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Harmy

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#1317305
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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Well, I kind of softened up on the issue over the years - erasing history is wrong, sure, but thanks to the frustrated fans here taking matters in their own hands, we’re closer than ever to having those versions in 4K77 and 4K83 and hopefully soon 4K80. These preserve the films the way people saw them in theaters back then, so we, here on this, site got frustrated and angry and that drove us to make sure history won’t be erased for those who care. Honestly, I ,of course, hope the originals do get an official release one day but as long as the fan versions are available and Disney doesn’t push against them being freely available to those who want them, I’m happy.

Sure, the general public won’t get to see fan preservations, but the general public doesn’t really care either way, since to them it’s just a movie - they don’t think about film history and how the films were made and so they will remain ignorant - but the general public is totally ignorant of much more important things in history and elsewhere. And the people who do care can get them and research them for historical reasons very easily, thanks to this site.

So, at this point, to me, it is mostly about “I want the version I like”. The main reason I like Star Wars any more is the technical stuff - marveling at how they were able to achieve those shots with the technology at the time, so the altered version are completely uninteresting to me. So for my personal enjoyment, I want a good looking, clean release of the original versions but it’s not really about preserving history any more, it’s about wanting the version I like.

EDIT: This will all actually only be true once 4K80 is out - right now, the 35mm versions of Empire are kind of lacking, though again, for historical research purposes, they’re kind of ok too.

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#1308622
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The Phantom Menace - Theatrical version scanned in 4K
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To me, the blu-ray looks by far the best - sure, the waxines is a problem, but since it still has way more detail, adding some grain should solve that. And even the HDTV seems to have more detail - the problem there is the compression, which eats a lot of the detail up. Check out the handlebars on this picture:
http://www.framecompare.com/screenshotcomparison/J1BJCNNU

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#1304664
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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Rodney-2187 said:

Harmy said:

http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/J1BEFNNU

The Disney+ frame looks the best to me, but I am completely unqualified to properly evaluate.

The Despecialized will continue to be my prefered, because I just can’t stand the special edition changes. I don’t need to see Jedi Rocks any clearer.

Yeah, it looks the best to me too but by a surprisingly small margin considering that both 4K77 and DeEd are scanned from theatrical prints and DeEd is 720p.
But hopefully soon, someone will post some screens of the highest bit rate 4K stream from D+, so we can see properly.

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#1304540
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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If that’s the case, which honestly, it probably is, then the quality of it seems to be pretty bad. I’ll probably be sticking to the BD for Despecialized because at least there we know what changes were made to it and the quality seems comparable, if not better.

I’d really like someone to post a comparison screenshot of that ROTJ Luke shot from 4K83 and DEED v2.5. Can’t do it myself right now as I’m at work.

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#1304525
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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Looking at the screenshots posted so far, it does look like a new master but not necessarily a new scan, because the clarity/detail level is comparable to or worse than the 2004 masters.
It might be that they simply found the 2004 digital masters before the color grading and sharpening and upscaled them and gave them a new grade, which would have been necessary for HDR anyway.