Rogue One and TLJ weren’t released on 35mm according to imdb, and Solo wasn’t released on film at all.
FWIW, Episode IX is already listed as to-be-released on 35mm. But imdb is user-based, so this could just be pure speculation based on nothing but the fact that JJ is directing.
ESB was definitely changed color-wise, but it always struck me as the least manipulated of the three in terms of contrast. I’d be interested in getting people’s thoughts on that.
I still wonder what happened with the AotC bd.
I think what Williarob meant was that the 2004 HD master used for the 2011 OT bd’s was regraded from how the OT had ever looked prior to 2004.
Tried it again on my Roku Ultra and it froze up at the same point. The Roku auto-exited the file when it happened and said “cannot play video, file may be damaged or corrupted.”
The old pc I used to download the rar’s is way too slow to playback the 1080p mkv. I’m betting the 2013 macbook air could do it, although I’m open to advice as to which video player to use (vlc, quicktime, etc).
If the video still chokes halfway through the movie on the macbook, my only conclusion will be that the usb stick has some sort of issue. I’ve been told it’s probably not a problem with the rar’s since 7zip would’ve detected it when extracting the files.
Either way, I’ve given up trying to get the 35mm OOT together in time for the marathon, but that’s probably for the best since there’s a rather large drop in quality for the middle of the trilogy. Any chance 4k80 will be ready by this time next year?
Did Disney really have a choice when to came to the EU though? Prefer they make a movie with drama then “well Han couldn’t die here because he’s gotta be around for the Vong war”!
Conversely, if they’d set the ST after whenever they were up to in the EU at that point in 2013, they would’ve had to explain - or find a way to avoid explaining - Chewie’s absence.
It’s also unclear whether it was really Disney’s call to jettison the EU, or George’s. In an interview with Total Film just over a decade ago, George said the story told in the EU post-RotJ wasn’t at all what he would’ve done with it.
But I honestly wonder if there still couldn’t have been a way to tell a story set 41 years after Endor and within the same continuity as the EU that didn’t require audiences to know what had transpired in that time. I guess we’ll never know until someone gets more info from GL and Michael Arndt about the original plans for the ST as of 2012.
Until then, all we have to go on is the knowledge that JJ rewrote the script for VII to give the returning characters a bigger role and this recent interview with George about Microbiotic World.
I downloaded the rar’s of the no-DNR 1080p of 4k77 from mega and used 7Zip to extract the files straight to a 128GB memorex usb stick.
After plugging the usb stick into my sony blu-ray player to check out the movie, I noticed a minor technical issue and a much bigger technical problem.
The minor issue was that the player isn’t detecting the signal as 24p for some reason. I am correct that this should be a 24p (23.976p) file and not 1080i60, right? Could this be happening because I’m watching it off the usb stick and the player can only do 24p from an actual disc?
The major problem was that the movie froze up right around the destruction of Alderaan. It actually locked up my player the first two times it happened and I had to unplug the power. I was fast-forwarding through that scene when it happened the first time, but that’s probably just a coincidence. The second time I tried chapter skipping and got the same result, had to unplug power again. The third time I just let the scene play, and it froze during one of the shots where Tarkin is walking up to Leia. That time I was able to press the home button on my blu-ray remote and exit the video.
Any advice on these problems would be appreciated.
Let me just say, from what I’ve seen of it so far, TN1 has done a magnificent job (I’m dying to see how the Battle of Yavin looks). If Lucasfilm never gets around to restoring the unaltered versions from the superior elements only they possess, it will still be a shame. But thanks to the dedicated efforts of loving fans, it won’t be a cryin’ one.
Another longtimer here, although I’ve been posting just slightly more frequently than The Dark Lord 😉 with some occasional breaks every now and again.
Would Windows XP on a computer that’s easily a decade old be a good way to download this and transfer it to a large usb flash drive or would a 2013 Mac work better? I’d prefer to use the old pc if possible, so any advice would be welcome.
I’d like to get the no-DNR 1080p version in a file format where I can easily play it back on a sony blu-ray player via a usb stick.
Been meaning to chime in on this news since it was announced several days ago, so here it goes.
I think we all knew we hadn’t seen the last of Rogue One’s characters, with plenty of time in the twenty years pre-ANH to explore their backstories.
Now we know what the other tv series they first mentioned months ago will be. Ever since it was reported that Kathleen Kennedy met with Reed Morano at Sundance this year I’ve been envisioning a Handmaid’s Tale type of show exploring how people were indoctrinated into the Imperial way of life in those first years following Order 66. Showing us a single shot of some officers on the bridge of a Star Destroyer at the very end of RotS always felt like a bit of a cheat to me, so here’s hoping we see that developed a little more at some point.
This and The Mandalorian seem to be the entire focus of live action Star Wars at the moment, aside from Ep9. With no big screen productions in the immediate pipeline for after the ST’s finale, 2020 is looking like it will be the perfect hiatus year for Lucasfilm to focus on streaming content. I’m not going to hold my breath for an OOT restoration as well, but I’d love to be surprised.
I wonder if those 50 to 60 hours worth of tv episodes for the show George was developing a decade ago ever see the light of day in any form. Someone upthread mentioned Ron Moore as their dream showrunner. Did you know he was writing one of those episodes?
Putting aside the GOUT issue, I’m really just curious if 3.0 will simply be the unaltered stretches of the blu-ray (color-corrected, or course) using only the 35mm scans for the parts that were altered. For example, there are still some ‘97 recomps in the most recent version of the despecialized ESB if I’m not mistaken.
I would hope we finally have a viable alternative, but that may have to wait until Poita’s project is done.
I’d be surprised if poita’s project releases before 4K80.
Isn’t 4k80 already expected to take a while?
Yes, but - and I mean no disrespect to Poita here, he does great work, has helped the community in immeasurable ways, and his real-life job keeps him busy, not to mention the various health problems he’s had - of all the film scanning projects he’s begun over the many years he’s been active here, how many of them have actually been finished and released?
The movie theater where I work does a Star Wars marathon for the employees-only every year at the end of November / beginning of December, one movie per night. This year it will be Rogue One, OT, TFA, TLJ, in that order. Last year they simply hooked up a bd player to the 2k cinema projector and the sound system and used the official blu-rays. In one of the previous years they hooked up a laptop to watch despecialized, or so I’m told.
I’d love to change things up a bit this year but I don’t want to use despecialized for the OT since it’s stuck at 720p. So I’m wondering if I should just go with TN1’s OT or if the ideal lineup for now is 4k77 non-DNR 1080p, ESB Grindhouse, 4k83 non-DNR 1080p.
Yeah, that seems like a good way to do it. The official 1080p Blu-Ray releases of 4K77 and 4K80 will be out in a couple weeks, but then again, that’ll be the DNR 4K77 and a new pseudo-DNR 4K83 (with adjusted contrast and reel change markers removed), so you might wanna stick with the 1080p MKV versions instead.
Sorry, was “4k80” a typo?
Putting aside the GOUT issue, I’m really just curious if 3.0 will simply be the unaltered stretches of the blu-ray (color-corrected, or course) using only the 35mm scans for the parts that were altered. For example, there are still some ‘97 recomps in the most recent version of the despecialized ESB if I’m not mistaken.
I would hope we finally have a viable alternative, but that may have to wait until Poita’s project is done.
I’d be surprised if poita’s project releases before 4K80.
Isn’t 4k80 already expected to take a while?
The movie theater where I work does a Star Wars marathon for the employees-only every year at the end of November / beginning of December, one movie per night. This year it will be Rogue One, OT, TFA, TLJ, in that order. Last year they simply hooked up a bd player to the 2k cinema projector and the sound system and used the official blu-rays. In one of the previous years they hooked up a laptop to watch despecialized, or so I’m told.
I’d love to change things up a bit this year but I don’t want to use despecialized for the OT since it’s stuck at 720p. So I’m wondering if I should just go with TN1’s OT or if the ideal lineup for now is 4k77 non-DNR 1080p, ESB Grindhouse, 4k83 non-DNR 1080p.
Any advice would be welcome.
Putting aside the GOUT issue, I’m really just curious if 3.0 will simply be the unaltered stretches of the blu-ray (color-corrected, of course) using only the 35mm scans for the parts that were altered. For example, there are still some ‘97 recomps in the most recent version of the despecialized ESB if I’m not mistaken.
I would hope we finally have a viable alternative, but that may have to wait until Poita’s project is done.
Is ESB Grindhouse the only 35mm-based preservation of Empire that’s currently out there?
It was mentioned upthread that Despecialized 3.0 will be “entirely 35mm based.”
Does this mean 3.0 will finally be the “best of both worlds” version? In other words, the unaltered 70-80% of the bd color-corrected, with the 35mm scans used for the stuff that was altered, and none of Harmy’s meticulous recreations nor using the ‘97 re-comp shots in place of the true originals?
Speaking of which, did we ever determine what film element the unaltered GOUT crawl would’ve been scanned from?
Lucasfilm’s form response letter at the time stated that existing prints were in “bad condition” or something to that effect, but they didn’t exactly help their case by splicing in a newly transferred piece that looked just fine to me.
I’m curious if it’s a recreation after watching this video. In the GOUT the SW logo fades out sooner than it does on 4K77 and the SSE.
Does anyone want to chime in on this?
I’m curious myself.
Any legal barrier that was in their way is now gone, or at least it will be once the deal is officially finalized.
The time will eventually come to put out I-VI (and TFA and Rogue One) on 4k UHD. Whenever that ends up happening will be our earliest chance at seeing a restored OOT. If they were going to double/triple-dip the 2011 discs by including a 1080p OOT (like they did with the ‘04 dvd by including the GOUT), they would’ve done it by now.
Of course, now that the Fox buyout is on the way to being finalized I suppose anything’s possible. Maybe they’ll finally restore the OOT in 4k and just put it out on regular 1080p blu, maybe with a remastered SE to go along with it. But when the time comes for the OT on UHD you can bet they’ll include the unaltereds in all their glory.
Being able to watch the SE in 4k hdr, now with a fourth round of changes, just isn’t going to be much of a selling point for a sizable percentage of the fans.
Speaking of which, did we ever determine what film element the unaltered GOUT crawl would’ve been scanned from?
Lucasfilm’s form response letter at the time stated that existing prints were in “bad condition” or something to that effect, but they didn’t exactly help their case by splicing in a newly transferred piece that looked just fine to me.
The GOUT is just a low-resolution early 90s master from Lucasfilm (so, ostensibly, from earlier generation sources like the O-neg or separation masters). The SSE is based on release prints, I believe. They’re entirely different.
The GOUT transfers were done in 1993 from interpositives struck from the o-neg in 1985.
It occurred to me after Lucas’ interview mentioning the “microbiotic world” got out there that maybe this is what Hamill was talking about decades ago when he said George’s idea for how the saga was going to end was “really weird.”
When TPM 3D was on its way to theaters back in early 2012, the idea was that each year we would get the next entry in the saga.
At the time, I remember my assumption was that in 2017 when RotJ hit theaters we’d be hearing about them starting pre-production on Episode VII and that it would be shot in native 3D with stereoscopic camera rigs Cameron style.
I totally figured George would use the 3D post-conversion of I-VI as a test run of what he wanted to do with the ST. It would’ve been like 1997 all over again.
IIRC, back in 2011 George was going to build his own studio somewhere on the grounds of Skywalker Ranch, but the neighbors objected and he decided to build low income housing instead.
We didn’t find out until after the Disney deal that the real reason he wanted his own studio space was so he could make the ST right there in his backyard.
Maybe I’m not remembering the timeline of events clearly, but I want to say Kathleen Kennedy became president several months before the Disney buyout and that part of the reason George hired her was because he was selling the company (which, again, the rest of us wouldn’t find out until later).
Was the fake spoiler about Rey losing a hand in TLJ even a fake spoiler or did I stumble into mere speculation when I dipped into that thread last year?
Was that second bit in response to my post about returning to this thread?
Not at all, and like I said it was within six months before TLJ hit theaters that I ended up reading that spoiler (which turned out to be fake), not more than a year out like we are now with Episode IX.
I’m wondering now where that story originated.
Yeah, the ST has made it 2/3 of the way through without referencing anything about the OT that’s version-specific.
Was there ever any truth to that rumor from two years ago about Hayden as ghost Anakin showing up in TLJ?
Nope. Johnson has mentioned that he basically decided against the possibility completely as soon as he thought of it. I think the rumors started from a piece of concept art from TFA. But even then it was never seriously considered - the concept artists always come up some of their own ideas during development that sometimes get worked in, but that piece never made it past that one artist’s rendering as far as I can tell (well, I guess it ended up in the Art Of book).
Fascinating.
Yoda showing up was pretty much the only thing I spoiled for myself that turned out to be true aside from finding out in the wake of Carrie’s death that Leia ends up in a coma with Laura Dern’s character in charge, but even then I had no idea there would be this “on the run” storyline and just assumed they’d be down on D’Qar the whole time.
Actually, the spoiler I was really kicking myself for reading after peaking into the TLJ spoiler thread a little over a year ago - that Rey would lose a hand in true middle-chapter-of-the-trilogy tradition - turned out not to be true at all.
The question I always ask is just how in the world do these film prints end up in the hands of anyone other than the studio that released them.
Do you think the DMR files for the two-hour version of AOTC are still sitting on a hard drive somewhere?
Yeah, the ST has made it 2/3 of the way through without referencing anything about the OT that’s version-specific.
Was there ever any truth to that rumor from two years ago about Hayden as ghost Anakin showing up in TLJ?
Miramax continued to release plenty of stuff that wasn’t “family friendly” even after they were bought out by Disney.