TFA: Give Phasma way more screen time.
TLJ: All of the aliens don’t speak English.
Is Welsh okay for you, mate ? 😉
Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here?
Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?
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Wouldn’t that be xenophobic, not racist?
TPM-make Anakin 17 or 18 …AOTC -No Yoda with Lightsaber , I actively seek out fan edits that omit this …ROTS -no Yoda/Palpatine duel , I always thought these 2 characters had advanced beyond the need for sabers .ANH-put back in the deleted Biggs scenes . ESB-not a damn thing if it is the original cut , it is perfect to me .ROTJ- go with the original plan and have the Ewoks be Wookiees . TFA-a little more background on the political situation in the galaxy …what happened to Coruscant ? TLJ-put back in the deleted scene of Luke mourning Han .
TMP - Age up Anakin to about 17/18.
AOTC - Give Obi-Wan another pupil, who is also tempted towards the dark side.
ROTS - Make it look like Anakin and the other pupil die about midway through the movie, with proto-Vader (mask, but no life support suit) taking his place.
ANH - Fix the Death Star plans graphics.
ESB - Include a line from Lando about Han endangering the people of Bespin (thanks, RougeLeader)
ROTJ - Replace the Second Death Star with a skyhook above a volcanic planet (basically Mustafar).
R1 - No puns from Vader.
Solo - No imperial officer giving Han his surname.
TFA - No Starkiller Base.
TLJ - No green milk scene.
TMP - Age up Anakin to about 17/18.
AOTC - Give Obi-Wan another pupil, who is also tempted towards the dark side.
ROTS - Make it look like Anakin and the other pupil die about midway through the movie, with proto-Vader (mask, but no life support suit) taking his place.
YES to all of these, though I don’t think “no life support suit” is necessary for act 3 EpIII Vader.
TMP - Age up Anakin to about 17/18.
AOTC - Give Obi-Wan another pupil, who is also tempted towards the dark side.
ROTS - Make it look like Anakin and the other pupil die about midway through the movie, with proto-Vader (mask, but no life support suit) taking his place.YES to all of these, though I don’t think “no life support suit” is necessary for act 3 EpIII Vader.
I could go either way with that. My thinking about that final duel on Mustafar would be to have Obi-Wan fighting pre-suit Vader (mask with vocal distortion, but no breathing sounds or extensive cybernetics). This Vader, who is never linked to Anakin other than saying he destroyed him, would fall to his near-death onto the embankment of a lava river. This injury would render him quadriplegic (per the technical commentaries), leading to the immolation and the necessity for the suit. It could also be a way for the “Obi-Wan once thought as you do” line to make sense, as Obi-Wan tries to reach out to Vader and Vader chooses to fall to his death (I got the idea here). It’s like poetry, it rhymes! 😉
If we go with the “he’s already wearing the suit” option, perhaps he fought the other pupil and they both sustained substantial injuries before Palpatine intervened. With it left ambiguous who truly lived, Vader would seek out Obi-Wan and Padme. Padme would plead with this new man, trying to persuade him to come back to the light. He tries to kill her before Obi-Wan intervenes and starts the fight. Vader could also be immolated again here or trapped in something to allow Obi-Wan and Padme to escape.
Keeping Vader a mystery man in Episode III should have been a goal of the prequels (same with keeping Yoda off-screen and allowing Padme to survive the prequels on Alderaan with Leia). I like it when fanedits cut out Vader’s name and suit appearance from the film.
If we go with the “he’s already wearing the suit” option, perhaps he fought the other pupil and they both sustained substantial injuries before Palpatine intervened. With it left ambiguous who truly lived, Vader would seek out Obi-Wan
Yep, that’s pretty much how I’ve always wished it had gone.
I don’t think it ever would have been possible to do the prequels while keeping Yoda’s appearance a secret, though. And that’s not a big enough reveal in Empire that the audience knowing who Yoda is before Luke causes that much of a problem IMO.
If we go with the “he’s already wearing the suit” option, perhaps he fought the other pupil and they both sustained substantial injuries before Palpatine intervened. With it left ambiguous who truly lived, Vader would seek out Obi-Wan
Yep, that’s pretty much how I’ve always wished it had gone.
I don’t think it ever would have been possible to do the prequels while keeping Yoda’s appearance a secret, though. And that’s not a big enough reveal in Empire that the audience knowing who Yoda is before Luke causes that much of a problem IMO.
Indeed. It gives the whole scene a nice bit of situational irony, as we know that it’s Yoda but Luke doesn’t. Had the Prequels preserved Yoda’s sense of humor and general OT characterization, it’d be kind of funny.
However, I’ve still thought of ways to do the Prequels without Yoda appearing (he’d be mentioned a bunch, but never manifest in the flesh). These include:
-he’s exiled himself away from a corrupted Jedi Order, with Obi-Wan as his last pupil
-he was exiled by the Jedi Order for not siding with their current policies (which, if we’re talking release order viewing, should give viewers a perspective on the latter days of the order), with Obi-Wan taking his side in policy matters (a la Qui-Gon/Dooku in the Prequels)
Of course, have it be so that only Obi-Wan knows where he is. That way he can call him up via Force skype.
The prequels showing how Anakin becomes Vader make for an interesting case of dramatic irony in the classical mold. I don’t think it’s necessarily a bad thing at all.
I do think it would be cool if, instead of Anakin having literalistic visions of Padmé dying in childbirth, he had more symbolic ones of suited Darth Vader striking her down. That way, first-time viewers watching chronologically would get a reveal of their own, comparable to that of “I am your father” from watching in release order.
“That Darth Vader, man. Sure does love eating Jedi.”
I’ve never liked “Obi-Wan had a second apprentice, one named Vader the other Anakin, both turn evil, and then one dies while the other secretly survives.
It feels awfully contrived, and distorts the meaning of the PT to benefit the plot twist in Empire. The PT is all about Anakin’s turn to the dark side as a parallel to Luke’s resistance to the dark side, and both are symbols of the galaxy - in the PT, the Republic falls to the Empire, in the OT, the Rebels resist the Empire.
Removing Anakin’s proper turn to evil is (imo) the equivalent of removing Luke standing up to the Emperor. Instead, we’d just show Vader rising and overthrowing the Emperor, leaving Luke’s story in limbo, until a plot twist in Episode 8 reveals Luke did the right thing. It doesn’t work. Likewise, adding a second apprentice even if to support Obi-Wan’s lie would be the equivalent of adding in a new character (Luke’s sister?) for the sole purpose of having us wonder who will redeem Vader.
Now, this is all implying Lucas’ vision of the PT. It could have been set from an entirely new character’s adventures / struggles and not Anakin, in which case maybe he could have showed up in the first film and then been seemingly killed. But as long as the trilogy is about Anakin’s fall or Obi-Wan’s failure, I don’t think you can thematically justify keeping the plot twist.
I’ve never liked “Obi-Wan had a second apprentice, one named Vader the other Anakin, both turn evil, and then one dies while the other secretly survives.
It feels awfully contrived, and distorts the meaning of the PT to benefit the plot twist in Empire. The PT is all about Anakin’s turn to the dark side as a parallel to Luke’s resistance to the dark side, and both are symbols of the galaxy - in the PT, the Republic falls to the Empire, in the OT, the Rebels resist the Empire.
Removing Anakin’s proper turn to evil is (imo) the equivalent of removing Luke standing up to the Emperor. Instead, we’d just show Vader rising and overthrowing the Emperor, leaving Luke’s story in limbo, until a plot twist in Episode 8 reveals Luke did the right thing. It doesn’t work. Likewise, adding a second apprentice even if to support Obi-Wan’s lie would be the equivalent of adding in a new character (Luke’s sister?) for the sole purpose of having us wonder who will redeem Vader.
Now, this is all implying Lucas’ vision of the PT. It could have been set from an entirely new character’s adventures / struggles and not Anakin, in which case maybe he could have showed up in the first film and then been seemingly killed. But as long as the trilogy is about Anakin’s fall or Obi-Wan’s failure, I don’t think you can thematically justify keeping the plot twist.
A good reason fanedits of the PT should be made with the intent of dampening the flaws/improving the strengths of the PT rather than ironing out the continuity between the two trilogies. Myths of old have internal inconsistencies, as do modern ones; we should embrace and work within that condition rather than fight against it.
I’ve never liked “Obi-Wan had a second apprentice, one named Vader the other Anakin, both turn evil, and then one dies while the other secretly survives.
It feels awfully contrived, and distorts the meaning of the PT to benefit the plot twist in Empire. The PT is all about Anakin’s turn to the dark side as a parallel to Luke’s resistance to the dark side, and both are symbols of the galaxy - in the PT, the Republic falls to the Empire, in the OT, the Rebels resist the Empire.
Removing Anakin’s proper turn to evil is (imo) the equivalent of removing Luke standing up to the Emperor. Instead, we’d just show Vader rising and overthrowing the Emperor, leaving Luke’s story in limbo, until a plot twist in Episode 8 reveals Luke did the right thing. It doesn’t work. Likewise, adding a second apprentice even if to support Obi-Wan’s lie would be the equivalent of adding in a new character (Luke’s sister?) for the sole purpose of having us wonder who will redeem Vader.
Now, this is all implying Lucas’ vision of the PT. It could have been set from an entirely new character’s adventures / struggles and not Anakin, in which case maybe he could have showed up in the first film and then been seemingly killed. But as long as the trilogy is about Anakin’s fall or Obi-Wan’s failure, I don’t think you can thematically justify keeping the plot twist.
Well first off, neither one would be named Vader until after we see the suit. The second pupil character can be a natural part of the story from TPM, say Obi-Wan’s apprentice/partner before Anakin shows up. You already have the seeds of a rivalry and resentment between Anakin and the second apprentice, which can both fuel their turn. It wouldn’t just aid the mystery, but it would also add a bit of a familial dynamic to the main characters (Obi-Wan, Anakin, and the other apprentice; with Padme to the side). That would make the fall all the more tragic and kind of flip the OT’s themes (instead of the “rebel family” coming together, it’s the “Jedi family” falling apart).
I don’t think it’s contrived at all. We can see both apprentices fall in a way that satisfies the parallel to Luke standing up to the Emperor. You can imply that they both want to serve Sidious, without actually showing them bow to Sidious and receive the name.
You do bring up a good point about the “Obi-Wan’s failure” theme, as he should have been the main character of the Prequels. We see through him how he tried to train these pupils and failed, fuelling the fall of the Jedi and his exile to Tatooine to care for the offspring of Anakin (the other pupil would have been childless). It fits within GL’s general structure of the Prequels to center on Kenobi and you can work the story in a way that preserves the ESB twist.
I’ve never liked “Obi-Wan had a second apprentice, one named Vader the other Anakin, both turn evil, and then one dies while the other secretly survives.
It feels awfully contrived, and distorts the meaning of the PT to benefit the plot twist in Empire. The PT is all about Anakin’s turn to the dark side as a parallel to Luke’s resistance to the dark side, and both are symbols of the galaxy - in the PT, the Republic falls to the Empire, in the OT, the Rebels resist the Empire.
Removing Anakin’s proper turn to evil is (imo) the equivalent of removing Luke standing up to the Emperor. Instead, we’d just show Vader rising and overthrowing the Emperor, leaving Luke’s story in limbo, until a plot twist in Episode 8 reveals Luke did the right thing. It doesn’t work. Likewise, adding a second apprentice even if to support Obi-Wan’s lie would be the equivalent of adding in a new character (Luke’s sister?) for the sole purpose of having us wonder who will redeem Vader.
Now, this is all implying Lucas’ vision of the PT. It could have been set from an entirely new character’s adventures / struggles and not Anakin, in which case maybe he could have showed up in the first film and then been seemingly killed. But as long as the trilogy is about Anakin’s fall or Obi-Wan’s failure, I don’t think you can thematically justify keeping the plot twist.
A good reason fanedits of the PT should be made with the intent of dampening the flaws/improving the strengths of the PT rather than ironing out the continuity between the two trilogies. Myths of old have internal inconsistencies, as do modern ones; we should embrace and work within that condition rather than fight against it.
I just like having the spoilers of the OT intact, which would probably necessitate a “3-in-1” edit stuck between ESB and ROTJ in viewing order.
Now, this is all implying Lucas’ vision of the PT. It could have been set from an entirely new character’s adventures / struggles and not Anakin, in which case maybe he could have showed up in the first film and then been seemingly killed. But as long as the trilogy is about Anakin’s fall or Obi-Wan’s failure, I don’t think you can thematically justify keeping the plot twist.
Well, yeah, I guess in my hypothetical PT it wouldn’t have been about Anakin’s fall any more than the OT is about Lando reforming himself as an honorable man. Anakin would have been the equivalent of Han in the first two (if Han had died on Bespin), with Obi-Wan being the clear protagonist (keeping with the “trio” idea, Obi-Wan = Luke, Anakin = Han, Luke’s mom = Leia).
But that’s getting pretty off topic for a “change one thing about each movie” thread. 😉
Yeah, this exercise can snowball pretty quickly. 😉
TPM: Make Anakin 10 years older. No Jar Jar, ever!
AotC: Real chemistry between Anakin and Padmé.
RotS: When Vader rises from the operation table, in full armor, he lashes out at Palpatine (like in the comics)
ANH: Obi-Wan vs. Vader battle (something like the first half and very end of the recent fan remake)
TESB: A force-vision with Vader while in his meditation chamber.
RotJ: A short scene of the Bothans escaping with the information on the 2nd Death Star and the Emperor.
TFA: At the end of the film, Luke found seated on a floating boulder, meditating, while several other boulders
orbit around him.
TLJ: J.J. Abrams as director
TRoS: Thrawn returns 😉
TPM: Don’t kill Maul
AtoC: Maul in, so no need for Dooku. As Anakin becomes stronger, so does Maul. Allows Palpatine to truly monitor which one is becoming more powerful.
RotS: Anakin kills Maul out of hatred, making him have an awakening that millions had to suffer at the hands of Maul, the Jedi are weak, thus the dark side can truly save Padme.
ANH: Obi-Wan holds onto Anakin’s old saber (Luke too timid to carry around some ancient weapon he doesn’t know how to use correctly), thus when Vader strikes down Obi Wan, Vader takes back his old light saber. Vader slices Obi Wans saber, Luke comes across it, now determined to learn how a lightsaber truly works, the ins and out, how to master it, hoping to avenge Obi Wan, and get back his fathers saber that Vader ‘stole.’
ESB: Vader toys with Luke by ditching the red saber for a bit during their duel. Instead continuing the fight with his old Anakin saber against Luke with a repaired Obi Wan saber. Since both saber colors are blue, it’s a symbolic way of showing a relationship; once from a time when Obi Wan and Anakin fought side by side. Now it shows that Luke is related to Vader.
RotJ: Insert cliche Wookiee planet idea instead of ewoks. Always loved the assault on the DSII.
TFA: Starkiller Base is disabled, not destroyed and instead the Resistance drives FO from it, thus securing control.
TLJ: 1-2 year time gap (anything to get away from instant “where we last left off” continuation). This time gap opens up so many storylines and character development to sprout.
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