Fang Zei

Yeah, a restoration should and in all likelihood would have the '77 version of the crawl.

I honestly don't care if they include the '81 crawl as an option or not, but since it would be the easiest thing I guess they should do it simply out of completionism for the theatrically released versions of the movies. Although, if we're gonna go down that slippery slope, where do the 70mm edits and the various sound mixes fall on the importance scale?

moviefreakedmind said:

It'd be interesting if it would be played in theatres; if so then they would definitely be released on blu ray for profit. Perhaps it isn't necessarily going to be a Disney sponsored showing in theaters, but maybe they will start allowing people to show the unaltered versions in theatres, like in events showing the best movies of the 70s etc etc

That would be very nice indeed.

The AFI Silver shows the '97 SE prints every now and then. Recently they showed ANH as part of an Alec Guinness series and RotJ as part of their 80's series. It would be great if, going forward, they could be allowed to show the true originals.

CatBus said:

DominicCobb said:

People aren't stupid enough to think that that's the original crawl.

I disagree--people are extremely stupid.  But more importantly, even when they're not stupid, they're imprecise.  They will use terms like "original" when they actually just mean "pre-1997".  I know a number of casual fans who really want a pre-1997 release, but they really don't care about the crawl, color timing, inauthentic sound effects, missing sound effects, etc--but they call what they want the "original" versions.  They just want a version of the Star Wars they used to know before it sucked, and many only knew it from VHS.  I suspect they easily outnumber us.  And I know Disney will cater to the largest audience first.

If the original crawl, sound mixes and colors are all that separates the true originals from "what most people know," then I would certainly hope Disney strives for authenticity above anything else.

Wow, nevermind, I just watched the youtube video and he actually says "the way it was," meaning the original version.

I'm guessing that gap in the recording is when he said GL told him personally. One of the other panel guys is joking about a "seven second delay" so maybe they really seriously didn't want it out there.

So then the only doubt would be if George actually meant the original versions when he told this to Landis, but I don't see why he would mention this - at some random panel somewhere for AAWWIL of all places - if he wasn't absolutely sure.

So I just heard about this John Landis quote late yesterday afternoon. Naturally it was after a weekend where my internet access was rather limited.

It's great to hear something on the subject from an actual reliable source, but as pointed out he never actually specifies the original versions.

We'll see....

emanswfan said:

Also still holding out for Lucasfilm to confirm whether they are using the Ultra Panavision 70 lenses for this.

If they are, I'm wondering how that's going to look in the finished film.

I was just listening to an interview with Harmy on the Undressing Underground podcast.

In my opinion, the more publicity it gets the better.

There's no way Lucasfilm isn't aware of it by now.

The more attention it gets, and the more people download it, the more incentive LFL/Disney/Fox will have to do an official restoration themselves.

When the old EU was officially discontinued last year, I heard some people saying "chill out, this isn't gonna be any different from what the Marvel or DC movies did."

That's a very flawed comparison when we consider the fact that the new movies share little in common with the last twenty-odd years of material. On the other hand, since all of the new media going forward will exist on the same level of canon, maybe they're just going to let the new movies do their own thing* and use the ancillary stuff to salvage certain elements of the old EU.

When I first read joefavs description of the big reveal at the end of Aftermath, it seriously sounded like the end-credits stinger of a Marvel movie that only the "true fans" would pick up on.

*speaking of which, do we know if the new Lucasfilm story group are having any input on the creation of these new movies, or are they simply there to connect all of the other media back to what the movies decide to do?

Mavimao said:

Definitely a change from episode 1 where it came out the following October. Ahhhh. The wait was painful (as was the final product)

I wonder why there was such a long delay. AotC was released in France around the same time as here if I'm remembering correctly.

Like I mentioned in the spoiler thread, I was in Paris visiting my sister the week JJ's Star Trek was released in France and Belgium two days before anywhere else in the world. So we got to see it a little early with very small and non-distracting French subtitles.

unamochilla2 said:

adywan said:

UK release date brought forward to the 17th December

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/34183688/uk-star-wars-release-date-brought-forward

"In France, Italy and several other European countries, the movie will debut on Dec. 16. However, a Middle Eastern market has won the earliest opening for the film: The United Arab Emirates will screen it as early as Dec. 15."

http://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/%e2%80%98star-wars-the-force-awakens%e2%80%99-to-release-early-in-europe/ar-AAe46pU?ocid=spartanntp

I was in Paris visiting my sister the week JJ's Star Trek opened in France (and also Belgium IIRC) a couple days before anywhere else in the world. So we got to see it a little early with very small and non-distracting french subtitles.

SilverWook said:

George wanted to have all the Dagobah scenes for ROTJ shot during production on ESB, (to avoid having to rebuild the massive set again) but they just ran out of time.

Suddenly that story about Marquand convincing George to return to Dagobah in ROTJ makes a lot more sense.

http://www.ibtimes.com/star-wars-force-awakens-next-trailer-may-be-released-next-week-new-posters-surface-2080839

Story is already several days old, but apparently the BBFC has passed a new trailer with a running time of 1 minute and 39 seconds. That would make it about twelve seconds shorter than the one from April.

Ah, I need a jump to conclusions mat, remembering now that the initial description simply said not long after Endor but not when exactly.

Very curious what Shattered Empire brings.

Interesting....

Full disclosure, I never actually finished the Thrawn trilogy. Got about halfway through book 2 IIRC. Last Command sits unread along with more books than I'd like to admit from the old EU, including the Hand of Thrawn duology.

I tried reading Outbound Flight after checking it out from the library almost a decade ago but never finished that either.

So my memory of Thrawn is fuzzy but this reference to artwork probably would've tipped me off as well.

Funny how they're (evidently) making reference to a character from the very first novel of the old post-Jedi EU in the very first novel of the new post-Jedi EU.

I am correct that this is the very first thing released so far to take place between episodes 6 and 7 in the new canon, yes?

Also, if this takes place the day after RotJ is there any reference made to Luke? One of the earlier Ep7 spoiler reports mentioned something about him not having been seen at all in the 30 years since Endor.

One more question, and I'm pretty sure the answer is no. If this is set immediately after RotJ and it follows a new group of characters, is there any chance the events of Truce at Bakura could still be taking place? Until your mention of a possible Thrawn reference I would've said the answer is definitely no, but now I'm starting to wonder if they're not wiping clean but simply "ignoring" some of the old timeline like Zahn first theorized.

joefavs said:

All right, I just finished it and things got very interesting at the very end. Not sure if the TFA thread is the place for full-blown Aftermath spoilers, but suffice it to say that someone shows up in the epilogue that I'm extremely interested to learn more about.

As you can see by my continued replies, I'm fascinated enough to want to know more.

My vote would just be to spoil it here and maybe put spoiler tags at the top and bottom if people really want to avoid them. Aftermath is specifically part of the lead-up to TFA anyway so I'd say it's relevant to this thread, unlike some other recent stuff in the NuEU unless I'm mistaken.

On a partially related note, there's a recent article on /Film about how the official databank (remember that?!) was queitly updated recently with a bunch of new entries pertaining to TFA.

All I have to say is that JJ must've been determined to get a Beastie Boys reference into the GFFA because Ello Asty? Really?

Y'know, the fact that it's gotten almost 7900 sigs and counting is at least somewhat heartening, but the fact that it's taken almost six years makes it pretty unsurprising that we've heard next to nothing on the subject from lfl.

I like how people are still signing and leaving comments. With any luck, the right person at lucasfilm will read them and pass it along to whomever will eventually be in charge of a restoration.

The new regime aren't idiots. The hiring of Kasdan and moreso Rian Johnson is proof to me that someone is reading people's online comments. I heard a story the other day that Spielberg of all people is actually a big reader of the geek sites and sometimes even has to be pulled away from the computer by his assistants.

So anything's possible.

By comparison, do we know how many sigs - and over what span of time - the original OOT on dvd petition recieved way back whenever?

joefavs said:

I like that it's re-canonized a lot of stuff

 Could you elaborate on this?

Or maybe he simply doesn't want the original versions restored until he no longer has to be around to see it happen?

Although I don't know what's weirder, demanding the OOT stay locked away until he's dead or demanding it stay locked away forever.

I'm pretty sure I remember reading somewhere that it was the nighttime scene on Tatooine with Anakin and Qui-Gon.

If you look at that shot where Anakin says "I want to be the first one to see 'em all," there's just something .... off-looking about it.

I'd also be curious to know just what make/model of camera was used. If this was part of principal photography it would've been the ancient past of 1997.

EDIT: Jaws beat me to it

Mike O said:

Fang Zei said:

jimbotron235 said:

Top of my list is Star Trek VI:

http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/tuchd/tuchd0188.jpg

http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/tuchd/tuchd0999.jpg

Ditto.

For some reason, this is always the first thing that springs to mind whenever I think of the worst blu-ray transfers. Maybe it's because I'm just barely old enough to remember when my Mom took me to see it in the theater. She actually surprised me with a theater-used ST6 poster this past Christmas.

It's the blu-ray equivalent of the GOUT for me.

The source master is apparently a 1080i they IVTC'd to 24p, as evidenced by the stair-stepping. My guess is that while they probably had a decent-looking 1080p of the director's version (the fresh transfer done in 2004 for the collector's dvd to replace the old non-anamorphic transfer), this 1080i from whenever/wherever was the best looking transfer of the theatrical cut they had lying around. So rather than spend the money on a fresh transfer they simply gave us this.

Voyage Home arguably looks the worst, like someone applied the watercolor filter and turned it up to eleven.

 

I keep hoping that for the 50th anniversary, Paramount will finally do some proper transfers for the Star Trek films. But my hopes are not high.

Fang Zei said:

GoldenEye is another truly atrocious set of screenshots. It's baffling how it looks that bad when we've seen it look much better in hd broadcasts and RMW's show reel. The home video department at MGM/Fox/Sony must've somehow thought nuking it with the watercolor filter was a good idea.

BTTF, Jurassic Park and theatrical LOTR fall into the category of middling but acceptable for me. Could've looked better, could've looked way worse.

 I wish there was a way to stop this DNR fetish. Goldeneye and Predator were the worst. I just got the first Predator Blu-ray, kept my old two-disc set and called it a day.

Is the new BTTF set going to have new transfers? I thought that as opposed to the DVD versions, the LOTR BDs came right off of the DIs? Haven't looked at my JP BD yet. The Vudu version I've seen a bit of actually looks OK. I'm waiting on the the Mega Middlle Earth collection with all six movies before I get LOTR, hopefully with the BOTFA EE due out next moth, the boxed set can't be far behind.

 70% of FotR theatrical went through digital grading but it was still finished photochemically. TTT and RotK were straight DIs.

The new BttF set will likely recycle the existing transfers, but we'll see.

Wrath of Khan was the only Trek title to get the 4K treatment, so they'll have to redo all of them in order to sell them yet again on UHD blu. There won't be a better time than next year, but again, we'll see.

You can now, yes, of course.

Tron '82 made its blu-Ray debut day and date with Legacy.

Dare I get my hopes up for a surprise OOT blu-Ray next Spring to coincide with TFA?

In response to the original question, I just think an upscaled GOUT - though it would have color and contrast closer to the original look - would have nowhere near the actual detail of the 2011 blu-Ray. Even excessively DNR'd blu-rays would still have more detail than an upscaled GOUT. For that reason alone, it's not surprising that the people in charge haven't repackaged it in any form with the 2011 transfers.

They're not interested in consolation prizes. I agree with the theory that Disney is simply driving up demand for a restoration by withholding the unaltered versions.

At least, that's what I hope is going on.

It was the same thing when Tron Legacy came out.

They intentionally let the dvd of the original go out of print and even requested that it be taken off the shelves several months prior to the sequel's release. Some people speculated that Disney was afraid people would see the original and get turned off by it enough to skip seeing the sequel in theaters.

Remember how TPM was originally scheduled for a Friday but Lucasfilm pushed it up two days so that they could get the fans out of the way ahead of the weekend?

I remember going to a 5/6 o'clock screening that wednesday and it definitely wasn't sold out. The line waiting for the 7/8 o'clock as I was leaving was a different story, though.

For TFA, I would want to see the very first screening, if only because I hate waiting and spoilers. That's what I did for Age of Ultron. 7 o'clock the Thursday night before and it wasn't even sold out, maybe half full. I feel like the whole early Thursday night thing still isn't very well known, even though it's basically become standard practice for the big blockbusters now. People hear Friday, they think Friday.

doubleofive said:

The director would prefer 2D, but also shot in IMAX, so he wants you to see it in IMAX, but the only IMAX showings are in 3D, so you can't do it right.

So its entirely up to you.

I was looking for a concise way to sum it up, but that'll do nicely!

All I'll add is that there could, theoretically, be 2D Imax screenings.

Yes, the person who sent in the scoop to makingstarwars said he heard that from two different theater managers.