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FreezingTNT2 said:

Here is what my viewing order will be:

Rogue One, ANH:R HD, ESB:R, TFoR (my upcoming 3-in-1 anthology prequel edit), RotJ:R, TFA (NevarGreat), TLJ (my upcoming edit), and TRoS (any upcoming edit that I feel is best).

Good luck with your edits FreezingTNT2, and let’s hope there’s not much in THE RISE OF SKYWALKER that’s gonna require attention! 😃

RogueLeader said:

I like how you described the initial scene, but when you get into further explanations, I don’t think it is as necessary to go into as much detail for the scenes most of us already know by heart. I think it would be good to emphasize your changes and cuts more than the content of the scenes as they are theatrically. Unless the scenes have major changes and you feel “setting the scene” is necessary.

It’s a tricky one RogueLeader - due to the fact that I just don’t have the time to cut full-length video clips together for these ideas anytime soon…so I’m just showing them with screenshots and descriptions a bit at a time, and wanted to give a reminder of the existing scenes and dialogue that I’m keeping too…to try and give a better visual idea of how everything would ‘flow together’ with my cut suggestions inserted, overall.

‘Setting the scene’ as you say, whether it’s for major changes or minor trims.

As far as the rest of the stuff I’m going to show is concerned, I’ll probably need to show the very FIRST shot and the very LAST shot of certain scenes in most instances, with the odd additional shot thrown in as a reminder of some aspects in-between.

So my next post on the final hour or so of REVENGE OF THE SITH is going to be a doozy, as far as the number of alterations I want to show in succession…and I’ll be interested to see what others think of it all.

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

I love that cut.

Well I’m glad that you do, SomethingStarWarsRelated…as it allowed me to discard a LOT of stuff in-between that I wasn’t personally keen on… 😃

…and it also helped to speed up the pace of these initial exchanges, so that we can get Obi-wan and Qui-gon off on their adventures much sooner.

By the way, a head’s-up for those that may have already looked through my initial posts here - I’ve now included an alteration to my 3rd post which I’d forgotten about at the time - it involves the scene where the silver droid enters the waiting room, and Obi-wan and Qui-gon discuss the situation.

I’d originally described how the ENTIRE waiting room scene played out, before my cut to the Tantive IV being blown up afterwards…but I remembered later that I’d intended to REMOVE Qui-gon’s line where he says “NO, I SENSE AN UNUSUAL AMOUNT OF FEAR FOR SOMETHING AS TRIVIAL AS THIS TRADE DISPUTE” for the purpose of upping the pace of things a bit at that point…to make it seem as if Palpatine’s order to kill the Jedi was carried out more quickly…and also because I didn’t want to hear the ‘trade dispute’ being mentioned again so soon after the ‘scroll’ wording…nor the implication that the Neimoidians were just ‘big fearties’ (good old Scottish expression) at this early point in the movie!

By the way, I’ll not be numbering any of my basic ‘comment/reply’ posts such as this, and will just keep that for my actual ‘description’ posts, to make things easier to follow for myself and everyone else

3rd POST - My proposed NEW OPENING for THE PHANTOM MENACE

While some may baulk at the idea of including the entire PREQUEL TRILOGY in their own ideal ‘viewing order’, I definitely want to include it in mine…because I happen to like a LOT of the imagery and soundtrack music featured throughout it overall…

…just NOT BEFORE watching the ORIGINAL TRILOGY first…and NOT in it’s existing form either, ideally! 😃

So to start things off, here’s my proposed NEW OPENING for THE PHANTOM MENACE which I’d like to see…as a way to introduce and reinforce the PREQUEL TRILOGY’s entire ‘backstory/flashback’ storyline at some point AFTER I’ve watched the ORIGINAL TRILOGY first…

…and as with all my future examples, I’ll put an ‘asterix’ beside the word ‘CUT’ to indicate every time I’m showing a COMPLETELY NEW CUT that’s different from how things appear in the actual movie…and will use the words ‘and then we continue on as normal’ to indicate where a scene transitions into the next scene as it currently does -

WE START OFF with the familiar 20TH CENTURY FOX FOX/LUCASFILM logos and short music fanfare -

…and as the silent blue wording fades to black, we then CUT* to an ENTIRELY NEW OPENING incorporating some footage from A NEW HOPE, which acts as a short ‘reprise’ of certain events from that movie…beginning with an ‘establishing shot’ of Obi-Wan’s dwelling on Tatooine as we hear Artoo’s faint whistles -

…and then we CUT* to the close-up of Luke saying “YOU FOUGHT IN THE CLONE WARS?” -

…and then we continue on as normal, as Obi-wan discusses Luke’s father, then hands over his lightsaber -

…and then we continue on as normal, as Obi-wan tells Luke what happened to his father, before this introductory ‘prologue’ ends with the close-up of Obi-Wan declaring “…BEFORE THE DARK TIMES…BEFORE THE EMPIRE!” -

NOTE - By adding this short ‘reprise’, it ensures that I would NEED to watch A NEW HOPE before watching my proposed version of THE PHANTOM MENACE to give these characters their proper context at this point, which suits me just fine…and it would help to kick off this ‘middle section’ of my preferred Episode 4-5-6, 1-2-3, 7-8-9 ‘saga’ viewing order with some additional ‘gravitas’ for myself…and of course, I’d ideally use adywan’s STAR WARS REVISITED footage for this, seeing as it’s his enhanced version of A NEW HOPE that I’d choose to start off my ‘saga’ re-watch with in the first place! - CLICK HERE FOR EXAMPLE

…and then we CUT* to the majestic music of the receding STAR WARS main title against a black starfield at this point, as this PREQUEL TRILOGY ‘flashback’ to the CLONE WARS ‘backstory’ begins -

…and then we continue on as normal, as we see THE PHANTOM MENACE’s receding description ‘scroll’ -

NOTE - I’m content to stick with the integrity of George’s underwhelming ‘scroll’ wording as it is, seeing as it WON’T be the introductory description at the start of my overall ‘saga’ viewing order any longer. And adding the ‘prologue’ scene with Luke and Obi-wan beforehand will help to improve it’s dull scenario a little for me too.

…and then we continue on as normal, as we see the red Tantive ship heading towards us -

…and then we continue on as normal, as the Tantive ship passes us and heads away towards the planet Naboo which is surrounded by larger ships -

…and then we CUT* to the close-up of the Tantive ship’s Captain clicking on a switch, as she says “WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, THE AMBASSADORS FOR THE SUPREME CHANCELLOR WISH TO BOARD IMMEDIATELY” -

…and then we continue on as normal, as we pan upwards to the monitor to see Nute Gunray saying “YES, OF COURSE…” -

…and then we CUT* to the interior of the Tantive ship as Nute Gunray says the words “…AND WE’D BE HAPPY TO RECEIVE THE AMBASSADORS” -

…and then we continue on as normal, as the Tantive ship dives downwards, and then lands in a docking bay -

…and then we continue on as normal, as the two hooded Jedi are met by a silver droid and led along a corridor -

…and then we continue on as normal, as the silver droid leaves the waiting room, and the two Jedi finally reveal themselves, as Obi-Wan says “I HAVE A BAD FEELING ABOUT THIS”, followed by Qui-Gon saying “I DON’T SENSE ANYTHING”, followed by Obi-Wan saying “IT’S NOT ABOUT THE MISSION MASTER, IT’S SOMETHING…ELSEWHERE, ELUSIVE…” -

…and then we CUT* to the hologram of Palpatine telling Nute Gunray “WE MUST ACCELERATE OUR PLANS” -

…and then we continue on as normal, as the close-up of Palpatine then says “BEGIN LANDING YOUR TROOPS” -

…and then we CUT* to Nute Gunray saying “AND THE JEDI?” -

…and then we continue on as normal, as Palpatine says “THE CHANCELLOR SHOULD NEVER HAVE BROUGHT THEM INTO THIS, KILL THEM IMMEDIATELY!” -

…and then we continue on as normal, as Nute Gunray bows, and then says “YES, YES MY LORD, AS YOU WISH”, as Palpatine’s hologram fades away -

…and then we CUT* to the silver droid entering the doorway as it brings refreshments to the Jedi -

…and then we continue on as normal, as Obi-wan says “IS IT IN THEIR NATURE TO MAKE US WAIT THIS LONG?”, while Qui-gon taps his hand impatiently -

…and then we CUT* to the Tantive ship in the docking bay, as the pilot says “CAPTAIN LOOK!”, followed by the captain saying “SHIELDS UP!”, as the ship gets blown up -

…and then we continue on as normal, as the Jedi jump up igniting their lightsabers, and the silver droid drops it’s tray, as gas begins to enter the room, and the Jedi hold their breath -

NOTE - This way, the pace of the opening scenes of THE PHANTOM MENACE move along with a greater sense of urgency overall, compared to the existing movie…while retaining the particular Nute Gunray/Palpatine dialogue I want to keep…and by having Nute Gunray in mid-conversation with Palpatine this way, it makes it look as if he was ALREADY aware that the hooded ‘ambassadors’ are actually Jedi, and didn’t just rely on that silver droid happening to mention it in the passing, for him to realise that fact!

Additionally, it also gets rid of Palpatine’s silly-sounding “I DON’T WANT THIS STUNTED SLIME IN MY SIGHT AGAIN!” retort which really grinds my gears ( is that REALLY the best dialogue that George could come up with for Palpatine towards this impertinent lackey?! ), while also removing the whining Neimoidian he’s referring to…so that we stick with the DUO of Nute Gunray and his advisor Rune Haako right from the start.

So that’s the exact opening to the PREQUEL TRILOGY’s ‘backstory’ which I’d like to see…and NEXT UP, I’ll describe my proposed NEW ENDING for REVENGE OF THE SITH which shows how I’d prefer to conclude the PREQUEL TRILOGY’s ‘backstory’/‘flashback’ in a certain restructured way for myself…which would feature MUCH LESS dialogue overall, and a MUCH MORE uninterrupted flow of John Williams’ evocative soundtrack music to end things on…

2nd POST - A roundup of potential ‘viewing orders’ of the Star Wars movies, along with my OWN preferred choice.

By the end of this year, eleven ( ! ) major live-action STAR WARS movies will have been released in this particular ‘production/release’ order - EPISODE IV:A NEW HOPE - EPISODE V:THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK - EPISODE VI:RETURN OF THE JEDI - EPISODE I:THE PHANTOM MENACE - EPISODE II:ATTACK OF THE CLONES - EPISODE III:REVENGE OF THE SITH - EPISODE VII:THE FORCE AWAKENS - ROGUE ONE - EPISODE VIII:THE LAST JEDI - SOLO - EPISODE IX:THE RISE OF SKYWALKER - and there’s various potential ways to re-order them for ourselves…with very different views on the best way to do it, as described HERE , HERE , HERE , HERE , HERE , HERE , HERE , HERE , and HERE for example!

…so the first decision I had to make was…how would my OWN ideal re-watch of the existing movies begin?

Well, for various reasons, I knew that I definitely WASN’T going to start off with the events of THE PHANTOM MENACE…

…and while I briefly considered the notion of beginning with ROGUE ONE instead, I quickly realised that didn’t work for me EITHER, due to one thing or another…

…so with apologies to George, here’s the ONLY answer that absolutely works best for me EVERY SINGLE TIME -

AND SO ON…

Along with it’s majestic score and explosive sound effects, EPISODE IV:A NEW HOPE’s dramatic mid-adventure opening scenes of Vader and his stormtroopers boarding the Tantive IV were my first introduction to the worlds of STAR WARS and it’s characters…and remains the greatest cinematic opening to any movie ever, as far as I’m concerned.

On top of that, it also remains the best movie to properly establish the overall look and feel of the STAR WARS galaxy in my view, which is why it will ALWAYS be how I’d begin any ‘saga’ re-watch for myself. 😃

…and while there are a number of possible ‘viewing order’ methods to watch ALL of the various STAR WARS movies released so far, I consider watching the entire ORIGINAL TRILOGY one after the other first to be the BEST starting point for someone completely new to the franchise too…so that ALL the great original character introductions and ‘reveals’ are kept INTACT for themselves, while giving better context for the various ‘references’ and ‘call-backs’ featured in everything else that followed…

…then by watching the entire PREQUEL TRILOGY storyline AFTERWARDS as a kind of extended ‘backstory/flashback’ to earlier events, it allows for a longer period of viewing time to pass before we eventually go on to watch the entire concluding SEQUEL TRILOGY storyline too…so that the much older versions of Luke, Han, and Leia won’t seem as jarring, by the time we get to watching the THE FORCE AWAKENS.

So for all these reasons, I’ll always consider the original Episode 4-5-6, 1-2-3, 7-8-9 ‘Theatrical/Production’ release order to be the most satisfying way to watch these movies for myself and others, if they were ALL to be included…but MAINLY because I’d recommend someone new to the franchise begins with EPISODE IV: A NEW HOPE first no-matter-what…EXCEPT… this scenario is messed up by the fact that George decided to replace elderly Sebastian Shaw’s ‘Forceghost’ with a creepy-looking young fella in the current ‘Special Edition’ of RETURN OF THE JEDI instead…which will make newbies ask “Who the hell on Endor’s Forest Moon is THAT?!” if they HAVEN’T watched Hayden in the PREQUELS first!

It’s almost as if George INTENDED it to be awkward, if watched in any way other than his favoured ‘chronological’ order…

I wouldn’t normally want ‘newbies’ to split-up the ORIGINAL TRILOGY to go directly from the highs of THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK to the lows of THE PHANTOM MENACE…but I’d certainly recommend that they use the alternative ‘Ernst Rister’ 4-5, 1-2-3, 6, 7-8-9 order if they’re going to watch the ‘Special Edition’ of RETURN OF THE JEDI for the first time…so that they’ll actually KNOW who that random young ‘Forceghost’ guy is, by the time they get to him in that particular viewing order!

And that order still ensures that someone new starts off with A NEW HOPE first no-matter-what, so that’s good.

But luckily for my own re-watching intentions… (those sub-par 2006 GOUT ‘bonus’ DVD discs aside), the likes of Harmy’s ‘Despecialized Edition’ of RETURN OF THE JEDI and ‘Project 4K83’ both sort out the ‘Hayden’ problem in the meantime.

…and for future purposes, adywan’s ongoing RETURN OF THE JEDI REVISITED has got my back too -

NOTE - This is a ‘work-in-progress’ shot that was previewed by him recently.

Which brings me to the versions of the ORIGINAL TRILOGY I’d ideally include in my own ‘saga’ re-watch…

I’ll always have a huge nostalgic preference for the actual '77 - '80 - '83 original versions over the existing ‘Special Edition’ recut versions…but adywan’s incredible enhancements and fixes for A NEW HOPE and THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK took things to a whole new level, and will never cease to amaze me…so his ongoing REVISITED TRILOGY is my own ‘definitive’ choice to re-watch nowadays…and I’m looking forward to seeing his inventive new ideas for RETURN OF THE JEDI too, eventually.

And of course, the fact that the Tantive IV recedes further away than ever in adywan’s makeover of A NEW HOPE’s iconic opening shot, is what clinched it for me… 😃

CLICK HERE for the sheer perfection of that.

SO TO RECAP, HERE’S MY OWN FAVOURITE ‘VIEWING ORDER’ OF ALL THE MOVIES RELEASED SO FAR -

• ORIGINAL TRILOGY storyline to kick things off with Luke, Han, and Leia…

• PREQUEL TRILOGY storyline as a ‘backstory/flashback’ to events of the past…

• SEQUEL TRILOGY storyline as a ‘jump-forward-in-time’ to conclude the ‘Skywalker saga’ with much older Luke, Han, and Leia…

• SOLO storyline as a ‘backstory/flashback’ to an adventure with Han and Chewie…

• ROGUE ONE to ALWAYS finish things off as a final ‘backstory/flashback’ to bittersweet events involving some familiar faces and settings…as a way of rounding things off with where the entire ‘saga’ started out in the first place…

• …and then I’d eventually start off with the EXACT SAME ‘viewing order’ once again…whenever I decide to have ANOTHER re-watch of the whole ‘saga’ spread over a period of nights, someday in the future! 😃

…AND HERE’S MY 2ND-FAVOURITE ‘VIEWING ORDER’ -

Although I’ve chosen NOT to split-up the ORIGINAL TRILOGY in my favourite option above, I actually quite like the ‘Ernst Rister’ scenario in certain ways too - it’s not just the way it resolves ‘Haydens’ confusing appearance as a ‘Forceghost’ in RETURN OF THE JEDI if anyone starts off with the ‘Special Editions’ of the ORIGINAL TRILOGY before the PREQUELS…it’s also because there’s a case to be made for STRETCHING OUT the uncertainty and loose ends of where everything left off at the end of THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK a lot longer…to allow for watching the build-up of Palpatine and Anakin’s rise to power BEFORE we resume with their relationship as Emperor and Vader in RETURN OF THE JEDI, and BEFORE we find out what happened to Han…

SO IT WOULD GO LIKE THIS -

• ORIGINAL TRILOGY storyline to kick things off with Luke, Han, and Leia…but STOP after THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK…

• PREQUEL TRILOGY storyline as a ‘backstory/flashback’ to events of the past, after THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK ends in uncertainty…

• ORIGINAL TRILOGY storyline resumes with RETURN OF THE JEDI…

• SEQUEL TRILOGY storyline as a ‘jump-forward-in-time’ to conclude the ‘Skywalker saga’ with much older Luke, Han, and Leia…

• SOLO storyline as a ‘backstory/flashback’ to an adventure with Han and Chewie…

• ROGUE ONE to ALWAYS finish things off as a final ‘backstory/flashback’ to bittersweet events involving some familiar faces and settings…as a way of rounding things off with where the entire ‘saga’ started out in the first place…

• …ready to begin all over again someday, in the EXACT SAME way!

But whether you’ve got a preferred order of your own or not…we finally come to some of the changes I’ve got in mind for the actual movies themselves…so NEXT UP, I’ll describe my proposed NEW OPENING for THE PHANTOM MENACE…

1st POST - An INTRODUCTION

Just for clarification before we start…the following ideas are NOT actual fan edits that are being worked on by me now or in the future…and the visual descriptions shown in this thread are just to show the specific ways I’d choose to amend the existing footage and dialogue more to my liking.

And while not everyone will agree with all of the potential changes I’ve described, perhaps some of you will find something of interest amongst them.

Welcome fellow STAR WARS fans!

There was a time long ago when things were a whole lot simpler for me concerning the ‘Skywalker saga’…back in my youth when only STAR WARS, EMPIRE STRIKES BACK, and RETURN OF THE JEDI existed as a completely satisfying, self-contained trilogy telling the story of Luke’s adventures.

But over the years, each of the additional instalments have conflicted me badly…as although there’s been plenty of moments throughout the various PREQUELS and SEQUELS that I’ve liked, I’ve also ended up wanting to unlearn what I had learned where a lot of their content and storylines were concerned!

So I thought I’d discuss some of the material which bothers me, and show the ways I came up with to tweak, rearrange, or COMPLETELY DISCARD that particular footage and dialogue more to my liking.

Every now and then over the coming months, I’ll add my proposed changes to the Original Trilogy’s PREQUELS and SEQUELS in separate, numbered posts…and will update the bottom of this initial 1st post with the scenes/subjects I’ve covered so far, for quick reference for myself and everyone else.

Any thoughts are welcome of course, but for the sake of everyone’s scrolling sanity…please don’t ‘quote’ the WHOLE of any of these lengthy posts if you wish to comment on anything, as just posting your thoughts will suffice, without everyone having to scroll through every single one of my screenshots again! Thanks. 😃

FIRST UP, I’ll go into some of the possible ‘viewing orders’ available for the current movies in my next post, as well as describe my own preferred method for any future rewatch of them.

HERE’S WHAT’S BEEN COVERED IN THIS THREAD SO FAR, FOR EASY REFERENCE -

An INTRODUCTION - this 1st POST

A roundup of potential ‘viewing orders’ of the Star Wars movies, along with my OWN preferred choice. - see my 2nd POST

My proposed NEW OPENING for THE PHANTOM MENACE - see my 3rd POST

My proposed NEW ENDING for REVENGE OF THE SITH - see my 4th POST

My alternative NEW ENDING for REVENGE OF THE SITH, which I originally had in mind - see my 5th POST

My proposed NEW OPENING for ROGUE ONE - see my 6th POST

My proposed RESTRUCTURE of Luke’s introduction for THE FORCE AWAKENS and THE LAST JEDI…as well as my proposed NEW ENDINGS for both movies - see my 7th POST

Tobar said:

Here’s a video of someone demonstrating Disney+:
I already have Disney+ !!! First impressions of the trial in The Netherlands!

Having also checked out a couple of other YouTube vids of Disney’s streaming trial, it looks as if this will be an essential entertainment hub for a lot of families around the world when it rolls out properly. Too bad it won’t be available to those of us here in the U.K. until some point next year, however.

It looks like the Disney+ logo appears momentarily when you press ‘play’ on a chosen movie (see the 2 min. 6 sec. mark on the video link above), so it seems like a new generation of ‘younglings’ wiil be getting their first introduction to THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK with this alternative opening sequence in future - Disney+ logo, then revised short music cue over the Lucasfilm logo, before the silent blue wording appears…

Oh well, I just hope their parents stick 'em on in their ‘theatrical release’ order at least… 😉

Check your PMs anakinskywalker.

Good grief!

…and who is Bobba Fet?

KINGBING117 said:

Ah thanks very much man, I seem to have a PM from some other dude who has privded my a direction to follow (I’ve already replied with my thanks but if you read this - Thanks again). Im currently downloading them so im not sure how good they will be, but i imagine they will be fine.
Thanks for your help everyone, there is hope afterall.

Good that you got what you were after then. Any problems, just contact me.

KINGBING117 said:

Is it just me or does every link or post you look at when searching for the Anti-Cheese edits lead to outdated posts or have links to now taken down videos? I’m giving up here

Well KINGBING117, you happen to be in luck (if you happen to still be around here to read this, that is), as I’m willing to point you and anyone else in the direction to current HD versions of all 3 of them. Just PM me a short polite request, and have patience for me to reply with details when I get a moment over the next few days.

Gotta say adywan, one of the great joys of your REVISITED projects for me was seeing your re-graded colouration efforts for SW:R and ESB:R. And so it’s been really neat to see all the clip examples of your ongoing ROTJ:R and SW:RHD re-grading recently too. Things are already looking fabulous on this front.

I hope that you’ll keep getting the support you require for your extensive intentions for ROTJ:R, and I’ve added an update about your excellent ‘B-Wing pilots’ shoot etc. on the STAR WARS REVISITED thread over at Fanedit(.)org for those that might have missed what you’ve achieved since finishing ESB:R. (Such a shame having to scrap your marvellous cockpit set afterwards, but I guess you had to let mrs. adywan have her livingroom back at some point!) 😃

I’ve re-read your numerous planned ROTJ:R changes on page 1 and on the ‘RotJ:R Facts’ section of the REVISITED wordpress page recently, and they are going to dramatically transform the movie for the better eventually. I’ve still got lots of pages and suggestions to catch up with here at some point, but I see that Tantive3+1 and others seem to be giving you plenty of additional scrutiny to think about already. 😃

Which reminds me, what kind of system do you have for keeping track of some of the many suggestions offered around here and amongst the comments on your Facebook adywan? I mean, do you just try to remember anything you like from memory?, or do you take a note of them as you go along in a ‘Bible of ideas’ or ‘spreadsheet’ of some sort? Just curious.

Either way, you’re doing exceptional work on this again, and it’s gonna be fun to follow your progress once again.

Just wanted to chip in about this one.

The movie’s storyline and setting may be divisive, but this particular re-edit of it is terrific!

Alien 3: Third Cut by 15MaF is a satisfying mixture of the ‘Theatrical’ and ‘The Assembly Cut’ with some added spit and polish, making it the best version I’ve come across.

I’ve always preferred the notion of the alien being born from a rottweiler as opposed to an ox, and the ‘dog-burster’ scenes are much more compelling I reckon.

But it’s the likes of 15MaF’s re-grading and subtle enhancements along the way which really make this a comprehensive ‘special edition’ for me, giving an improved look to the alien SFX shots overall - especially during the iconic moment in the infirmary when it goes right up to Ripley’s face - as there’s now added dripping ‘drool’ when it first approaches Ripley, which ties in much better when we then cut to the close-up of the drooling alien head prop. The re-grading, enhancements, and re-framing done to this somewhat dodgy effects shot all combine to make it much more effective now - and there’s a pic of it at the bottom of this link - https://ifdb.fanedit.org/alien-3-third-cut/

And extra kudos for the way the various EEV shots have been melded together nicely, with the creepy shot of Newt incorporated too. Some neat, subtle enhancements to tie things seamlessly together there.

All in all, this is the definitive version of the movie for me now…even though I choose to look on it’s storyline as merely a ‘cryo-sleep nightmare’ that Ripley is having on her journey home with ‘Newt’ and co. - which the ‘unexplained egg’ and different-looking ‘Sulaco’ exterior, ‘Newt’ actress, and ‘cryo-tubes’ all help to reinforce for me. 😃

There are several editors around here who’s ideas and efforts have greatly impressed me over the years, and I’m definitely adding 15MaF to that group now. In addition, it was interesting to read his thoughtful intentions and neat enhancements for some of his other edits too, so I’m including links below to certain threads here for anyone else who may care to check those out -

Indiana Jones And The Kingdom Of The Crystal Skull - Non Paternal Cut

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Indiana-Jones-and-the-Kingdom-of-the-Crystal-Skull-Non-Paternal-Cut-by-15MaF/id/62361

Blade Runner - The Analogue Cut

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Blade-Runner-The-Analogue-Cut/id/62356

Blade Runner 2049 1.1

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Blade-Runner-2049-1-1/id/65496

EDIT: I came back to this post to add another project which 15MaF eventually went on to do also -

Dune - Deluxe Edition

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/d-u-n-e-d-e-l-u-x-e-e-d-i-t-i-o-n-r-e-l-e-a-s-e-d/id/79476

(There’s a list of the enhancements and changes on page 2 of that thread)

Well, after having never gotten around to checking out this show, I finally took the plunge last year. It’s been a wildly cinematic ride along the way, with some great characters and lots of satisfying twists and turns. I was lucky to start when I did, as I’ve now managed to steadily work my way through all 8 seasons just in time to catch the release of the final last 2 episodes before they air shortly.

I also count myself lucky that I had the benefit of NOT having to wait the long periods between seasons that it’s other fans had to, due to my late start with it all. I only wish that there had been some sort of limited theatrical release organised on the big screen for the conclusion of it’s epic storyline, as I would have definately gone along to that. Although there’s been some very brutal and twisted moments throughout, it’s been great stuff overall, with plenty of fine acting involved, and I will probably re-watch it all again in a few years time.

And yes, I never once skipped it’s majestic opening intro. credits/main theme for any episode, as it would have seemed rude to do so. 😃

After my recent absence these past weeks due to a sudden family tragedy, it was good to check in today and find your efforts seem to be progressing well adywan.

ROTJ:R is nicely on target by the looks of things, and I hope to add a thought or three eventually. Coming back to those previews of your B-wing shoot and Jabba’s lair clip made my day! Terrific work as always. 😃

Good grief oojason, you’ve done it again during my recent absence!

Although it’s gonna bring back a lot of the old pain and disappointment for me in certain aspects, I’ll certainly take the time to have a ‘nostalgic’ read of your latest extensive effort here. I don’t know whether to thank you or dis you. 😉

I’ve been absent for a few weeks now due to a sudden family tragedy, but am slowly getting things back on track now. And there’s a lot for me to catch up with around here I see!

I’d just like to add my own thanks to Jay for setting up this esteemed hive of scum and villainy in the first place, and wish you well in whatever your future brings. Like others, I hope you will continue to chip in with your own thoughts on certain subjects that may catch your attention here in future.

And I’m heartened to see things are continuing in the equally good hands of SilverWook and Anchorhead going forward, and that a healthy financial buffer has already been achieved so far these past few weeks. This site has given me a lot of entertaining distractions over the years concerning certain projects and subjects, and I will definately be contributing to the cause very shortly. In the meantime, I look forward to resuming my interaction around here too.

May the 4th have been with you all everyone.

Merry Christmas to adywan and everyone else around this site, and I hope Santa is good to you all.

Stuff in general has distracted me from this thread since it started, but I hope to contribute a couple of things over the coming months. Judging by the proposals in the initial post, we’re already in for another treat.

Now see, if Disney hadn’t jumped the gun so soon after the The Last Jedi last year, I could have been taking the family to see SOLO for Christmas around about now. I’d still have ended up wanting to heavily re-edit it for myself, but I know I’d have appreciated it’s release much more at this point.

Where Ivan’s edit is concerned, it doesn’t surprise me that he’s generated a certain appreciative following for his efforts…as there’s just so many out there who were very discontented with various aspects of THE LAST JEDI.

Personally, I’m not too keen on some of his proposed alterations…but that’s probably because I already have specific ideas of my own about how I’d prefer to re-edit the damned thing. 😉

A second live-action ‘Star Warsy’ show announced? Fine by me, and hopefully BOTH will be great!

As with every movie in the franchise since the Original Trilogy, I ended up discarding a lot of scenes when working out what would be my own ideal version of ROGUE ONE. However, there’s certainly plenty I like about it overall.

But when I first watched the movie, I remember really disliking the ‘Cassian Andor’ character initially, due to the way it involved him ‘back-shooting’ his injured informant within the first few minutes of being introduced to him. Personally, I’d have preferred my introduction to this particular main character to have been handled a little differently, so that I could have been rooting for him from the off…but I understand if others are content with his ruthless streak being front-and-centre from the very start of the movie. It’s not that I minded him being portrayed as a ruthless character when necessary, it’s just that I didn’t care for this new character for a good portion of the movie due to the way his very first scene was structured.

So although I appreciated his character a bit more as the movie progressed, I ended up removing that entire scene when working out my own ideal version - I much prefer to have Cassian’s first introduction as being the scene where he initially questions Jyn at the rebel base on Yavin 4, as all the relevant information a viewer needs about her father is covered in this scene anyway…and a first-time viewer would still feel that Cassian is capable of carrying out the order to kill him eventually I reckon.

Anyway, that’s just my own take, and I now like the character a whole lot more when he’s introduced this way, and I look forward to whatever earlier exploits this show brings. 😃

Gah, I never made this particular connection until I happened to be tweaking my ROGUE ONE cutlist today! - Just when I’d reached a point where I was finally able to blot out the horror of the ROTJ:SE’s ‘Jedi Rocks’ addition from my memory, I suddenly realised I will always be reminded of it whenever I watch this movie now, lol…

suspiciouscoffee said:

Didn’t Solo make him 190 years old just so he would be exactly 200 in ANH?

I just said ‘roughly around’ as I don’t know exactly how old he’s meant to be at this point…but he’s bound to have well over 100 years left in him one way or another, for filmic possibilities.

I’m calling it now - 'ol Lando will not survive this movie, but the Falcon will be safe for future use as a certain furry co-pilot takes full possession of it - with Rey as HIS new co-pilot companion. 😉

And as he’s roughly around the 200 year old mark according to various sources, and supposedly can live to around 400 years old, there should be plenty of potential adventures left in the old Wookiee for Disney to mine - especially if the next saga storyline is set in the future at some point.

darthrush said:

I saw an idea about Luke’s role in 9 being similar to what happens to Gandalf in the Two Towers, “I come back to you at the turn of the tide”. Honestly if the death was a misdirect, and he did some crazy force oneness to be able to come back to help, that would be amazing.

Hmmm, come to think of it…Rey only says that Luke is ‘GONE’, as opposed to being ‘DEAD’ - so I suppose if J.J. REALLY wanted to do the biggest bait and switch on us since Rian’s THE LAST JEDI movie, then he conceivably could! - because after it looked like Luke had survived his ‘astral Force-projection’ efforts, we only saw him ‘disappear’ after shots of him looking like he had regained his composure at that point…so maybe, just maybe, he DIDN’T actually become a ‘Force-ghost’ at this point after all…but was instead ‘Force-powerful’ enough to ‘physically transport himself’ to some OTHER place in the galaxy, in readiness to join up with the rebellion once again for the next movie…no X-wing necessary! 😃

Except…it’s unclear if it was ONLY his cloak that fell on the rock and drifted away (for ‘dramatic effect’ by the makers)…or if it was EVERYTHING that he was wearing at the time - in which case he would have technically ‘re-appeared’ in the buff wherever he ended up ‘transporting’ himself to, and should have just gone with what he was wearing at the time! - of course, he may have just ‘transported’ himself a short distance back to one of the hovels on the island at that point, where there’s some other robes for him to change into BEFORE he proceeds to raise his X-wing again, for his long journey ahead - I just hope none of those nice 'ol ‘caretaker’ ladies ended up seeing him in this sudden state of undress… 😉

Anyway, enough of this nonsense!, as I’m just glad to hear that Billy Dee Williams is getting another crack at some big screen shenanigans again, after all. I’d have ideally liked Lando to have been somehow involved onscreen with HAN and LEIA for these sequels, but at least he’s getting a chance to round things out a little. Now I just need to wait nervously to see if J.J. ends up killing him off (and CHEWIE too?) in this thing!

Just a thought, but since this particular chapter is likely to be the final movie which features any of the original cast before the NEXT all-new trilogy (?) storyline begins, it’s gonna be interesting to see what the very LAST closing shot will be…

Personally, I’d love it to involve Threepio and Artoo heading off together towards a twin-sunset, as Threepio then says “Come along BB-8!”, and he then excitedly rolls into view behind them as Artoo beeps and whistles approvingly…before we fade to the ‘iris’ and end credits.

(of course, some of these droids may be back for the next storyline too, depending on what it involves)

And I’d be interest to hear any other suggestions/or preferences for what YOU think this final shot should feature.

DrDre said:

Who?

TOP men, of course.

Going back to my intention to re-introduce the FOX 'fanfare music and logo to kick off these ‘standalone’ movies for nostalgia’s sake for myself - well, I’ve now thought of a different ‘hybrid’ idea which I might use instead -

As the fanfare music begins to play out, I’d REPLACE the ‘20th Century Fox logo’ portion with the familiar receding STAR WARS title against a black starfield instead…before the usual transition to the ‘Lucasfilm logo’ portion for the rest of the fanfare, as we then get to the silent blue intro. wording.

I haven’t got time to organise an example clip, but here’s some pics to give an idea of how it would now look at the start of my intended new opening of SOLO for instance -

FOX ‘fanfare’ begins as we see…

FOX ‘fanfare’ ends as usual, then silence…

And we open on this planetary sunrise instead, before seeing Han and Chewie introduced as buddies soon after…

So seeing as I don’t intend to attach any form of full-blown, made up ‘scroll wording’ to these ‘standalones’ for myself, this should turn out to be just the kind of ‘Star Warsy’ intro. I’ve been looking for. 😃

(by the way paja - I notice that you seem to have mixed up your franchises in your thread title…) 😉