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#1304925
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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Depheros said:

A few comparisons:

Opening logos
Opening shot
Tatooine sky changed (sand reverted to pre-2004)
Desert shots
All R2 rocks changed
Sandcrawler shot doesn’t change in brightness like in the old SE
Binary Sunset
Ghost Luke error removed & fly removed from the next shot
Tractor beam matte painting
Lightsabers
Jabba scene transitions redone ('97 Jabba’s tail no longer visible for a few frames)

Thanks for showing these comparisons Depheros, as it’s quite an eye-opener to see how much the O.T.'s re-grading was boosted for the 2004 dvd/2011 blu-ray releases overall. It’s frustrating to think that this was the case for the last 15 years, and at least things have reverted back to a more ‘natural’-looking colour for the ‘Special Editions’ now.

Pleased to see that the opening Tantive IV/Stardestroyer scene actually has redder lasers again (and presumably greener ones too), compared to the strangely washed-out ones in the existing version.

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#1304853
Topic
4K restoration on Star Wars
Time

As someone who disliked the fact that too many viewers of the Original Trilogy ended up having to watch the dreadful re-colouration of the 2004 dvd and 2011 blu-ray ‘Special Editions’ over the years…I’m somewhat heartened to know that future viewers of DISNEY+ will at least see better-coloured versions going forward.

Of course, they’ll still be subjected to plenty of dubious additions throughout, but it’s SOMETHING I guess.


SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

  • Why the extra Greedo dialogue?! It’s not even subtitled! What is he supposed to be saying to Han? How does this enhance the scene? AAAND we all know it’s obviously the PREVIOUS shot just zoomed in-…plus, the removal of the dude walking by on the right. They didn’t even remove the bit of light that is visible to the immediate right of Greedos face that disappears as the dude passes by in front of a light.

Good grief! So George went back and had a final tinker with the Han/Greedo shoot-out before things changed hands with Disney…and STILL flubbed the opportunity to just revert things back to their much better original layout…

Greedo’s ludicrous “MACLUNKEY!” line sounds as bad as Han’s ridiculous ‘head-swerve’ looks…so I had a go at slightly amending how George’s ‘definitive’ version of the scene might have sounded if he’d NOT included that line at all!

If you just ignore the way the subtitles are chopped up now, and play these snippets one-after-another, it will give a rough idea of how he could have concocted a similar scene with Greedo’s existing dialogue instead. It would STILL have looked as bad overall, but Greedo might not have sounded quite so laughable this way -

George’s new version - https://streamable.com/k1sca

Slightly altered version of it -

  1. https://streamable.com/1c3w7

  2. https://streamable.com/em59d

  3. https://streamable.com/5av3n

  4. https://streamable.com/3n4u4

Anyway, although I’ll check out the better colouration on these out of curiousity one day, that doesn’t make up for the other ‘creative choices’ they still contain…and while it’s nice to know that mattes etc. blend in better now, and that DISNEY+ viewers will get to see Vader with a consistently red lightsaber as opposed to a pink one every now and then, I’ll still be sticking with adywan’s versions for my own future viewings, thanks…and get the shoot-out just the way I like it too. 😃


CaptRex said:

DominicCobb said:

Something I’m curious about is if Disney+ has multiple versions of any film. The best way to check in my mind would be to see what they have for Avatar.

For Avatar they have two versions Theatrical and Theatrical with Family Friendly Audio. Alas, no Extended Edition (which is my preferred version of the film)

Well that’s a pity, as I’ll never watch a version of AVATAR again which doesn’t include the neat establishing ‘Future Earth’ set-up first.

I’d also be interested to know what versions of ALIEN and ALIENS are available on the service too. Now if only Disney would revert back to the pre-Blu-ray colouration for those as well! 😉


joefavs said:

Just got home and I’m taking a look at the rest of the movies now. I imagine this has already been noted, but I’m just realizing that while the Fox fanfare remains for all of them, the green-to-gold Lucasfilm logo animation has been swapped out for the silver Disney-era version.

Now that’s interesting. I hope it’s the bigger version of the silver LUCASFILM logo, as opposed to the tiddly little one seen in ROGUE ONE. I know adywan ended up using the silver logo for his EMPIRE STRIKES BACK REVISITED HD opening, which quite suited it’s tone…but I’m not sure if he’s sticking with that for his final versions of A NEW HOPE and RETURN OF THE JEDI too, or using the more colourful logo for those instead.

I’m really pleased that the 20th Century Fox logo and fanfare has been retained, rather than just using the shortened new fanfare over the LUCASFILM logo…which is what I thought they were going with.

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#1304580
Topic
<em>The Mandalorian</em> - <em><strong>SPOILER THREAD</strong></em>
Time

Thanks for the confirmation CarboniteSolo. I’m okay with that, but have a nagging urge to add the blue wording to the start of that first episode one day. 😃

However, the show sounds like it’s off to a great start from your description…and I just hope those ‘easter eggs’ are subtle rather than obtrusive.

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#1304388
Topic
<em>The Mandalorian</em> - <em><strong>SPOILER THREAD</strong></em>
Time

I really hope you’re right Dom. Not long now before we all find out.

Oh, and if it IS included, I hope it’s the original LARGER version of the wording I posted above, rather than the smaller font version which appeared later -

(although it would be neat if it even ended up going from larger to smaller in the same ‘receding away from us’ kind of way as the STAR WARS movie titles were done)

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#1304384
Topic
<em>The Mandalorian</em> - <em><strong>SPOILER THREAD</strong></em>
Time

Just a couple of quick thoughts before this thing airs.

I’m really liking the design for the main character’s ship, and love the way that the IG-11 droid has been realised.

But I wonder how the opening intro. for this show is going to be handled? - will it include credits for it’s featured cast during some theme music, for instance?

But whether it turns out to have a great new theme or not…I’m hoping that this show (as well as the future ones) will include this iconic blue wording, no-matter-what -

We don’t get DISNEY+ here in the U.K. until sometime next year, but from the little I’ve seen so far, I’m certainly onboard for this one.

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#1303606
Topic
THE STAR WARS 'SAGA' RETOLD, from a certain point of view...
Time

5th POST

Okay, although my ideal ending of REVENGE OF THE SITH involves the layout I showed in my previous descriptions, due to the fact that I’d rather include certain imagery of Darth Vader ( SILENT! ) in the suit…some of you might be interested to see what I ORIGINALLY wanted as an ending when I briefly toyed with the notion of starting my ‘viewing order’ with the PREQUEL TRILOGY ages ago, until I decided against it for the numerous reasons I’ve previously mentioned.

I’ve got to pick a spot to show how things would have flowed, so this point is as good as any…and of course, EVERYTHING BEFORE this scene would have been laid out in the exact same way as described in my previous posts, but without the A NEW HOPE footage at the beginning -

…and then we continue on as normal, as Obi-wan carries Padme down the ramp of her ship, and Bail says "WE’LL TAKE HER TO THE MEDICAL CENTRE, QUICKLY!"

…and we end on this shot -

…and then we CUT* to the Emperor ship’s on a stormy Coruscant platform, as he accompanies Anakin’s medical capsule -

…and we end on this shot -

NOTE - I’d discard the shot of the Emperor’s ship coming in to land on the Coruscant building’s platform before the shot above…as I’ve already seen it fold it’s wings and land on Mustafar earlier anyway, and would just prefer to see the Emperor disembarking with the medical capsule instead, as I like it’s juxtaposition with the shot of everyone getting off Padme’s ship beforehand - CLICK HERE

…and then we CUT* to Padme being attended to in the medical facility, as a medical droid says “…WE ARE LOSING HER” -

…and we end on this shot -

…and then we continue on as normal, as Obi-wan says SHE’S DYING?" -

…and we end on this shot -

…and then we CUT* to the medical droid saying “WE NEED TO OPERATE QUICKLY, IF WE ARE TO SAVE THE BABIES” -

…and we end on this shot -

…and then we CUT* to Yoda as he takes in the situation -

…and we end on this shot -

…and then we CUT* to the medical droid saying “SHE’S CARRYING TWINS” -

…and we end on this shot -

NOTE - I wanted to get rid of the ‘she’s lost the will to live’ nonsense of course, and I had already put together a version of all the medical facility shots and dialogue which I preferred, and included it here…UNTIL I remembered that someone mentioned in the past that R2D2 shouldn’t really have interacted with Yoda at any point…as they don’t seem to recognise each other when they meet on ‘Dagobah’ in THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK! Well this bugged me, as I agree with that…and as far as I recall, this is the only instance we actually see them together throughout the PREQUELS…so while it was a pity to lose shots of the neat medical set, it was more important to me to smooth the continuity better for myself, and I ended up having to redo the whole sequence WITHOUT any of the shots of C3PO and R2D2 inside the actual medical facility with Yoda and Co. …and very luckily, there was just enough of the relevant dialogue in the shots without them to make a new sequence I was satisfied with…without having any continuity issues with the medical droid’s arms or the aliens behind it. 😃

…and then we CUT* to Obi-wan looking solemn, as he walks over to look through the glass -

…and puts his hand over his mouth, and we end on this shot -

…and then we CUT* to Anakin on an operating table, as medical droids attach metal legs to him -

…as he screams in agony…

…and we end on this shot -

…and then we CUT* to Padme’s head moving slightly, as she exhales her final breath -

…as she passes away, and we end on this shot -

NOTE - Yes, Padme remains done for in this alternative version too…but she managed to hold out long enough for the medical facility to save her twins, so that’s good. And it also means I can keep the funeral procession scenes which I like. I’d prefer for Padme to be fatally damaged by what Anakin did to her on Mustafar, and unable to say anything before she dies…as it’s all I need to see of her since we last saw her being attended to in the medical facility as shown above, since I’d rather discard all the child-birth moments in-between! 😃

…which happens to include getting rid of this shot where R2D2 and Yoda were seen together too - CLICK HERE

…and then we continue on as normal, as Obi-wan looks on distressed while holding one of her babies -

…and Yoda turns away sadly, and we end on this shot -

…and then we CUT* to the Tantive ship arriving at Naboo -

…and we end on this shot -

…and then we continue on as normal, as Yoda discusses the twins with Bail and Obi-wan aboard the Tantive ship -

…as they agree that the twins should be separated for their safety, before Yoda says “UNTIL THE TIME IS RIGHT, DISAPPEAR WE WILL”, and they bow in respect and go to leave, and we end on this shot -

NOTE - I’d discard the rest of the sequence which appears at this point, where Yoda tells Obi-wan that he has training on Tattooine for him, and that Qui-gon has returned from the netherworld of the Force, and that he will teach him how to commune with him…as I’m just not keen on it personally, and don’t need every single ‘loose end’ explained away. And anyway, there might even be a ‘surprise’ appearance of Qui-gon’s ‘Forceghost’ at the end of THE RISE OF SKYWALKER somewhere for all we know…so I can wait until then to see him appear as one, if that’s the case. 😉

…and then we CUT* to Padme’s sombre funeral procession on Naboo -

…as we have our final look at Luke and Leia’s mother -

…and we end on this shot -

…and then we CUT* to Yoda’s transport heading to ‘Dagobah’, as he goes into self-imposed exile -

NOTE - This deleted ‘Dagobah’ scene actually begins with a slow pan to the left of the planet BEFORE Yoda’s transport comes into view on the right of the shot, although I couldn’t find a pic of it…but I’m including a clip link below this as a reminder of how it looks and sounds in motion.

…as his transport lands, then opens up -

…and Yoda looks out -

…and we end on this shot -

Here’s the clip - CLICK HERE

…and then we CUT* to the Tantive ship heading to Alderaan -

…and we end on this shot -

NOTE - I’d discard this shot of the Tantive ship heading down into the city which appears at this point, as I’m just not keen on it personally - CLICK HERE

…and then we CUT* to the Tantive ship landing on a platform in the city -

…and we end on this shot -

…and then we CUT* to the Tantive ship’s interior, as Bail prepares to leave, and tells Captain Antilles to wipe C3PO’s memory -

…as a startled C3PO says “WHAT?” -

…and R2D2 beeps in amusement -

…as C3PO nervously says “OH NO…” -

…and we end on this shot -

…and then we CUT* to a large balcony on Alderaan -

…and we end on this shot -

…and then we continue on as normal, as Senator Bail presents his wife with a baby girl -

…and we end on this shot -

NOTE - Because I’ve tried to give the impression that Padme didn’t recover to name her twins herself before she died, I’m going to assume that it was actually their respective adoptive parents who named the babies themselves.

…and then we continue on as normal, as we see the baby girl’s face -

…and we end on this ‘wipe’ shot to Obi-wan on Tattooine -

…as Obi-wan dismounts -

…and then meets up with Beru -

…as he hands the baby over to her -

…and we see the baby boy’s face -

…as Beru smiles -

…and Obi-wan smiles back at her -

…as Beru turns to take the baby over to Owen -

…while Obi-wan watches them for a moment, then turns to leave -

…as Beru shows Owen the baby -

…and they both turn to look in the distance -

…as they watch familiar twin suns, before we conclude on this ‘wipe’ shot to the end credits -

So that’s how I’d have chosen to keep Darth Vader’s suited appearance unseen and voice unheard for myself, UNTIL his usual first entrance in A NEW HOPE…had I decided to start a saga ‘viewing order’ with the PREQUEL TRILOGY first.

NEXT UP, I’ll describe my proposed NEW OPENING for ROGUE ONE sometime over the next couple of weeks.

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#1303371
Topic
THE STAR WARS 'SAGA' RETOLD, from a certain point of view...
Time

4th POST

Of all the things I hoped to alter in the PREQUEL TRILOGY, the biggest question mark for me was whether it was possible to overhaul the entire multi-strand ENDING of REVENGE OF THE SITH in a way which satisfied me…as it meant having to deal with a WHOLE HEAP OF MOMENTS that I didn’t particularly care for in the existing version.

So here’s my proposed NEW ENDING for REVENGE OF THE SITH which I’d like to see…to conclude the PREQUEL TRILOGY’s ‘backstory/flashback’ storyline in a certain way which would feature MUCH LESS dialogue and a MUCH MORE uninterrupted flow of John Williams’ evocative soundtrack music to end things on…

…but this has ended up being the LONGEST post I’ll ever need to make on this thread, as I wanted to cover the entire last 1 hr. 6 mins. of the movie ( ! ) …so I ended up having to include a helluva lot of screenshots to get the flow of all this across properly, otherwise my changes might have been a little choppy and confusing to follow overall I reckon, so please bear with it when you have enough time…

…and as before, I’ll put an ‘asterix’ beside the word ‘CUT’ to indicate every time I’m showing a completely new cut that’s different from how things appear in the actual movie…and will use the words ‘and then we continue on as normal’ to indicate where a scene transitions into the next scene as it currently does -

WE START OFF at the point where Anakin and Obi-wan BEGIN their lightsaber duel -

…as Anakin backflips to attack Obi-wan furiously -

…and we end on this shot -

…and then we continue on as normal, as Yoda enters a room to confront the Emperor -

…then proceeds to knock out two red guards with the ‘Force’, before the Emperor zaps him with some ‘Force-lightning’ -

…and we end on this shot -

…and then we continue on as normal, as Anakin and Obi-wan continue their duel -

…before they eventually enter the control room filled with the bodies of those that Anakin killed earlier -

…as they hit a control panel, and we end on this shot -

…and then we continue on as normal, as the cackling Emperor slowly walks towards Yoda lying on the floor, and eventually says “AT LAST, THE JEDI ARE NO MORE” -

…before Yoda gets up saying “NOT IF ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT IT, I HAVE” -

…and ‘Force-pushes’ him backwards through the air across the room, and we end on this shot -

NOTE - I’d discard the shot of the Emperor knocking over the chair which appears at this point, as I’d like to keep him as menacing as possible throughout the PREQUEL TRILOGY…and this just makes him look silly! 😃 - CLICK HERE

…and then we CUT* to Yoda saying “AT AN END YOUR RULE IS…” -

…as the Emperor gets up -

…and Yoda says “…AND NOT SHORT ENOUGH IT WAS” -

…as the Emperor starts to move forwards -

…and leaps towards the doorway -

NOTE - Another reason why I’d discard the shot of the Emperor falling over his chair is because…the chair is suddenly UPRIGHT again during this shot! Perhaps the Emperor quickly ‘Force’-manoeuvred’ it back into position ‘offscreen’ before he jumped towards Yoda, who knows? 😉 - CLICK HERE

…as Yoda jumps in his way to stop him leaving -

…and they begin duelling near a central platform -

…as the Emperor snarls, and we end on this shot -

NOTE - I’d discard the entire sequence which appears at this point, where Anakin chokes Obi-wan as they continue to duel on top of a long table in an adjoining room…because I’m just not keen on it personally - CLICK HERE

Additionally, I’d ALSO discard the majority of their later follow-up duelling sequence too - CLICK HERE …to get rid of all the ‘twirly-whirly’ lightsaber action / mutual ‘Force-pushing’ / and Anakin’s silly-looking ‘leap across the hologram table’ antics before a control panel is struck…as luckily for my purposes, a control panel had also been struck in the final shot of their EARLIER sequence together too, so it’s possible to continue the duel here in a way I much prefer.

…and then we CUT* to a close-up of a monitor showing the large structure’s ‘protective shield’ starting to shut down -

…while an ominous-sounding alarm goes off -

…as Anakin and Obi-wan continue their duel out a doorway -

…before Anakin kicks Obi-wan backwards and strides determinedly towards him, and we end on this shot -

…and then we CUT* to Yoda and the Emperor continuing their duel, as the central platform begins to rise up through the room’s opening ceiling -

…and continues to rise up -

…and continues to rise up even more -

…as Yoda and the Emperor continue to duel furiously -

…and we end on this shot -

NOTE - I’d discard the close-up of the somewhat silly look on the Emperor’s face which appears at this point - CLICK HERE

…and then we CUT* to this close-up of Yoda -

…while the duel continues on -

…as the Emperor snarls, and we end on this shot -

…and then we CUT* to Obi-wan jumping backwards onto a long pipe -

…as Anakin follows him, and they duel precariously along the pipe -

…as Obi-wan jumps down onto the structure below, followed by Anakin, where they continue their duel -

…and we end on this shot -

…and then we CUT* to Yoda leaping down onto a circular platform -

…as his duel with the Emperor continues inside the Senate building, where the Emperor ‘Force-throws’ large circular platforms at Yoda who sends one back at him, before the Emperor jumps down and attacks him with his ‘Force-lightning’ -

…as ‘Force-lightning’ reflects in Yoda’s eyes, and we end on this shot -

NOTE - I’d also discard the close-up of the somewhat silly look on the Emperor’s face which appears at this point too! - CLICK HERE

…and then we CUT* to Yoda and the Emperor both ‘Force-pushing’ each other back -

…as the Emperor manages to hold onto the circlular platform, but Yoda ends up falling near an access tube far below -

…as Yoda’s cloak ends up floating down before getting caught on some wreckage, and we end on this shot -

…and then we CUT* to Anakin and Obi-wan continuing their duel along a huge extending structure, before it breaks off due to a lava burst -

…as the huge structure drifts off slowly on the lava flow, and we end on this shot -

…and then we CUT* to Yoda crawling inside an access tube -

…as he talks into a communicator and says “HURRY, CAREFUL TIMING WE WILL NEED”, and we end on this shot -

…and then we continue on as normal, as Senator Bail replies “ACTIVATE YOUR HOMING BEACON WHEN YOU’RE READY” -

…as he flies through the Coruscant traffic, and we end on this shot -

…and then we CUT* to Yoda emerging out of the access tube, as he flips a handle to open a hatch, and he jumps down into Bail’s hovering transport below him -

…as Bail flies off, and we end on this shot -

NOTE - I’d discard Yoda saying “INTO EXILE, I MUST GO” at this point…as I’d prefer for him to only decide to do that when he says “UNTIL THE TIME IS RIGHT, DISAPPEAR WE WILL” in his later discussion with Bail and Obi-wan about the twins.

…and then we CUT* to Yoda saying “FAILED I HAVE” -

…as Bail veers round and flies away to safety -

…and we end on this shot -

…and then we CUT* to a trooper on a circular platform saying “THERE’S NO SIGN OF THE BODY SIR” -

…as the Emperor tells him to double his search, and orders that his shuttle be prepared for immediate take-off, as he eventually says “I SENSE LORD VADER IS IN DANGER”, and we end on this shot -

…and then we CUT* to the huge structure drifting along on the lava flow, as Anakin and Obi-wan continue their duel -

…before Obi-wan sees the danger ahead -

NOTE - So now we come to one of the sequences I wanted to change the MOST for this ending…where the Anakin vs Obi-wan duel ended up being a truly over-excessive mess for me here, as they jumped onto small ‘Force’-controlled platforms, and continued their duel by ‘lava surfing’ in the opposite direction of the lava flow - CLICK HERE

Although I’ve ended up having to lose a large chunk of John Williams’ epic choral score for the sake of this alteration, I’m content to settle for a portion of it that is heard in the lead-up to this point…and while I’ve had to compromise a little with how things look and sound in this next scenario overall, the Anakin vs Obi-wan duel has already been epic and gone on long enough for me, so I’d much prefer to see things play out like this instead of the existing ‘lava surfing’ antics at this point -

…and we continue on as normal, as Obi-wan leaps off from the side the huge structure -

…and we end on this shot -

…and then we CUT* to the close-up of Anakin immediately preparing to follow him -

…and we end on this shot -

…and then we CUT* to Obi-wan somersaulting down to safety -

…as he lands on firm ground, then turns around -

…and we end on this shot -

NOTE - I’d discard Obi-wan’s initial sideways movement from this shot, so that it looks more like he’s somersaulted DOWNWARDS from the huge structure instead - CLICK HERE

…and then we CUT* to Anakin leaping off the huge structure towards Obi-wan -

…and we end on this shot -

…and then we CUT* to Obi-wan looking up as we hear Anakin’s angry yell -

…as Anakin somersaults downwards towards him, and Obi-wan finally strikes him down -

…and we continue on as normal, as Anakin slides down the slope close to the edge of the lava flow -

…and we end on this shot -

…and then we continue on as normal, as Obi-wan looks down -

…and we end on this shot -

NOTE - I’m content NOT to see the huge structure go over the edge of the lavafall during this new sequence, as it’s just an unimportant aspect which happens ‘offscreen’ in this proposal instead…and including any of it would just get in the way of the flow of the shocking outcome which just happened, as we are focused on the dramatic conclusion of the Anakin/Obi-wan personal tragedy now.

Additionally, I’d also discard this shot of Anakin which appears at this point, as it always seems to me as if he’s a bit further away from the edge of the lava than where he slid down to before - CLICK HERE

…and then we CUT* to Obi-wan turning his lightsaber off -

…as he looks down at Anakin, and we end on this shot -

…and we continue on as normal, as Anakin glares up at him -

…and we end on this shot -

…and we continue on as normal, as an anguished Obi-wan shouts “YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE!..” -

…before saying “…IT WAS SAID YOU WOULD DESTROY THE SITH, NOT JOIN THEM!..”, and we end on this shot -

…and then we continue on as normal, as Anakin struggles on the ground while Obi-wan’s voice continues “…BRING BALANCE TO THE FORCE…” -

…and we end on this shot -

…and then we continue on as normal, as Obi-wan says “…NOT LEAVE IT IN DARKNESS!” -

…and we end on this shot -

NOTE - I’d originally intended to try and remove all references to ‘THE CHOSEN ONE’ in the PREQUELS, but I’m now content to go along with that notion…so long as I get rid of Shmi’s talk of giving birth to Anakin WITHOUT a father in THE PHANTOM MENACE! Also, I particularly like Obi-wan’s dialogue about it in the scene above, and there’s a chance that ‘THE CHOSEN ONE’ aspect might carry through into THE RISE OF SKYWALKER too, so there’s that as well.

…and then we continue on as normal, as Anakin groans in pain, and Obi-wan walks up to retrieve Anakin’s lightsaber -

…before turning around to look down, and we end on this shot -

NOTE - I’d discard the first half of the shot which appears at this point, where Anakin screams “I HATE YOU!”…as it just comes across as silly and petulant to me - CLICK HERE

…and then we CUT* to Anakin struggling on the ground -

…and we end on this shot -

NOTE - I’d discard this shot of Obi-wan saying “YOU WERE MY BROTHER ANAKIN, I LOVED YOU” which appears at this point, as I’d prefer to end on his anguished words earlier - CLICK HERE

Additionally, I’d also get rid of this shot of Anakin struggling which then appears at this point, as I’d prefer to end on the slightly longer shot of him struggling above - CLICK HERE

…and then we CUT* to Anakin’s legs, as his clothing catches fire -

…and we end on this shot -

…and then we continue on as normal, as Obi-wan looks down at Anakin screaming in agony -

…and we end on this shot -

NOTE - I’d discard this shot of Anakin screaming in agony which appears at this point, as I’m just not keen on it personally, and there’s plenty of screaming in agony to go around as it is! - CLICK HERE

…and then we CUT* to Obi-wan turning his gaze away -

…and we end on this shot -

…and then we continue on as normal, as Anakin screams in agony as the fire spreads over him -

…then totally engulfs him, and we end on this shot -

…and then we continue on as normal, as Anakin burns and screams -

…and we end on this shot -

…and then we continue on as normal, as Obi-wan turns to look again -

…and we end on this shot -

…and then we continue on as normal, as a badly burned Anakin screams in agony -

…and we end on this shot -

…and then we continue on as normal, as Obi-wan starts to walk away -

…and we end on this shot -

…and then we continue on as normal, as Anakin screams in agony as Obi-wan leaves -

…and we end on this shot -

At this point, here’s a few individual snippets to give a decent idea of how this would all look and sound overall, if you play them one after another -

1st Part - CLICK HERE - (Duel before the lavafall, then Obi-wan leaps off the huge structure)

2nd Part - CLICK HERE - (Anakin prepares to follow immediately)

3rd Part - CLICK HERE - (Obi-wan somersaults down and lands, then turns around)

4th Part - CLICK HERE - (Anakin leaps off the huge structure towards Obi-wan)

5th Part - CLICK HERE - (Anakin yells as he somersaults downwards, as Obi-wan strikes him down, and he slips down the slope)

6th Part - CLICK HERE - (Obi-wan switches off his lightsaber, as he shouts at Anakin, then picks up Anakin’s lightsaber)

7th Part - CLICK HERE - (Anakin struggles on the ground)

8th Part - CLICK HERE - (Anakin’s legs catch fire)

9th Part - CLICK HERE - (Obi-wan looks away as fire engulfs Anakin, and Obi-leaves)

…and then we continue on as normal, as Obi-wan emerges towards R2D2, and C3PO informs him that he has Padme aboard the ship -

…and we end on this shot -

…and then we continue on as normal, as Padme lies unconscious, and Obi-wan gently places his hand on her shoulder -

…and we end on this shot -

NOTE - I’d discard the shot of Padme opening her eyes, and saying “OBI-WAN…IS ANAKIN ALRIGHT?” which appears at this point - CLICK HERE …as I’d prefer to end her dialogue at the point Anakin ‘Force-choked’ her earlier.

Additionaly, I’d ALSO discard Obi-wan gently touching Padme’s cheek with the back of his hand, as well as the shot of him looking down at her which appears just afterwards too - CLICK HERE

…and then we CUT* to Obi-wan taking his hand off Padme’s shoulder and walking away -

…as R2D2 whistles sadly, and we end on this shot -

…and then we continue on as normal, as Padme’s ship takes off -

…and flies away from Mustafar, as we end on this shot -

…and then we continue on as normal, as C3PO pilots the ship, and Obi-wan looks very troubled -

…and we end on this shot -

…and then we continue on as normal, as a metal hand slowly pulls on the ground -

…and we end on this shot -

NOTE - I’d REMOVE this shot of Anakin slowly crawling up the slope which appears at this point - CLICK HERE …so that it can be reused to REPLACE another shot of him a little later on.

…and then we CUT* to Anakin slowly crawling up the slope, as a large shadow passes over him -

…and we end on this shot -

…and then we continue on as normal, as the large shadow turns out to be from the Emperor’s shuttle as it flies past -

…before it folds up it’s wings as it lands on a platform, and we end on this shot -

NOTE - I’d discard this shot of Anakin looking up as we hear a trooper’s voice saying “YOUR MAJESTY, THIS WAY” which appears at this point, as I’m just not keen on it personally - CLICK HERE …and I’d REPLACE it with the shot I removed earlier, as I’d prefer to keep Anakin’s facial burns more indistinct from this point on.

…and then we CUT* to Anakin slowly crawling up the slope as he groans -

…and we end on this shot -

…and then we CUT* to the Emperor accompanied by two troopers, as he points and announces "THERE HE IS…HE’S STILL ALIVE…"

…and we end on this shot -

…and then we continue on as normal, as Anakin slowly rolls onto his back -

…and we end on this shot -

…and then we continue on as normal, as the Emperor orders “GET A MEDICAL CAPSULE IMMEDIATELY!” -

…as a trooper says “YES SIR, RIGHT AWAY”, before both troopers leave, and we end on this shot -

…and then we continue on as normal, as the Emperor slowly walks over to Anakin, and kneels down to touch his head -

…and we end on this shot -

…and then we continue on as normal, as we ‘wipe’ to two spacesuited aliens looking down on a planetoid base -

…and we end on this shot -

NOTE - I’d discard the close-up shot of Yoda with his eyes closed which appears at this point, as I’m just not keen on it personally - CLICK HERE

…and then we CUT* to Yoda being interrupted by Bail as he says “EXCUSE ME MASTER YODA…”, as Yoda opens his eyes and turns around -

…and then we continue on as normal, as Bail says “…OBI-WAN KENOBI HAS MADE CONTACT” -

…and we end on this shot -

…and then we continue on as normal, as Padme’s ship arrives at the planetoid base -

…and we end on this shot -

…and then we continue on as normal, as Padme’s ship drops down to land inside the planetoid base -

…and we end on this shot -

…and then we continue on as normal, as Obi-wan carries Padme down the ramp of her ship, and Bail says "WE’LL TAKE HER TO THE MEDICAL CENTRE, QUICKLY!"

…and we end on this shot -

…and then we CUT* to the Emperor ship’s on a stormy Coruscant platform, as he accompanies Anakin’s medical capsule -

…and we end on this shot -

NOTE - I’d discard the shot of the Emperor’s ship coming in to land on the Coruscant building’s platform before the shot above…as I’ve already seen it fold it’s wings and land on Mustafar earlier anyway, and would just prefer to see the Emperor disembarking with the medical capsule instead, as I like it’s juxtaposition with the shot of everyone getting off Padme’s ship beforehand - CLICK HERE

…and then we CUT* to Anakin on an operating table, as medical droids attach metal legs to him -

…as he screams in agony…

…and we end on this shot -

…and then we CUT* to Padme being attended to in the medical facility, as a medical droid says “…WE ARE LOSING HER” -

…and we end on this shot -

…and then we continue on as normal, as Obi-wan says “SHE’S DYING?” -

…and we end on this shot -

…and then we CUT* to the medical droid saying “WE NEED TO OPERATE QUICKLY, IF WE ARE TO SAVE THE BABIES” -

…and we end on this shot -

…and then we CUT* to Yoda as he takes in the situation -

…and we end on this shot -

…and then we CUT* to the medical droid saying “SHE’S CARRYING TWINS” -

…and we end on this shot -

NOTE - I wanted to get rid of the ‘she’s lost the will to live’ nonsense of course, and I had already put together a version of all the medical facility shots and dialogue which I preferred, and included it here…UNTIL I remembered that someone mentioned in the past that R2D2 shouldn’t really have interacted with Yoda at any point…as they don’t seem to recognise each other when they meet on ‘Dagobah’ in THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK! Well this bugged me, as I agree with that…and as far as I recall, this is the only instance we actually see them together throughout the PREQUELS…so while it was a pity to lose shots of the neat medical set, it was more important to me to smooth the continuity better for myself, and I ended up having to redo the whole sequence WITHOUT any of the shots of C3PO and R2D2 inside the actual medical facility with Yoda and Co. …and very luckily, there was just enough of the relevant dialogue in the shots without them to make a new sequence I was satisfied with…without having any continuity issues with the medical droid’s arms or the aliens behind it. 😃

…and then we CUT* to Obi-wan looking solemn, as he walks over to look through the glass -

…and puts his hand over his mouth, and we end on this shot -

…and then we CUT* to Anakin in a protective suit, as the faceplate section of his helmet is swung towards him -

…as it starts to lower, and we end on this shot -

NOTE - I’d discard the initial shot of Anakin on the table, as I’m just not keen on it personally…as his boots have got metal clamps around them, and I don’t want to include any shots of him being restrained in any way - CLICK HERE

…and the reason I don’t want to see him restrained on the table in any way is because…I’d rather not be reminded of his whole ‘FRANKEN-VADER’ sequence with the Emperor whatsever! - CLICK HERE

…and then we continue on as normal, as the faceplate continues to lower slowly -

…and we end on this shot -

NOTE - I’d discard this shot of Anakin’s burnt face which appears at this point, because I’m just not keen on it personally - CLICK HERE …and although I reckon that joining the two slightly different faceplate shots would work okay in motion for myself, I’d just discard the first shot and only use the second one with the red eyepieces throughout, if it’s too jarring.

…and then we CUT* to the faceplate slowly getting nearer -

…and we end on this shot -

…and then we continue on as normal, as the faceplate is fitted in place -

…and the top section of the helmet is attached, as we hear Darth Vader’s first rasping breath, and we end on this shot -

…and then we CUT* to Padme’s head moving slightly, as she exhales her final breath -

…as she passes away, and we end on this shot -

NOTE - Yes, Padme remains done for in my ideal version…but she managed to hold out long enough for the medical facility to save her twins, so that’s good. And it also means I can keep the funeral procession scenes which I like. I’d prefer for Padme to be fatally damaged by what Anakin did to her on Mustafar, and unable to say anything before she dies…and I really like the juxtaposition between this shot of her breathing her last and the shot of Darth Vader’s mask breathing for the first time beforehand…as it’s all I need to see of Padme since we last saw her being attended to in the medical facility as shown above, since I’d rather discard all the child-birth moments in-between! 😃

…which happens to include getting rid of this shot where R2D2 and Yoda were seen together too - CLICK HERE

…and then we continue on as normal, as Obi-wan looks on distressed while holding one of her babies -

…and Yoda turns away sadly, and we end on this shot -

…and then we CUT* to the Tantive ship arriving at Naboo -

…and we end on this shot -

…and then we continue on as normal, as Yoda discusses the twins with Bail and Obi-wan aboard the Tantive ship -

…as they agree that the twins should be separated for their safety, before Yoda says “UNTIL THE TIME IS RIGHT, DISAPPEAR WE WILL”, and they bow in respect and go to leave, and we end on this shot -

NOTE - I’d discard the rest of the sequence which appears at this point, where Yoda tells Obi-wan that he has training on Tattooine for him, and that Qui-gon has returned from the netherworld of the Force, and that he will teach him how to commune with him…as I’m just not keen on it personally, and don’t need every single ‘loose end’ explained away. And anyway, there might even be a ‘surprise’ appearance of Qui-gon’s ‘Forceghost’ at the end of THE RISE OF SKYWALKER somewhere for all we know…so I can wait until then to see him appear as one, if that’s the case. 😉

…and then we CUT* to Padme’s sombre funeral procession on Naboo -

…as we have our final look at Luke and Leia’s mother -

…and we end on this ‘wipe’ shot -

…and then we continue on as normal, as we see Star Destroyers and TIE ships in space -

…as the TIE ships scream by, and we end on this shot -

NOTE - I’d discard the shots of Vader walking down the bridge which appear at this point, as the dodgy-looking stand-in for a ‘younger Tarkin’ is far too distracting for me - CLICK HERE …so I’d rather not see him at all!

…and then we CUT* to the Emperor and Darth Vader on a Star Destroyer bridge, looking out the window at the Death Star under construction -

…and we end on this shot -

…and then we continue on as normal, as Darth Vader folds his arms -

…and we end on this ‘wipe’ shot -

…and we continue on as normal, as the Tantive ship approaches Alderaan -

…and we end on this shot -

NOTE - I’d discard this shot of the Tantive ship heading down into the city which appears at this point, as I’m just not keen on it personally - CLICK HERE

…and then we CUT* to the Tantive ship landing on a platform in the city -

…and we end on this shot -

…and then we CUT* to the Tantive ship’s interior, as Bail prepares to leave, and tells Captain Antilles to wipe C3PO’s memory -

…as a startled C3PO says “WHAT?” -

…and R2D2 beeps in amusement -

…as C3PO nervously says “OH NO…” -

…and we end on this shot -

…and then we CUT* to Yoda’s transport heading to ‘Dagobah’, as he goes into self-imposed exile -

NOTE - This deleted ‘Dagobah’ scene actually begins with a slow pan across the planet for a few moments BEFORE Yoda’s transport comes into the shot, although I couldn’t find a pic of it…but I’m including a clip link further down as a reminder of how the whole scene looks and sounds in motion.

…as his transport lands, then opens up -

…and Yoda looks out -

…and we end on this shot -

Here’s the clip - CLICK HERE

…and then we CUT* to a large balcony on Alderaan -

…and we end on this shot -

…and then we continue on as normal, as Senator Bail presents his wife with a baby girl -

…and we end on this shot -

NOTE - Because I’ve tried to give the impression that Padme didn’t recover to name her twins herself before she died, I’m going to assume that it was actually their respective adoptive parents who named the babies themselves.

…and then we continue on as normal, as we see the baby girl’s face -

…and we end on this ‘wipe’ shot to Obi-wan on Tattooine -

…as Obi-wan dismounts -

…and then meets up with Beru -

…as he hands the baby over to her -

…and we see the baby boy’s face -

…as Beru smiles -

…and Obi-wan smiles back at her -

…as Beru turns to take the baby over to Owen -

…while Obi-wan watches them for a moment, then turns to leave -

…as Beru shows Owen the baby -

…and they both turn to look in the distance -

…as they watch familiar twin suns, before we conclude on this ‘wipe’ shot to the end credits -

** WHEW! **

So that’s the way I’d ideally like to see the ENDING of REVENGE OF THE SITH restructured…but it would mean editing it in DVD quality to keep everything consistent, due to my wanting to incorporate the deleted ‘Dagobah/Yoda’ scene…

…which I’d be fine with personally, although an HD version of all this would work fine WITHOUT the deleted scene too…as the shot of C3PO saying “OH NO…” would also transition nicely to the shot of the large balcony on Alderaan directly, as the overall sequences and music flows well for that also.

( By the way, because I’ve ended up putting so many screenshots on here, it kinda works like a visual ‘flick-book’ of this proposed ending if you go back and just scroll down continuously from the beginning again by holding your cursor on the bottom right scroll arrow. It gives a very good idea of how the whole thing would flow together if you do that )

HOWEVER…a long time ago, I briefly toyed with the notion of how I’d alter that ending if I were to begin a ‘viewing order’ with the PREQUEL movies BEFORE watching the ORIGINAL TRILOGY…so before I go onto anything else, some of you may be interested to see what alternative changes I originally had in mind for that long-ditched scenario… 😃

So that’s UP NEXT, to show the different changes I wanted at the time.

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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>720p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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BedeHistory731 said:

JEDIT: There’s also this warped pylon that might need fixing:

pylon

Thanks! That was one of the two things I always meant to get around to mentioning here at some point. There’s a bit of warping in other parts of the set walls too, but that close-up section was the main one that was always distracting.

The other thing I always meant to bring up was this adywan - just before and after he plays Leia’s message in Obi-wan’s hut, there’s two close-ups of Artoo’s ‘holographic projector’ looking as if it has ‘tracing paper’ fitted, rather than glass…

They are both static shots, so I wonder if it’s something you can tweak a bit to look slightly more ‘glass’-like as seen in other shots like these examples? Just a little something I forgot to mention here ages ago, and no biggie at the end of the day, if not -

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THE STAR WARS 'SAGA' RETOLD, from a certain point of view...
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FreezingTNT2 said:

Here is what my viewing order will be:

Rogue One, ANH:R HD, ESB:R, TFoR (my upcoming 3-in-1 anthology prequel edit), RotJ:R, TFA (NevarGreat), TLJ (my upcoming edit), and TRoS (any upcoming edit that I feel is best).

Good luck with your edits FreezingTNT2, and let’s hope there’s not much in THE RISE OF SKYWALKER that’s gonna require attention! 😃

RogueLeader said:

I like how you described the initial scene, but when you get into further explanations, I don’t think it is as necessary to go into as much detail for the scenes most of us already know by heart. I think it would be good to emphasize your changes and cuts more than the content of the scenes as they are theatrically. Unless the scenes have major changes and you feel “setting the scene” is necessary.

It’s a tricky one RogueLeader - due to the fact that I just don’t have the time to cut full-length video clips together for these ideas anytime soon…so I’m just showing them with screenshots and descriptions a bit at a time, and wanted to give a reminder of the existing scenes and dialogue that I’m keeping too…to try and give a better visual idea of how everything would ‘flow together’ with my cut suggestions inserted, overall.

‘Setting the scene’ as you say, whether it’s for major changes or minor trims.

As far as the rest of the stuff I’m going to show is concerned, I’ll probably need to show the very FIRST shot and the very LAST shot of certain scenes in most instances, with the odd additional shot thrown in as a reminder of some aspects in-between.

So my next post on the final hour or so of REVENGE OF THE SITH is going to be a doozy, as far as the number of alterations I want to show in succession…and I’ll be interested to see what others think of it all.

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

I love that cut.

Well I’m glad that you do, SomethingStarWarsRelated…as it allowed me to discard a LOT of stuff in-between that I wasn’t personally keen on… 😃

…and it also helped to speed up the pace of these initial exchanges, so that we can get Obi-wan and Qui-gon off on their adventures much sooner.


By the way, a head’s-up for those that may have already looked through my initial posts here - I’ve now included an alteration to my 3rd post which I’d forgotten about at the time - it involves the scene where the silver droid enters the waiting room, and Obi-wan and Qui-gon discuss the situation.

I’d originally described how the ENTIRE waiting room scene played out, before my cut to the Tantive IV being blown up afterwards…but I remembered later that I’d intended to REMOVE Qui-gon’s line where he says “NO, I SENSE AN UNUSUAL AMOUNT OF FEAR FOR SOMETHING AS TRIVIAL AS THIS TRADE DISPUTE” for the purpose of upping the pace of things a bit at that point…to make it seem as if Palpatine’s order to kill the Jedi was carried out more quickly…and also because I didn’t want to hear the ‘trade dispute’ being mentioned again so soon after the ‘scroll’ wording…nor the implication that the Neimoidians were just ‘big fearties’ (good old Scottish expression) at this early point in the movie!

By the way, I’ll not be numbering any of my basic ‘comment/reply’ posts such as this, and will just keep that for my actual ‘description’ posts, to make things easier to follow for myself and everyone else

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THE STAR WARS 'SAGA' RETOLD, from a certain point of view...
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3rd POST

While some may baulk at the idea of including the entire PREQUEL TRILOGY in their own ideal ‘viewing order’, I definitely want to include it in mine…because I happen to like a LOT of the imagery and soundtrack music featured throughout it overall…

…just NOT BEFORE watching the ORIGINAL TRILOGY first…and NOT in it’s existing form either, ideally! 😃

So to start things off, here’s my proposed NEW OPENING for THE PHANTOM MENACE which I’d like to see…as a way to introduce and reinforce the PREQUEL TRILOGY’s entire ‘backstory/flashback’ storyline at some point AFTER I’ve watched the ORIGINAL TRILOGY first…

…and as with all my future examples, I’ll put an ‘asterix’ beside the word ‘CUT’ to indicate every time I’m showing a completely new cut that’s different from how things appear in the actual movie…and will use the words ‘and then we continue on as normal’ to indicate where a scene transitions into the next scene as it currently does -

WE START OFF with the usual 20TH CENTURY FOX FOX/LUCASFILM logos and fanfare, as the silent blue wording fades to black -

…and then we CUT* to an ENTIRELY NEW OPENING incorporating some footage from A NEW HOPE, which acts as a short ‘reprise’ of certain events from that movie…beginning with an ‘establishing shot’ of Obi-Wan’s dwelling on Tatooine as we hear Artoo’s faint whistles -

…and then we CUT* to the close-up of Luke saying “YOU FOUGHT IN THE CLONE WARS?” -

…and then we continue on as normal, as Obi-wan discusses Luke’s father, then hands over his lightsaber -

…and then we continue on as normal, as Obi-wan tells Luke what happened to his father, before this introductory ‘prologue’ ends with the close-up of Obi-Wan declaring “…BEFORE THE DARK TIMES…BEFORE THE EMPIRE!” -

NOTE - By adding this short ‘reprise’, it ensures that I would NEED to watch A NEW HOPE before watching my proposed version of THE PHANTOM MENACE to give these characters their proper context at this point, which suits me just fine…and it would help to kick off this ‘middle section’ of my preferred Episode 4-5-6, 1-2-3, 7-8-9 ‘saga’ viewing order with some additional ‘gravitas’ for myself…and of course, I’d ideally use adywan’s STAR WARS REVISITED footage for this, seeing as it’s his enhanced version of A NEW HOPE that I’d choose to start off my ‘saga’ re-watch with in the first place! - CLICK HERE FOR EXAMPLE

…and then we CUT* to the receding STAR WARS main title at this point, as this PREQUEL TRILOGY ‘flashback’ to the CLONE WARS ‘backstory’ begins -

…and then we continue on as normal, as we see THE PHANTOM MENACE’s receding description ‘scroll’ -

NOTE - I’m content to stick with the integrity of George’s underwhelming ‘scroll’ wording as it is, seeing as it WON’T be the introductory description at the start of my overall ‘saga’ viewing order any longer. And adding the ‘prologue’ scene with Luke and Obi-wan beforehand will help to improve it’s dull scenario a little for me too.

…and then we continue on as normal, as we see the red Tantive ship heading towards us -

…and then we continue on as normal, as the Tantive ship passes us and heads away towards the planet Naboo which is surrounded by larger ships -

…and then we CUT* to the close-up of the Tantive ship’s Captain clicking on a switch, as she says “WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, THE AMBASSADORS FOR THE SUPREME CHANCELLOR WISH TO BOARD IMMEDIATELY” -

…and then we continue on as normal, as we pan upwards to the monitor to see Nute Gunray saying “YES, OF COURSE…” -

…and then we CUT* to the interior of the Tantive ship as Nute Gunray says the words “…AND WE’D BE HAPPY TO RECEIVE THE AMBASSADORS” -

…and then we continue on as normal, as the Tantive ship dives downwards, and then lands in a docking bay -

…and then we continue on as normal, as the two hooded Jedi are met by a silver droid and led along a corridor -

…and then we continue on as normal, as the silver droid leaves the waiting room, and the two Jedi finally reveal themselves, as Obi-Wan says “I HAVE A BAD FEELING ABOUT THIS”, followed by Qui-Gon saying “I DON’T SENSE ANYTHING”, followed by Obi-Wan saying “IT’S NOT ABOUT THE MISSION MASTER, IT’S SOMETHING…ELSEWHERE, ELUSIVE…” -

…and then we CUT* to the hologram of Palpatine telling Nute Gunray “WE MUST ACCELERATE OUR PLANS” -

…and then we continue on as normal, as the close-up of Palpatine then says “BEGIN LANDING YOUR TROOPS” -

…and then we CUT* to Nute Gunray saying “AND THE JEDI?” -

…and then we continue on as normal, as Palpatine says “THE CHANCELLOR SHOULD NEVER HAVE BROUGHT THEM INTO THIS, KILL THEM IMMEDIATELY!” -

…and then we continue on as normal, as Nute Gunray bows, and then says “YES, YES MY LORD, AS YOU WISH”, as Palpatine’s hologram fades away -

…and then we CUT* to the silver droid entering the doorway as it brings refreshments to the Jedi -

…and then we continue on as normal, as Obi-wan says “IS IT IN THEIR NATURE TO MAKE US WAIT THIS LONG?”, while Qui-gon taps his hand impatiently -

…and then we CUT* to the Tantive ship in the docking bay, as the pilot says “CAPTAIN LOOK!”, followed by the captain saying “SHIELDS UP!”, as the ship gets blown up -

…and then we continue on as normal, as the Jedi jump up igniting their lightsabers, and the silver droid drops it’s tray, as gas begins to enter the room, and the Jedi hold their breath -

NOTE - This way, the pace of the opening scenes of THE PHANTOM MENACE move along with a greater sense of urgency overall, compared to the existing movie…while retaining the particular Nute Gunray/Palpatine dialogue I want to keep…and by having Nute Gunray in mid-conversation with Palpatine this way, it makes it look as if he was ALREADY aware that the hooded ‘ambassadors’ are actually Jedi, and didn’t just rely on that silver droid happening to mention it in the passing, for him to realise that fact!

Additionally, it also gets rid of Palpatine’s silly-sounding “I DON’T WANT THIS STUNTED SLIME IN MY SIGHT AGAIN!” retort which really grinds my gears ( is that REALLY the most threatening response that George could come up with for Palpatine towards this impertinent lackey??! 😃 ), while also removing the whining Neimoidian he’s referring to…so that we stick with the DUO of Nute Gunray and his advisor Rune Haako right from the start.

So that’s the exact opening to the PREQUEL TRILOGY’s ‘backstory’ which I’d like to see, and while I don’t have the time to put a full-length video example together, here’s a few individual snippets to give a decent idea of how the majority of it would all look and sound overall, if you play them one after another -

1st Part - CLICK HERE - (20th Century Fox/Lucasfilm logos, and blue wording)

2nd Part - CLICK HERE - (Establishing shot on Tattooine - adywan’s version)

3rd Part - CLICK HERE - (Luke and Obi-wan’s discussion - adywan’s version)

4th Part - CLICK HERE - (Main Title and ‘scroll’, as Tantive ship appears)

5th Part - CLICK HERE - (Captain talks to Nute Gunray on monitor)

6th Part - CLICK HERE - (Nute Gunray continues on monitor, as Jedi end up in waiting room)

7th Part - CLICK HERE - (Palpatine hologram orders Nute Gunray to begin landing his troops)

8th Part - CLICK HERE - (Palpatine hologram orders Nute Gunray to also kill the Jedi)

NEXT UP, I’ll describe my proposed NEW ENDING for REVENGE OF THE SITH which shows how I’d prefer to conclude the PREQUEL TRILOGY’s ‘backstory’/‘flashback’ in a certain restructured way for myself…which would feature MUCH LESS dialogue overall, and a MUCH MORE uninterrupted flow of John Williams’ evocative soundtrack music to end things on…

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THE STAR WARS 'SAGA' RETOLD, from a certain point of view...
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2nd POST

By the end of this year, eleven ( ! ) major live-action STAR WARS movies will have been released in this particular ‘production/release’ order - A NEW HOPE - THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK - RETURN OF THE JEDI - THE PHANTOM MENACE - ATTACK OF THE CLONES - REVENGE OF THE SITH - THE FORCE AWAKENS - ROGUE ONE - THE LAST JEDI - SOLO - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER - and there’s various potential ways to re-order them for ourselves…with different views on the best way to do it, as described HERE , HERE , HERE , HERE , HERE , HERE , HERE , HERE , and HERE for example!

…so the first decision I had to make was…HOW would my own ideal re-watch of the existing movies begin?

Well, for certain reasons, I knew that I definitely WASN’T going to start off with the events of THE PHANTOM MENACE…

…and while I briefly considered the notion of beginning with ROGUE ONE instead, I soon realised that didn’t work for me either, due to one thing or another…

…so with apologies to George, here’s the only answer that absolutely works best for me EVERY time -

…AND SO ON…

(If you’d like a quick re-watch, here you go - CLICK HERE , and continue here - CLICK HERE)

Along with it’s majestic score and explosive sound effects, EPISODE IV - A NEW HOPE’s dramatic mid-adventure opening scenes were my first introduction to the worlds of STAR WARS and it’s characters…and remains the greatest cinematic opening to any movie ever, as far as I’m concerned.

On top of that, it also remains the best movie to properly establish the overall look and feel of the STAR WARS universe in my view, which is why it will ALWAYS be how I’d begin any ‘saga’ re-watch for myself. 😃

…and while there are a number of possible ‘viewing order’ methods to watch the various STAR WARS movies released so far, I also consider watching the entire ORIGINAL TRILOGY to be the BEST starting point for someone completely new to the franchise too…so that ALL the great original character introductions and ‘reveals’ are kept INTACT for themselves, while giving better context for the various ‘references’ and ‘call-backs’ featured in everything else that followed…

…then by watching the entire PREQUEL TRILOGY storyline AFTERWARDS as an extended ‘backstory/flashback’ to earlier events, it allows for a longer period of viewing time to pass before they eventually go on to watch the entire concluding SEQUEL TRILOGY storyline too…so that the much older versions of Luke, Han, and Leia won’t seem as jarring, by the time they get to watching the THE FORCE AWAKENS.

So for all these reasons, I’ll always consider the original Episode 4-5-6, 1-2-3, 7-8-9 ‘Theatrical/Production’ release order to be the most satisfying and least confusing way to watch these movies for myself and others, if they were ALL to be included…but MAINLY because I’d recommend someone new to the franchise begins with A NEW HOPE first, no-matter-what.

EXCEPT… this scenario is messed up by the fact that George decided to replace elderly Sebastian Shaw’s ‘Forceghost’ with a creepy-looking young fella in the current ‘Special Edition’ of RETURN OF THE JEDI instead…which will make newbies ask “Who on Endor’s Forest Moon is THAT?!” if they HAVEN’T watched Hayden in the PREQUELS first!

It’s almost as if George INTENDED it to be awkward, if watched in any way other than his favoured ‘chronological’ order…

I wouldn’t normally want newbies to split-up the ORIGINAL TRILOGY to go directly from the highs of THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK to the lows of THE PHANTOM MENACE (as it makes for a rude interruption of the hooded Emperor’s mysterious identity and menacing aura in the RETURN OF THE JEDI), but I’d certainly recommend that they use the ‘Ernst Rister’ 4-5, 1-2-3, 6, 7-8-9 order if they’re going to watch the ‘Special Edition’ of RETURN OF THE JEDI…so that they’ll actually KNOW who that random ‘Forceghost’ guy is, by the time they get to him in that particular order!

And it still ensures that someone new starts off with A NEW HOPE first, so that’s good.

But luckily for my own re-watching intentions… (those 2006 GOUT ‘bonus’ DVD discs aside), the likes of Harmy’s ‘Despecialized Edition’ of RETURN OF THE JEDI and ‘Project 4K83’ both sort out the ‘Hayden’ problem in the meantime.

…and for future purposes, adywan’s ongoing RETURN OF THE JEDI REVISITED has got my back too -

NOTE - This is a ‘work-in-progress’ shot that was previewed recently.

Which brings me to the versions of the ORIGINAL TRILOGY I’d ideally include in my own ‘saga’ re-watch…

I’ll always have a huge nostalgic preference for the actual '77 - '80 - '83 original versions over the existing ‘Special Edition’ recuts…but adywan’s incredible enhancements and fixes for A NEW HOPE and THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK took things to a whole new level, and will always amaze me…so his ongoing REVISITED TRILOGY is my definitive choice nowadays…and I’m looking forward to seeing his inventive new ideas for RETURN OF THE JEDI too, someday.

And of course, the fact that the Tantive IV recedes further away than ever in adywan’s makeover of A NEW HOPE’s iconic opening shot, is what clinched it for me… 😃

CLICK HERE for the sheer perfection of that.


SO TO RECAP, HERE’S MY FAVOURITE ‘VIEWING ORDER’ OF EVERYTHING SO FAR -

  • ORIGINAL TRILOGY storyline to kick things off with Luke, Han, and Leia…

  • PREQUEL TRILOGY storyline as a ‘backstory/flashback’ to events of the past…

  • SEQUEL TRILOGY storyline as a ‘jump-forward-in-time’ to conclude the ‘Skywalker saga’ with much older Luke, Han, and Leia…

  • SOLO storyline as a ‘backstory/flashback’ to fun times with Han and Chewie…

  • ROGUE ONE to ALWAYS finish things off as a final ‘backstory/flashback’ to bittersweet events involving some familiar faces and settings…as a way of rounding things off with where it all started off in the first place…

  • …and then I’d eventually start off with the exact same ‘viewing order’ once again…whenever I decide to have ANOTHER re-watch of the whole ‘saga’ spread over a period of nights, someday in the future! 😃


…AND HERE’S MY 2nd-FAVOURITE ‘VIEWING ORDER’ -

There’s also a case to be made for watching the entire ORIGINAL TRILOGY and the entire SEQUEL TRILOGY back-to-back, despite suddenly seeing much older versions of Luke, Han, and Leia as I mentioned previously…so that I could have SIX continuous movies in-a-row with the ‘main cast’ throughout…WITHOUT interrupting things with the PREQUEL TRILOGY storyline as a ‘backstory/flashback’ in-between…and WITHOUT the need to place it at the beginning either…

…so that when THE RISE OF SKYWALKER concludes, I’d then follow it up with THREE ‘backstory/flashbacks’ in-a-row for some extra STAR WARS goodness to end things on…

SO IT WOULD GO LIKE THIS -

  • ORIGINAL TRILOGY storyline to kick things off with Luke, Han, and Leia…

  • SEQUEL TRILOGY storyline as a ‘jump-forward-in-time’ to conclude things with older Luke, Han, and Leia…

  • PREQUEL TRILOGY storyline as a ‘backstory/flashback’ to events of the past…

  • SOLO storyline as a ‘backstory/flashback’ to fun times with Han and Chewie…

  • ROGUE ONE to ALWAYS finish things off as a final ‘backstory/flashback’ to bittersweet events involving some familiar faces and settings…as a way of rounding things off with where it all started out in the first place…

  • …ready to begin all over again someday, in the exact same way!


…AND HERE’S MY 3rd-FAVOURITE ‘VIEWING ORDER’ -

Although I’ve chosen not to split-up the ORIGINAL TRILOGY in the above two options, I actually quite like the ‘Ernst Rister’ scenario in certain ways too - it’s not just the way it resolves ‘Haydens’ confusing appearance as a ‘Forceghost’ in RETURN OF THE JEDI if anyone wants to start off with the ‘Special Editions’ of the ORIGINAL TRILOGY before the PREQUELS…it’s also because there’s a case to be made for STRETCHING OUT the uncertainty and loose ends of where everything left off at the end of THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK a lot longer…to allow for watching the build-up of Palpatine and Anakin’s rise to power BEFORE we resume with their relationship as Emperor and Vader in RETURN OF THE JEDI, and BEFORE we find out what happened to Han…

SO IT WOULD GO LIKE THIS -

  • ORIGINAL TRILOGY storyline to kick things off with Luke, Han, and Leia…

  • PREQUEL TRILOGY storyline as a ‘backstory/flashback’ to events of the past, after THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK ends in uncertainty…

  • ORIGINAL TRILOGY storyline resumes with RETURN OF THE JEDI…

  • SEQUEL TRILOGY storyline as a ‘jump-forward-in-time’ to conclude things much with older Luke, Han, and Leia…

  • SOLO storyline as a ‘backstory/flashback’ involving fun times with Han and Chewie…

  • ROGUE ONE to ALWAYS finish things off as a final ‘backstory/flashback’ to bittersweet events involving some familiar faces and settings…as a way of rounding things off with where it all started out in the first place…

  • …ready to begin all over again someday, in the exact same way!


But whether you’ve got a preferred order of your own or not…we finally come to the changes I’ve got in mind for the actual movies themselves…and NEXT UP, I’ll describe my proposed NEW OPENING for THE PHANTOM MENACE…

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THE STAR WARS 'SAGA' RETOLD, from a certain point of view...
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1st POST

Welcome fellow STAR WARS fans!

There was a time when things were much simpler concerning the ‘saga’.

But over the years, the additional instalments conflicted me…and despite plenty of impressive visuals and soundtrack goodness throughout the ORIGINAL TRILOGY’s various PREQUELS and SEQUELS, I ended up wanting to ‘unlearn what I had learned’, where some of their content was concerned…

However, I wondered if it was possible to undo some of the footage and dialogue more to my own liking…so I checked back-and-forth…and after much scrutinising (and agonising too!), I found that MUCH LESS worked MUCH MORE for me in certain areas…

…so with THE RISE OF SKYWALKER about to conclude the current trilogy at the end of the year…I thought it might be fun to show what I’d change, and describe the moments I’d prefer to TWEAK, REARRANGE, OR COMPLETELY DISCARD for my own ideal ‘saga’ re-watch someday…

Just to clarify, I’m not currently editing any of these movies, and this is purely a visual description of how I’d LIKE to alter them for myself someday, if I ever find the time.

And while there’s sure to be things you don’t agree with along the way, perhaps some of you will find something of interest here and there.

Every now and then over the coming weeks and months, I’ll describe my proposals for various scenes from across the ‘saga’ in separate, numbered posts, and will update this initial post with the ones I’ve covered, for easy reference for myself.

All thoughts are welcome of course, but for the sake of everyone’s scrolling sanity…please don’t ‘quote’ the WHOLE of these lengthy posts if you wish to comment on anything, as just posting your thoughts will suffice, without us all having to see every single screenshot again, thanks. 😃

NEXT UP, I’ll describe my THREE (!) favourite ‘viewing orders’ which begin and end in the same way, no-matter-what…


UPDATE: DESCRIPTIONS COVERED SO FAR -

My THREE favourite ‘viewing orders’ of the Star Wars ‘saga’ - 2nd POST on page 1

My proposed NEW OPENING for THE PHANTOM MENACE - 3rd POST on page 1

My proposed NEW ENDING for REVENGE OF THE SITH - 4th POST on page 1

My alternative NEW ENDING for REVENGE OF THE SITH, which I originally had in mind - 5th POST on page 1

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#1296567
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Disney+ streaming platform : <strong>Star Wars content</strong> &amp; various info
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Tobar said:

Here’s a video of someone demonstrating Disney+:
I already have Disney+ !!! First impressions of the trial in The Netherlands!

Having also checked out a couple of other YouTube vids of Disney’s streaming trial, it looks as if this will be an essential entertainment hub for a lot of families around the world when it rolls out properly. Too bad it won’t be available to those of us here in the U.K. until some point next year, however.

It looks like the Disney+ logo appears momentarily when you press ‘play’ on a chosen movie (see the 2 min. 6 sec. mark on the video link above), so it seems like a new generation of ‘younglings’ wiil be getting their first introduction to THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK with this alternative opening sequence in future - Disney+ logo, then revised short music cue over the Lucasfilm logo, before the silent blue wording appears…

Oh well, I just hope their parents stick 'em on in their ‘theatrical release’ order at least… 😉

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#1288592
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-= Anti Cheese Edits =-
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KINGBING117 said:

Ah thanks very much man, I seem to have a PM from some other dude who has privded my a direction to follow (I’ve already replied with my thanks but if you read this - Thanks again). Im currently downloading them so im not sure how good they will be, but i imagine they will be fine.
Thanks for your help everyone, there is hope afterall.

Good that you got what you were after then. Any problems, just contact me.

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#1288062
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-= Anti Cheese Edits =-
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KINGBING117 said:

Is it just me or does every link or post you look at when searching for the Anti-Cheese edits lead to outdated posts or have links to now taken down videos? I’m giving up here

Well KINGBING117, you happen to be in luck (if you happen to still be around here to read this, that is), as I’m willing to point you and anyone else in the direction to current HD versions of all 3 of them. Just PM me a short polite request, and have patience for me to reply with details when I get a moment over the next few days.

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#1287240
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STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>NOW IN PRODUCTION</strong>
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Gotta say adywan, one of the great joys of your REVISITED projects for me was seeing your re-graded colouration efforts for SW:R and ESB:R. And so it’s been really neat to see all the clip examples of your ongoing ROTJ:R and SW:RHD re-grading recently too. Things are already looking fabulous on this front.

I hope that you’ll keep getting the support you require for your extensive intentions for ROTJ:R, and I’ve added an update about your excellent ‘B-Wing pilots’ shoot etc. on the STAR WARS REVISITED thread over at Fanedit(.)org for those that might have missed what you’ve achieved since finishing ESB:R. (Such a shame having to scrap your marvellous cockpit set afterwards, but I guess you had to let mrs. adywan have her livingroom back at some point!) 😃

I’ve re-read your numerous planned ROTJ:R changes on page 1 and on the ‘RotJ:R Facts’ section of the REVISITED wordpress page recently, and they are going to dramatically transform the movie for the better eventually. I’ve still got lots of pages and suggestions to catch up with here at some point, but I see that Tantive3+1 and others seem to be giving you plenty of additional scrutiny to think about already. 😃

Which reminds me, what kind of system do you have for keeping track of some of the many suggestions offered around here and amongst the comments on your Facebook adywan? I mean, do you just try to remember anything you like from memory?, or do you take a note of them as you go along in a ‘Bible of ideas’ or ‘spreadsheet’ of some sort? Just curious.

Either way, you’re doing exceptional work on this again, and it’s gonna be fun to follow your progress once again.

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#1286921
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Alien 3 - Third Cut
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Just wanted to chip in about this one.

The movie’s storyline and setting may be divisive, but this particular re-edit of it is terrific! 😃

Alien 3: Third Cut is a satisfying mixture of the ‘Theatrical’ and ‘The Assembly Cut’ with some added spit and polish, making it the best version I’ve come across.

I’ve always preferred the notion of the alien being born from a rottweiler as opposed to an ox, and the ‘dog-burster’ scenes are much more compelling I reckon. But it’s the likes of 15MaF’s re-grading and enhancements along the way which really make this a comprehensive ‘special edition’ for me, with an improved look to the alien shots overall, especially during the iconic moment in the infirmary when it goes right up to Ripley’s face - I included a decent-sized pic of 15MaF’s enhanced shot above, so that it’s possible to see the added drool more clearly as it moves towards Ripley, which now ties in much better when we cut to the drooling alien head prop close-up - the re-grading, enhancements, and re-framing done to this somewhat dodgy effects shot all combine to make it far more effective now. Great stuff!

And extra kudos for the way the various EEV shots have been melded together nicely, with the creepy shot of Newt incorporated too. Some neat subtle enhancements to tie things seamlessly together there.

There are several editors around here who’s ideas and efforts have greatly impressed me over the years, and I’m definitely adding 15MaF to that group now. In addition, it was interesting to read his thoughtful intentions and neat enhancements for some of his other edits too, so I’m including links below to his threads here for anyone else who may care to check those out.

Indiana Jones And The Kingdom Of The Crystal Skull - Non Paternal Cut

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Indiana-Jones-and-the-Kingdom-of-the-Crystal-Skull-Non-Paternal-Cut-by-15MaF/id/62361


Blade Runner - The Analogue Cut

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Blade-Runner-The-Analogue-Cut/id/62356


Blade Runner 2049 1.1

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Blade-Runner-2049-1-1/id/65496

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IF ANYONE HAPPENS TO COME ACROSS THIS THREAD, JUST IGNORE THE STUFF IVE WRITTEN BELOW, AS IM JUST USING THIS POST TO DRAFT UP SOMETHING FOR ANOTHER THREAD TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR MYSELF BEFORE I POST IT. ILL BE DELETING ALL THIS STUFF BELOW SHORTLY.

  1. quote post about warped wall section

There’s also this warped pylon that might need fixing:

pylon

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#1280803
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Game of Thrones (HBO)
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Well, after having never gotten around to checking out this show, I finally took the plunge last year. It’s been a wildly cinematic ride along the way, with some great characters and lots of satisfying twists and turns. I was lucky to start when I did, as I’ve now managed to steadily work my way through all 8 seasons just in time to catch the release of the final last 2 episodes before they air shortly.

I also count myself lucky that I had the benefit of NOT having to wait the long periods between seasons that it’s other fans had to, due to my late start with it all. I only wish that there had been some sort of limited theatrical release organised on the big screen for the conclusion of it’s epic storyline, as I would have definately gone along to that. Although there’s been some very brutal and twisted moments throughout, it’s been great stuff overall, with plenty of fine acting involved, and I will probably re-watch it all again in a few years time.

And yes, I never once skipped it’s majestic opening intro. credits/main theme for any episode, as it would have seemed rude to do so. 😃

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#1279886
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STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>NOW IN PRODUCTION</strong>
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After my recent absence these past weeks due to a sudden family tragedy, it was good to check in today and find your efforts seem to be progressing well adywan.

ROTJ:R is nicely on target by the looks of things, and I hope to add a thought or three eventually. Coming back to those previews of your B-wing shoot and Jabba’s lair clip made my day! Terrific work as always. 😃

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#1279881
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The future of OT.com - UPDATE: Please donate!
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I’ve been absent for a few weeks now due to a sudden family tragedy, but am slowly getting things back on track now. And there’s a lot for me to catch up with around here I see!

I’d just like to add my own thanks to Jay for setting up this esteemed hive of scum and villainy in the first place, and wish you well in whatever your future brings. Like others, I hope you will continue to chip in with your own thoughts on certain subjects that may catch your attention here in future.

And I’m heartened to see things are continuing in the equally good hands of SilverWook and Anchorhead going forward, and that a healthy financial buffer has already been achieved so far these past few weeks. This site has given me a lot of entertaining distractions over the years concerning certain projects and subjects, and I will definately be contributing to the cause very shortly. In the meantime, I look forward to resuming my interaction around here too.

May the 4th have been with you all everyone.