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#276865
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Hypothetical: 30th anniversary theatrical release
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/276865/action/topic#276865
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Like I've said before, LFL has made its choice in regards to the GOUT and can't take it back. All it can hope for is to salvage whatever shred of decency it's left itself by remastering the OOT from an IP and getting it over with. It'll be impossible to explain the 2006 release as anything more than an easy cash-in, but if they didn't feel like giving the bare minimum expected treatment then they could've simply not released it. Again, they've made their choice and can't take it back.
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#275433
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How much does it cost Lucasfilm to make a DVD?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/275433/action/topic#275433
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Originally posted by: zombie84
The other option would to just take a print--or better yet, a IN or IP--and just run a straight transfer, with the standard dirt/scratch/grain removal filters that come standard in telecine packages. This would not yield a perfectly clean version of the film, but it would be as sharp as any other classic film out there and would be imperfect but reasonably clean--and it would definitly blow everyone away with its resolution and clarity. The cost of doing this is practically peanuts, which is why worthless shit that only few people buy like Smokey and the Bandit 2 and Revenge of the Nerds 3 get the same treatment--way under $50, 000. Add authoring a master and creating a simple menu system and you are looking at a great looking version of Star Wars that would cost Lucasfilm just under $100, 000. So basically, if ever user in this forum bought a copy, Lucasfilm would already be making profit on the disk, and obviously this would sell a few million copies and not just a few hundred.


Which is exactly what I was thinking would happen when the news broke back in early May. Weren't all of the original theatrical releases off of IP's anyway? And as you said, most old movies are put to dvd via IP at best, not the o-neg. And if telecines of the OOT were still being made as of 1995, doesn't that seriously call into question LFL's statement about the existing film copies being in bad condition? I mean, maybe after another 12 years they are now in bad condition, but I still wouldn't know.
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#275205
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How much does it cost Lucasfilm to make a DVD?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/275205/action/topic#275205
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Originally posted by: skyjedi2005
On top of that the original negative was altered. that is the best source for a restoration, being a first generation or no generation copy of the film coming right from the camera. that is what they used to restore the bond films by lowry the o-neg. sure Lucas must still have the interpositives or selected takes of those scenes on film rolls but the quality is at least 1 to 2 generations older than the o-neg.


a depressing, but true statement

also, this leads me to a question I've had. A lot of people said that it was Lowry's digital restoration that screwed up the colors for the '04 dvd, but since this was also the first time that the negatives had been scanned directly into the computer, do you think it's possible the negatives always looked like that? All of the previous releases were off of the IP's.
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#274394
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a rumor from thedigitalbits.com...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/274394/action/topic#274394
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pretty much....

Like I've said before, you don't alter the old movie just so the new movie will conveniently flow with it. What was the point of making the old movie in the first place if that's what you were going to do? It's cheating. You don't see the studios doing this with their old movies when a new installment in one of their franchises is released. In fact, you see the studios going more and more for an archival treatment of their films serieses on dvd. That's why Lucas has less and less of a leg to stand on with each passing day.
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#274072
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a rumor from thedigitalbits.com...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/274072/action/topic#274072
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I think the "9-disc" part of the rumor is actually just pure speculation and a jumped-to conclusion on their part. It's funny the way you construe it as the 2-disc prequel sets plus the '04 OT discs, 'cause I was thinking something quite different. If it were nine discs, I'd think it would be the latest 2007 edition of the saga plus the 3 OOT movies fully remastered. If the Superman set was 14 discs and it could be sold for only 70 dollars, I don't see why LFL can't go all out and do at least 12 discs for the movies themselves plus any additional discs on top of that.
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#274055
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a rumor from thedigitalbits.com...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/274055/action/topic#274055
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
"this is the first time that something SW didn't sell well"

Actually, product merchandising for TPM was abysmal. Lucas complained that there was simply too much, and subsequently limited the licensing for AOTC.


Right, but I think what was meant is that it was the first time a home video release of Star Wars did not sell well, and even that I think is up for debate because as we've said the numbers pretty conclusively show that the GOUT sets sold well.

Lucas really is an attention whore when it comes to the OOT. I actually want to believe that he authorized the GOUT release not only to keep money flowing into LFL but also to keep people talking about him.
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#274045
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It seems like nobody involved in the making of the Original Trilogy has spoken up about George Lucas’ oppression of the unaltered theatrical version of the OT.
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/274045/action/topic#274045
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that's interesting to find out

Kersh didn't really seem to care about the changes made to Empire since it wasn't changing the story so far as he saw it, but since that scream does pretty much change what happenned it's interesting to know that it might've been taken out for the '04 dvd at his behest.
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#274043
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Lucas @ The Oscars
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/274043/action/topic#274043
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Originally posted by: ReverendBeastly
Originally posted by: Jumpman
If someone can give me a complete and logic answer to this question, I'll gladly change my mind....

Becuase they didn't have 30 years of cultural hindsight in 1978.


you beat me to it

Star Wars was something like no one had ever seen before, it was too new. Even The Return of the King, which is pretty much regarded as the first Fantasy movie of any kind to win the award, was the third movie of a trilogy. The previous two had already been nominated for best picture and both lost.
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#273917
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a rumor from thedigitalbits.com...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/273917/action/topic#273917
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the way in which the theatrical LOTR dvd's were done would actually be my ideal treatment for the OOT. For each film, first disc is the movie in 16:9 enhanced widescreen and Dolby 5.1, with maybe a commentary or something since the movie isn't as long as an LOTR and hence doesn't take up as much space on the disc, and then the second disc would be all vintage documentaries, commercials, trailers, etc (then again, they already took care of the commercials and trailers on the '04 dvd). This wouldn't be hard to do at all, but LFL will probably drag this out as long as they can, selling us the "30th anniversary" stuff and the two tv shows before they bother to get around to it.
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#273905
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a rumor from thedigitalbits.com...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/273905/action/topic#273905
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Originally posted by: Number20
But as someone has said earlier, nowhere has anything been promised.


that was me,

although thinking back on that, Lucas did say in an interview around the time of the 9/12 release "now we'll see" and "it'll all come out in the end." Maybe to him this is nothing more than a funny experiment even though, as I keep saying, there's no way he doesn't know about the huge demand for a good quality OOT release. LFL should just do a high-def transfer of the OOT and get it over with so they can keep revising the SE every few years to keep it "updated."

As someone said in either this thread or one of the others, the star wars trilogy is just one of countless other movies that are yet to see the light of day. Watching that youtube video that someone linked to earlier, the "real political face talk" one, THX-1138's original version hasn't been released on dvd either. What are the chances it ever will be?
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#273833
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It seems like nobody involved in the making of the Original Trilogy has spoken up about George Lucas’ oppression of the unaltered theatrical version of the OT.
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/273833/action/topic#273833
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I was just thinking about this exact thing yesterday. At the press junket for the '04 dvd, Kershner said "I don't know what he's talking about" in response to some guy asking what he thought about the SE. Kershner just said that the color was enhanced, the sound was enhanced, they added the snow monster and that was it, "it's the movie I made." Maybe it's just because special effects are special effects and he himself said that wasn't his department or forte. He's a humble director who realizes that there are other people involved in making the movie besides him, something Lucas doesn't have the biggest respect for.

Kershner obviously had Lucas's blessing to do the SE of Empire, but I don't think ROTJ's would have been as bad if Marquand had still been alive in '97.
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#273765
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a rumor from thedigitalbits.com...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/273765/action/topic#273765
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Originally posted by: Jumpman
"please someone tell me what's prevented LFL over all these years from remastering the OUT."

Because, he didn't want to. The Special Edition is closer to what he wanted all along, from the beginning. He feels this is what HE wants to see out there in the general public when it comes to Star Wars.

Yes, but this was never preventing them from remastering the original versions.

Originally posted by: Jumpman
Also, this notion that Lucas won't or can't stop changing things is stupid. From '97 to '04, he didn't really change much at all. '97 was the year he changed and updated. '04 was the year he fixed the updates he made. I can pretty much guarantee that whenever the films are released again, the changes and updates will be very minimal compared to what he did in '97. It'll be fixing lightsaber colors, correcting matte lines, and another transfer. He'll do the most updating with the Prequels.

But Lucas' days of constantly redo the films is pretty much coming to an end....The scenario of what's going to be changed in this boxset has gotten way out of hand in the online community.


Were we discussing possible changes to the future boxset? No, we were discussing changes that have been made.