Spaced Ranger said:
michaelkirschner said:
Did anybody notice that the Blu-ray insert for Star Wars says "two unforgettable droids RD-D2 and C-3PO"? Blu-ray insert
Nice catch! Apparently, no one else did. Harmy likes feedback to catch such mistakes.
Huh?
The blog won't even load for me. It hasn't been working for a few days now. Anyone else have that problem?
Yeah, it's a painting from Picasso converted to 3D :-)
On the contrary, I just did this for a school project:
OK, here's the promised video:
Spaced Ranger said:
True enough, with the exception that "Possible reference?" suggests making it a Rosetta stone or disregarding all the other sources. We're all here searching and surmising because we haven't worked on Star Wars in the 1970's, either.
Yes, but an on set photo just isn't really a good reference to take colors from directly in general, much less scanned from a magazine.
BTW, did you know (perhaps by your workflow?) if you applied a 30% saturation increase and a 30% strength 9300K temperature (with "remove color cast") to the laserdisc capture of that frame (from the 2006 DVD), it looks amazingly like your v2.0?
Yeah, I know, that's actually where the v2.0 timing comes from. I had to adjust the BD footage to look more like the GOUT (with saturation increased) to match the area surrounding the sabre. And then I wasn't able to regrade it without causing trouble in other areas, so I just pretty much kept it.
I'm sorry but using a photo of a set as this literal a reference is completely misguided, because A) It's a photo apparently scanned from a magazine or a book, so it's most likely far from what the actual colors of the set looked like and B) even if it was a faithful representation of what the actual real world colors looked like, the film went through color-grading in post-production, so the real world colors are irrelevant.
Yeah, I took the blue a bit too far in those screens, especially in the first half of the duel. But in this scene, it shouldn't be green like in v2.0 either. I'll post a video later, which will have the final colors.
Yes, the whole thing is now closer to the IB Print. I couldn't get rid of the green tint before without screwing up the sabres and skintones. Now with some better tools available in the newer AE I was able to manipulate the colors separately. As to the cyan color of Obi-Wan's sabre, like I said before, I put it in from the GOUT and there it looked like that but on the IB print it is much more blue than cyan and I now managed to recolor it without affecting the other colors in a negative way.
Well, I never made an mkv of ESB and ROTJ, so you downlaoded something weird. How big are they? If they are the same streams as the AVCHD just remuxed to mkv, you could probably use MKV Toolnix along with MKVextract to extract the streams from the mkv and then use TS Muxer to remux to AVCHD.
Anyway, here's something new:
Buying ImToo BD Creator was probably a mistake since it probably re-encodes the video a fucks up the quality (plus apparently the audio sync). What you want is a free program called TS Muxer.
Here's a complete guide including the burning and it's all absolutely free:
Maybe it would be a good idea to tell us which version (MKV or AVCHD) and how (using which software) are you burning, since this is indeed a unique issue - I even played the MKV on my Samsung standalone from an external HDD and had no such problem. And the AVCHD version or the MKV simply remuxed to m2ts should play in a PS3 as well. Also did you try playing it in VLC directly from the burned disc?
No need to apologize, I'm sure I collaborated on derailing many a thread myself :-)
I don't want to spoil your fun guys but since I have no intention of using any such scripts, could you find a different place to discuss it? Thanks :-)
@hairy_hen: Awesome. Thank you again for this fantastic project.
@Krycek87: How large is the final DTS-HD file? And could you upload it somewhere for me please? I have zero knowledge of the matter and would hate to screw it up.
I don't remember but knowing myself, I'd say it's probably customized Arial or Arial Narrow.
No.
I didn't really try to eliminate the green. There's actually still plenty of it and rightly so. I just decided to use the LPP print as a color reference here instead of the IB print, because it looks closer to what I also saw on some 8mm prints, so it was probably what it looked like on the more wide spread versions and also because I like it better. Though I made it all a little brighter than in the LPP transfer that I saw, as I believe it probably should be, plus it's really bright on the IB print, so with brightness I stuck to the IB as a reference, since that was scanned on professional equipment.
OK, I didn't read the whole thread yet, though I'm going to as I find this topic very interesting, but I couldn't resist simply posting an answer to the original question. It's gonna be small novel, sorry about that...
It is hard to define whether I'm a purist because within the confines of this site, the word purist has a little different meaning. There are some real purists here; people who out of principle would rather watch a crappy LD transfer or an old VHS then an HD version with a few minor changes and I have a great respect for that but obviously I'm not one of those people, so I'm not a purist that sense or in the sense that I'd think the original should be the only version; there are plenty of other films where I actually prefer the altered versions/director's cuts (eg. LOTR TTT or Aliens) but I'm very happy that I can watch the originals in the same or comparable quality.
I am however a purist in that I think that any official release of an unaltered version should be really absolutely unaltered beyond some basic cleanup. I actually hate the idea of a version that wouldn't have all the most obvious changes but have the "invisible" fixes such as recompositing or removing wires etc. An official release like that to me would be more offensive than an obvious Special Edition, unless again it would have the original original alongside it.
This goes for other films as well; it bothers me that in the BD of Aliens they removed the hole in the ground where Bishop's real body is hiding or that they removed the cobra reflection from the Raiders Blu Ray. It doesn't bother me to a point where it would taint my enjoyment of the movie because they are small changes but it does bother me.
So I guess I do consider myself a SW purist in the sense that I very much wish the original version was released officially in an absolutely unaltered form.
And now when and why I became such: I first saw the original SW film on TV when I was very little in the early 90s and I loved it but remembered very little of it. Then later I got the original on a copy of a copy VHS and had that for years even after the SE came out. I later got the 97SE trilogy on VHS, so I only saw the SEs of ESB and ROTJ. The original versions of all 3 films were nearly impossible to find in the Czech Republic (though they did come out but they weren't for sale anywhere anymore and none of the VHS rental places in my town had them).
Then one day, when I was like 12 we went to visit my aunt and uncle in Germany and my uncle had the originals in German (the 1995 THX release). So that was the first time I saw the original versions of ESB and ROTJ and he let me borrow the tapes and I would play the SE and the original on two VCRs at once switching between them and comparing the two versions. And I was horror struck when I found out that some of those beautiful cool special effects shots in ESB that I'd admired so much and watched frame by frame, because I was amazed that they were able to do that back in the early 80s without computer graphics, had in fact been altered - I vividly remember that moment - it was Falcon's cloud city approach and all the matte lines and harsh edges were gone in the SE and I felt cheated, the effects in the version I had been watching until then weren't cool anymore because they actually did use computer graphics, so to me as a child of the 90s, there wasn't anything special about them. I guess that was the moment I became a purist; when I was 12 or 13. And I became interested in the subject and read a lot about it and in time I realized that the originals were superior in every way, not only the effects.
But at the time, I was a content purist, because I went to high school to a bigger town, where I managed to find the Czech VHS release of the originals, so since the SEs were also only on VHS, I had them in the same quality.
It wasn't really until HD came around that I became a discontent purist. My country was always a bit behind the times with technology, so we got our first DVD player around the time SW came out on DVD in 2004 and that was also the year I first went to England and I bought the SW DVDs there but along with them I also bought a used 1995 THX widescreen VHS set, and because we only had a CRT TV, I was perfectly happy with that for the time and then when I went to England again two years later I bought the GOUT and was pretty happy with that too.
But then in 2008 we got a new 19" monitor with HD resolution and I first downloaded the HDTV rips of SW and then finally there was no version of the OOT that could come close to that quality in my eyes and that's when I became very unhappy with the situation.
Yeah, this kind of color timing doesn't really match ToD very well. And it's quite possible that they abandoned this coloring by the time they were grading the IPs for ToD. Though I do personally like the look of it on TLC.
Yes, and a warmer color palette.
@INv8r: Thanks. As to the wipe, I didn't really do anything to fix it but it might have got better as a byproduct of the over-all correction.
@pittrek: Well, it's because the Blu is much darker. You can of course brighten the shadows and niot the highlights but there's a point where it starts looking unnatural and tampered with. In the whole DeEd the highlights are a bit more crushed than in the murky BD but like I said, with the over-all brightening it would look unnatural if they weren't.
I'm not sure that he realizes what it means.
jero32 said:
edit: the plane is a matte? Jesus, I can't even tell.
Just the background. But look how it compares to the BD and the DVD:
I disagree. The IB Print of Star Wars very much shows the same yellow/teal bias in many scenes. This color palette is popular in modern films for a reason - it looks good. I don't see why they couldn't have aimed for the same color timing in the 70s and 80s.
Also, the shot of the plane is a matte painting and to me it looks tweaked in the DVD rather than the BD.