Handman

It was not his place to tackle the problem.

Then whose was it? I’m just glad it was addressed at all. The other solution would be to simply ignore it. Ending a popular show because an earlier episode decades earlier made a silly rule is simply nonsensical.

Whoever the writer would’ve been for the thirteenth incarnation is the one who would’ve tackled the problem, but they grew impatient with this and did it with Matt Smith who was as stated the Eleventh Doctor before they retconned it.

I guess we agree, then. Moffat wanted to get rid of all the longstanding nagging problems while he could. I highly doubt the BBC itself knows the show well enough to have asked for the 12-regeneration rule to be solved, again if it were up to them it would probably have just been ignored.

I don’t think when they established the 12 regenerations rule, that they realized the show would go on as long as it has. It’s been shown in the classic show that The Master got around these boundaries, and I don’t think there was any big plan leading up to the final incarnation, seeing as the rule was established nearly 40 years before the payoff. I don’t understand this complaint at all.

It was not his place to tackle the problem.

Then whose was it? I’m just glad it was addressed at all. The other solution would be to simply ignore it. Ending a popular show because an earlier episode decades earlier made a silly rule is simply nonsensical.

Honestly, Matt Smith was made to be the last regeneration because Moffat wanted to solve the problem himself. He’s introduced so many characters and ideas that are intended to be the most important things in the Doctor’s being (River Song, Clara, “that sound is the parking brake”, regenerating into different races/genders, the 50th, etc. etc.) that it’s only natural he would want to tackle that problem too.

I’m only speculating, though.

The arguments expressed in my posts on this page do not necessarily reflect my personal views on the matter.

If you’re concerned your posts could be interpreted as defending Trump, don’t worry, we know where you stand there. These are good questions.

I agree that experience is necessary, at least a strong understanding (like Eisenhower). But, they still need a strong vision that’s theirs alone (all the best presidents do), not just acting as a figurehead for their party’s ideas, which I fear both too much and too little experience will result in.

Tl;dr There needs to be a balance between experience and outsider-ness.

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

Being aware of Trek as a tv show or film franchise does not mean you’ve looked deeply into the fandom. (A few were fans before being cast in later Trek incarnations, but most are just hard working actors.) Even Star Wars is just a movie to some folks.

I’m sorry but I disagree. Unless you’ve lived all your life on deserted island with absolutely no contact with the outside world, you have to know that both Star Trek and Star Wars have a huge devoted and somewhat crazy fan bases. It is not like there never been a Star Trek convention before NextGen.

I’ve had to explain to many people who Spock is. It’s crazy how small everything is in context of the larger world.

YOU’VE HAD TO EXPLAIN TO PEOPLE WHO SPOCK IS‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽ Who the heck are these people and where have they been for the past 50 years‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽ My God.

Regular people.

no,no,no,no. Regular people know about Spock. He’s iconic. Regular people might know about Sybok or Sonak, but they do know about Spock. You’d have to live somewhere totally unconnected to civilization to not have heard about Spock.

Well I don’t think these people are totally unconnected to civilization. People grow up knowing different things. Not everybody knows what you and I know.

I just went through this conversation about two weeks ago. But it is still weird to hear how iconic these things are all your life and to suddenly be surrounded by folks who’ve never heard of any of it.

Warbler said:

SilverWook said:

Warbler said:

SilverWook said:

doubleofive said:

Maybe Eccleston didn’t believe the reboot of Doctor Who was actually going to work. Think about how little Patrick Stewart was prepared for Star Trek: The Next Generation for the first couple years. It’s just a TV show to some, most eventually grow to love the role, but some just don’t.

I think there’s been a tradition since TNG of giving the casts of the newer Treks a friendly warning/heads up of the craziness that’s about to enter their lives.

If they have any brains, they shouldn’t need a warning. Everyone not living under huge boulder knows what Star Trek is.

Yes, but nothing can prepare you for Trekkers showing up in costume in the audience at the Shakespeare play you’re in. That actually happened to Stewart.

oh how horrible. He had to put up with people in the audience in star costumes. btw, you do realize that after doing the tv series and 4 movies, Stewart made enough money from it that he wouldn’t have to work another day for the rest of his life, right?

If you aren’t expecting it (can’t imagine why you would), it would certainly catch you off guard.

Being aware of Trek as a tv show or film franchise does not mean you’ve looked deeply into the fandom. (A few were fans before being cast in later Trek incarnations, but most are just hard working actors.) Even Star Wars is just a movie to some folks.

I’m sorry but I disagree. Unless you’ve lived all your life on deserted island with absolutely no contact with the outside world, you have to know that both Star Trek and Star Wars have a huge devoted and somewhat crazy fan bases. It is not like there never been a Star Trek convention before NextGen.

I’ve had to explain to many people who Spock is. It’s crazy how small everything is in context of the larger world.

Warbler said:
Maybe if he’d open his mouth about the other reasons, I would understand better. I’d love to know what those reasons are.

As much as I’d be interested in knowing too, it’s not our business (which is what I’m sure he would say if any random person asked him), and it’s been 12 years.

They did, but Star Trek Continues funded three episodes before then, so they’re allowed to produce and release those, but can’t… continue.

Star Trek Continues just put out a new episode, guest starring John de Lancie in a role other than Q. I’m not sure what you guys think of fan series, I myself have not been impressed with most efforts, but this show is probably as close as we’re going to get to “new” TOS episodes. This episode, in true TOS fashion, isn’t subtle about its social commentary, I don’t know if I should spoil it, but I’m guessing you’d all appreciate it.

Lots of loiterers.

Warbler said:

It seems that there are alot of complaints about HBO’s planned new tv show about what things would be like if the Confederacy had won. Could someone tell me why this is not acceptable but a show about what things would be like if the Nazi’s had won, was acceptable? Is there a difference that I am not seeing?

The Civil War remains controversial in the U.S. while Nazis do not. Everybody hates Nazis. The Civil War is more complicated. That’s my best guess.

If we’re doing that, this is what I’d put them as:

5 > 9 > 10 > 8 > 7 > 6.

I must say, season 10 was pretty strong, outside of that three parter (Extremis is included here) and the 2016 Christmas Special, for what I’ve come to expect from it recently.

suspiciouscoffee said:

Handman said:

suspiciouscoffee said:

yhwx said:

I’ve heard coffee is a good drug and it’s legal in all 50 states!

Sorry, but I’m not 18 yet.

suspiciouscoffee doesn’t drink coffee… that’s suspicious.

I never said I didn’t.

Oh.

suspiciouscoffee said:

yhwx said:

I’ve heard coffee is a good drug and it’s legal in all 50 states!

Sorry, but I’m not 18 yet.

suspiciouscoffee doesn’t drink coffee… that’s suspicious.

Sougouk said:

Handman said:

Last night I sung along to “New York, New York” and no one else I was with knew what it was. I continue to be shocked at this cultural divide.

Well, you better start spreading the news…

Update: I did last week, and today one of them told me In the Wee Small Hours is one of their favorite albums now. Man, what a week… a lot has happened.

SPOILERS

And Star Trek V was a tough pill to swallow anyway. Spock was never hesitant to point out he had a human mother, it makes no sense for any of his family not to mention the sister in Starfleet. Sybok was the guy in the family you wanted to ignore existed anyway. This show is really looking… troubled.

The only issue I see with the show would be lazy writing. Someone mentioned earlier if the female Doctor was done in the 80s, it wouldn’t be done right, but I haven’t been confident in this show’s writing for years to be assured it will be done right today. Luckily, we have a new creative team as well, so I can only hope for the best.

I do agree with you about having more stand alone episodes. I am also tired of the overblown epicness all the time. Another thing a tired of is the sort of killing off of companions. Why can’t companions leave like they did in the original series?

I pretty much agree with this sentiment entirely.

Deborah Watling, companion to Patrick Troughton’s Doctor.

Oh! Yeah, you’re right. :p

I really didn’t expect such a backlash to a surprising and embarrassing experience. I thought it would be relatable. I don’t understand why I bothered now.

I feel like I should mention the fact that I expected people to join in when I started singing along. I don’t quite see how the rest of the conversation is relevant to my initial statement.

Yeah, but it sucks feeling alone because of a huge cultural divide.

SilverWook said:

Do they even know who Sinatra is?

I dread to find the answer to that. Long standing cultural icons I always thought everybody knew are continually proven obscure here.

Last night I sung along to “New York, New York” and no one else I was with knew what it was. I continue to be shocked at this cultural divide.