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#315312
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Further proof GL has lost his mind... Clone Wars
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-Anakin's a Jedi Knight by this point in the story. You can have an apprentice as soon as you're a Knight.

-That particular screenshot I always thought was a lens flare, not another sun. However, in the newer trailer there are some shots of Anakin and Ahsoka walking around on a planet that definitely resembles and probably is Tatooine.

-Funny, I never noticed the significance of the armor until you pointed it out, SilverWook. Guess we now know what happened to the plot point of Anakin gradually collecting the various pieces making up the Vader armor, which was rumored back before Episode III was released:

GL: "nah, save it for some future spin off."
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#315279
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Further proof GL has lost his mind... Clone Wars
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/315279/action/topic#315279
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canofhumdingers said:

i always thought it would be neat to have Z-95 Headhunters (the precursor to the x-wing in "in-universe" history) in Revenge of the sith.


They're brought up in a conversation Anakin and his friend have with some pilot in Mos Espa in the opening chapters of The Phantom Menace novelization. I still remember reading that a week or so before the movie opened, and by that point I'd pretty much figured out that these chapters wouldn't be in the actual movie so I thought "hmm, well that's a nice nod to the EU."

SilverWook said:

I don't know if it's canon or not, but I recall reading somewhere the Rebels stripped down the Y-wings to make them easier to maintain and so forth.

There should have been "new" versions of many future Rebel workhorses in the prequels. *sigh*


Well, yea, but you're preaching to the choir here. There are plenty of things that are showing up in these various prequel spinoffs that should've been in the movies themselves, simply because the cashcow is still there.
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#315212
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Further proof GL has lost his mind... Clone Wars
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/315212/action/topic#315212
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Please someone take Star Wars away from this man!!!!!

Too bad it's already made billions of dollars, with several billion more probably left to make.

It's something I said a couple months back, but the simple reality is that GL will continue to crank this stuff out so long as there are people willing to buy it. Meanwhile, the simplification of Star Wars into the SE will remain as the only way you can watch it unless you're willing to settle for a 1993 laserdisc.

I'm pretty sure I'm not wasting my money on going to see this in theaters, especially when it'll be on tv fo free (oh wait, I forgot, that'll be sans two seconds of footage that I'll only see in that 90 minute edit, gasp!!!). Also, I'd kinda like to keep that final time I saw ROTS in theaters (which was at the Uptown in DC) as my last theatrical Star Wars experience ever. It's not like we're getting the OOT in theaters, well, ever. I'll continue to wait for the Definitive Collection Laser - er, I mean Blu-ray disc.
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#314908
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JEDI CON 2008-BEHIND THE SCENES CAST AND CREW INFO ON STAR WARS FILMING, DVDS AND OTHER BITS...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/314908/action/topic#314908
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lordjedi said:

I'm not giving them another cent until they release the movies individually and in a boxed set.


The funny thing is that this is exactly what I've been theorizing they're up to. Well, I guess it's more that I'm hoping it's what they're up to, especially if we're ever going to see the OT get the Blade Runner treatment.

I would also hope that George realizes there are those of us who saw the prequels on the big screen and would like the '99 cut of TPM. I'm willing to give the omission of the 35mm version of AOTC a pass, even though I never got around to seeing the DLP projection. I lived just barely within walking distance of the only theater in the Commonwealth of Virginia that was showing AOTC in DLP, but I saw AOTC on 35mm at Union Station in DC on May 16th and it was more than a month before I thought "hmmm, maybe I should see it in DLP." But by that point they'd already switched it out for the DLP of Scooby-Doo.
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#314871
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Will your interest in the Star Wars universe be affected...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/314871/action/topic#314871
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At the end of the day, no, I guess it won't really. My cowclops v.2 transfers still serve me pretty well. Star Wars hasn't gotten a blu-ray release yet, but then again neither have 99.9 percent of the other movies out there. An actual new telecine from the old IP's would mean the possibility of watching an anamorphic dvd in A-grade quality instead of a 16:9-ized fan-made laserdisc-to-dvd transfer in C/B-grade quality. Lucas almost had me ready to give him some money back on May 3rd of '06.

I think an irony of Star Wars is that if it didn't have such a huge and active fandom, all of us here would probably have our coveted anamorphic transfers by now. Hell, we would've gotten them long ago. What has me worried in regards to this whole OOT on blu-ray matter is that I could easily see Lucas opting to only include the SE simply to keep everything "nice and neat." On the other hand, if he was that hardcore about keeping to his "vision," we wouldn't have gotten so much as a laserdisc transfer. I would hope that the money made off of that release has spoken adequately to LFL of the desire fans have for the original versions. I also hope that we would've gotten that "market saturation" comment either way, and that it doesn't have anything to do with how LFL is looking at the sales numbers. If they honestly expected it to do better than it did, their egos are even bigger than I imagined.

One thing is for sure, though. It isn't likely that we'll see these movies regarded just as movies and not the "little engine that could" story that we got on the Empire of Dreams doc. Don't get me wrong, I like watching that documentary, but that's still what it is. Anything is possible, though. That comment from McCallum about a hundred hours of documentaries has me fascinated, but even then he would still need to finally cave and give us what we all want in the form of a remastered OOT in order for it to sell a lot of copies (or am I just being naive?).
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#313872
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So... your opinion of how much Lucas really had planned out?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/313872/action/topic#313872
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Mielr said:

As far as hating Lucas for what he's done to the series, I don't "hate" him, but I am royally pissed at him. The Prequels sort of sully the whole franchise- to the extent that they are able to. They're not taken as seriously and they're not as loved as the OT, so I guess they can only damage the legacy of the OT so much.

I'm far more upset about the Special Edition vs OOT situation, because I can
ignore the prequels, but it's hard to ignore the SEs since the OOT hasn't been
given a proper release.


and that's the funny part, I didn't have all that much of a problem with Star Wars in general until May of '06.

Seriously, even back in summer of '05 when my friend and I showed the OT to a friend of ours who'd never seen it before. I brought my silver box over to his place, we watched and it was awesome. awesome.

This is where I point to as evidence that Lucas has not 'ruined' the OT. It would take a whole lot more than that to ruin it.

Zombie, it sucks to read that and think of what might have been. On the other hand, it's interesting as hell to see how things worked and played themselves out. Seeing as how Lucas did end up coming back and doing the prequels, I certainly wouldn't mind seeing another Star Wars trilogy every couple of decades. I can't see Lucas being against this (at least in principle) and unless he writes it into his will there won't be anything he'll be able to do about it anyway. Heck, maybe he could even pitch a story for it and let other people write the screenplay. He has had some sort of involvement with the course of the EU. Maybe he would only end up insisting that Episodes VII and onward couldn't be made because of how he's re-worked them into the post-Jedi EU, but even then it would be cool for him to come up with a story within the midst of that (maybe that huge 100 year gap in the legacy era?) for 7, 8 and 9. After all, Lucas has always been working in the cinematic medium first and foremost.
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#313803
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So... your opinion of how much Lucas really had planned out?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/313803/action/topic#313803
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While we're on the subject of the number of episodes, there's something I'd like to say.

The prequels are still just prequels at the end of the day. Even in '04 they still referred to the OT as "the trilogy," and something tells me they're going to release them all individually next time around with the option of getting it all in one big expensive set (ala Alien and Superman).

They're are some curiosities:

If he split one long story into three movies, why did he decide (early as May, 1980) that the prequels also warranted as many?

If he was in fact going to do 7 8 and 9, why was he starting in the middle?

Then there's Lucas' throw away line at the very beginning of the audio commentary for Revenge of the Sith about how everything in Star Wars is done in the style of a Saturday matinee serial which was told in 12 parts. Does the "12" have any special significance? In other words, does that mean we'll see episodes VII-XV someday? Or is he just saying that so we'll know how the old serials were usually in 12 parts sort of like how there are multiple Star Wars movies and each movie itself is serialized through the wipes? It's funny, I remember considering counting the number of wipes in that movie to see if it added up to 12, but then I got lazy / started skipping around and fast forwarding.

Here's the thing: I'm theoretically fine with Lucas' insistence of ROTJ being the end of the story, but only so long as the prequels are still just prequels. When Lucas said on the featurette that "when you watch IV, V and VI, he's still the chosen one" and they showed all that OT footage of Vader, I dunno, it all just seemed so out of place. Recently I saw an add for the movies showing on spiketv and they had I-II-III-IV-V-VI just like cinemax did. Again, out of place. Also, it makes me nostalgic as hell for when they would show the O-OT on USA back in the day.

Getting back to the question at hand, it does seem like Lucas used the prequels as on opportunity to do things he didn't in the OT. Episode III is full of that: battle over Coruscant, Wookiees, etc.

Ugh, I've gotta write my thoughts down as bullet points before I go on and type all this stuff. Now I'm forgetting whatever else it was that I was going to say.

I'll end with this:

I think it would be cool to one day see further episodes made, just as long as they aren't directed by Lucas (which they wouldn't be anyway, he's already said he's done with it). I'm intrigued by what could or could not be done regarding further episodes. I'm also intrigued as to the various reports over the years of how many more movies there could've been (five whole trilogies if you look at A New Hope as chapter 1 of a 12 part saga) and what they would've dealt with (stuff that got condensed into ROTJ).
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#312488
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Anyone else here have a love/hate relation with Revenge of the sith ?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/312488/action/topic#312488
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Originally posted by: Baronlando
But back to Revenge of the Sith, it's almost 3 years old now, and kids seem to still be buying the toys, they must have done something right.


Like I said recently, I had to witness this shit firsthand several days a week when I was working at the Lego store. The only conclusion I could come to is that their parents are probably in their 30's and they all probably grew up with the original movies and therefore showed it to their kids.
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#312302
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Anyone else here have a love/hate relation with Revenge of the sith ?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/312302/action/topic#312302
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Originally posted by: Baronlando
(If they ever release them, I wonder if many fans will buy them and then just fade away.)


Who says that isn't exactly what LFL is afraid of? Maybe I'm putting the OOT up on too high of a pedestal, but then again there was that quote from the Wired magazine guy back in September of '06, "they're not going to make the fan happy because the happy fan has everything he needs. They will kill the goose that laid the golden egg, they will cook it, they will eat it and they will sell the bones on Ebay."

I can't honestly say what I would or would not do, simply because I don't know the future. But when I take a huge step back and look at the big picture I would say that yes, I probably would fade away from Star Wars if the OOT were finally restored. I have other books to read and other movies to watch.

Like I said before, I'm becoming more and more convinced that Lucas has finally gotten the picture in regards to the place of the OOT. I'm being cautiously optimistic that we'll all finally get what we want for the next release, but I'm not holding my breath (as has often been said).
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#311588
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How much longer will the format war last?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/311588/action/topic#311588
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Here's what the real temptation will be:

Just take a look at what happened with the '04 box set. It had (at the time) the highest single day sales in the history of dvd. I don't think it's a stretch to say that the vast majority of those people never so much as bothered to pop disc 4 into their player, to say nothing of the audio commentaries. People that have enough time to listen to and watch all of that are labeled as, well, people with too much time on their hands. Most people are too busy adding 5 more titles to their 600+ collection to bother with taking several days to watch bonus material. They just wanted it so they could finally have the movies on everyone's favorite format.

LFL could just as easily pull the same shit with the next release. They could pad it out with documentaries that they know no one except we on these forums will watch. Then they could intentionally neglect the OOT once again.

Hey, whatya say we plan on this: As soon as the next release is even announced, if it doesn't have more or less exactly what we want (a 1080p24 transfer of the OOT with at least a couple of audio options), we immediately start the new petition.

good idea? yes? no?

Oh, and zombie, I don't know how it's even entering into your head that LFL would do the next release this year. I'm surprised enough that they're finding room after Indy IV and Force Unleashed to wedge in The Clone Wars. There's no way in hell we're seeing the next release until the end of next year at the earliest. I also don't see it happening until after the much-rumored 3D re-release. If the JoBlo rumor of a Spring '09 date for the 3D ends up being true, I would say it's a pretty safe bet we're seeing the blu-ray in fall of '09, which would - of course - also be perfect timing for the live action show.
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#311398
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How much longer will the format war last?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/311398/action/topic#311398
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In all seriousness, I'm becoming more and more convinced that we will finally see the OOT remastered for the next home video release (even if it's in the worse case scenario ADM described).

Maybe it's just delusions of grandeur (who am I kidding, that's exactly what it is), but that mention of wanting to put 100 hours of documentaries on the next release is making me think that they're going to give the movies the ultimate treatment, finally pull their heads out of the sand, and realize that people on the whole generally enjoy the OT significantly more than the prequels. This will translate to them giving each of the original films a five disc release while the prequels will only get two discs each at the most.

ps: yea, I'm really being delusional, but just let me dream for a moment.
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#311149
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I'll give Episode One something...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/311149/action/topic#311149
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Originally posted by: Mielr
so maybe if I had been a child I would have more nostalgic feelings about the time period in which it was released, but I don't think I would have enjoyed the film any more.


Heh, you just described what my situation was. While I have memories from the hype and the actual screening of Episode I, part of the reason I remember that time so well is that May 19, 1999 was only a couple weeks before I finally got done with 8th grade and the nine years of schooling I was desperate to get done with. Getting another Star Wars movie was what made the light at the end of the tunnel all the brighter.

Also, it's funny you should use the word nostalgia, because I'm guessing you saw the originals during their original runs in the late 70's and early 80's, and I'm guessing you wouldn't describe that as nostalgia. This is where (and I'm sorry to bring it up for the ninth, no, tenth time) LFL completely missed the point of why we want the originals in good quality.