Gorram

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Join date: 6-May-2006
Last activity: 3-Jul-2006
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Post: #223979
Topic: .: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/223979/action/topic#223979
Time: 3-Jul-2006 1:13 AM

Originally posted by: boris

Originally posted by: Doctor M
Large plug, heavy mallet. Yikes.
Maybe your computers were hacked?

which ponders the question: WHO DUNN IT???!?

Was it...... MeBeJedi... or was it Zion... or was it that strange Rikter guy who seems to upload everything? Or maybe it was Lasermon... who else is conceivably involved in this project? Who is the "mysterious" 3rd member? Is it a registered user here??

Oh Zion, may I ask - just out of curiosity for the benefit of those who don't subscribe to your news letter - do you, or could you post a link to your newsletters in this thread when they're released? Well back to roaming for me.

I thought this post was just a joke, so ignored it.

As for why other people who are not doing their own project would download it: I downloaded it so I can have a point of reference when I discuss the film here.
Instead of asking "What are you chaps going to do about the scene where Leia shoots and there is a blob on the frame" I can say "What are you going to do about the frame at timecode 1:12:15:10 where there is a blobbie in the corner"
As for lining up your own code with the X0 code, it just means you insert the right amount of frames at the start of your own project doesn't it?

Whatever, I'm glad to have it however it got out. At least now when I post a question or a suggestion everyone will know which bit of the film I'm raving on about.

Is there a TC version of the other two films?

Post: #216275
Topic: .: Citizen's NTSC DVD / PAL DVD / XviD project :. (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/216275/action/topic#216275
Time: 5-Jun-2006 6:56 AM

Anyway, we should take this over to the tech forum and out of Citizen's thread - sorry Citizen!

Post: #216274
Topic: .: Citizen's NTSC DVD / PAL DVD / XviD project :. (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/216274/action/topic#216274
Time: 5-Jun-2006 6:55 AM

I have a DVHS player, but the sound on HD-DVD eats it for breakfast.
The reason I am excited about HD-DVD is it looks really pretty much as good at 1080 lines are going to look, even these "first generation" releases do in the most part look pretyy artifact free, bluray certainly isn't going to look any better.

DVHS died because of lack of content, so I am excited because I can buy HD quality titles again (on HD-DVD) as the studios are at least releasing product on HD-DVD and I can buy it today.

As I said it takes more than a great format to win a war, and if HD-dvd AND Bluray both fail, I can't see HVD picking up the pieces, I think it would sour the studios for another 5 years at least, and then who knows what format would be available at that point in time. The delivery of uncompressed 1080P is just beyond consumer electronics for the forseeable future, there just isn't an even vaguely affordable bandwidth solution even if the HVD discs were easy and cheap to manufacture, you still have to build a pipeline that can deliver over 140 MEGABYTES A SECOND! (That is over 8 Gigabytes for every minute!)

So there is a lot more engineering than just making a disk that holds a heap o data, you have to get the movie studios to agree, you have to develop fabrication equipment to be able to make the discs for sale, you have to have studios have the equipment to create the videos in that format to make the masters etc. etc. etc.
Everyone has just invested right across the food chain from telecine to edit to mastering to fabrication to copy protection to navigation to delivery in HD using existing codecs and bitrates, it aint gonna change anytime soon no matter what happens in the format war.

Post: #216273
Topic: Have you sent your letter to Lucasfilm yet?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/216273/action/topic#216273
Time: 5-Jun-2006 6:43 AM

Yeah I agree, that is why I thought I would show 'em that we are people of action, not just whiners.

Post a letter and add your name here and show those naysayers!

Post: #216214
Topic: Have you sent your letter to Lucasfilm yet?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/216214/action/topic#216214
Time: 5-Jun-2006 1:27 AM

Perhaps, but I thought the hardcore preservationists prolly hang out here.

I got told off on another forum and was told that OT fans would rather whinge and whine than actually make an effort and take some action, and I thought that was BS, so hence the post.

Post: #216041
Topic: .: Citizen's NTSC DVD / PAL DVD / XviD project :. (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/216041/action/topic#216041
Time: 4-Jun-2006 8:12 AM

Well, the HD-DVD titles I have look a *lot* better than DVD, massively better in fact, (except one title which isn't great) the sound however is a massive improvement over DVD, it really is mindblowing.

30GB allows for an extremely high quality 1080 picture.

If it doesn't look much better than DVD, perhaps you need to recalibrate your display device, or perhaps you have something that isn't capable of displaying HD-DVD the way it should look.

Sure 1TB+ discs would be better, but support circuitry to be able to handle the data rates required for uncompressed video is a big unknown, especially at consumer level pricing. Getting all the studios onside, getting a working product out for the right money, all the DVD fabs having to totally retool etc.
Having a big disc is the easy bit, getting all the other stuff is a lot more work to get a product to market.

Post: #216040
Topic: Have you sent your letter to Lucasfilm yet?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/216040/action/topic#216040
Time: 4-Jun-2006 8:05 AM

I have written and mailed my real paper letter, one to Lucasfilm publicity, one to Lucas and one to Fox, have you posted yours yet?

Drop your name here when you have.

Post him some mail people, its our only hope.

Post: #214114
Topic: ORIGINAL STAR WARS TRILOGY OUT 09/2006 BY LUCASFILM
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/214114/action/topic#214114
Time: 27-May-2006 6:28 AM

e-mail all you want, but take the time and the 50c to POST A REAL LETTER!
It gets a way bigger response if piles of physical stuff pour through the doorway that has to be handles by multiple people internally, vs an e-mail address that can just be handled by a bot or some webguy who may or may not be anywhere near the company.

Send the same letter to 20th Century Fox as well. I sent mine to both yesterday, trust me, real paper letters will have a MUCH bigger impact. C'mon there are like 60,000 people on the petition here, if LFilm and Fox got even 5000 paper letters each it would get noticed by a lot of people, and could even become a news story. Put what you like in the letter, but mention the magic word ANAMORPHIC in the first paragraph.

Fire up your printer people, don't be lazy, this might be our last chance to at least get an anamorphic version.

Post: #212920
Topic: ORIGINAL STAR WARS TRILOGY OUT 09/2006 BY LUCASFILM
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/212920/action/topic#212920
Time: 24-May-2006 6:33 AM

Maybe we could get Jay to change the front page or something if we get enough agreement?

It could be something as simple as "We all might disagree on the details, but there is one thing we all want, an anamorphic transfer from film, not from a 1993 video master (with detail sapping digital video noise reduction like on the THX laserdsics)"

Maybe if we can get a single coherent message through it might have a chance, if anyone read all the various forums and focussed on the different things everyone wants (rather than on what they have in common) then they would throw their hands up and cry that "we can never satisfy these people at all, so why try too hard, they will all hate it whatever we do"

This way, maybe at least if they got the core right, we could do the rest ourselves, if they get the core wrong, we are no better off than we are now.

Post: #212864
Topic: ORIGINAL STAR WARS TRILOGY OUT 09/2006 BY LUCASFILM
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/212864/action/topic#212864
Time: 24-May-2006 12:47 AM

Ahhh, now this is the problem, some people want fixes (sbres matte lines etc.) other people consider those types of fixes unacceptable and leading down the path to the SEs anyway.

If we could just convince ILM to give us a straight ananmorphic film transfer, then there are plenty of people who could put the fixes in later.

If they don't do a straight film transfer, people can't take the fixes back out again.

There is no way Lucasfilm would go to the big trouble to meet that list (although I'd love it if they did) it would be far too much time and money, but a straight transfer would be relatively cheap and quick to do - it would keep the hardcore fan base happy (that want it with NO changes of any description) and give the rest of us the raw material to just do the fixes that suit each of us (which will probably be different for each person), it would be nice if the different audio mixes were available too, but we already have an excellent PCM track on the laserdiscs and I'd prefer to see a maximum video quality on these releases.

Post: #212770
Topic: ORIGINAL STAR WARS TRILOGY OUT 09/2006 BY LUCASFILM
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/212770/action/topic#212770
Time: 23-May-2006 9:35 PM

The problem is they are going to be bombarded by fans all wanting different things done, my hope is that all the sites could get together and agree on at least a minimum they would all like to see, then send that message to Lucasfilm.

Personally I don't care if they are 'cleaned up' there are people like the X0 guys that would do that later anyway.

What I would like to see would be.

1) A transfer from a print, not the THX D2 videotape master that the 93 laserdiscs used, as the cleanup algorithm for that caused all the ghosting and loss of detail.

2) No digital 'additions'

3) A good colour transfer.

That is about it, matte removal, dirt and dust removal, PCM audio, sabre fixes, colour correction et. can all be done by the groups on here.
All we really need is a detailed untouched telecine ANAMORPHIC transfer from a print in reasonable condition.

IF we could all agree on that or something similar as being the minimum requirement, then perhaps we could send a unified request to Lucas.

What we really need is the one thing we don't have, a good quality anamorphic detailed version of the trilogy. (we have all the other stuff, the various soundtracks etc.)

We could always tack various wishlists on the end (different audio, missing footage whatever) but at least if we had one request going forwards from all the various sites perhaps we could get at least the base for what we want, and turn it into our own individual projects to make it into the hundreds of different versions that would suit each individuals tastes.

Post: #212289
Topic: New DVDs NOT 16x9
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/212289/action/topic#212289
Time: 22-May-2006 9:03 AM

The only way this is going to change is if people write a real letter on real paper and actually post it. Real letters often get action, internet petitions and the like hold little water. I saw a company guy on TV one time and he said one hard letter of complaint held more sway than 1000 e-mails or 100 phone calls.
If you are serious about this, write your letter now and mail it. I just finished mine, I kept it sensible and just said I have been waiting for this since I bought a DVD player in 1996, but I won't be buying a non-anamorphic version. I already have the laserdisc, and the VHS copy. Release it anamorphic from a film print and I'll preorder it today.

Get off your PCs and get down to your post office, a flood of real mail may change things. Endless discussion here or e-mails etc won't.

Post: #210811
Topic: .: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/210811/action/topic#210811
Time: 18-May-2006 12:21 AM

Well hopefully it is still coming off film, which should still give much more detail than the composite video encoded into the LDs.
But with it not being anamorphic then we are only getting 270 or so lines of resolution in letterbox. Whoopeeeeee.

Post: #210786
Topic: Any solid info on the unaltered trilogy yet?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/210786/action/topic#210786
Time: 17-May-2006 11:24 PM

Found this at digitalbits:

We've confirmed something today (directly with both Fox and Lucasfilm) that we'd begun to suspect... and it's probably going to disappoint a lot of you. It certainly disappoints us here at The Bits. Those new DVD editions of the Star Wars films? The original theatrical versions of the films are going to be non-anamorphic (our original post on this indicated otherwise, but we have confirmed that the widescreen versions will be letterboxed only). What this likely means is that Lucasfilm has simply re-purposed the non-anamorphic transfers that were done for previous laserdisc and VHS releases of the "original" versions of the films. And with that, our enthusiasm for this DVD release has just dropped through the floor. Anamorphic-enhanced versions of the theatrical editions, we'd buy in a heartbeat. But what we're going to get instead is little better than a ported-over laserdisc. In this day and age, releasing a widescreen film without anamorphic enhancement on DVD is just unacceptable. Does Lucasfilm really think fans want those versions of the films on DVD so badly that people just won't care? Yes Virginia, they do. How many versions of these films do you suppose Lucasfilm will try to get fans to buy in high-def over the coming years? And think about it... you just know the studio has to be prepping yet another standard DVD release for next year's 30th Anniversary of the original Star Wars. Do you suppose this means that the theatrical editions won't be included in the super-über box set of all six films? Probably. Ugh.

Line up like Jersey cows and grease up yer teats, Force fans. Or better yet... run for the south forty as fast as your hooves'll carry you. Stampede!

but I wish I didn't.

Post: #210785
Topic: .: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/210785/action/topic#210785
Time: 17-May-2006 11:22 PM

I take it back!

(Digital bits)

Aww crap

Post: #210781
Topic: .: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/210781/action/topic#210781
Time: 17-May-2006 11:16 PM

Ahhh look, it will be interesting to compare, and people may prefer one over the other but really even the X0 guys have said the Lucas release should be a much better master than the laserdiscs.

What is interesting is how much they are cleaned up or not from Lucas. I expect more detal on the Lucas release, but perhaps a better look and feel on the X0 stuff, but who knows.

Post: #210771
Topic: Any solid info on the unaltered trilogy yet?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/210771/action/topic#210771
Time: 17-May-2006 11:05 PM

Is there any real info out there re the OUT?

Anamorphic Y/N?
Negatives or Print?
Scan and Cleanup or straight telecine?
Sound?

Lots of rumours floating around,, but I can't find much in the way of solid info. Anyone know where I can find it?

Post: #207733
Topic: ORIGINAL STAR WARS TRILOGY OUT 09/2006 BY LUCASFILM
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/207733/action/topic#207733
Time: 8-May-2006 10:50 PM

Yeah my guess is ET style, there is no way it won't be of a reasonable quality.
Will it be what everyone wants exactly, no coz we all want different things, but as long as it is good quality and no additions then the scene can always make it their own later, even if it has to move completely underground.

I'm so looking forward to it, I'll be able to have my Laserdiscs which I love just coz they are so big and old-school funky, hopefully an X0 LD transfer so I can see what my LDs would look like if I could cough up for an X0 player (and not having to change discs would be nice) and then the official DVD untouched release as well.
A set to suit every mood and chronical the various state of the art releases over the history of the film.

Post: #207580
Topic: Info: The LID Project: Laserdisc is dead.
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/207580/action/topic#207580
Time: 8-May-2006 2:01 PM

I hope he is big enough to come back and get back into the forums again and I am glad to see the forums return to some normality.

It can get crazy on forums sometimes, and it is easy for anyone to get overly hot under the collar or think people are out to get them as it is so easy to read things into the written word.

If all the players were down at the pub together discussing this, it would never get that far, you could see the cheeky grin, or body language or whatever and it wouldn't escalate. With the written word it tends to escalate quickly and get nasty as the nuance is always lost, and the reader tends to project their own feelings into the other persons posts.

It is an interesting point about the board though, I guess once a release is reality, then the board will have to change radically.

One thing seems to be confused though, I don't think a single person has categorically stated that they are unhappy that Lucas is releasing the unaltered trilogy.

There is some concern that it may have been a low quality release, but that it about it. Even the X0 site has a big celebratory statement on their front page.
People may be a little cynical or suspicious, but I think every single person here is happy that the official release is going to happen.

Post: #207576
Topic: Help: Ideas Wanted for... "Episode 3" or "What Convinced Me To Try a Re-edit"
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/207576/action/topic#207576
Time: 8-May-2006 1:49 PM

Yeah, like your children aren't reason enough to live - selfish bi-otch!

Does she need to be killed off at all, could she have given up the kids for their own safety even though it pained her to do so like sending your kids away from the blitz?

Post: #207572
Topic: ORIGINAL STAR WARS TRILOGY OUT 09/2006 BY LUCASFILM
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/207572/action/topic#207572
Time: 8-May-2006 1:43 PM

The press release says International release will be within a few days of the US release.

Post: #207234
Topic: Info: The LID Project: Laserdisc is dead.
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/207234/action/topic#207234
Time: 7-May-2006 10:05 AM

Originally posted by: ocpmovie
Jesus. Does the asylum know you've escaped?

Talking to yourself again?

Seriously though, it seems you went off the deep end, why didn't you just start a thread called, "Use the new OT DVD as a base for future projects" or something instead of spitting bile and driving everyone elses threads off topic?

No one is debating your point that if the new DVDs are done well then they would be the obvious starting point for any new projects, but what purpose is there in belittling the work of others out there? Specially when your work is hardly perfect.

I think any moderator on most boards would have pulled your plug by now. What you are doing is just filling everyones threads with your own crud when you could have made your point and had your say in your own thread or a new thread of a combination of the two. No one is trying to stifle discussion, but what you are doing is just ruining the forum.

All of the bootlegs have their problems, yours included, so why go pissing on everyone? This forum is usually about discussion, support, ideas and useful criticism, you have turned it into an off topic rant fest across multiple threads with everyone going nuts.

Well done.

Post: #207024
Topic: .: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/207024/action/topic#207024
Time: 6-May-2006 12:03 PM

That STFU poster is hilarious - where did you find it?

Post: #207020
Topic: This is funny - Audience reaction to first SW trailers
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/207020/action/topic#207020
Time: 6-May-2006 11:44 AM

http://www.dvdverdict.com/reviews/starwarstrilogy.php

I think that is hilarious what the 2001 hippies thought of the Star Wars trailer...

Post: #207011
Topic: ORIGINAL STAR WARS TRILOGY OUT 09/2006 BY LUCASFILM
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/207011/action/topic#207011
Time: 6-May-2006 11:12 AM

Oh shit, state of the art for 1993? That is when the definitive edition laserdisc was released.
If they are just going to take the master composite videotapes and convert them to non anamorphic DVD, then they won't be much better than the existing laserdiscs on a really good player.
Surely they wouldn't do that? The backlash would be enourmous wouldn't it?