Handman

Yeah. Harmy has been an enormous influence in my own pursuits to become a film archivist. Thank you, Harmy!

Whatever it means, it certainly demonstrates LFL is much more relaxed about imagery of the original versions being out there. 10 years ago, I’m positive they’d have had to have used the SE.

This is great news!

Thank you, Hal!

I don’t know how to feel about this. It feels like a natural progression from everything that has happened in the past few years, but it doesn’t make it any less difficult to process. I always knew this place wouldn’t be around forever, but to think it may disappear altogether sometime next year is kind of crazy. Much thanks to oojason’s History of OT thread and to Jay for keeping the content properly archived for all of these years.

From Laserdisc preservations, to Harmy’s Despecialized Editions, to full blown theatrical print restorations, this site has been through a lot, far greater than its original intended purpose. Without this site, we’d have never gotten the GOUT, and we’d have never seen any decent version of the theatrical trilogy make its way to the masses. Oh, someone would have done it, but it certainly would not have been felt to the full extent it has with this site. The original Star Wars would be forgotten.

But today, it lives. And we have this site to thank for that.

That is amazing. ❤️

The work that goes into this is astounding. I wish I could do it. I’m thankful somebody can!

Where exactly in my response did I accuse you or Smithers or anyone else of constantly complaining?

Deathstar1138 did. He was rather rude, and received it in kind.

But go ahead, bite the hand that feeds you. It would be so much easier, safer, and less stressful to just work on these projects and keep them to ourselves, like Mr Verta…

All I want is some kind of understanding. If that’s going to be the attitude… I’ll just stop talking.

Williarob said:

JonathanArthur19 said:

deathstar1138 said:

So, let me get this straight, if the crawl is improved and lot better,
then you’ll download the 40gig file anyways, but you’ll ignore anything else.

And if its not better, you’ll never find out. Ok.

Instead of constantly asking and complaining about something, be proactive
and do the work, and share it. That way others can enjoy it to. It’s not that hard.

Well you could be nice and it is not hard take a screenshot of both crawls and upload them. To me your just being lazy, that is not hard, just a few clicks and your done, a few more clicks to upload them, it is not a hard thing to do man, so to me that is just lazy

Let me get this straight… We (deathstar1138 & I and a few others) spend 5 years restoring two prints of Star Wars and one of Jedi, frame by frame (that’s over 450,000 frames in all, every one of which we painted out the dirt and scratches by hand), and then we offer them to you, for free, in not just one but multiple formats - MKV, ISO, with and without DNR, HD & UHD; and you’re calling us lazy just because we don’t immediately jump on a request to create a comparison video or upload some screen shots so that you can scratch your head and decide if it’s really worth your time to click a download button again?

Sorry, but we’re a bit freaking busy right now working on other projects - like The Empire Strikes Back. Personally, I have archived all the 4K77 files to LTO Tape to free up the terrabytes of disk space they were using. So it’s not “just a few clicks and you’re done”. I just don’t have the files handy anymore. So it’s a huge “thank you” from me to ChainsawAsh for stepping up and doing that. It actually saves me a lot of time and effort.

To answer everyone’s question though: Is the new version better? Yes, but not dramatically so. Is it worth downloading another 40+ GB just for those 2 minutes of film? Only you can answer that. If it’s worth it to you, then you will. Otherwise, you won’t. It’s not like we get paid either way, so why should we care what you do?

Geez, we appreciate the hard work you all put in, neither of us were asking any of you personally. I’ve already got the MKV, it’s the best version of Star Wars I’ve ever seen. We were just asking for someone who has the new file to provide some screenshots of the new crawl. We were literally asking of you and deathstar nothing, but still got shitty responses. ChainsawAsh has done it, and it’s great. And as you stated, you liked the comparison anyway. I’m really not sure what the issue is. It was a simple request that just got a lot of rude responses. I was just curious what the upgrade was.

Being accused of constantly complaining when all that was said is:

What kind of enhancements and other fixes have been made?

Williarob
Only one: The crawl was replaced, using a new 4K scan of the LPP (cleaned by Skydude).

Handman

Could anyone put together a comparison of the two (if there isn’t one already)?

Is very frustrating.

deathstar1138 said:

Get it for yourself, and then you can compare them.

This is not very helpful. The only reason I’d want to download it would be for the new crawl. Unfortunately I do not have the luxury to download 40GB on just anything. This is a forum that loves comparisons, I’m surprised one hasn’t been made already.

Could anyone put together a comparison of the two (if there isn’t one already)?

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The barge shot of the LPP looks much better than what You_Too posted.

Dreamaster said:

Handman said:

You mention the 16mm has great color. Do you suppose you will utilize one of Dre’s color matching algorithms to match the 35mm print to the 16mm color?

Also, you’ve got a donation from me 😃

That could certainly be done, yes… but do you really prefer the 16mm colors as a reference?

I was under the impression that our 35mm sources were in much worse condition than they are. I really like the 16mm colors, but the 35mm looks good enough. I just grew wistful remembering an instance where color matching tools were used to reobtain original color from high quality black and white footage and a very low quality NTSC videotape.

You mention the 16mm has great color. Do you suppose you will utilize one of Dre’s color matching algorithms to match the 35mm print to the 16mm color?

Also, you’ve got a donation from me 😃

Well, in light of everything, I’m done posting here.

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

Jodie’s doctor reminds me a lot of Sylvester McCoy’s.

That’s an interesting comparison I haven’t really heard before. Would you care to elaborate more on it?

towne32 said:

oojason said:

‘Doctor Who to skip Christmas Day for first time in 13 years’…

The festive edition of Doctor Who will be shown on New Year’s Day on BBC One instead of Christmas Day for the first time since the drama’s return in 2005.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-46210019
 

Not really a fan of this change. From what I’ve read, this is the kind of situation where, once the give up that time slot, they’re possibly never going to be able to get it back. And, when this rumor was going around a few weeks ago,
the reason stated was that Chibnall thought all of the Christmas plot ideas were tapped out. Which is… strange. It doesn’t need to be about Christmas to be broadcast on that day. And several of them have only had a passing reference to the holiday.

This would also explain, perhaps, why Chibnall initially refused to take over for the last Christmas special. Moffat stuck around to produce yet an extra Christmas special, specifically to make sure Doctor Who kept that time slot. Oh well, thanks anyway?

Yeah, the production of this show is a freaking disaster. Twice Upon a Time was written in about two weeks, and it shows.

DuracellEnergizer said:

Handman said:

They could never make Discovery if they were beholden to the aesthetic of the 60s

Why? I love the 60s aesthetic! It’d get me to watch this show, anyway.

I assume the-powers-that-be want the show to appeal to demographics beyond the hardcore Trekkies who like retro kitsch.

Whoever said I liked Star Trek? 😮

They could never make Discovery if they were beholden to the aesthetic of the 60s

Why? I love the 60s aesthetic! It’d get me to watch this show, anyway.

DuracellEnergizer said:

Meh.

Just to show you the range Hartnell had, here’s him playing a sergeant (as he often did) totally unlike the Doctor.

I’ve seen all of what exists, other than The Invasion and The War Games in full (but I have seen clips of the important bits). He’s definitely great in his own right, but he has a different sort of presence to him. I’ve previously stated he’s my favorite of them all, but after revisiting Hartnell’s era recently, I really enjoy his characterization. It’s a shame that whenever they want to try to go back to it, it doesn’t fare so well with viewers (Colin Baker, Peter Capaldi).

Hartnell made his presence known, Troughton disguised his cunning into foolishness. But both are great. Of all the eras, the 60s are what I’d most want to rewatch.

Anyone see the new episode? Another quasi-historical, it seems. I haven’t seen it, but finally watched last week’s episode yesterday… it was better than the spiders, and I actually liked the monster. Still not extraordinary, but it was decent. I still didn’t really feel anything for the characters. Oh, and I still miss Capaldi.

Also been watching the Hartnell era, most of it for the first time, and I just adore it. The Rescue and The Romans were both extraordinarily good, and legitimately funny in the case of The Romans. I’m waiting on receiving more DVDs of his, but I expect even the more maligned stories like The Gunfighters to have something for me to enjoy.

So why do I love Hartnell and don’t particularly care for this new series? It’s all in the writing, the characters, and the tone. There’s a lot more time spent just getting to know the characters, where they just goof off for a good five minutes, and Hartnell has a lot of presence that Jodie just can’t match (and I don’t really think any who have followed him have). The stories are witty, and don’t take themselves too seriously, which is just a joy.

By contrast, Chibnall seems to be taking these generic stories way too seriously, and doesn’t give enough for our characters to really do. Jodie still hasn’t established her Doctor, and I’ve been able to insert other Doctors into her place and the story remains relatively unchanged. It’s just so generic by contrast, which is kind of crazy given how ridiculous the concept of the show is.