Harmy

The shakiness of the Dewback in this shot always really bothered me, so I tried to mend it by having more of the picture from GOUT and only enhacing it with HD elements. The overall quality is therefore of course lower but I think it's worth it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40gYiDBmYeo

Unfortunately, I was so far unable to stabilize the Dewback in the shot where the heroes are entering the cantina :-(

So, I thought I'd give recreating the subs a shot. What do you guys think?

I do intend to give the bars a go but since it's virtually invisible unless watched frame by frame, I will only do it if it works without any major problems.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUWGGwKgnug

Yeah, so you mean the plastic look. I can clearly see this effect on human faces and things with that kind of texture and it really bugs me there. But short of Vader's cape, almost everything in that shot is actually made out of plastic, so I guess it doesn't bother me as much.

You_Too said:

Atlantis said:

I'm ok with using the Bluray as a source and starting with a new version. I would even suggest you output a 1080p output. It would be easy in premiere. You just replace your video with the 1080p source for the final render.

I think Harmy chose 720p because it blends better with stuff taken from GOUT and other sources that are not 1080p. Also, it helps to reduce whatever oversharpening and DVNR which seems to be present on the Blu-ray.

About the "watercolor-effect" thing at Vader's entrance, here's a comparison. (Harmy's on top, mine on bottom, downscaled to 720p)

And a closeup comparison which I've brightened a bit for it to match. Harmy's on left and mine on right.

Harmy's version is slightly blurrier, but I'd say the watercolor-effect is there on the HDTV version too.

Here's your picture compared with an unrestored 35mm scan:

Now, I really don't understand what the problem is? Less grain and more detail in the BD and HDTV can be put down to a 4 generation younger source and professional scan and I don't see any other difference.

I'm not dismissing what you're saying, I'm asking for more detail on it.

Well, it's not bad but not quite there, like all the recreations I've seen.

Oh and to that BD screenshot, again, I don't see what's supposed to be wrong with it. I'm not being an ass or anything, I really don't see it. I mean, I'm sure there was some DVNR applied there, because all the other versions I've seen of these shots, including some HD film scans, were pretty grainy but I don't think it looks bad.

Laserschwert said:

Unfortunately the font doesn't match. You have to use NewsGothic and modify some of the letters by hand.

And again, we need to remember what this project is about - simulating the experience of high quality viewing of the original, rather then a perfect preservation, so some of the "invisible" "fixes" will stay either way.

Is your 04/11 list complete now 005?

Laserschwert said:

Actually I've even done the subtitles both in English and German, so I could povide Harmy with my AfterEffects project if he wants it.

That would be great!

It's really that the blacks aren't quite black in the brightened area but rather a hazy dark blue -in movement it sort of looks like he has a blue tinted spotlight aimed at his face.

Sorry, I'm not seeing it, that picture looks perfectly fine to me and definitely not DVNRed.

I'm not sure what you mean is wrong with that picture but it doesn't look like that on the BD. I just took this from the Blu-Ray.

Where are these screens? Could you link to the specific ones that you mean?

CatBus said:

I mean, just LOOK at the screenshot of R2 and 3PO just after they landed.  Yick.

Yeah, I guess it would open space for new errors to be made. Maybe I will just stick to the project files I already have.

And Laserschwert, the credits are awesome! I see you did apply the twinkling to the stars and it looks great with the new starfield.

Huh?

Should be a piece of cake ;-)

So, do you think I should darken Vader separately for v2.0?

OK, I'm going through v1.0 and I've made a huge decision. There are so many issues I want to address that I think it just might be better to start the editing process from scratch and make it v2.0.

I may still change my mind though, since it will mean redoing the colour correction from scratch including the blast frames.

I think though, that if I do it, I will work from the BD source, though I will need to re-encode it to a high bitrate 720p first. But that will give me an opportunity to pre-brighten the source and avoid some of the compression being brought up.

I've just made an interesting discovery:

Apparently, Vader's face and body were brightened separately from the rest of the picture in 2004 - it is much more obvious in movement (that's why I even noticed it), because the animation of the mask and the handling of the levels are a bit sloppy (surprise surprise ;-). )

It's weird that it got blocked though. It's a short video from STAR WARS that Mr.J adjusted himself. I post videos like that all the time and they almost never get blocked.

I had no problem playing it. Maybe a bad download?

Oh, and it looks great!

Actually, its rear end is from the GOUT, only recoloured to fit with the rest, since in the frames before the camera starts moving faster (creating motion blur) the Dewback's ass was covered by Ben's head.

Not really, because while it is a bit different, the difference is quite small, whereas in the duel, the sabres look totally different.