i would vote to remove any noticable features of sidious so its actually a surprise when his true identity is revealed. would be cool to have dooku in his place on TPM, and to do away with the rule of the two.
LMAO just look at the first post on this thread
That’s exactly what I was thinking, RL. George makes it so incredibly obvious who the Sith Lord is that it retroactively makes the Jedi seem like idiots. Then again, there is the canon explanation that they were blinded by the dark side of the Force, but that’s kinda a cheap, cop-out explanation.
I don’t think you’d necessarily have to remove all of Sidious’ scenes so much as you’d just have to darken his hooded face and distort his voice in any hologram scenes. The fact he doesn’t do that already as a public figure in canon is kinda strange. The scenes he has in-person could still have the darkened face but his true voice, serving as a subtle hint before we’re even introduced to Palpatine. Ian already does a slightly different voice as Sidious. Plus, we never actually hear Dooku speak until about halfway through AotC.
Do we know if Sir Christopher Lee did some movies in the early 90’s that we could take footage from? That would be a decade before he recorded AotC, which matches the timing properly.
I must admit it was a questionable choice on the part of George to have a different villain for each episode. At the very least, it’s a good thing that nobody kills Dooku until Episode 3.
That being said, I do appreciate the original idea that Qui-Gon’s death was what pushed Dooku to the dark side, rather than him being the one to do it. It makes his character far more sympathetic and understandable. Perhaps even a little grey and morally ambiguous. I feel like this concept would just force him into the two-dimensional villain role with no discernable character motivations. To that end, I think I actually prefer Maul being the one to do it.
EDIT: If anybody has the VFX skills, I’d actually much prefer Dooku to be present at Qui-Gon’s funeral, taking the place of the super obvious hint shot of Palpatine after “But which was destroyed, the master, or the apprentice?” I realize this would contradict Tales of the Jedi, but it’s honestly such a missed opportunity. Mace is too foolish to realize that no Sith was destroyed by what occurred, but rather a new apprentice was born.
Yup these tests are just that: tests. Not necessarily what the final product would sound like. I just pasted the line in there, really.
The new Leia flashback test is really beautiful, I’ve gotta say. Thanks guys. This is why collaboration is always key in these things. Honestly, I think this should be in Ascendant v5:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SH4R3i8wNuwrP8bN85aLe82Tn5E87vBj/view?usp=sharing
I’m not sure if I’m gonna pursue the idea I had above only because future canon content certainly won’t oblige by it. The requirement of a “chosen one” being born of no father means the Jedi should have recognized that trend occurring in every generation at some point. But it was a fun thought experiment nonetheless.
Lmao, I just realized that the answer is right in front of me.
“I’m starting to think it’s impossible. To hear the voices of the Jedi who came before.”
“A thousand generations live in you now. [Each had one chosen to restore balance].”
And of course the voices that reach out to her later. If those could be replaced with Anakin and random people’s voices instead of fan-servicey cameos, it would actually make sense. Each one could be a “chosen one” from a past generation. I think Luke and Leia could be included too since they’re the offspring of the chosen one.
That is a completely fair criticism, and exactly what the hardcore fan sentiment would have been had they gone with the Rey backstory I’m pursuing in the other thread. I can already hear the raging YouTubers saying: “They really just brought Palpatine back so a girl could do a better job at being the chosen one.”
With the new Avatar: The Last Airbender remake coming out soon, I think there’s a very good analogy to put here to clear this up. Like you said, we don’t know exactly how often the Force has created these “chosen one” beings. Perhaps, just like the Avatar, there is a long line of succession here. And the chosen one is continually reincarnated into a new person whenever the will of the Force is violated too much. Anakin destroyed the Jedi and the Sith because both orders just wanted to control the Force. To go back to our analogy here, Aang is to Korra as Anakin is to Rey.
Under this new thinking, I suppose it would be okay for this process to continue on and on. Because, from a certain point of view, it’s the same essence maintaining that ultimate balance in the Force every time. It’s a retcon of the chosen one prophecy, but satisfactory enough to justify continually creating new content. And as Yoda says, they could have misread the prophecy. Perhaps what I’m describing could be the true meaning of it all.
I just wouldn’t even know where to begin with all this in an actual edit lmao.
I don’t disagree with the idea that there needs to be conflict again. But the Skywalker saga sets up in Episode 1 that the main character is meant to bring “ultimate balance” to the Force. The fact that only 20-30 years pass before that balance is lost and a pseudo-Empire reigns again is insulting. The only way any of this makes sense to me is that something “unnatural” happened which caused this ultimate balance to be delayed. Which we of course know is what happened when Palpatine returned. And this is why I think Rey needs to be equivalent to Anakin in terms of being the chosen one reincarnate, and not really a Palpatine.
In my opinion, future conflicts, specifically the Rey movie, should take a page out of George Lucas’ sequel trilogy scripts. They need to be fighting crime syndicates and street-level foes, not people with the potential to destroy the universe. Sure, there can be dark-side users, but they shouldn’t be Sith and they shouldn’t have grand ambitions to snuff out the light side of the Force. They should be like Baylan Skoll and Shin Hati. I think George was going to give a similar treatment to Maul and Talon. Neither of them would be Sith, but they’d be interested in making as good a life for themselves as possible at the expense of others.
Think of it like the difference between The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings trilogy. The Hobbit (if you ignore the movies) is a simple tale with excellent stakes and interesting developments. However, the fate of Middle-Earth is never at stake. Then you get to Lord of the Rings, which is comparable to the Skywalker saga in that if the heroes fail, all will be lost.
TL;DR - We need only Hobbit-like stories post sequel trilogy. Or, in Star Wars terms, conflicts in the same style as the TV shows like Mando and Boba Fett. If a writer wants to do one where the fate of the galaxy hangs in the balance, they DESPERATELY need to go back in time to the Old Republic. It’s such an untapped goldmine that they refuse to touch.
“He’s too dangerous” definitely sticks out, but that’s already been corrected for a potential v5.
Poe’s stuff sounds excellent. As does the rest of Leia’s stuff. Likewise, Jannah sounds virtually flawless with headphones on. Kylo’s unmasked line sounds 95% identical with headphones, to the point where I could definitely improve it but it isn’t necessary imo. 3PO’s lines definitely can be upgraded as well as both of Kylo’s masked lines for v5, as those were generated with the older method of using outside-the-movie dialogue (Lego games). I’d still love to hear feedback concerning Palpatine going after Rey’s father instead of Rey from the beginning, as I think this new masked Kylo voice is excellent.
The only line I think there is an argument could be reverted is Rey’s “from the ancient texts”. Mostly because that implication is already there for viewers that pay attention. But also because it is noticeably quieter. It doesn’t feel like AI, but rather like a different set of recording equipment was used to capture Daisy’s voice. It feels similar to Holdo’s ADR dialogue from TLJ. But to a greater degree like in the case of Luke’s “We’ll always be with you”.
The Rey Nobody edit does not use any AI voices as I understand it. They are all spliced lines from the movie itself.
I use 11 labs, but take the center channel from when the characters are speaking in the scenes I want to modify, and then run it through voice isolation software provided by RogueLeader, another member of this forum. The result is a nearly perfect voice clone.
I’m assuming Hal uses Adobe Premiere, but I could be wrong about that.
Yup, you were probably using the wrong method of making the AI lines. You can thank RL again for discovering the proper way.
In my opinion, the flaw with the idea of “cycles” is that there should really be another sequel trilogy if that is the case, and on and on into infinity. I don’t think anybody genuinely wants that. TROS ends with the return of the Jedi for a second time, with no discernable difference from the first go around. Which to me suggests that the uniting tissue between each trilogy ought to be the Jedi and Sith trying to control the will of the Force. And finally coming to terms with the fact that the Force cannot be controlled, and it is up to the galaxy to let it and its avatars do only what it wants. Otherwise, everything is thrown out of balance. In the case of the sequel trilogy, the only reason things repeated themselves is because Palpatine was supposed to die in ROTJ, but he cheated the will of the Force in a way even it couldn’t forsee, causing all the events from the OT to essentially play out again. Except this time he actually stays dead thanks to the intervention of the Force ghosts.
I disagree 100%. In fact, if you showed this to somebody who had no idea what an AI line even is, like a mother, they should be none the wiser unless they happen to be an audio engineer. I am almost certain you pointed them out to her as they happened, which obviously isn’t fair. My dad couldn’t even tell Tarkin was CGI in Rogue One until I told him after the movie. And for me, somebody who is very attuned to these things, when I watch this edit on a TV speaker instead of headphones, the lines blend in perfectly. There are indeed a couple of lines in v4 of this edit that are outdated (using an older method of voice synthesis which isn’t realistic) so that could be part of your issue. The new method sounds 99% like the person. To the point where I’m not sure why Hal applied certain transitional audio effects to them, as I think this made them stand out slightly more with headphones. The voice clones already try to replicate the EQ and background noise of what you give it.
I think that pruning and trimming is actually the laziest possible approach you can take in fan editing. It requires no creativity and little thought process. It’s a “hurr-durr, I don’t like this moment, so I want it gone.” Granted, it is certainly a necessary evil in a lot of cases to achieve a larger goal. If AI lines aren’t for you, that’s fine, but don’t try to turn this into a universal fact, because it certainly isn’t. Especially in a sandbox as barebones as the one TROS gives us, your ideology just doesn’t work. Not unless you condense everything into a duology. But that’s a whole different project than this one’s stated goals.
I’m only “aggro” about it because, for me, that’s the only thing others can do to me that will wake me up from a stupor and obsession with any particular idea I have. Which is usually helpful so I can consider things from different perspectives. If people don’t say anything in an upfront way, then I’m likely going to miss something, and whatever I’m working on isn’t going to be as good as it should be.
Granted, I do appreciate it much more when criticisms come with their own recommendations. The reason I don’t have any recommendations for you is because, from my perspective at least, I’m already pursuing all these ideas in a much more attainable way in my own thread.
Granted, these lines tend to be AI-generated anyway, but ideally, I’d want to use a Leia soundalike. Usually, I’m fine with AI for fanedits since they’re non-profit anyway, but I just grow more & more uncomfortable with it every day.
Then why keep bringing up ideas that would require AI line replacements to nearly every other aspect of the film in order to make any sense? I think the mark of a good alternative take for TROS is that you only really have to change what Kylo tells Rey in the dyad duel and hangar scene, specifically. If you have to start fundamentally changing all the conversations outside of that one to accommodate your idea, that just means you’re fighting a losing battle to change the crux of this movie.
Ultimately, this movie IS about being confronted with an uncomfortable statement concerning your heritage/origin, and then trying to reconcile that with the idea that your origin shouldn’t matter, because your choices and relationships with others matter more in life. And in Kylo’s case, it’s moreso about domination and power leading to ruin regardless of trying to disassociate them from the Sith or his own destiny, and that choosing love is the ultimate form of empowerment.
I do think this new Luke voiceover line can work in my own edit, however. It would bring Luke’s whole lesson full circle when combined with him telling Ben on Exegol: “Choose love, Ben. Choose power.” And that, of course, would be a culmination to their previous conversation:
“The dark side has failed you, Ben. Like it failed my father.”
“Anakin was weak”
“His love for his family saved him. I wish it could save you, too.”
“I only did what I had to do.”
“You chose hate.”
“I chose power.”
Here’s how I could see the Luke and Leia flashback line going:
“She was quick to learn in our training. But Leia feared giving in to hatred like our father, and chose to follow our mother’s path, instead. Throughout her life, Leia lost everything, and everyone. But in the end, she still chose love.”
As I’ve given this idea more thought, I’ve come to realize that I do appreciate detaching Rey receiving Leia’s lightsaber and overcoming her darkness as something she prophesied would happen to Luke. I think things are already confusing enough in this movie with one vision that is supposedly fated to happen, introducing yet another one - a seemingly contradictory one to the initial vision, at that - seems no bueno. Plus, this ties beautifully with Rey’s later line to Palpatine: “All you want is for me to hate, but I won’t.”
Yeah, I feel like yours would work best from a thematic point of view. Especially for a classic Rey Palpatine edit. Luke’s basically telling her, “Leia lost everything, she had every reason to turn to the dark side, or run away and hide like both of us tried to, but she chose to keep on fighting for what she loved instead.”
But there are people who appreciate the fan-servicey bit of mentioning Padme. Plus, what I was shooting for with my own was the implication that Leia literally struggled with the exact same darkness as Rey, as in my hypothetical edit Palpatine may have done that to both the Skywalker bloodline and Rey’s own.
That is indeed some pretty powerful dialogue, RL. The only trouble is that the line there has to explain whether Leia stopped her Jedi training or not, and it’s kinda ambiguous at the moment. Having enough space is also a concern.
The way I currently have it in my thread is (roughly) as follows: “But Leia feared the darkness in our father, choosing instead to follow our mother’s path. She surrendered her saber to me, and said it would be picked up again, by someone with the spirit to overcome that darkness.”
I’m not sure how that could be altered any more seeing as how there are time limitations. Although I do like the idea that it was a decision of possibly choosing hate or guaranteed love. I think that implication is already present, but maybe it’s not clear enough.
Since this movie doesn’t have deleted scenes, are you planning on slotting this intro in with the rest of the movie as an edit? Or would you prefer to make some other changes in a hypothetical edit?
I mean, you’d just be making another hard retcon of TLJ then. Kylo says in that movie that the effort for Rey to talk to him like that would kill her. So the implication is that, no matter your strength in the Force at the moment, communicating across the galaxy will kill you. Unless you have a bond like the dyad. Or unless you instigate it between two people like Snoke does. I suppose you could make the argument that Luke could instigate it, but at that point the Force Skype memes literally write themselves. They’d all be on a Microsoft Teams call together LMAO.
Ultimately, this idea doesn’t work because it requires footage of Leia speaking on the other line to be completely seamless. The first Star Wars movie establishes that Force ghosts do not have to take a corporeal form in order to speak to people. Thus, it feels natural that Luke would do such a thing with Kylo. But with Leia, since she’s still alive, it would feel super awkward to not see what she’s up to as the conversation is unfolding. Imagine removing all visuals of Kylo speaking whenever he speaks with Rey in TLJ. It just doesn’t work.
I only have Episode 3. I’ll send you a PM. There is a fan edit request thread on here BTW so you don’t have to make an entirely new post like this.
I think the idea behind that person’s comment was in the near future where AI video generation and augmentation is possible. Admittedly, I agree that it’s a bit early to be discussing these kinds of things. Give it another 10 years, at least lol.
Oh, cool! I didn’t know that. Vader definitely won’t be a problem then.
If he does replace the other character’s voices, though, I really hope he doesn’t use some random person’s voice. Ryan Golden is like a one in a billion kind of person. I seriously doubt there is a twin of Ewan out there.
If you could send RL the center channel of whenever those characters are speaking in the scenes you want to replace, I can do that for you.
No offense, but that ruins the entire point of Leia reaching out to Kylo before he hurts Rey. It has to be the first time she does such a thing so it’s shocking enough for Ben to stop him in his tracks. Plus, her doing such a thing would require “all the strength she has left”, meaning she’d be dead before Endor. The reason it has to be Luke is that he isn’t confined to the rules of Force projection anymore since he’s a ghost.
Plus, Luke never “taunts” him with that dialogue, he’s literally just speaking facts. Reminding him that his grandfather chose love in the end over hatred - which had only ever taken and pushed others from him. In my mind, it’s essential that all 3 of the legacy characters show genuine compassion and care in order to redeem Kylo in this movie. Luke would demonstrate it first after Chewie “dies”. Then Leia shows it by reaching out to him one last time before she dies. And finally Ben is able to see his father again and admit that he was sorry and loved him all along.
I don’t think PJ usually comes on here. If he doesn’t end up using AI voices in his edit for whatever reason, I’m sure we can come together to replace the spliced lines on this thread.
Ah, that explains it. It does look way more artsy than the shots they ended up using in the film for some reason. I think it would slot in perfectly in place of the Kylo shot readying himself as Vader approaches him that I had to remove for continuity.
One thing worth considering about the rapid-fire visions in TROS is that they include footage from random parts of the previous movies, thus necessitating such a film style. What we have here is entirely new footage that is already arranged in a narrative format, so I really don’t think the same technique is necessary.