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#244696
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First Impressions of the OOT ...
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On the official site, a fan was asking about a burn mark on the exhaust port of the first Death Star.

He's suggesting that they added the burn mark from red leader's missed shot to the side of the port when they show Luke's hitting the mark in either the 97 or 2004 SE.

And he says that the burn mark is there on this latest release of the O-OT.

Can anyone here confirm wether or not that burn mark was there originally, or when it was introduced if it wasn't?
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#244650
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Try to take it easy with the Lucas bashing.
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/244650/action/topic#244650
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That's just it, they aren't misleading, milking or bilking people.

I understand the cause and effect of Lucas burying the originals and all of us (including me I might add) criticising him for that.

But here we are with a freshly unburied DVD of the O-OT. Sure it's not anamorphic, but couldn't we give him a modicum of credit?

I'm not saying you guys don't have a right to feel the way you do about it. I'm just saying Lucas didn't have to release the O-OT at all, and yet he did.

Just for you guys.

And still most of you guys curse his name on a daily basis.

My point is why should he give any more of a crap than he already has at this point?
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#244643
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Stormtrooper with 4 eyes ::( or Stormtrooper showing terrible IVTC/telecine artefacts
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/244643/action/topic#244643
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Oh I see what you mean, he could have put out the 97 SE instead of waiting.

I think he was trying to stick to one release, as opposed to having several because he didn't want more accusations of milking the fans.

He could have made even more money had he put out the 97 SE then the 2004 SE, then the 2007 box set, but I just don't think he's that money grubbing is all.

It was only after many of us flat out asked to be double dipped that he released the 2004 SE. I remember whole threads of people on Star Wars forums saying: "We will gladly take what you have now and also buy the super duper set later".
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#244638
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Try to take it easy with the Lucas bashing.
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/244638/action/topic#244638
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I personally think you guys are stabbing yourselves in the back with all this wonton negativity towards Lucas.

You guys are operating under the incorrect assumption that Lucas is going to quake in his boots and worry about what his investors will think if he isn't pleasing the "fans".

The simple truth is that there are a lot of people who -like- the SE's and Prequels. They aren't mindless sheep, they just aren't as sentimentally attatched to the original versions as many here are. They legitimately think the 2004 SE looks and sounds better than these films have ever looked and sounded before. Lucas doesn't -have- to worry about a bunch of disgruntled 30 somethings who can't accept change in their favorite movie.

Personally I think it's pretty big of Lucas to cave in on this and finally release the O-OT on DVD at all. I think he did it just for you guys, and what thanks does he get?

You guys call him a liar, you guys say he's milking the fanbase, you guys set out to bootleg these DVD's (some of you) for the sole purpose of not giving Lucas any more money.

I remember a time when fans of Star Wars actually gave Lucas credit for making these films in the first place. Now a lot of you guys act like Star Wars was great despite Lucas, and everything good was the result of Lucas not getting to do what he wants, while everything bad was the result of Lucas having his own way.

How many times do you think Lucas will listen to you guys insulting him before he just says: "Go screw yourselves, I don't need your money that badly?"
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#244636
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Stormtrooper with 4 eyes ::( or Stormtrooper showing terrible IVTC/telecine artefacts
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/244636/action/topic#244636
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Originally, Lucas was going to wait until he was finished with the saga to release -any- Star Wars DVDs.

Guess what happened? DVD sites and fans kept asking him every day since DVD was invented:

Please release Star Wars on DVD.

But he said no, he wasn't done with them yet.

Then Phantom Menace came out, and by the end of that year we again were asking him: Please release Star Wars on DVD. Other movies get DVD's in the same year they are released.

But Lucas said: I'm not ready yet.

Finally he changed his mind and released TPM and told us AOTC and ROTS would follow a normal release strategy (which they did).

People were happier, but still we were missing the classic trilogy.

Finally when he did release the classic trilogy in 2004, he said the reason he changed his mind was because his advisers were telling him that due to rampant DVD piracy and newer formats on the horizon, there might not even be a DVD market by the time he's ready.

So he released the films as they were at the time while work continued on them for the upcoming rumored 2007 set.

Sure they aren't finished, but then neither were the original versions.

Most film makers just leave their films at "well that's how it turned out".

Lucas is one of the very few who put a ton of money into making these movies the best he could make them (in his opinion of course).
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#244631
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SW.com: "First and ONLY TIme"
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/244631/action/topic#244631
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They always say movies are "only in theaters" before they are released on home video, because up until they are released on home video, they are "only in theaters".

The "last time" to own the O-OT wasn't BS. He changed his mind after sites like these made it clear that we weren't going to take no for an answer.

To me this release reeks of "What do you mean you didn't believe me before? I wrote it right on the box! It was in all the ad campaigns! Fine here it is again, but seriously that is it! These older versions of the films mean nothing to me and I would rather just put them behind me."
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#244495
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Try to take it easy with the Lucas bashing.
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/244495/action/topic#244495
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You have to keep in mind the "Is the Classic Trilogy Dragging Down the Overall Quality of the Saga" thread is meant as a parody of the complaints leveled at the prequels.

I admitted as much on the bottom of the first page, but some people got really upset so they locked it.

I still say that thread was ahead of it's time.

I still don't see what's so unacceptable about me preffering the SE versions, or still thinking that George Lucas is a genius.
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#244482
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Try to take it easy with the Lucas bashing.
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/244482/action/topic#244482
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Originally posted by: WaragainsttheCouncil
MeBeJedi, realize Gome's impossible to reason with. I don't think he's gay - whatever's clever anyway. I just think he works for Lucas or Lucasfilm, and if he doesn't physically, he does metaphorically. So his spin doctor has come here - to a site he once ridiculed - I'm impossible to reason with? Sounds reasonable to me. I don't remember ridiculing this site, can you refresh my memory?
Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
" I have yet to see you make a single post today that wasn't centered in on flaming another user in this forum."

That's because you've hardly been here, which is because you don't normally come here, which is because you don't like what these boards are about, which is why I know you are here to troll. So because I've hardly been here before, that changes the fact that you have done nothing but flame other users all day here today? I don't mind what these boards and this site is about, as I explained elsewhere, I was one of the first people to sign the Original Trilogy Pettition when it first came about.
Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
And the users I am flaming are you and JediRandy - two well-known gushers who have no respect for what these boards were created for. I don't think you should be flaming anyone. How can you expect others to respect you if you don't show any respect for others yourself?
Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
Sorry that TF.n doesn't want you, but neither do we. These are not the boards you are looking for. I can't say I particulalry want you either, but I am not the kind of dude to exclude people just because they don't agree with me.
Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
"What makes you any better?"

The fact that I come to these boards to contribute to them, not to laugh at the people on these boards behind their backs and spam the boards with bullshit posts.
So your idea of "contributing" here is to do nothing but flame people you suspect are trolls? Is't that a bit trollish in the first place?Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
The only reason you are here is because you're pissed at TF.n, and can't do anything about it, and need a soapbox to point out to everyone how much you love Lucas and his current incarnation of the films.
I'm not pissed at TFN, it's not like I'm the only one who ever gets banned over there. It's quite a common occurance really.Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
Your presence here is self-serving and pathetic.
Well of course Im here to serve my own interests. Are you telling me you have no personal interest in coming here?Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
"Why all the sudden we have all the flame wars going on?"

Gomer is here solely to advance his agenda, which goes completely against the spirit in which these boards were created. He's just trying to weasel his way into the "discussions" here, because nothing gets him off faster than making facetious posts about people whom he feels unfairly put down Lucas or any SW films beyond the OOT. It's his lot in life.
I'm here to advance my personal point of view. These boards are about getting the O-OT on DVD, and I have been and always will be for that. I do also happen to be a huge Lucas supporter, I happen to have closely followed his interviews and think he gets a pretty undeserved rap a lot of the times, so yeah I will stick up for the guy who made all this possible in the first place.Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
" MeBeJedi, realize Gome's impossible to reason with."

Believe me - I've dealt with him for years on F.n. I know his fame. Unfortunately, not many other people here do. I'm not going to let him sucker them in.
Look out! I'm going to trick you into enjoying the SE's and Prequels!
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#244477
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First Impressions of the OOT ...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/244477/action/topic#244477
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The garbage mattes were there in the theater, but you would have been hard pressed to notice them. On home video they artificially brightened things up a bit, which made those mattes plain as day. Even with the previous to DVD home video releases you could get rid of the garbage mattesd with the right contrast/brightness setting. Most of them are still there on the 2004 SE, but they are just not artificially brightened so they don't show up quite as easily as they did on previous home video releases.

I think these look pretty good for what they are. I really like the film grain. I don't think it looked this grainy on the laserdisc, which just goes to show that it's at least a cut above the original lasediscs, which back in the day were amazing. I like the dirt, scratches and image instability, because it really makes me feel like I'm back in '77 watching this in a theater.
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#244412
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Try to take it easy with the Lucas bashing.
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/244412/action/topic#244412
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It's really the people who wish death on Lucas I'm talking about.

Personally I don't think he stacked the deck against the O-OT, he merey made the 2004 SE better. Even if there had been an anamorphic release of the O-OT on DVD, it would still have all the film grain, the thick matte lines, the obvious matte paintings, and so on.

Still I'd love to see it, because that's what I grew up with. Back in the day, that was certainly good enough, and it's still good enough now.

I have to say I was pleasantly suprised to see that not everyone here hates Lucas, and even some of the people who run the site seem to be against such unconstructive hate.
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#244389
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Try to take it easy with the Lucas bashing.
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/244389/action/topic#244389
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Originally posted by: WaragainsttheCouncil
The success of the SEs in theatres and at home is only a small fraction of the revenues generated by the Original Trilogy and the original films. The SE's success is entirely dependent upon and leveraged the love for the Original films. Without it, all your beloved post-97 works would not exist. I am certainly not suggesting otherwise. I love the original OT quite a bit myself you know.
Originally posted by: WaragainsttheCouncil
Despite your views, this is not a case of the Chicken and the Egg. The original 1977 Star Wars did COME FIRST. This is fact. It's success and overwhelming acceptance in all avenues of public culture (not just movie fans, not just sci fi fans, not just geeks, not just kids) is the SOLE REASON for any sequels. That is fact. It is the sole premise on which the SE's were both restored and marketed. That is fact. It is the ONLY VERSION recognized by the Library of Congress and its restoration efforts. That is fact. That's okay, I don't really recognize the library of congress either. Originally posted by: WaragainsttheCouncil
Frankly Gomer, I don't even know what you are doing here. You represent everything and every problem that this site is against. You have slammed it and ridiculed this site on more than one occassion.
Oh no, did I? When this site was first put together, I was one of the first here to sign the pettitions. I didn't post here, but I supported the idea that Lucas should release the O-OT on DVD, not so much for my benefit (although I did want and am happy to finally be getting the O-OT on DVD myself), but I thought that would curb the Lucas hate. I figure most people would be happy with Lucas doing what he wants with the originals as long as the original versions were available. Of course at the time I didn't realize so many would be so upset by the lack of anamorphic.Originally posted by: WaragainsttheCouncil
It's blathering LFL buffoons like yourself trying to spin their corporate milking of this once great film that is killing any efforts for preservation and release of the OT in any kind of quality format. If fans like yourself had a shred of decency, compassion or balls; you would join us in vocalizing this problem to LFL and perhaps we would see real positive change and healing. Instead, you continue to exist to drive a wedge into fandom and destroy the original beauty and magic which captured an entire nation by force.
Actually, I did sign the pettition, and I have always maintained that I always disagreed with Lucas when it came to his decision to not release the O-OT on DVD.

I think it's funny you feel I'm personally responsible for destroying "the original beauty and magic which captured and entire nation by force."