Hopefully Kylo Ren wears the Snokeing jacket as he sits on his throne.
The subtitles are in the 720p versions as well!
Nice to see that those French subtitles Mala took it upon himself to produce are being used.
At this point I’m leaning toward virtualizing Snow Leopard to keep old projects on life support and just keep using FCP7 for the foreseeable future. It’s not like I’m a progessional for whom it would be worth it. I will get better at FCPX by playing around first, but I’ll keep FCP7 here for a long time via a VM.
You wouldn’t happen to speak French, would you? MalaStrana created French and English subtitles for them.
Unless you were just asking about English subtitles, in which case, yes! And Episode III contains synced subtitles for the infamous ‘Backstroke of the West’ bootleg translation.
You can find download links on Reddit if you search!
Here’s an incredibly rough proof of concept for the gonk thing. Use your imagination, because I do not yet have the actual audio in front of me I hope to use for the film, and so I just muted it toward the end. The center channel is missing after the first gonk part, and since this is just a quick thing I didn’t bother to re-render.
As I sit and reflect on this project, the more I think I would be doing myself a big favor to NOT do it. At least not in the immediate future. Trying to bring the knife to ROTJ, which I had previously resolved not to do, while learning an aggravating new NLE with a baby on the way in a month… probably wasn’t a great idea. And posting a thread for it right away might have been even worse.
Maybe someday, after ROTJ:R is released, the Despecialized Edition goes as far as it can, and perhaps other things unforeseeable, the time will ripen to attempt something like this.
This project is currently: STALLED. I may revisit this, but then again, I might not. I might just have to wait until TLJ hits home video to learn enough FCPX to be able to work on it. Or I could just find a way to keep using FCP7 in perpetuity. 😕
Are you considering replacing (some of) Artoo’s beeps?
No, they’re just as ingrained in my brain as any other beeps. This’ll just be trimming up a handful of little things while doing a semi-specialized edition.
Got your PM; thanks, snooker!
I’d gotten so proficient with FCP7 and I’m swearing at FCPX as I try to adapt to its very different way of doing things. But we’re getting there, though I’m still just messing around rather than beginning real work on ROTJ.
Anyone have gonk droid sound effects? I only find one or two on Google, so I may have to try recording a few. I’d like to have the torture scene with the gonk droid repeating “gonk” rather than screaming. “Gonk. Gonk. Gonk-Gonk-GONK-GONK!!”
Removing the sounds outright leaves the shot feeling a little too long, and cutting into it early seems off. Since I’m keeping Lapti Nek, I need some sort of sound from the droid to make the transition out of the scene to work.
Anyone got Gonks? Or wants to try voice acting as one?
And if anyone has KK650’s V2.6, please let me know.
I do really like theatrical RotS.
While I don’t, I will say I like an edited ROTS more than the SE of Return of the Jedi
I agree this is odd, but I agree.
There was no year zero AD. December 31, 1 BC would have been followed by January 1, 1 AD. January 1, 2 AD marks the one year point since flipping over to AD. Counting forward from then, 100 years have passed as of January 1, 101 AD.
Thus, it takes until January 1, 2001 for 2000 years to have passed since the first day of AD, January 1, 1 AD.
Do you plan on removing Leia’s “Somehow I’ve always known.”?
Nah, but I suppose it’d fair to try it when I get there and just see what I think.
I can no longer use FCP7 due to Apple and haven’t really done much to date with FCPX. This project will be a learning experience. I expect it to be maddening, but I’ll emerge from it capable of using the tools I will need to keep going with future projects.
I can see how FCPX would be much better for content creators, but it’ll feel counterintuitive until I reckon with it through playing around. We’ll get there; I already know how to do it, just not HOW to do it.
Yeah, the line about Chewie at the beginning will be gone, I just didn’t include it in my changelist but would’ve seen it. 😉
Hadn’t planned to alter the… plan, but I am open to suggestions, provided they are simple and elegant changes.
We were beginning to think you weren’t coming.
Exactly. I’m just aiming to trim the furthest reaching instances of cutsiness. Remove just the extremes.
^ Cartoony sounds listed above will be taken care of if the source audio allows for it. And good tip about the Jabba door. This is the minutia that even someone like me can get lost in. (Not the change itself, but that it was recomposited in 2004 before being replaced in 2011.) 😃
This edit, for me, will try to serve the “custom special edition” function while still fitting in with either versions of ANH and ESB one may have just watched (OOT or a SE). In that spirit, recomposites are okay but obvious CGI is not; Anakin’s eyebrows being removed is okay, but Hayden’s ghost is not.
About Obi-Wan’s ghost, I’ll just use Harmy’s if there’s a problem with the SE.
Kk650’s semi specialized 2.6 series actually has quite good color. It would make for at least a very good starting point. Not yellow as were the previous versions, decently balanced.
However, I don’t think Jedi is available as tehparadox is down and that one has Not hit spleen yet.
Thank you for the tip. I was looking at the most recent version on the spleen, which is V2.15 and did not know there was anything more recent than that. And I thought it did look much too yellow. Sounds good, I will try to find a way to get it.
What are you going to do about the musical number? I personally don’t like any of the versions, but the harmonica player from the Special Edition is not that bad at all.
Lapti Nek all the way.
Do you plan on trimming down some of the “look at how cute this Ewok is” moments?
Most likely, though those things will probably be up in the air until I have everything ready to go in my NLE and I can take a close look. I don’t have specifics in mind, but yes.
Just reiterating what might be buried in the OP: Anyone with counsel about a source for the 2004/2011 version with colors that could be made to roughly match the Despecialized, let me know. Doesn’t have to be 100% perfect, but I need the best possible starting place.
What are you going to do about the musical number? I personally don’t like any of the versions, but the harmonica player from the Special Edition is not that bad at all.
Lapti Nek all the way.
I think it is time to give Return of the Jedi some attention. Up to this point, I had drawn a line around the OT, not wanting to do fan edits of them (excluding hybridizing the OOT and SE versions). However, there are some positive changes to make to ROTJ. I cannot give an ETA for this project’s completion, but it will certainly be!
For this version, my two goals are to hybridize the Despecialized Edition and BluRay versions, and prune the film gently to keep its tone from going off the rails. Anyone is welcome to throw out suggestions, though keep in mind that I don’t want to radically alter the movie. The changelist will likely increase.
Obviously, this edit will benefit from the prior work of others, such as Darthrush, Q2, Spence, and especially Harmy.
As you can see below, I do not have a slam-dunk source identified for the 2004 or 2011 version roughly matching the picture of the Despecialized version. Can anyone recommend a source to use? I am not great with color correction, but if there are overall changes I can make to the BluRay footage to get it in the ballpark, let me know. I am not a stickler with colors, but I want the sources used to come together well. If anyone who knows how wished to run the BluRay (or relevant portions) through a color matcher with the Despecialized Edition, that would be the best option. I’m open to input on this.
Sources:
Despecialized Edition v2.5
[Unidentified source for 2011/2004 version color corrected to roughly match Despecialized]
'97 DTS 5.1 audio (processed by CapableMetal to be appropriate for home video)
(The good thing about using Despecialized is that it is GOUT-synced, and I can merely keep around the other sources used in order to be able to export new versions whenever Harmy puts out major revisions to that project.)
From the Despecialized as a base, Special Edition changes to be included:
Possibly add Oola falling into rancor pit, though retaining no other SE elements of the scene
Recomposited Rancor scene
Bantha herd and fixed sail barge FX
Recomposited Boba Fett flying toward the barge with an out-of-control jetpack
Rope around Han’s ankles as he dangles from the skiff
Recomposited final shot of the sail barge sequence, conversation between Han, Leia, and Luke in space including blue R2 and recomposited ships, also the following recomposited establishing shot of the Death Star
Recomposited ghost of Obi-Wan
Use at least two specific recomposited shots of the space battle
Use SE for shots of the Emperor in his chair to remove slugs
Recomposited shot of Emperor falling down the shaft
Anakin’s unmasking without eyebrows
Possibly show the fleet moving away from the Death Star right before it explodes
NEW CHANGES:
Fan edit title card (followed by OOT 20th Century Fox and Lucasfilm logos)
Trim down Bib Fortuna and 3PO’s conversation
Remove 3PO’s, “Look, Captain Solo! And he’s still frozen in carbonite.”
Less laughter from Salacious Crumb
Remove gonk droid screaming, and if anyone capable volunteers, it’d be wonderful to have the steam and the hot iron actually sync up
Remove subtitle for “I want fifty thousand. No less.” if possible, with differing sources needing to closely match very similar shots
Remove sarlacc burp after eating Boba Fett (an earlier burp by the frog creature outside Jabba’s palace will stay)
Possibly remove either Han and Lando’s conversation before the rebel briefing
Remove Han’s, “Good luck. You’re gonna need it.”
Possibly remove unnecessary scene in which the Emperor essentially tells Vader to go wait in the car
Han doesn’t step on a twig, and the trooper reacts to Chewie’s growl
Remove Han’s, “I hope she’s all right.”
Remove R2 electrocuting an ewok
Cut to next scene partway through 3PO’s narrative to the ewoks, possibly using, “Yes, R2, I was just coming to that” as a transition after moving it to later in his tale
Remove a strong sense of jealousy from Han after Luke and Leia’s conversation
Possibly remove cutting back to Paploo after he speeds off on one of the bikes
Remove Tarzan yell
After the Death Star blows up, remove Han’s jealousy
“I’d rather now do this right now.”
“Yeah, me too.”
Solo will have an original theme by John Williams.
JEDIT: An original theme, as in a particular piece of music, but someone else will do the overall score. Still.
Pretty confident the actual film title will remain the same. I thought the subtitle should be something related to legends. (Though calling it TLJ: Legends would carry a weird connotation now. Eh, I might though.)
Thanks for the feedback, and I join you in marvelling at how far above V1 these fine people have elevated V2. 😃
To my mind, TFA and TLJ are somewhat like oil and water. They don’t mix together but are both needed for a salad. (That’s not true, but go with it.) I identify it as fruitless for me to try to harmonize them meaningfully. Even so, I’d be more inclined to edit TLJ harder.
The good thing is that TFA:R V2(.1) is/soon-will-be a great launching pad for further alterations to make by other editors.
Maybe even you!
With the 2003 Cline Wars, the thing that makes it work for me is that it’s a highly stylized animated set of shorts. The action isn’t supposed to be “realistic.”