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#1376646
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Idea: Luke as an impostor clone in The Last Jedi
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So, this is an idea I had today. Since Luke behaves so differently in The Last Jedi than his past appearances (in my opinion, no offense to anyone), I thought it might be a good idea to make him a clone in The Last Jedi by adding entirely new dialogue for Snoke in the Throne Room scene. Of course, you’d need a good Snoke impersonator to pull any of this off.

Here’s how it would go:

“Darkness rises, and light to meet it. Skywalker… YOU presumed wrongly.”
“Young fool…you never found the REAL Luke Skywalker.”

Rey is shocked as Snoke laughs.

“Years ago, I called out to Skywalker through the Force, summoning him to Exegol, the lost world of the Sith.”
“Sensing my dark presence, of course he came. But that was his last mistake.”
“That was when I ambushed and KILLED Luke Skywalker.”

Ben slowly looks up, shocked but hiding it well.

“The galaxy would grow suspicious if one of its great heroes suddenly vanished.”
“So I created a clone of Skywalker to replace him. A clone that would not uphold his valiant ideals.”
“To prevent the real Skywalker’s spirit from warning his friends about my trap, I linked his soul to my own, imprisoning him until my demise, whenever it comes.”

“Then I sent the corrupt clone back to the new Jedi Academy, where he slowly began pushing Ben Solo towards the Dark Side.”
“When the clone tried to kill young Solo in his sleep, my plan succeeded.”

“This has all been a game to me!”
“Killing Skywalker, destroying his new Jedi Order, drawing Ben Solo towards his dark destiny, distracting the Resistance with a meaningless search…all just a game.”
“And now, my clone of Skywalker has given me one last gift…he has delivered me the TRUE last Jedi!”

Suddenly, Ben uses the Force to ignite Anakin’s lightsaber, killing Snoke! The rest of the Throne Room scene plays out the same with the Praetorian Guard fight, Ben’s choice, and the hyperspace jump.

Since Luke’s clone is actually not the real one, he never comes to help on Crait, so we cut that entire planet’s sequence. Decimating the Resistance troops on Crait doesn’t matter anyway, since the Resistance is large again in The Rise of Skywalker.
So, after Holdo’s sacrifice, the Resistance ships just fly away. We cut to Ben waking up and declaring himself Supreme Leader to Hux. Then we cut to the heroes in the Falcon, presumably after meeting up elsewhere since they didn’t all escape in the same ship. We cut Rey’s dialogue about Luke dying, and simply have it as “how do we build a Rebellion from this?” and “we have everything we need”.

Then when Luke appears in The Rise of Skywalker, it’s his first real meeting with Rey. His spirit is now free after Snoke’s demise. And since TLJ Luke was a clone, we obviously cut the dialogue about how Luke was wrong.
And when Luke catches the lightsaber and says “A Jedi’s weapon deserves more respect”, he’s actually mocking the impostor clone instead of himself.

There would also have to be some explanation why Luke’s corrupt clone is gone in TROS. Maybe he was at the end of his short clone lifespan anyway so he did Snoke one last favor before dying? Perhaps a new Snoke line mentioning that could also be added.

This idea was for a three-in-one sequel edit, so you’d also have all of Snoke’s TFA dialogue where he’s actually scared of Luke removed, since he knows Luke is already dead. And Rey’s dialogue about Luke not actually finding Exegol in TROS would be gone, since he did find it and died there (in this version).

What do you all think about this idea? Maybe it could work.

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#1375693
Topic
THE CLONE WARS SAGA (Released)
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CMMAP said:

This morning I had time to watch episode III. The amount of story you’ve chosen is sufficient and connects with the scenes, though this whole arc is relatively straight forward.
Story wise two things occurred to me:

  • the time ventress returns to dathomir and tells mother she needed time before returning - it is kind of odd because the plot is fast paced and we’ve no sense how long she has been gone, so leaving and the second return happens right after each other. My suggestion would be to fill in something, is there any footage usable?
  • at 1:26:22 ventress is leaving dathomir after mother told her, she have to follow her own path now, ventress is kind of left desperate in the Woods (wide shot from above). But 1:26:23 she suddenly travels to a new planet with a ship. Is there any footage of her acquiring this ship?

Like the previous films, the scenes you’ve mention don’t exist. Ventress doesn’t appear at all between “Witches of the Mist” and “Massacre”, and her appearances prior to that are all still serving Dooku so there’s not really anything I could add in between those episodes. There’s also no scene of Ventress boarding the transport.
I think it can just be assumed based off of dialogue that Ventress has been gone for a while, and also the fade-to-black transition that Ventress left Dathomir to find a transport.

In retrospective I feel the last paragraph of the crawl should be changed. Yes, Palps orders Dokuu to kill ventress, but is it really a „evil scheme“? In my opinion it bloats the role of palpatine in this, even though he just orders a kill once without any further deep planing.

Well, his scheme is forcing his apprentice to betray his loyal assassin. I think that both Ventress and Dooku would view that as an evil scheme. And Dooku wouldn’t have betrayed Ventress without Palpatine’s orders, so Palpatine really did cause this whole series of events.
Anyway, I’m not planning on changing the crawls anymore —- I have to rewrite the whole thing, record it in the crawl creator, crop the crawl video to proper aspect ratio, then remake the whole film in iMovie —- which would be a lot of trouble over one phrase. And that’s not even mentioning the hours of rendering, checking the audio synchronization, uploading to the folder, and finally writing out a post to let everyone know about the changes.

Technical criticism: you’ve to work on your audio transitions, there are to hard. Is there any chance you can do such things in iMovie?

  • 0:22:55/56; 0:44:10; 1:05:04; 1:26:23

Did you watch the updated version? The transitions should be fine in that one, especially since I remade it solely for the purpose of fixing the transitions lol 😂

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#1375564
Topic
THE CLONE WARS SAGA (Released)
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CMMAP said:

szopman said:

ExpandedUniverses said:

szopman said:

Any chances of uploading it on vimeo? 😀

Sorry, probably not. I don’t have a Vimeo account, but I’ve seen they have a history of taking down fanedits from their website. I don’t want to risk any copyright trouble with these fanedits, so I’m just sharing them discreetly via private messages on here.
Are the MEGA links not working for you?

Yeah, for some reason its not working 😔

Do you know resilio? If ExpandedUniverses grant me permission, I would share it with you.

Yeah, you can upload it there if that’ll help szopman access them. : )

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#1375508
Topic
THE CLONE WARS SAGA (Released)
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szopman said:

Any chances of uploading it on vimeo? 😀

Sorry, probably not. I don’t have a Vimeo account, but I’ve seen they have a history of taking down fanedits from their website. I don’t want to risk any copyright trouble with these fanedits, so I’m just sharing them discreetly via private messages on here.
Are the MEGA links not working for you?

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#1375507
Topic
THE CLONE WARS SAGA (Released)
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CMMAP said:

ExpandedUniverses said:

Also, I wanted to ask if you enjoyed CORRUPTION ON MANDALORE? You gave a pretty good review of PATH OF THE PADAWAN, so I just wanted to see if you felt the same way about this installment.

It was worthwhile to watch, the story seemed fluent except at one point if I remember correctly: doesn’t have the timestamp at hand but as we hover over the Jedi temple and than cut to padme, ashoka and anakin walking. Is it inside of the Jedi temple? The cut doesn’t feel like it is the case.

The exterior shot I used is of the Senate Building on Coruscant. The scene of Anakin, Ahsoka, and Padmé it cuts to also takes place inside the Senate Building, so I think it works fine.

It would have been nice to see some training of the clones („bad batch“), but this would have been something for the first episode.

About the clones, I decided that their storylines weren’t really important enough to receive a whole film (at least until Fives’ Order 66 plot and The Siege of Mandalore). While I do enjoy the stories of Domino Squad, Umbara, et cetera, they just didn’t impact the plot enough to fit into a “Saga” format.

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#1375404
Topic
THE CLONE WARS SAGA (Released)
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The updated final versions of THE CLONE WARS SAGA have been uploaded to the folder. Please download these and replace your old versions. : ) I haven’t changed Episodes I and VI since their last updates (Episode I’s last update was on the 11th, Episode VI’s was on the 9th), but I remade all four other films today (the 15th) with improved episode transitions.
The new versions have much better episode transitions and some other additions. These will be the final updates to these films, because I don’t think there’s anything else I’d like to change at this point.

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#1375150
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THE CLONE WARS SAGA (Released)
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CMMAP said:

As before i´ll mention technical aspects of your edit, since content wise it is and should be your own thing.

Your additions and corrections for episode I are working so far.

Episode II - Corruption of Mandalore

  • Crawl --> maybe without the exclamation mark. SW never used this kind of thing, but if you want to keep it, just do so

Revenge of the Sith’s crawl begins with “War!” and The Rise of Skywalker begins with “The dead speak!”, so personally I think the exclamation point works fine. This crawl is the also the only time I used an exclamation point in all six crawls, so it’s low usage should fit pretty well with traditional Star Wars punctuation.

  • Transitions:
    –> 0:22:49 - too abrupt
    –> 1:04:30 - perhaps use an audio fade out/fade in to the next scene
    –> 1:46:25 - hard abrupt cut
    –> 1:48:12, 1:48:12 - same here
    –> 1:49:18 - use a audio fade out or fade in
    –> 1:50:47, 1:53:44, 1:57:14, 1:57:54 - same here

Thanks for letting me know about these faulty transitions. I’m not really planning on doing any more editing for a while, because I got kind of burnt out after spending a lot of time making these. So the transitions probably won’t be fixed for a while.
All of the episodes besides Episode I (updated) and Episode VI have abrupt cuts, but I made edits 2-4 before I received any feedback on my transitions so I didn’t know the best way to edit them. I’ve edited 1 & 6 since I received feedback, so those are edited better.

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#1374631
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THE CLONE WARS SAGA (Released)
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CMMAP said:

Damn, you are fast 😄 Now i have to watch epsiode I again first^^

Lol 😂 You really don’t have to, I didn’t change much. Just replaced a few hard cuts with fade-to-blacks. The short new Ahsoka flashback is at 38:20 if you want to watch it. : ) The new arc transition between Malevolence and Geonosis is at 1 hour and 34 minutes. The added music doesn’t flow as well as I’d like there, but iMovie seems to move it around every time I render for some reason.
So I just ended up giving up after rendering the whole thing three times to no avail lol 😂

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#1373957
Topic
THE CLONE WARS SAGA (Released)
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FINAL UPDATE FOR EPISODE VI:

Okay, so last night I successfully made a third and final version of EPISODE VI - FATE OF THE REPUBLIC. This version has both high quality audio and video, because I finally found a way to maintain the quality of both!
It’s in the folder where the old one used to be. If you’ve downloaded my edits, please download the new final version of Episode VI instead for the best possible experience! Thanks!

UPDATE (AGAIN): Actually please wait on downloading this! I put two of the episodes in the wrong order (because I’m an idiot). Let me fix that first…

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#1373788
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THE CLONE WARS SAGA (Released)
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The updated version of EPISODE VI - FATE OF THE REPUBLIC with fixed audio issues has finally been released. If you have downloaded the previous version, I kindly ask that you delete it and watch the new version instead.

Unfortunately, the video quality has dropped slightly as a side effect of the method I used to correct the audio, but these are free amateur fanedits, so please don’t expect the best video quality lol 😂

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#1373388
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THE CLONE WARS SAGA (Released)
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CMMAP said:

ExpandedUniverses said:

I made the opening crawl using an app so I didn’t have any control over the angle. I thought it looked the most accurate of the crawl creators I could find though.

I also have no idea how to pan down from the crawl to space, especially since most Clone Wars episodes do not begin in space. But I definitely would’ve like to have smoother transitions from the crawls if I was more skilled in editing. Smudger9’s edits are really good with space transitions but I’m nowhere near as skilled of editor as he is lol

Ah, ok. Of course you don´t have to be able to edit like smudger9 😄 Step by step.

I had to cut a lot of footage because during that fight a lot of dialogue references the clone-traitor plot from the original episode, which wouldn’t make sense here since I cut that storyline. Ventress’s floor thing was cut kind of weirdly originally too, but it was broken up by the clone scenes I removed. I also cut the silly sequence where Ventress throws books at Obi-Wan and Anakin (like that’s going to do anything to a Jedi lol).

Mh, fair enough. Didn´t recall the episode exactly, but seems to be a tough one for editing.

Sorry, but I didn’t edit the main content of those episodes. The council meeting scene doesn’t exist unfortunately, or else I would put it in there.

Unbelievable 😄 What did they thought by writing this.

This is just another problem with transitioning between episodes without the narration. Obi-Wan’s call for help is never shown in the episodes, only mentioned in narration so I couldn’t use it. I’ve noticed that this show is a bit hard to edit into films because major plot points are introduced via opening narration pretty often.

Same as above 😄

That’s where the original episode ended. I think I just need a fade to black and then maybe cut to the Republic fleet emerging from hyperspace outside Geonosis for a better transition.

That sounds good, audio fade out is also important. It ends abruptly.

I’d probably just add a fade-to-black here. I should have utilized the fade-to-black technique more when making this film, because it works well to show a passage of time and makes for an easier transition between episodes. The following installments are better about episode transitions I believe.

thumbs up

I use iMovie on my iPad, which definitely isn’t the best editing software. It was only allowing me the 720p .MOV option so I had to go with that. Though I would’ve liked to render in higher quality, it just wasn’t really an option with my software.

kind of sad, but not your fault. You´re not obligated to purchase a video editor.

Tomorrow i´ll be watching epsiode II and provide my impressions.

Okay, thanks for understanding! : ) I hope you enjoy Episode II. Here’s a warning in advance: the transition between the Mandalore (Season 3) arc and Lux Bonteri arc is a bit rough. I forgot to put a fade to black here too, but I think it needs one because Ahsoka’s character design changes to her more mature look in the Lux Bonteri arc.

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#1373248
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THE CLONE WARS SAGA (Released)
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CMMAP said:

So, I finished watching Epsiode I - Path of the Padawan:

First of all, i lift my hat. Really great work. The story per se flows insanely good, I personally never got bored, right amount of humor left. I am happy.

Thanks for your review! I appreciate the compliments and I’m glad you enjoyed it.

I have some minor issues. You already stated that you’re aware of some unfortunate transitions here and there. So my observations:

  • opening crawl
    did you use the right angle for the floating text? It seems off. Also the text disappears to fast, let it fade more. If necessary use additional footage for a transition from the floating text to the space or a new scene

I made the opening crawl using an app so I didn’t have any control over the angle. I thought it looked the most accurate of the crawl creators I could find though.

I also have no idea how to pan down from the crawl to space, especially since most Clone Wars episodes do not begin in space. But I definitely would’ve like to have smoother transitions from the crawls if I was more skilled in editing. Smudger9’s edits are really good with space transitions but I’m nowhere near as skilled of editor as he is lol

  • Obi-Wan and Anakin fighting Ventress
    it is obvious there is footage missing e.g. as ventress is Running up the stairs and the next shot is, that she’s sitting and lurking both to come closer. Add footage back in.

I had to cut a lot of footage because during that fight a lot of dialogue references the clone-traitor plot from the original episode, which wouldn’t make sense here since I cut that storyline. Ventress’s floor thing was cut kind of weirdly originally too, but it was broken up by the clone scenes I removed. I also cut the silly sequence where Ventress throws books at Obi-Wan and Anakin (like that’s going to do anything to a Jedi lol).

  • 0:51:11
    Beforehand they talking about to go to a council meeting and than there is a cut to an mission briefing. I’m afraid this don’t work, you’ve to add the council meeting.

Sorry, but I didn’t edit the main content of those episodes. The council meeting scene doesn’t exist unfortunately, or else I would put it in there.

  • 1:12:04
    Anakin told the clone to make the ships ready, to be prepared if obi-wan asks for their help. You should add his call for help, because it is strange to see Anakin and Ashoka at the medical station and in the scene afterwards onboard of the ship. The same counts for master plo koon. The transition at 1:12:57 is too hard, somehow make it smoother.

This is just another problem with transitioning between episodes without the narration. Obi-Wan’s call for help is never shown in the episodes, only mentioned in narration so I couldn’t use it. I’ve noticed that this show is a bit hard to edit into films because major plot points are introduced via opening narration pretty often.

  • 1:12:32
    did you do some kind of color correction? If so, the whites are too bright

I didn’t do any color correction on my edits. That’s just the original coloring. But I agree there’s kind of a weird coloring during that scene.

  • 1:34:12
    the cut to the new scene is also too hard. Add footage of obi-wan, anakin, padme back in and make the transition smoother

That’s where the original episode ended. I think I just need a fade to black and then maybe cut to the Republic fleet emerging from hyperspace outside Geonosis for a better transition.

  • 1:54:59 to 1:55:00
    again, the cut is too hard, add source material and fade smoothly

I’d probably just add a fade-to-black here. I should have utilized the fade-to-black technique more when making this film, because it works well to show a passage of time and makes for an easier transition between episodes. The following installments are better about episode transitions I believe.

Anything else is fine and works well, from my perspective

Thank you! I appreciate you taking the time to view and review my work.

Some other questions:
Which application do you use for editing? Is it possible for you to do 1080p? Could you render with less compression, so the files will be bigger but contain more quality (e.g. up to 10 Gb per episode) and use mkv as target file?

I use iMovie on my iPad, which definitely isn’t the best editing software. It was only allowing me the 720p .MOV option so I had to go with that. Though I would’ve liked to render in higher quality, it just wasn’t really an option with my software.

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#1373044
Topic
THE CLONE WARS SAGA (Released)
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Well, if you’re going to merge the threads, then at least change the title from “Idea: The Clone Wars - A Six-Film Saga” to “The Clone Wars Saga (Released)”. Because it’s not really just an idea anymore since it exists now. That’s the reason I made a new thread, since this website doesn’t have a way to change thread titles. Thanks!