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Jurassic Park - Theatrical '93 Regrade

Reese said:

Why would you use production stills to regrade a film???

In this film’s case I’d see no point. However, with films that either have differing palettes in their various releases, or those that have been modified over the years and with no theatrical source as a reference; production stills can offer some clues as how the image looked in its neutral form.

Best Explanation Of Mary Sue Issue

LordPlagueis said:

IsanRido said:

I don’t like the ST myself, but the Mary Sue argument is very silly and indicative of one’s attitude towards women. “We don’t hate women, we hate poorly written characters” doesn’t apply when a person defends the prequel trilogy over these films.

The Mary Sue argument is not indicative of a personal attitude against women. That is ridiculous. A person can think that Rey is a Mary Sue without thinking that all other strong female characters are Mary Sues.

I wasn’t talking about the argument as a whole, I was refering to it in the context of ST criticism. As it turns out, in those films there’s no proof that Rey is some kind of overpowered protagonist with no flaws. She doubts herself constantly, characters can best her physically, and the bulk of The Last Jedi consists of her and other characters failing to do things. So naturally, her being described as Mary Sue raises a few eyebrows.

How many good third movies in a trilogy can you name?

The Naked Gun 3 (I know that’s not the full title but I’m too lazy to change format), Return of the Jedi (warts and all), The Good, The Bad and the Ugly, In The Mouth of Madness (thematic trilogies, so we’re cheating here), Samurai III: Duel at Ganryu Island; and that’s all as far trilogies go. In longer franchises, there are much more.

I’d say Day of the Dead too, but there are other 3 films after it, perhaps we can regard those as a separate trilogy?

Do you think the Sarlacc monster Force sensitive?

This is something that has been bugging me for a while. As we all know, the fate of those being thrown into the pit is to be slowly digested over a period of a thousand years. At first glance, this would seem to be one of Jedi’s silly ideas (isn’t funny how long the torment lasts?), something that is very much in line with the “comical” torture of the Gonk droid, and the cartoon screeches of those falling into the pit.

However, isn’t also conceivable that a creature like Sarlacc is Force sensitive, and is able to extend the lifetime of its victims? We know that Jabba for instance, is able to resist the Jedi mind tricks, so it’s not out of the question for a monster to employ Force-related abilities. The idea of an unnaturally long lifespan isn’t so incredible either with Yoda lasting 900 years. We don’t know if this the natural lifespan of his species, or a result of his abilities with the Force, but the concept is present.

But then if it were the case that the Sarlacc is indeed using the Force to keep his victims alive for centuries, why would it do this? Because it’s the necessary time for his digestion? To keep from starving to death? Or perhaps, because it’s a sadistic creature. Lending credibility to that idea would be the Emperor choosing to kill Luke in a slow, painful manner insead of destroying him as quickly as he could with his powers.

ThatGuyWhoEdits Upcoming edits & Ideas

ThatGuyWhoEdits said:

IsanRido said:

I’m interested in the Superman II cut. What exactly do you mean by complete? Will it have every bit of footage shot by Donner, including the deleted scenes and additional material found in the TV cuts? Will it be reverting to Lester scenes only when no Donner equivalent is present, or is it a combination of Donner and Lester footage?

By “Complete” it’ll be following the shooting script when Donner was directing at the time,so yes it’ll be having every bit of footage that Donner directed while also using some completed scenes from the lester cut (as long it’s in the script but if not i’ll have to make exceptions) all deleted scenes,along with some tv footage (poor quality but meh i used worse footage for my director’s cut of BF so consider my “complete” cut the bootleg edition like “Bruce Campbell Vs Army of darkness” 😛) & recreating some moments that were moved to the other superman sequels such as the lovestruck superman straightening the eiffel tower back into the film.

Oh I see, that’s a good idea. There’s a deleted Lester scene that was in the shooting script, where Super makes a souffle with his heat vision. That appeared in the TV cut, and was presented in OAR in the Superman II blu-ray.

Last movie seen

I saw it too, and I thought it was the most ridiculous installment since Godzilla Final Wars. Definitively not the worst installment, but still far below the average Toho film. I’m surprised the audience reaction is so positive. The most I can say without getting into spoilers, it’s that it’s glorified fan fiction.

Ghidorah, The Three-Headed Monster - English dub synched to Toho cut.

Hi there, I just finished synching up the English dub for Godzilla’s 5th entry to its Japanese version. Since this dub corresponds to the heavily altered US cut of the film, much re-arranging had to take place. It was also a requierement to revert back into Japanese whenever a scene wasn’t dubbed (this is only a few minutes or so). Think of it as though it was a restoration of a partially lost movie.

The resulting .aac file (192kbps) synchs to Toho’s BD of the film, so it fits if you intend on creating a multilanguage file. Let me know if interested.

The <strong>Original Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread

4throck said:

IsanRido said:
Also, not sure if I’d consider this radical, but I’d open Return of the Jedi with the Emperor’s arrival. Seeing Luke’s introduction as a shadowy cloacked figure would be an interesting paralell if we already met Palpatine by that point in the film. And naturally, it would get rid of the uneventful “Permission to land” opening.

You can just use the opening as is and have the Emperor arrive instead of Vader. And for extra cloaked figures you can cut from the Emperor to Luke’s deleted cave scene.

Yeah, that kind of transition is necessary. Jedi is the first film in the franchise to have editing problems, most of which are carried over to subsequent installments. As such, I believe the third act would benefit greatly from reducing the alternance between Endor, the space battle and the throne room scenes. Ideally it would go like this:

  • “Welcome Young Skywalker” and “come boy” as a singular scene. A new shot of the Emperor rotating his chair towards the window is necessary (perhaps re-purposed footage from earlier) to blend both scenes together.
  • Han entering the bunker and the deleted fight ought to be reinstated, followed by their capture.
  • Cut to the Rebel Fleet arriving and having the space battle continue up until Lando says “Come on Han don’t let me down”.
  • Cut to the beginning of the duel (“Your fleet is lost”), and continue up until the bridge collapses.
  • Resume the ground battle as Han and his crew are escorted outside. The sequence ought to continue up until the shield is destroyed. By the way, it doesn’t have to blow up and look it’s taking out much of the forest. A simple electrical current suggesting the machine is de-activated ought to work. Lando and the fleet can the approach DSII as it happens in the film.
  • Resume the duel, Luke has been hiding for quite a while. The scene can go uninterrupted until the Emperor is destroyed. Then everything goes “back to normal”, or as Lando puts it “here goes nothing”.

A more radical idea that has been discussed a lot is not having Leia as Luke’s sister. Which I think could work for a good number of reasons, but there a few things to take into account:

  • Yoda’s death. Since his last words are the reveal, much work has to be done to a) Have him say something else or have him not die at all. There’s the still the problem of him announcing “another one” in Empire. Who on Earth could it be?
  • The conversation with Obi-Wan ought to end with “you must face Vader again”, or simply not take place at all, though it would create a problem since Luke mentions Anakin later.
  • When Luke reunites with the rebels and Leia asks what’s wrong with him, either his predicament has to be a different one, or Leia doesn’t notice anything at all.
  • Luke’s farewell to Leia is extremely problematic if he’s not his sister. Maybe could silently slip away, but this has to be adressed somehow.
  • The biggest “loss” by removing the reveal is that Luke now needs a different reason to go beserk on Vader. At the moment the only thing I can think would be the Dark Lord inducing visions into Luke’s head (with a similar effect to the nightmares in the prequels) of his friends dying or something to that effect.
  • In this conext, Leia’s reveal to Han obviously ought to go, which would also rid the film of Han’s jealousy towards Luke.
The <strong>Original Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread

Yeah, I think attempts have been made over the years to make the Star Wars Vader more like Empire, but I prefer his more expresive, crude version to the refined one from the sequels.

Also, not sure if I’d consider this radical, but I’d open Return of the Jedi with the Emperor’s arrival. Seeing Luke’s introduction as a shadowy cloacked figure would be an interesting paralell if we already met Palpatine by that point in the film. And naturally, it would get rid of the uneventful “Permission to land” opening.

Thoughts on Star Wars Titles

I use A New Hope mostly for practical reasons, but I much prefer to call it plain Star Wars. The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi are both great titles, and I love hearing the narrator in the trailers gleefuly announcing them. Why can’t we have that in the new trailers, they’d get me so excited about the films.

The Phantom Menace I don’t think is such a terrible title. Having “Episode I” preceding it makes the title seem more ridiculous than it is. If it was simply Star Wars: The Phantom Menace it would open up a lot of interesting possibilities. Attack of the Clones is plain deceptive, I’d expect a truly awesome throwback film with intentionally campy dialog and production design from it (perhaps the title and crawl could have been fashioned in a font different from the norm that was more suited for that idea). Revenge of the Sith would make for a much compelling title if we knew what they were having revenge for.

The Force Awakens does start out nicely by breaking the “X of the X” pattern, but at the same time it feels like an obvious soft reboot title. I suppose it was the most logical choice for the time being. The Last Jedi is another deceptive title, which would seem to fit the film’s main drive to subvert expectations. However, on a closer examination it does make a lack of focus evident (the storyline about the Jedi hardly provides any more impetus than the other 3 stories at play).

And naturally I despise having “A Star Wars story” as part of the titles. We’re already reminded they are that because they exploit the tropes and imagery of the franchise. I would have gone with something like “Rogue One: Or how we stole the plans to the first Death Star”.

The <strong>Original Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread

I’d do a TV show edit of the OT, with occasional flashbacks to the prequels (by which I mean all of them). This is roughly what I have in mind:

  • Start with the deleted scenes of Luke witnessing the battle and heading for Tosche Station. We’d follow his point of view, until he meets the droids.
  • The battle at Tantive IV and everything that follows (including the capture by Jawas) would occur as a flashback when CP30 tells Luke about all they’ve been through. We still don’t see what’s happening on board the Death Star.
  • When Luke meets Ben, flashbacks of prequel events would pop up. As Ben says “He betrayed and murdered your father”, we’d see the final moments of the duel at Mustafar, but it would not be revealed who is it that Anakin is fighting, so we’d assume his mutilation was caused by Vader (whom we still haven’t met). Perhaps Obi-Wan can be rotorscoped into a dark silouette.
  • Some flashbacks to Order 66 could take place as Ben feels the Destruction of Alderaan (which we haven’t seen). When our heroes comes across the destroyed planet, it’d come across as a surprise to the audience.
  • As the Falcon is captured by the Death Star, we’d cut to Tarkin being informed about it. This would be the first time we see of him and Vader. Much like the shooting script, this and his order to execute Leia would occur as one continuous scene. Potentially Vader going off to meet Obi-Wan could occur here as well.
  • Since all previous scenes of Leia have been cut, we’d meet her in the flesh during her rescue.
  • The duel could include some prequel flashbacks that don’t compromise Vader’s identity. Since at this point we know Luke’s father was Hayden, then it follows that Vader should be Jake Lloyd (painful, I know). Perhaps some duel footage from the prequels can be repurposed to have Obi-Wan fighting someone other than Hayden.
  • As the Falcon departs and Leia comforts Luke, perhaps we could cut to a flashback of Alderaan’s destruction. It’s the only place I can think of for this scene in the context of ANH.
  • The Battle of Yavin would probably occur without cutting away to the Death Star.
  • The Throne Room scene might be deleted since it feels much like movie ending and this is a TV series edit. Potentially a flashback to the prequels could bridge the gap between ANH and Empire.
  • The first Empire scene could be Vader’s contact with the Emperor, after which we’d cut to the Imperial Fleet searching locating the Hoth system.
  • Cut to the Hoth scenes, albeit told only from the Rebel POV, mostly Luke’s.
  • Luke would arrive at Dagobah shortly after leaving Hoth. We’d follow his storyline, though Yoda might have a few flashbacks here and there. This storyline would interrupted as he leaves for Bespin.
  • After that we’d cut to the Han/Leia storyline, presumably beginning when they leave Hoth and concluding at the Carbon Freeze. After this, we’d resume Luke’s storyline with the Duel playing uninterrupted.
  • The Return portion of the series would begin as with the film, with Vader arriving at DSII, but the deleted scene of Luke building his saber could be incorporated as a segue to droid storyline, which we’d follow. Perhaps before that, Luke can have a flashback of Dagobah (meaning he returned right after Empire). At this point we can reveal Obi-Wan as the dark silouette who mutilated Anakin (a flashback within a flasback).
  • After Han is rescued, all of our heroes would return to the Fleet together.
  • We’d follow then the Rebel storyline for quite a while. As Luke leaves to meet Vader, we would exclusively focus on the ground battle at Endor. This would continue up and until the battle turns ill for the Rebels.
  • At this point we can cut to Luke confronting the Emperor as one continuous sequence. We’d find out the Rebels succeded by having the deleted Jerjerrod scene telling us so.
  • We’d cut back to the ground and space battle right after the Emperor is killed. Since we’ve still haven’t seen Vader’s death and Luke evacuating there’d be some suspense regarding his fate when DSII blows up.
  • The celebration could be intercut with flashbacks of the Republic in its glory, hinting such days could return after having won this very important battle (No SE celebrations that imply everything was immediatly fixed after the Emperor’s death).
  • End the saga with Vader’s funeral (I believe Bingowings suggested this one).

Updated the list of scenes.

Anakin Starkiller said:

Wait. You’re telling me that even with each movie clocking in at over three hours (EE) there’s still a significant amount of cut footage that hasn’t been released? Wow. I mean I had heard about Arwen being cut from Helm’s Deep, which hasn’t been released, and which I’m still kinda salty about.

Yup, there’s plenty of footage that didn’t make it to any cut of the film. I’ll be working mostly we the material we see in the trailers and documentaries, though the main focus of the edit will be to restore the originally planned structure.

benduwan said:

sounds good.
will this be a extended extended version or there some cuts?
by the way i like extended movies…😉
if you need a german track,let me know.
i own the german blurays.

No cuts to alter the film. I might, however, delete all shots not pertaining to the principal photography when possible, and will possibly remove shots that corresponded to different scenes and/or montages that were conceived in post-production.

As for the different languages, I don’t think I would be doing that for this edit since much of the deleted content exists only in English (and Elvish?). However, there’s nothing stopping us from making multilanguage .mkvs of the Theatrical and Extended cuts 😉.

your thoughts: Did Disney kill star wars because it sounds like they did with the last jedi solo and resistance.

Ryan-SWI said:

You didn’t see George talking about how god awful the OT was while promoting the PT.

I did see it! Good old George kept refering to the Original Trilogy as “unfinished films” and kept talking about how much happier he was in the cold and controlled enviroment of the prequels.