Nice to see things have been resolved now. Thanks for your continued efforts Jay.
Nice to see things have been resolved now. Thanks for your continued efforts Jay.
Grogu’s journey continues…
Season 3 Teaser - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odnRRZKhNPk
Season 3 Trailer - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znsa4Deavgg
HAPPY NEW YEAR everyone.
Well it’s that time of year again, so I’d like to wish adywan and everyone else around here a very MERRY CHRISTMAS.
The blue Tatooine sky as it should be! Lovely jubbly adywan.
(still loving your ‘bush vegetation’ fix during Luke’s exchange with Beru too)
There’s one little mistake I noticed in the movie that has never been fixed.
I don’t think Vader’s forearm should be bending like this, especially after it was cut off at the wrist.
Just so you know, I seem to recall that when this particular issue was brought up long ago, that adywan confirmed he would be doing something to improve it.
Having him call Darth Vader “Anakin” at this point in the timeline would be a bad idea all around. I think it’s important that when he tells Luke that Darth Vader killed his father, he’s also lying to himself. In his mind, Vader is all hatred and has no Anakin left in him. If he still thinks of Vader as Anakin, it makes his lie to Luke seem more manipulative.
Valid points. As long as it’s not changed to Ben calling him ‘ANI’, I’m good. 😉
Master Lawdog said:
It’s way more than just that. He looks much younger, his hair color is different, even his beard his a little different.
Indeed M L, I was just kidding around with you - but the lack of care taken with trimming/colouring Obi-wan’s facial hair (in the lightsaber scenes with Anakin) to match a little closer to how he looked in ‘Attack Of The Clones’ is just a trivial detail to me in the scheme of things…compared to my own bigger bugbears concerning the many dodgy ‘creative choices’ and contradictory aspects seen and heard across ALL the live-action offerings which came after the Original Trilogy, including the ones in ‘Attack Of The Clones’ and this current show.
Anyway, back to this Deepfake malarky. I happened to come across this creepy one the other day - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPU0WNUzsBo
And here’s a short teaser from the guys behind it - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_oUcVxKtqg
Yeah, that missing forehead spot really took me out of it… 😃
So with the latest episode of Kenobi, is anyone working on deep-faking Anakin in the practice-fight scene with Obi-Wan?
Came across this one for anyone interested in how a ‘younger’ Anakin could have looked like in the latest episode - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HL-N2ywWhOw
(another interesting thread EddieDean, by the way)
A few snippets of info. on this particular ‘backstory’ -
Although I’ve already got a very decent mkv file of the current Star Wars Revisited downloaded onto an external hard drive and a USB flashdrive, I checked out darkzip’s upscaled mkv file on my tv earlier today…and the opening title and scroll wording (and everything else of course) looked really good and sharp.
If he sorts out the slight frame rate issues that others have already pointed out, then I’d definitely like to replace my existing mkv file with his upscaled one.
Only just seen this bad news about Moth3r. Sorry to hear about your loss broth3r, and he was certainly missed around here after his absence. Thanks for getting in touch about him.
Man, very sorry to just find out about this.
Just want to add my appreciation here for oojason’s huge contributions to this site which will be useful long into the future. And thanks for your quick responses to any queries I had too. Good luck to you, and thanks again.
Looking back through the entire original post, it seems to invite comments/ideas on a wide range of ground to do with the featured movie or previous edits of it - and while most people will naturally have their own ‘subjective’ views of what they prefer concerning different aspects, I’ll be interested to see everyone’s current thoughts and comments on each of these ongoing topics.
So although I can only offer some of my own preferences when time allows, hopefully there may be an idea or two that others might like amongst them.
As far as what subject to cover next, your ‘Index’ doesn’t necessarily need to be in ‘chronological’ order (or even ‘monthly’), as I’m sure you’ll cover the rest of the prequels, etc. eventually…so mix things up in whatever order makes things easiest for yourself.
EddieDean, I agree with evansj1983’s comments, and found your idea to focus on various movies in the franchise (and TV shows as well eventually?) to be very worthwhile too.
So I hope that you will consider continuing with your proposed ‘Index’ of individual threads, as I think they are a useful addition here, and I especially liked the way you laid out your helpful ‘scene overview’ descriptions for your initial topic concerning The Phantom Menace.
I had hoped to add some things to the first thread in your ‘Index’ within the next few days, and afterwards too eventually. And the same with the rest of your forthcoming threads, when time allowed. I’m sure others would still have things to add on each topic too, after the initial ‘monthly’ conversations have passed. Still, I’ll wait to see what you decide, and thanks for your efforts.
So the final episode of THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT was another uneven mix of highs and lows for me, and I’d find it difficult to re-watch the entire show in it’s existing form again, due to the amount of things that niggled me along the way. However, there were some moments here and there that I really liked too…but it would take a LOT of snipping and rearranging throughout the show to minimise the things that irked me, and to give it a tone more to my own taste overall. For example, a simple thing would be to remove certain moments of Boba’s dialogue, so that he’s less ‘chatty’ and remains more of the ‘silent type’ overall. And trimming some of the 'scooter gang’s dialogue would definitely help too…
It feels like THE MANDALORIAN show’s storyline is completely interlinked with this show now…and vice versa…and fans of Mando and Boba would really need to watch BOTH shows to get a complete insight on events involving these characters. Which was a deliberate intention by Disney’s writers I guess, although I’d prefer to rearrange some of the Mando/Grogu-centric scenes away from THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT’s storyline somewhat. But I’ll wait to see how Season 3 of THE MANDALORIAN pans out, to get a better idea of the way I’d choose to go about that.
It’s a pity that the Tusken tribe was completely wiped out, as I’d liked to have seen them being involved in fighting the Pyke Syndicate alongside Boba and co.
Although I was aware of what the Cad Bane ‘cowboy bounty hunter’ character looked like, he was just an ‘Expanded Universe’-type character I wasn’t invested in, due to never having watched The Clone Wars animated show. However, he fitted in pretty well playing the familiar ‘bad gun-for-hire’ role for this, and came across as an effectively creepy opponent for Boba I thought.
I generally liked a lot of what we saw concerning the Rancor too, although I’d prefer to cut down on the giant ‘Terminator’-like droids and ‘scooter gang’ antics somewhat. I’m curious to see how season 3 OF THE MANDALORIAN is going to start off, now that a ‘Force-trained’ Grogu is back in the mix with Mando.
There’s plenty of ways that THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT could be re-edited, but no matter what, one thing I’d DEFINITELY prefer to change is the way that the show concludes…
While the final scene of ‘Grogu’ getting a joyride in Mando’s ship was a fun moment to end on, I really disliked the overly-‘cuddly’ scenes of Boba and Fennec mingling with the locals down ‘mainstreet’ and meeting with the ‘scooter gang’ as our last moments with them…so I’d DITCH all of that, as there was already a perfect ending for me before that…where we instead have our final scene with Boba showing him killing Cad Bane then walking away…as we then see Mando failing to control the Rancor before ‘Grogu’ subdues it and falls asleep…and the show’s finale eventually ends with the neat scene of Fennec assassinating the syndicate bosses, the corrupt Mayor, and the Pyke leader…as she exits up the steps, and the door closes behind her to darkness…
So that’s the tone I’d prefer to end this show on compared to the existing one, as the music fades down at this point and we then CUT to the ‘Directed by Robert Rodriguez’ end credit, and the end artwork shots begin.
(and then I’d prefer to REPLACE the ‘Cobb Vanth in bacta tank/MOD-ifier guy’ scene with the humorous ‘Grogu getting a joyride in Mando’s ship’ scene before we return to the rest of the end credits)
Some very good points as usual from others around here. Well the 6th episode had some neat moments along the way, but it was yet another mixed bag for me overall.
The ‘cliffhanger’ that this penultimate episode ended on - ‘Grogu’ having to CHOOSE between learning to be a Jedi or rejoining Mando - is going to be the most important indication of how season 3 of THE MANDALORIAN is going to turn out. If ‘Grogu’ decides to stay with Luke, then Mando will be freed up to have adventures on his own without having to worry about having the child around anymore. Perhaps he could end up more like a ‘lone wolf’ kind of character, or perhaps end up with some other form of sidekick partner eventually? Either way, the show might feel refreshed somewhat if it goes down this route.
Additionally. we wouldn’t need to see ‘Grogu’ (or ‘deepfake’ Luke) again if he chooses this option. and the implication would be that ‘Grogu’ MIGHT be one of the students that were eventually massacred by Kylo and his followers in THE LAST JEDI movie… And seeing as Luke is portrayed as being dogmatic about the established Jedi ‘rules’ of ‘attachments’ in this latest episode, it adds weight to him beating himself up so much when we see him in that movie - adding to the impression that when he rails against the dogma of the Jedi order to Rey, he’s actually railing against himself and his own dogmatic ‘teaching’ failures too, and has understandably been brought low and cynical by the deaths it resulted in. Despite disliking the direction that the Sequel Trilogy storyline took with Luke and other characters, there’s a part of me that wishes that Disney and co. would go down this ‘dark’ route, and retire the cutesy character of ‘Grogu’ altogether at this point, to allow for this possible scenario to tie-in with THE LAST JEDI’s ‘training temple’ outcome. Hell, they were content enough to kill off ALL three of our main heroes from the Original Trilogy after all, so why not?
But the kids needn’t worry, as the chances of that happening are ZILCH…because there’s ongoing ‘Grogu’ merchandising to consider, no doubt…and a ‘starfighter’ toy with little Mando and ‘Grogu’ figures in it WOULD look pretty neat I suppose… 😉
During the previous episode, the mechanic Peli Motto made a point of saying that she had ‘hollowed out’ the space where an ‘astromech droid’ would normally fit on Mando’s ‘starfighter’…so as sure as ‘Grogu’ is green, I’m gonna guess that he WON’T end up wanting to be a Jedi after all…and that we will see him merrily whizzing around with Mando once again, come that show’s next season…
I just felt sad for the little guy for being made to ‘choose’ one or the other in the first place…as you just know that he desperately wanted a shot of that little lightsaber!
Anyway, the final episode is also going to determine how good an ending THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT show is getting, and I don’t mind admitting that I’m kinda nervous seeing as it’s another one by Robert Rodriquez! Hopefully he (and the writers) have come up with something better than his 2 previous episodes - the ‘MOD gang’ has been very muted since their initial appearance thankfully, and I just hope he doesn’t go overboard with any involvement they may have in this last episode. Someone on another site wished the youths had been given a more grungy, ‘Mad Max’-look to them and their bikes overall, rather than looking like something from a trendy ‘Coruscant’ fashion show…and I agree.
So we’ll soon find out if this particular show goes out on a high or not…but either way. I reckon that THE MANDALORIAN show in general is now inextricably linked with this one, and that fans of Mando and ‘Grogu’ really need to watch BOTH shows to understand things better - especially if Mando and a ‘chainmail’-wearing ‘Grogu’ start off their next season adventures in the ‘starfighter’. Still, anything could happen in the finale of THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT, so I’ll be watching with interest.
As far as the ‘facial look’ of Luke’s scenes in episode 6 go - although not all of them were 100% convincing, there were some that I thought were truly excellent. And some of the musical moments were really great during those scenes too, I thought. I wonder if these were 'Shamook’s first ‘official’ deepfake efforts since joining Lucasfilm? Some terrific work overall, but having studied those scenes a little more, I reckon I’d prefer to shorten some of them to remove the less effective shots I wasn’t too keen on, while retaining the ones I liked best. It’s pretty straightforward to do it the way I’d like.
In fact, there’s SO MANY potential ways that the entire show could be cut and re-arranged, that I might play around with more sections of it for fun, if the final episode makes it worthwhile for me. For instance, although I showed a possible way to alter the show’s opening scenes more to my liking back on page 10, there’s a very different style of opening I’d prefer to see now - INSTEAD of showing Boba having ‘flashbacks’ in his ‘bacta tank’ right from the off…I quite like the notion of the first episode starting in a much more straightforward, ‘linear’ way before that aspect of the show is introduced…which would involve kicking things off with a drastically cut-down version of Boba’s ‘Sarlacc escape’ which leaves it open-ended about HOW he actually got out…
We begin like this…
…then once the familiar blue wording fades to black, we open with twin suns against a blue sky, as we pan down to a certain desolate part of Tatooine…
…but instead of seeing Boba’s hand burst through the sand, we CUT to hearing heavy breathing from inside a familiar helmet as the music kicks in at this point…and we see an exhausted Boba collapse to the ground, as the music fades down again…
…then things continue normally as per the episode, as we transition to a Sandcrawler coming across Jabba’s barge wreckage at night, as the Jawas then steal Boba’s armour and knock him out…
…and then we continue on as normal, as the Tuskens come across Boba and take him back to their camp as a prisoner…as THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT titles appear…and Boba (who’s now shackled) then gets tormented by a group of young Tuskens, and gets stamped on his head, as everything goes dark…
…and at some point AFTER all this, I’d eventually introduce the fact that Boba is actually having ‘flashbacks’ of his desert experiences from inside a ‘bacta tank’ somewhere inside Jabba’s palace…and would have his first PRESENT DAY storyline ‘flashback’ be the scene of him and Fenec Shand infiltrating Jabba’s palace and killing Bib Fortuna, as he then takes Bib’s throne for himself…before eventually being wakened by Fennec…
But I hope to elaborate on all that and more on another thread someday, and in the meantime, it just remains to be seen if we get any more ‘scooter gang’ antics in the final episode, or not… 😉
IMPORTANT NOTE - if anyone wishes to comment on any of this, please DO NOT re-‘quote’ the entire post. Thanks!
I know it is a cliché, but I think Boba’s character change could’ve been better explained, and been interesting, if he got amnesia while he was in the Sarlacc. I know Legends had this idea that sarlaccs could assimilate the thoughts and memories of their victims, so there could’ve been a lore explanation to it. So when he wakes up in the desert, without his armor, he has no idea who he is or how he really got there. Then he begins living with the Tuskens and the story could play out similarly.
But when he saves Fennec, she recognizes him and reveals him who he is. This would give us an opportunity to have flashbacks of Boba Fett in his prime hunting days, which we’ve actually never seen in live action if you think about it. Boba really doesn’t do much in the OT, so it could’ve been a good opportunity to see where Boba got his reputation as a “cold-blooded killer”, and the greatest bounty hunter in the galaxy.
And more importantly to the narrative, we can see how Boba reacts to the contrast of who he used to be and who he is now, and see how he integrates his new life with his old one.
But I do think the story works well as-is, but I think it would’ve helped if we got a better understanding of who he was before he fell into the pit to understand how the desert really changed him.
Very much agree that a fully fleshed out ‘amnesia’ plot could have been a great way to show some terrific ‘flashback’ moments of Boba’s past ‘bounty hunting’ exploits, as well as better ‘explain’ why he ended up searching the ‘Sarlacc’ for his armour.
As it stands, I just want to great rid of that particular ‘Sarlacc’ sequence altogether, due to it not being clear that he somehow forgot that he DIDN’T emerge from the beast in only his ‘long johns’. A pity, as it was a pretty neat-looking sequence overall. But the notion that he can’t remember that he got out wearing his armour just seems implausible, the way things were shown in the first episode. Luckily, it would be straightforward to remove that scene without impacting on the episode in any way.
The latest 6th episode has thrown up plenty for me to think about too, and I’ll go into some thoughts on that when I have some time soon.
I liked a lot of the Mando-centric episode 5, despite the overly-goofy Peli Motto mechanic dialogue dragging things down for me.
Humour is subjective of course, but I really disliked the nonsense about her having ‘dated a jawa’ in the past. That was the lowest point of the episode for me.
There’s plenty of straightforward ways to trim and re-edit this show into something more to my taste however, so let’s see what the remaining 2 episodes bring…
Isn’t that a Revenge of the Sith deleted scene? If there was one made for Phantom Menace though, I’ll add it in.
Ha ha, forgive me, it is indeed a ROTS deleted scene - I typed that out when I was very tired last night! 😄
I’m trying to present this section from an ‘editor’s perspective’, highlighting the key plot points, structure, character development and interactions, topics of dialogue, scene linkages, references, etc. It’s in as close to original order as possible, with cut scenes placed in roughly the right place. Let me know if there’s anything relevant that I’ve missed.
EddieDean, I look forward to adding a thing or three to your ongoing series of topic threads eventually.
Just a little thing for now, but can you also include a description of the ‘deleted scene’ of Yoda arriving at Dagobah in this one too? - while I have my own firm preference of how I’d like to see it incorporated into a re-edit of the movie, perhaps you could just add it at the bottom of your scene descriptions if you don’t have a preference of your own. It’s not readily obvious where it should go, as there’s optional places to put it if anyone chooses to include it.
EDIT - Doh!, ignore this post everyone…I got very mixed up late last night, and this ISN’T a deleted scene from TPM, lol.
EddieDean, I’ve just come across this excellent ideas/discussion ‘INDEX’ notion that you’ve come up with, and can see that you’ve put a lot of thought and effort into your first topic descriptions which focus on THE PHANTOM MENACE movie initially.
Great stuff, and you’re laying things out very comprehensively which will prove useful as this progresses.
I look forward to seeing what gets posted on each of your individual topic threads eventually, and hope to add a few of my own ‘personally subjective’ thoughts and ideas at some point, when time allows.
Thanks for your time and efforts with this - oojason will approve, I’m sure! 😃
I presume Boba suffered from some oxygen starvation and his memory of escaping the Sarlacc was swiss cheesed as a result. There may have not have been much air left in that dead trooper’s suit to begin with.
Indeed SilverWook, that’s the only kinda explanation that makes any sense of the existing footage in this show, if I were to re-watch it.
But I’d prefer to have Boba’s ‘escape’ footage look more ‘open-ended’ like I showed on page 10, giving the impression of ‘complete exhaustion’ after he got out ‘somehow’…and just stick with seeing the way he got his armour back in THE MANDALORIAN show, after the jawas initially stole it off him.
Knight of Kalee said:
Unfortunately it seems Robert Rodriguez directed three episodes so there’s one left among the upcoming three.
Unless he improves on his disappointing first 2 outings…then I sure hope he’s not doing the final one…especially if he heavily features some ‘scooter gang’ antics again…
Well, after the underwhelming 3rd episode, this 4th one turned out to be a big improvement for me overall. In fact, things are building nicely with Boba’s more ‘thoughtful’ persona at this point, as something was addressed that had been bothering me so far - because we finally got a sense of his current motivations, which explained WHY he was giving up the ‘bounty hunting’ game to attempt to take over Jabba’s/Bib Fortuna’s position in the first place. And he and Fennec Shand had some pretty good team-building together in this one.
In fact, I liked a LOT of moments in this latest episode, including some neat stuff involving one of my favourite ship designs from the Original Trilogy…Boba’s ‘Slave I’…and it was very satisfying to see PLENTY of action involving it.
I also liked the set-piece with the ‘Sarlacc’, as the shots of it’s innards were greatly improved compared to the gloopy, rubbery mess with the stormtrooper in the 1st episode…EXCEPT this entire scene of Boba looking for his armour INSIDE the ‘Sarlacc’ seemed ridiculous seeing as he was conscious when wearing it to escape in the 1st episode, before he collapsed in the sand. Did he somehow forget he had it on when he got out? And did he also forget about the jawas taking it off him when he ‘reacted’ to them before they knocked him out too? Did he somehow think he just got out in his ‘long johns’? - so as much as it was quite a neat sequence overall, I would definitely REMOVE it for any re-edit of the episode. There were plenty of other good scenes involving the ship anyway, so I wouldn’t miss losing this section one bit to make things more plausible.
However, this episode was nicely cinematic overall, and some of the shots of the exterior of Jabba’s/Boba’s palace were very well done indeed. And that little ‘rat-catcher’ droid was right up my street when it first appeared too.
But I could have done without the graffiti-covered MOD-ification shop where Fennec got her life saved, as I’m really not liking the whole ‘Inspector Gadget’-angle for the local youths who look more suited to an episode of Star Trek…nor their blinged up scooters. - so I would ALSO REMOVE that entire scene and it’s annoying music altogether, and just show the night-time scene in the desert where Fennec recovers beside the campfire, as Boba simply TELLS her what he had done to her to save her life.
All in all though, I’m a lot more invested in this show again after this episode, and I hope that continues to be the case.