack and undoubtedly woke several of the neighbors up. I’m pretty sure it was a fluke, since the batteries had leaked so bad that the contacts had to be cleaned with alcohol before the thing would even turn back on. Additionally, the alarm didn’t go off again when I reset it and pressed the test button. Even still, now I’m paranoid about carbon monoxide poisoning; and whenever I’m worried about having some sort of illness, I start to imagine that I’m having symptoms.

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#1220744
Topic
Satanic Panic! - (A Thread For All Things Satanic)
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My enjoyment of the Satanic aesthetic really depends on my mood. In general, I’d say I enjoy it in moderation. For me, there’s a very thin line between healthily Satanic and childishly edgy, so it’s easy to overdo the imagery and come off as lame.

I really like seeing different depictions of hell, particularly the more alien and esoteric ones. I quite like Wayne Barlowe’s vision of hell, for example.

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#1220609
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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moviefreakedmind said:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/26/politics/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-joe-crowley-new-york-14-primary/index.html

HUGE win for progressives against corporate democrats. A 10-year representative got beaten by a Democratic Socialist. I’m really excited by this trend. Similar candidates are getting selected even in conservative states like Nebraska.

Great to hear. Genuinely surprising, too. I was convinced that she stood no chance. If she wins the general, does that mean we can finally put the “Democrats need to go right to win” meme to bed?

TV’s Frink said:

https://abcnews.go.com/US/supreme-court-justice-anthony-kennedy-retiring/story?id=55052718

This country is about to get demonstrably worse, yet again. Wonderful.

Damn, couldn’t’ve waited 2 more years?


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/families-earning-117000-now-qualify-as-low-income-in-californias-bay-area/

In other news, California’s housing crisis is just as absurd as ever.

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#1219506
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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moviefreakedmind said:

Never heard his music, so I can only guess. And since I hate pretty much all popular music these days (that I’ve heard) I tend to lean towards the expectation that I won’t like it.

Well, if that’s how you feel…

I just thought it was funny that, of all the mainstream musicians, he’s probably the least deserving of being shit on for being not a “real musician.”

moviefreakedmind said:

And who cares what you expect from me?