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#1202640
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RogueLeader said:

First of all, thanks for sharing your thoughts and these cuts. I’ll be adding a lot of these to the resources folder just in case we decide to use them, if you’re cool with that.

Yeah, that’s fine with me. If any of the cuts are useful I’d be happy to have them included.

EddieDean said:

I’ve taken a crack at a spreadsheet to record issues and their resultant scene fixes, for those who think there’s value there. Here’s a screenshot with the first example. Feedback welcome.

https://imgur.com/Ex3AfHZ
https://imgur.com/F4TbsPj

Having a spreadsheet for the project is an excellent idea, it’ll make keeping track of everything much easier.

Sir Ridley said:

Your mother once thought this should do:
https://mega.nz/#!bR0CUAgZ!8tXiiKI9PUpvmjG1VO3qkCUnFyiF5YaVewQ-oSBXAdw

That version of the line sounds great, it’d be interesting to hear it placed with the shot and see how well it fits.

RogueLeader said:

My view on the Sifo-Dyas thing is that he never gets mentioned again within the films, so within the movies we never really get an answer for it. I understand that it is meant to be a red herring, but is a red herring that is never even revealed as a red herring. So people left the theater wondering who Sifo-Dyas is and if more will be revealed about him in the next film, which we know never is. To me, this shows how murky the whole plot was in the first place, and it would just be simpler to make it where an anonymous person ordered this clone army for the Jedi Council and the Republic. It could technically still be Sifo-Dyas, we just don’t get that information (because we don’t need it). All we’ll know is that a man called Tyrannus hired Jango for this job. Obi-Wan never discovers the identity of Tyrannus, but the audience will by the end of the film when Dooku is revealed to be Tyrannus. Then the audience will know that the clone army is merely a part of Darth Sidious’ plot. I think Sifo-Dyas just makes it more complicated than it needs to be.

Ah you’re right, cutting Sifo-Dyas entirely is the far simpler option, and the reveal of Darth Tyranus fits well with that. I know Seciors cut ep2 in this way, the relevant scenes are: between Obi-Wan and the Kaminoan president, the dialogue between Obi-Wan and Jango (though Seciors also cuts the mention of Tyranus in this scene), and Obi-Wan’s holocall to Yoda and Mace. I think that’s all of them. Looks like Seciors had to splice some lines together, and the odd shot feels a bit truncated, but overall it works well. No point totally reinventing the edit.

RogueLeader said:

That’s an interesting view on Anakin using green in AOTC. I hadn’t really thought of it that way but I totally see where you’re coming from. What if the colors were swapped with him and Obi? He would still wield a green one when he dual wields.

I’d consider cutting the dual wielding part of the fight as well, as it’s quite brief and seems a bit pointless to me. That way we wouldn’t have to worry about fixing the colour of Obi-Wan’s lightsaber. It’s quite a minor point though.

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#1196780
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A Collaborative Star Wars Saga Edit
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Ah you’re right about R2 RogueLeader, I hadn’t considered that. Yeah, as far as R2 knows Obi-Wan killed Anakin. It would be simpler if Bail mind wiped both droids, maybe the line in ep3 could be cut to “have the | droid’s mind wiped”. That scene always seemed off to me, and I think it’s because of the all the problems you mention. It’s a bit sad for R2 but makes sense, and there’s no reason why R2 couldn’t recover some of the data, or store it in an internal backup or something. Adding this also makes the later Rebels treatment of droids more interesting, presumably Leia or Luke never memory wiped R2 or 3PO, and Poe will never memory wipe BB8, so this shows a stronger difference between the heroes of the PT (specifically Padme, Bail, and Mon Mothma) to the OT and ST. Here’s a demo of the cut: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1BI31_EiMWySxUqzQ3BscwFxwLo8NmuWv would probably need to change the beeps so that it doesn’t sound like R2 is laughing.

On Sifo-Dyas in Obi-Wan’s detective subplot, my view is that Dooku and the Separatists are a red herring for this subplot, as Jango and Sifo-Dyas are the leads that the Jedi needed to track down (but Windu kills Jango so there’s that). In some ways I think removing the line where the President of Kamino says that the army was (specifically intended by Sifo-Dyas) for the Republic improves things here, as it makes Sifo-Dyas’ intentions unknown, and so makes his prior death simply a lead that wasn’t followed up on. About the scene itself, although it’s IMO one of the worst uses of CGI in the PT, I find that Obi-Wan’s dialogue is mostly fine, as he’s in a sort of undercover detective mode here, which could explain why he didn’t ask more prying questions about Sifo-Dyas. The dialogue scene between Jango and Obi-Wan could also be trimmed, depending on our views on Darth Tyranus.

With Chewbacca in ep3, it could be an idea to wait until the Solo film is out, as it will be interesting to see if they add any details about Chewbacca’s backstory there. One of the main things indicating that it’s Chewbacca is the bandoleer, so maybe it would be enough to remove that? Though I’m all for making him a silver Wookiee if it can be done well. For me the problem isn’t that Chewbacca is in ep3, what bothers me is that it seems like he’s best friends with Yoda, which is a ridiculous coincidence.

Also, on PT lightsaber colours, it’s not really an obvious contradiction (it could maybe be considered a thematic contradiction) but I’m opposed to Anakin using a green lightsaber in ep2 (even if it’s not his personal saber). My view is that, between Anakin and Luke, only Luke should use a green saber, because to me it represents the fulfillment of Luke’s character as a new hope and as the return of the Jedi in the OT. So I’d have it as Anakin transitioning from blue to red, and Luke transitioning from blue to green (will be interesting to see what colour Rey’s saber is in ep9). What are people’s thoughts on changing Anakin’s temporary lightsaber in this way? I’m obviously for it, but it might not be worth the work required.

About the Ewok’s in the ep6 final battle, the overly cute or silly battle scenes can be cut easily enough, it’s just a question of which shots we want to remove. Also, as Adywan is likely cooking up some interesting shots for the final battle, it may be best to wait and see what he comes up with before cutting into this part of ep6.

Here are links to some relevant cuts. I’d made these for myself anyway, so thought I’d organise them and post the relevant bits here. Some of the cuts need work (particularly on the audio side), but they should give an idea of what they’re about. Not all of the cuts may end up being relevant for this project, but it’ll be interesting to hear what you all think of them regardless. Here’s a link to the folder with all the demo scenes: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1gHgVquApxRDBhGCbtOA3qKPriJHvc7ME

OT, incest subplot:

OT, Obi-Wan deception plot:

  • ep4, “I never seem to remember owning a droid” has been cut, I couldn’t figure out a seamless way to trim the “I haven’t gone by the name of Obi-Wan since oh, before you were born” line so have left it as is: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1wdB5l8eKfChkhVyWESpDI2ymUUCYTJgB
  • ep4, “He [Owen] feared you might follow old Obi-Wan on some damn fool idealistic crusade, like your father did", cut “like your father did”: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1zPBkXtLBnnJNk5VYTGbwiqXtgx3c07t6
  • ep4, “Now, let’s see if we can figure out what you are, my little friend, and where you come from”, the words “what you are / and” have been cut: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1IT09tdxP_8fzsPoeIw1_iy0g9dVUSi1S
  • ep6, Dagobah sequence, I’ve uploaded the almost all of the sequence on Dagobah, as some of Yoda’s lines were also cut: https://drive.google.com/open?id=15uDS2HzWB47VaESu83RlvU6v5yuGcmwl Yoda doesn’t mention another Skywalker, so Obi-Wan tells Luke about Leia without being prompted. Here, the following lines have been cut, “Obi-Wan: ‘Then the Emperor has already won, you were are only hope.’ Luke: Yoda spoke of another?’ Obi-Wan: ‘The other he spoke of is your twin sister.’ Luke: ‘But I have no sister.’” Obi-Wan’s infamous “point of view” bit has been trimmed, and now reads as “…he ceased to be Anakin Skywalker and became Darth Vader, when that happened the good man who was your father was destroyed. (Here the lines “Obi-Wan: ‘So what I told you was true, from a certain point of view.’ Luke: ‘A certain point of view?’” have been cut) You’re going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view. So what I told you was true (this line has been moved here from the cut section). When I first knew him…” Here I have attempted to portray Obi-Wan as saying all truths exist from a particular point of view, not what I said was true from a particular point of view. Hopefully Obi-Wan seems more dejected about how things turned out with Vader, and isn’t trying to avoid responsibility for having deceived Luke.

Ep6 scenes:

ST, clone stormtrooper retcon:

Ep8 scene:

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#1195757
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A Collaborative Star Wars Saga Edit
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Nice work with the edit, RogueLeader.

Anakin Starkiller said:

Imhotep said:

As Jar Jar has been brought up a bit, one way to add some nuance to the Gungans (without removing Jar Jar as I agree that this can’t be done, it would break the plot of both ep1 and ep2) could be to dub them with a fake alien language with subtitles when two Gunguns are talking to each other, like in the swamp scene or the final battle of ep1. This would imply that their poor use of English/Basic is because it’s a second language for them.

I’ve had that on my change list for a while.

Ah excellent, do you have any thoughts on how to execute this idea to dub and subtitle the Gungans? My view on this is that the easiest way would be to use audio from something else in the Star Wars universe. I’d go for the Knights of the Old Republic games, as they have several different alien languages. The Rakata language might be appropriate as they don’t appear in the films, and given their appearance the Gungans could possibly have evolved from Rakatans, or be a subspecies. Lip sync could be a problem, but it’d be worth a try. Would have to change the pitch for Jar Jar though, as his voice is far too high. The Rakata language can be heard in this video: https://youtu.be/kGp5NJK-FyI?list=PLMpTBRgc57RSNbXpIs9PIQDi2Wmjl46l9&t=848

My take on Dooku is that the public don’t really know the difference between the Jedi and the Sith. I guess some would, but the Sith are not obviously evil to most people in the star wars universe. That said, I don’t have a problem with changing Dooku’s lightsaber colour if people are keen to work on that addition.

The deception plot with Obi-Wan is fine with me, I think if we trim the odd bit or inconsistency, like not knowing R2 and the “point of view” bit then it should be okay. Manipulating Luke to kill his father is a bit extreme, but the stakes are high, and I think Yoda and Obi-Wan would’ve told Luke eventually, if he hadn’t run off in ep5 before his training was complete. Also, R2 is deceiving Luke as well, in ep4 to get him to save Leia (by leading him to his old pal Obi-Wan), and in ep5 by not telling Luke about Vader. There’s also a moment in ep5 (when Luke goes into the cave on Dagobah) where R2 and Yoda could’ve had a long chat without Luke around, I like to think they did anyway. This fits with 3PO (and not R2) being given a memory wipe at the end of ep3, but I’m not sure if that’s what Lucas intended. Basically the PT makes things super convoluted, but I think we can make it make sense with a few additional cuts.

“Come here, my little friend.” / If the change can be made as you suggest then it would be an improvement, but the theatrical line is fine as is.

“I haven’t gone by the name Obi-Wan since, oh, before you were born.” / Changing this to “I haven’t gone by the name Obi-Wan since you were born” sounds like a good idea to me.

I’d cut “I never seem to remember owning a droid.” Should be simple enough to do.

“He [Owen] feared you might follow old Obi-Wan on some damn fool idealistic crusade, like your father did.” / Would be a good idea to cut “like your father did”, as this isn’t really what happened. Maybe if we’d had a few extra scenes between Owen and Anakin in ep2 it might have made sense, but as things are I find it to be a confusing inconsistency.

“Now, let’s see if we can figure out what you are, my little friend, and where you come from” / One option could be to remove the words “what you are” if possible, as this is the problematic part of the line (the cut should work for the image, but the audio may be a problem).

One option to make the final dialogue between Luke and Obi-Wan in ep6 more meaningful is to cut Yoda telling Luke he has a sister, and leave that for Obi-Wan. So then it’s more like he’s coming clean about the last part of the deception, rather than being prompted by Luke.

I’ve made a few cuts of these and some other ideas, I should have time to organise and upload them over the weekend.

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#1194889
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A Collaborative Star Wars Saga Edit
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Not sure how much help I’ll be in keeping my suggestions limited hahah D: so it’s good that others are on point to do that. RogueLeader, your reference of the Phantom Editor makes an excellent point. It’s super important to keep in mind what’s possible in editing, and to work within the films that we have for a project like this. I do think that certain ideas, like changing PT lightsaber colours, fall under the TFA Restructured principle of “improving the function of something within the story”. Improving narrative function goes a bit beyond resolving inconsistencies, but if it’s a simple and effective change then I’m fine with that.

Here’s my view on the proposed changes (for the suggestions that I’ve left out I’m either not sure how to fix them or don’t see them as being a problem):

As Jar Jar has been brought up a bit, one way to add some nuance to the Gungans (without removing Jar Jar as I agree that this can’t be done, it would break the plot of both ep1 and ep2) could be to dub them with a fake alien language with subtitles when two Gunguns are talking to each other, like in the swamp scene or the final battle of ep1. This would imply that their poor use of English/Basic is because it’s a second language for them.

Why is Mace Windu the only Jedi with a purple lightsaber? / Apparently it’s because Samuel L. Jackson really likes purple, and Lucas caved with no aesthetic or lore reason at all. So I’d prefer to change the colour and make it something more meaningful. As well as Windu, there are definitely some possibilities with all the background Jedi in the ep2 final battle, also with some of the other Jedi with Windu when they confront Palpatine, and possibly Ki-Adi-Mundi as his Order 66 death scene could be an option. I also dislike having only blue and green lightsabers in the PT as it seems like weak worldbuilding, so I’d prefer adding extra colours. Really enjoyed how this was done in the Knights of the Old Republic video games, with colours indicating different classes of Jedi. So I’d be interested in adding either some yellow sabers if we just want to keep it simple with green, blue, and yellow. Or we could go full rainbow and add some purple, yellow, and orange sabers, as this could be great as well.

Why was it never explained why Jedi Master “Sifo-Dyas” ordered the clone army? / Although this subplot is really convoluted, the President of Kamino does tell Obi-Wan that the army is for the Republic, so we could assume that Sifo-Dyas was basically a rogue Jedi who ordered a clone army on the side. I don’t think this is exactly a continuity error, but we could think about how to make the plot a bit more clear here.

Why does Count Dooku just tell Obi-Wan the Sith’s strategy for undermining the Senate? / This is likely too radical for this project, but we could cut Dooku being Sidious’ apprentice. However, for this to work we’d likely need to cut Sidious being in control of the Separatists in both ep2 and ep3.

Why does Yoda run away from his fight with Palpatine? / My preference is to cut the fight, as in Hal’s ep3 edit. However, that’s likely not appropriate for this project, so perhaps we should leave it as it is.

Why does the Death Star take so long to build?/ One option could be to use the shot in Hal’s V3 ep3 edit, where Coruscant replaces the Death Star.

What’s up with Anakin’s yellow Sith eyes? Why does Anakin momentarily get them but we don’t see Dooku, Luke when he almost killed Vader, or Kylo Ren ever have them? / Would be great to remove Anakin’s Sith eyes if possible.

Why does 3PO mention the princess on board Tantive IV, then doesn’t know about the princess when he is with Luke? / Adywan’s solution could be the way to go on this. Though, following the PT, wouldn’t it be fair for the audience to assume that 3PO is now Leia’s butler (and this seems to be the case in ep5)?

On the problem of having two Death Stars, although it does bother me it’s probably best to leave it alone, as I’m not sure how this could be easily fixed.

Why doesn’t Obi-Wan remember R2 or 3PO? / As he’s trying to deceive Luke about Vader. Could cut Obi-Wan’s line “I don’t seem to remember ever owning a droid” to alleviate this.

“Your father wanted you to have this when you were old enough…”/ Either cut the line or change it to “I wanted you to have this…” if possible.

Are stormtroopers clones? / I’d prefer to keep them as clones throughout the saga, and assume that they use different templates (for Jango, Finn, Phasma, etc). As droids are important throughout the saga, and the droids vs. clones theme of the PT helps to set this up. This would require two cuts in ep7: scene on the star destroyer bridge, cut part of Kylo’s line “perhaps Leader Snoke should consider using a clone army” to Hux; scene in Maz’s bar, cut part of Finn’s line “taken from a family I’ll never know, and” to Rey, so his line reads as “like all of them I was | raised to do one thing”. This could also be supported by adding part of the ep8 extended megadestroyer infiltration deleted scene, as some lines could imply that Finn is a clone. It’s not an obvious continuity error, just removing a retcon I’d prefer wasn’t in the films.

What was Luke’s plan to save Han? / No idea what Luke had in mind, but making a sensible plan would likely require substantially restructuring the first act of ep6, which may be beyond the scope of this project.

How can Leia remember her mother, when Padme died in childbirth? / Cut Padme’s death in ep3, probably as in Hal’s ep3 edit.

Leia is Luke’s sister? Incest vibes? / Basically this would mean making some simple cuts throughout the OT, which should be easy enough. Not sure if this qualifies as a continuity error, though maybe if they’d known from the beginning that Luke and Leia would be siblings then it would’ve been left out.

  • ep4: when R2 shows Luke the hologram of Leia, remove Luke’s line “she’s beautiful”; in the Falcon cockpit, after the heroes have escaped the Death Star, cut the rest of the conversation after Han’s line “I’m trying not to kid”, to remove Han making fun of Luke for being attracted to Leia.
  • ep5: cut Luke and Leia’s kiss on Hoth (the cut can be covered with a reaction shot of Luke from earlier in the scene).
  • ep6: scene where Luke leaves to confront Vader, cut from Han’s line “Hey, what’s going on?” to Leia’s line “Hold me”, to remove Leia being a bit hysterical and Han being suspicious; kiss between Han and Leia after the Death Star is destroyed, cut from Han’s line “You love him, don’t you?” to Leia’s line “It’s not like that at all, he’s my brother”. Not totally necessary to remove this part of the conversation, but it’s a weird exchange.

Not all of these cuts may be necessary, but they’re all the scenes that could be considered related to the incest subplot.

“Obi-Wan once thought as you do…” / Adding “your mother” to the “Obi-Wan once thought as you do” line would be a great solution, if an appropriate source could be found.

How can two trees destroy an armored battle vehicle like an AT-ST? / Cut this shot, I’d also cut the Ewoks trying to trip up an AT-ST with a rope and shoot it with a catapult, as it makes them look ridiculous.

How did Anakin know how to become a force ghost? / My preference here is to cut the shot of the force ghosts. I don’t think Anakin should have this power as part of his redemption is accepting his own death, but this change is likely beyond the scope of this project.

Why isn’t hyper speed ramming more of a thing? / One solution could be to cut the majority of the silent part of this scene, so we only see the destruction of the megadestroyer and not the annihilation of most of the First Order fleet. Then the hyperspace kamikaze move would be more like a standard fire ship tactic, but this is likely too radical.

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#1193682
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A Collaborative Star Wars Saga Edit
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Sounds like good guidelines so far, Asimov’s laws of robotics are a helpful way to think of this!

Separate threads for each trilogy could help spread things out, threads for each films might be too much though. Or threads by project category (reports, discussion, etc) could work. Depends what you’d prefer to set up, RogueLeader.

I have a few suggestions that I’ll throw into the ring here:

  • Give Mace Windu a blue lightsaber (I think this has already been done for ep2 by Jackpumpkinhead).
  • Relation between Obi-Wan and R2 (PT and ep4): cut “I don’t seem to remember ever owning a droid” in ep4. Apart from this line it doesn’t bother me too much, Obi-Wan is deceiving Luke in general and it’d be too difficult to remove all scenes with R2 and Obi-Wan in the PT.
  • Two Death Stars in the OT: This seems to me like the major contradiction within the OT. If Lucas knew he was going to continue past ep4 then the Death Star wouldn’t have been destroyed in that film, but editing the final battle to avoid this would be a major (and likely problematic) change.
  • The incest subplot (Han and Luke being jealous of each other throughout the OT, and the kiss between Leia and Luke on Hoth): shouldn’t be too difficult to cut, and makes Leia’s comments in ep6 less weird. Also removes some of Han’s more annoying bits in ep6.
  • Vader’s reference to Obi-Wan in ep6: where he says to Luke “Obi-Wan once thought as you do”, as in ep3 Padme tries to turn Anakin back from the dark side. Could simply cut the line?
  • Clone Army retcon in ep7: as lines by both Hux and Finn state that the stormtroopers are no longer clones. I know this is also in parts of the EU, but if the troopers aren’t clones anymore then the whole Kamino investigation subplot of ep2 is a bit of a waste of time.

Dom, you make a good point about the feasibility of the project 😕 though even if it does end up being a collective resource that would still be useful. If this becomes the revised aim of the project, then perhaps it would be better to work towards slightly more intensive changes (like making Windu’s lightsaber blue or replotting the vague reference to Sifo-Dyas), as simple dialogue cuts are easy enough to make for individual projects.

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#1191995
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A Collaborative Star Wars Saga Edit
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Sounds like an excellent idea, I’d be happy help with basic editing work.

Though I wonder how much work would actually be necessary, if this kind of project would provide much more than has already been done in other edits like Hal’s PT and TFA Restructured? It would be interesting to write up some possible changes, including new ideas and things that would be copied from existing edits and see how those two things compare.

As you say, things can’t really be finalised until ep9 is out, but that’s no reason not to get started if enough people are on board 😄

Also, Hal’s point about having RogueLeader guide the project is a good one. Collaboration is great and all, but a project this large could benefit from some solid direction.

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#1183859
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Imhotep's Star Wars Saga
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Yo, sorry for the delay. Yeah, I’ll have another look at the titles and see if I can come up with something else for either ep1 or ep8. Will have a look at giving Rogue One an episode number as well, as I do agree on this. To me Rogue One feels like the end to the PT we never got with Lucas.

Ah not sure when I’ll get another chance to work on the edits as things are quite busy with work at the moment. Though I’d say they’re in a serviceable state as they are (except for ep4), so now is as good a time as any! PM me and we can sort it.

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#1171186
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Collipso said:

It’s the same guy. Matthew Woods is his name, I believe. He voiced both the droids and Grievous in TCW and Grievous in Episode III. Not sure if he voiced the droids in III, but he might’ve.

Ah yeah, I did use some of TCW Grievous dialogue in ep3, but I’m not sure if I’ll keep it as it sounds a bit too different from the ep3 dialogue. Though I guess that’s more due to how they altered the voice, rather than the voice actor.

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#1171184
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Imhotep's Star Wars Saga
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Thanks for the extensive reply! Hopefully I can bring the three trilogies together and make them more cohesive, but I’m a little worried about it as well 😄

Yeah, you’ve got it, those are the main changes.

As for the names, I can give some reasons as to why I chose them. I’ve tried to vary the titles a bit (mostly by avoiding the “X of the Y” formula). I guess the ep6 and ep8 theatrical titles are just a reference to Luke, so I don’t find them very interesting either, but I’ll try and justify my ep1 and ep8 titles being so similar:

  • Veil of Darkness continues in the vein of The Phantom Menace and Hal’s Cloak of Deception, implying that there is some dark unknown force yet to be revealed. It also refers to Anakin’s character, as his fate is unknown at this point.
  • A Separatist Threat was used because ep2 is about misdirection and setting up the tragedy of ep3. So the opening of ep2 is meant to imply that the Separatists are the most pressing danger to the Republic, but the Republic will become the Empire due to internal causes, such as the passivity of the Jedi and the ambition of Palpatine.
  • Twilight of the Republic refers to the light/darkness metaphor established in the ep1 subtitle. Also, in ep6 Yoda delivers the line “Twilight is upon me, and so night must fall”, so it’s also a reference to this.
  • Dominion of the Sith describes the political situation at the beginning of the film, however it’s also a slight misdirection, as by the end of the film the Rebellion has emerged to challenge (and ultimately overthrow) this dominion.
  • A Hidden Fortress is a reference to the Kurosawa film, and to the various hidden fortresses in ep4: the Death Star, Tatooine for Obi-Wan and Luke, and Yavin IV. Also, one of the Imperial Moffs almost finishes delivering the line “…or given you clairvoyance enough to find the Rebel’s hidden fortress” before he is force choked by Vader.
  • The Force Unknown is an inversion of The Force Awakens. It also refers to Vader for Luke, the Rebel cell on Hoth for the Empire, and both the Force and the Chosen One for Yoda and Obi-Wan (as they will, in ep6, continue to counsel Luke to kill rather than redeem Vader).
  • A New Dawn refers to the light/darkness metaphor, specifically to Twilight of the Republic, as the new Republic of ep7 is able to be established due to the events of ep6.
  • Fate of the Rebellion is to contrast with the optimism of A New Dawn in that ep7 undoes much of what was achieved in the OT, as the Jedi Academy and Republic are destroyed once again. So the new dawn promised by ep6 was false in some sense.
  • Odyssey of Darkness refers to the light/darkness metaphor again, specifically to Veil of Darkness, and indicates the position of the heroes of ep8 in relation to the heroes of ep1, as in ep8 our heroes are beyond the veil of ep1; in ep8 our heroes are now in the position of the Separatists of the PT, whereas this was not exactly true for the Rebellion of the OT (except perhaps for Saw Gerrera). Odyssey of Darkness also equally refers to Rey’s more existential odyssey and to the odyssey of the Resistance fleet from D’Qar to Crait, perhaps also to Finn and Rose’s odyssey which has fatal consequences for the Resistance fleet.
  • Triumph of the Force refers to The Force Unknown, as ep9 will presumably fulfil the contradictions of the previous episodes, and so the Force will have become fully realised at this point.

For these reasons I’d prefer to keep Odyssey of Darkness as is, but thanks for your suggestion.

I love this idea about giving Rogue One the “Episode IV” number and increasing the number of the other episodes, as I consider Rogue One to be essential for the OT, but I wonder if this would make things a bit too confusing?

Thanks for pointing out those problems with the demo clips, I think I’ve fixed up the problem with the Boss Nass scene, and I’ll review the ep5 Hoth medbay scene and deleted scene integration when I have time. Hopefully I’ll be able to make the cuts run a bit smoother there. If you find any other errors please let me know 😃

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#1169975
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Imhotep's Star Wars Saga
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This is a series of edits, currently including all 7 available Episodes and Rogue One, with a tentative cutlist for Episode 8. Episode 9 will also be edited if necessary. The project is still a work in progress, but I wanted to get the edits out as they are and see what you all think of them. There will likely be some errors scattered throughout, but hopefully you can get a feel for the overall concept of this variation on the Saga.

My technical expertise is quite limited (basically to what I’ve learnt working through this project), so any feedback or advice would be much appreciated.

With respect to the PT - where so much work has already been done - I have taken a similar approach to Octorox; my edits are as much hybrids of previous edits as they are my own work, with sequences, shots, or audio often sourced from other edits. Though this is becoming increasingly true for my other edits as well.

Cuts were made according to several practical principles:
• To minimize the unnecessary repetition of dialogue and events
• To remove particular lines where they obscure the dialogue or function of the scene as a whole
• To remove unnecessary action
• Where possible, to remove dialogue from a shot entirely so that only the image and music/foley remain
• To maintain the episodic nature of the films, and their relation as parts to the saga as a whole

Cuts were also made according to (what was worked out through this project as) the concept of Star Wars. At times it was necessary to work out this concept through writing out more theoretical notes (https://docs.google.com/document/d/16HIYjQ_R59mrCh0ZpugrAoI0dCAGdtQ9TiJPk_Kz_o8/edit?usp=sharing).

Though I’ve attempted to cut the films into a more cohesive saga, if you’re interested in one or two of the edits in particular there’s no reason why they can’t be watched in isolation, only the new ep5 and ep6 title crawls won’t make sense if watched this way.

Major changes:
• All films have new episode titles and title crawls
(https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jniKThfEReg3iZvgwJKJIy12gQ_Vhmt6eLlkNpihgRQ/edit?usp=sharing)
• Various minor scene and dialogue trims have been made throughout
• Various deleted scenes have been added (despite the OT deleted scenes being in poor condition, and the timestamp on part of the TFA deleted scene)
• Various cuts have been made throughout to maintain continuity, for example Padme doesn’t die in ep3, some dialogue cuts to Obi Wan and R2’s reunion in ep4, Vader’s reference to Obi-Wan rather than Padme in ep6 with respect to ep3, and all lines in ep7 stating that the stormtroopers are no longer clones have been removed
• In the PT the Illuminati subplot has been removed: the Trade Federation, Count Dooku, and the Separatists are not depicted as being allied with Darth Sidious (except where Dooku reveals that Nute Gunray was betrayed by Sidious). Darth Sidious does not appear until he is confronted by Mace Windu. The Separatists then perform the function in the PT that the Rebellion provides for the OT, and the Resistance for the ST
• In TPM all of Sidious’ scenes have been removed
• In AotC the forbidden love subplot has been removed and the detective subplot trimmed, as in the Attack of the Phantom edit
• In RotS the opening sequence has been heavily trimmed, including the buzz droids, elevator sequence, and crash landing; the duel between Obi-Wan and Grievous has also been shortened, from when the Republic armada arrives
• Rogue One has been given a title crawl, and various wipe transitions have been added
• For the OT Harmy’s Despecialised editions have been used as the primary source. The only SE shots used are the exterior shot of the rebel hangar on Yavin IV in ANH, some shots in Jabba’s palace and to remove Anakins eyebrows in RotJ
• In the OT the incest subplot has been removed: Luke no longer refers to Leia’s hologram as beautiful, Han doesn’t taunt Luke about being interested in Leia, Luke and Leia don’t kiss, and Han isn’t jealous of Luke in RotJ
• In the OT there is only one Death Star: it is not destroyed in ANH (in ANH the final battle has been trimmed and cut into the earlier escape from the Death Star sequence so that it is not destroyed here, though the sequence needs work it should give an idea of how it will play out), the new RotJ crawl attempts to justify its change in appearance, and the rebel briefing scene in RotJ has been trimmed accordingly
• For TFA, my edit is in line with the Restructured edit curated by Hal9000, and is partially sourced from that edit.
• In TFA R2 does not have the rest of the map; Rey uses the force to locate Luke

I only have a partial cutlist at the moment, detailing the most significant changes (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gdMdFvH6bLu-dVpSz_3RNNlh01LmNxcsAyrfQq-qOpk/edit?usp=sharing), and have also uploaded some demo scenes (https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B6VlVFdyzUPneEVVQlYwVk1jM2s?usp=sharing).

Titles and running times:
• Episode I - VEIL OF DARKNESS (at 94 minutes with 42 minutes cut, theatrical at 136 minutes)
• Episode II - A SEPARATIST THREAT (at 90 minutes with 52 minutes cut, theatrical at 142 minutes)
• Episode III - TWILIGHT OF THE REPUBLIC (at 99 minutes with 41 minutes cut, theatrical at 140 minutes)
• DOMINION OF THE SITH (Rogue One) (at 131 minutes with 3 minutes cut, theatrical at 134 minutes)
• Episode IV - A HIDDEN FORTRESS (at 105 minutes with 17 minutes cut, theatrical at 122 minutes)
• Episode V - THE FORCE UNKNOWN (at 121 minutes with 5 minutes cut, theatrical at 126 minutes)
• Episode VI - A NEW DAWN (at 111 minutes with 22 minutes cut, theatrical at 133 minutes)
• Episode VII - FATE OF THE REBELLION (at 126 minutes with 12 minutes cut, theatrical at 138 minutes)
• Episode VII - ODYSSEY OF DARKNESS?
• Episode IX - TRIUMPH OF THE FORCE?

References:
• Adywan’s Episode IV - A New Hope: Revisited, and Episode V - Empire Strikes Back: Revisited
• Digmodification’s Rise of the Rebellion, and Episode VII - Heir to the Force
• Hal 9000’s Episode I - Cloak of Deception, Episode II - The Approaching Storm, Episode III - Labyrinth of Evil, and Episode VII - The Force Awakens: Restructured
• Harmy’s Despecialized Editions for the OT
• Jackpumpkinhead’s Custom Crawl Creator
• L8wrtr’s Episode I - Shadow of the Sith, Episode II - The Republic Divided, and Episode III - Dawn of the Empire
• NeverarGreat’s Episode VIII - The Starlight Project (forthcoming)
• Octorox’s Episode I - The Phantom Menace - Faster, More Intense!, and Episode II - Attack of the Clones, Sanded Down
• Phantom Editor’s Episode I - The Phantom Edit, and Episode II - Attack of the Phantom
• Schorman’s HDTV Star Wars Saga Preservation for the PT
• Seciors’ Episode I - Return of the Sith, and Episode II - Army of the Republic
• Swagbeditor’s Episodes I, II, III - A Galaxy Betrayed

More specific references have been noted in the cutlist.

There are some further possibilities I’d like to pursue, but lack either the skill or time to follow up on. I may get to some of these tasks later on, though if anyone is interested in assisting or giving advice with these it would be much appreciated:
• Possibly redo the custom crawls in After Effects, mostly to try and fix letter spacing as I couldn’t figure out how to do it by line in Blender
• Remove slugs from single shot in ep2 assassination scene
• Remove ignited lightsabers from the background of a single shot in the ep2 arena battle, as in the Attack of the Phantom edit
• Colour some PT lightsabers yellow, as a reference to Knights of the Old Republic: Mace Windu, Ki-Adi-Mundi, and a few other background Jedi in the ep2 arena battle
• Colour youngling lightsabers white in ep2
• Dub General Grievous; I’ve written out new lines, but am unsure if I’ll be able to do this competently
• Remove planet in new Rogue One title crawl
• Remove Rogue One planet titles (preferably not by cropping)
• Add intercom voiceover (as in Rogue One) where Red and Gold squadrons depart Yavin IV for the Death Star in ep4
• Remove Yavin from the background of shots where Red and Gold squadrons approach the Death Star in ep4
• Remove OT deleted scene image noise/damage
• Colour C-3PO silver in early shots of the ep6 Tatooine sequence as, according to the restructure, he shouldn’t have arrived at Jabba’s palace yet
• Remove ST deleted scene timestamps

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The Starlight Project Part 2: The Last Jedi (SPOILERS)
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Your alternate crawl sounds good, but I always find it hard to tell without seeing it in motion. Though I’m not sure about “awaiting the return of the legendary Luke Skywalker”, I’d go with something on reigniting the rebellion here instead. Also, I’d say farthest rather than furthest in paragraph two.

Your idea for Holdo in TFA is interesting. If you could make it work, I think a close up of Holdo (something like with Korr Sella on the planet) would be great.

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#1069548
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The Force Awakens - The Starlight Project
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About the ‘interrogation 7’ mockup, some of the cuts feel a little rushed but that may be fixable with a bit more work, perhaps on the audio side. This sequence does add an effective psychological element to Kylo’s distress at Rey escaping.

I do prefer some of your dialog trims, like removing ‘Supreme Leader senses it’ from the ‘forgive me…’ scene, and removing some of the stormtroopers dialogue when Rey escapes.

At the end of ESB, when Luke is on the Falcon and is communicating with Vader through the force I think they use a 3 frame dissolve to switch between Luke and Vader. Perhaps you could use that instead of fading out the different lighting where Rey wakes up in the first half of the interrogation? I like the idea that Rey is seeing herself through Kylo’s eyes through a kind of force dream, but not sure if that’s what you’re going for here.

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#944803
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The Force Awakens Fan Edit Ideas - ** SPOILERS **
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Maybe R2 having the map could be cut entirely? So there never was a complete map and Rey finds Luke through the force? Could be an interesting twist on the ‘quest to find a maguffin’ thing

I’ve edited the scene where R2 wakes up so that the map isn’t mentioned, and I moved C3P0s line ‘oh my dear friend, how I’ve missed you’ forward to this scene. It needs more work though

What do you think, would it work?

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#941621
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The Force Awakens Fan Edit Ideas - ** SPOILERS **
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Kexikus said:

@Imhotep: I don’t think that your approach can work story-wise, as Finn goes from leaving to fighting the First Order with no explanation at all. The audience would assume he left after he talks to Rey and later he suddenly returns for no reason.

Thanks for the advice. I went back and watched the whole Maz’s castle sequence and you’re right; the scene with Finn, Han, and Maz is too short for it to work.
Hal’s cut is clearer, and placing the “where’s Rey” scene where Hux’s speech was is good. I wasn’t sure what to do with that jump cut of Rey running through the forest.

Your crawl is good, it seems more coherent. I thought I’d miss the “Luke Skywalker has vanished” line but I prefer your take.
In the “With the Jedi gone…” line it sounds like you’re referring to order 66. I like the tie in with the prequels, just wondering if that’s what you meant?

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#939970
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The Force Awakens Fan Edit Ideas - ** SPOILERS **
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Been lurking for a while but I’m keen to contribute to this thread

I’ve been working on an edit with the space laser moved to the end, this is the scene I cut to fix Finn leaving: https://vimeo.com/165755482

He never leaves the building so the next time we see him is in the basement to receive the lightsaber. I also cut Finn saying ‘please’, didn’t think it fit with him being a coward in this scene