Thanks! Enjoy your holidays as well!
You could try to go back and do version closer to your original test, but cut out the “rather talkative cargo pilot line” and the “time and ally of the Rebellion” line. Cutting those lines can help from repeating those shots as much as possible.
I’m going to potentially try something like what you initially suggested and also see if shortening his dialogue in this way makes the current version any better.
But you would still need to change the background of the Krennic shot, or at least remove the panel where we can see the Death Star in the background. Enough to show that it might just be the other side of the bridge windows.
Oh, that’s a good idea, I can probably work with just changing what’s in the window.
If you just had to have another insert for that second Tarkin scene, maybe you could use another angle of the technicians pressing buttons that is from the scene that you removed after the Jedha test.
I have a version that does this, but I actually feel that this shot of him turning works better than the other shots (maybe with some more color correction). We don’t really see this angle in this scene otherwise, and there’s nothing to suggest that there can’t be windows behind them. (And I can probably get rid of the left window panel to obscure the death star more than it is already).
Well there reason I suggested cutting that scene sooner where he asks if the plans are on Scarif is because the multiple wide shots are awkward partially because how the officer keep slowly swinging his arms as he is standing there because of how you reused the shots. If you could make just make that part of him a still image it might be less noticeable.
Yep, it’s smart to get rid of the last one, I going to give it go again. The arm swinging can probably be fixed too, I just need to get creative with the speed control and matting.
Thanks for all the feedback! I agree with everyone that changing the backgrounds of some shots would clear up the continuity issues, but I’m afraid that’s a bit beyond my abilities.
it is really hard not to show Tarkin’s face in that first scene, but what if you instead you just try to limit how much you show his face
Broom Kid said:
The only real problems with digital Tarkin are the lighting (he’s a little TOO translucent and starkly lit, he should be flatter) and the way his mouth moves unnaturally
My objections to the CGI aren’t just limited to how bad it looks, but more so the fact that Peter Cushing is dead and couldn’t consent to the process (whatever his estate approves). It just feels incredibly violating to me to have your visage commodified by a corporation long after you have any control over it. I think their insistence that they are honoring his performance is a little rich considering that they recast two other roles whose faces weren’t as distinctive. If they truly valued his acting they could honor it by giving the role to another fine actor to interpret (Guy Henry’s real face and all).
(Also just trying to cut down his face is a losing battle; they already limit it a great deal and the shooting and editing style in his scenes changes a fair bit to accommodate this). Really, editing him out partially or completely is going to look rough without additional coverage. (All that extra footage in the trailers and almost none in the scenes I needed!).
As Tarkin turns to deliver the line about the “rather talkative cargo pilot”, this is when you cut…
All of these are good ideas, but the problem is that it’s all match cuts as he moves around Krenic, and cutting it down just make it look like he’s telporting. Some of your ideas are somewhat different than what I tried, so I’ll give them a go.
Cut the “You have made time and ally of the Rebellion.” line and shot.
This is a good idea, I remember doing it and then reverting it. I think because the music pulses a bit here it was a more obvious cut, but I might be able to finesse it a bit.
Then, after Krennic turns to face Tarkin, you could cut to the close-up of Krennic that you slowed down. “I will not fail.”
The neat thing is I took a shot of Krennic from the trailer of him just staring, color matched it to the later footage in the final film and smoothed the gap between the two by abusing Resolve’s “smooth cut” feature.
For the next Tarkin scene, I don’t think you really need the extra shot you added in that has continuity issues. I honestly think you could jump cut from the shot of Krennic stepping forward to the shot of him turning around and it wouldn’t feel that strange. I at least think it would be better than if you kept that additional shot that is from an entirely different scene.
That would just be a jump cut; the shots are framed basically identically. I could do a big zoom on the second shot, but it’s still missing time of him turning so you couldn’t get a match cut out of it. I originally had another shot of the technician working the controls here, but the fact that I do this quickly again made it obvious he was filling a gap.
I like the way you had Tarkin’s following dialogue in the next scene as VO. I think it works well here.
Thanks, there’s really no other way to handle this scene other than making Tarkin a hologram or a audio waveform on the Death Star screen, which is beyond my skills.
The scene where Tarkin wants to speak to Krennic, I think you should just end that scene with Tarkin asking if the plans are on Scarif and the officer replying yes. Ending the scene there would be enough to infer what he is going to do, and we don’t need to know that he is “informing Lord Vader”. Vader can just be a surprise at the end of the film. Another reason to do this is because you’re forced to overuse that one wide shot and it is noticeable.
I think I tried to do this but the audio wouldn’t cleanly cut; maybe the center bled into the stereos or something to do with the music length? I might see if there’s a way around it.
If you keep Leia’s face concealed (Broom Kid made a very fair point about it!), maybe you could add the sound of R2’s wheels getting closer to Captain Antilles, which will help the audience assume that he is right there with him and Leia when she delivers that line.
Also, I don’t think you need the quick shot of the rebels pulling the plans back out and saying, “Let’s go!”. Just showing the plans transmitting (and hearing it say ‘transmitting’) is enough to know what is going on. I just assume those are some rebels on the Profundity who don’t make it off alive, and they’re transmitting it to the Tantive IV.
Yep, that’s how it should look like (and what makes sense within the context of the first film and presumably similar to how it was going to be before the reshoots.) The reversed footage actually looks pretty good. I think I needed the 2nd shot for length, but that was before I added that closeup of Vader, so I might be able to cut it now.
I don’t know if you’re using wipes throughout, but I think having the fade-to-white just fade back onto the Tantive IV flying away from the Profundity would work as well if you decided not to use wipes too. It just feels a little out of place there to me because wipes typically imply time is passing, and you don’t really have wipes in the middle of battle.
I actually like the idea of some time passing here, because it makes more sense for the Tantive to be some distance away. I do think a fade might work better, how does this look?:
https://vimeo.com/364437724 pwd: originaltrilogy.com
Now that you’ve moved 3PO and R2 to the end, would you consider cutting out their Yavin appearance?
Yeah, if I can do it cleanly that makes sense.
I generally like Rogue One, but I thought that the CGI recreation of a dead actor was deeply wrong. Seeing Peter Cushing’s corpse digitally puppeteered around is deeply unnerving and there’s something really weird to the idea that a CGI model is necessary at all rather than just recasting (which they already do for two characters in the film). They have a whole video where Guy Henry says he’s not an impressionist and his portrayal will be an evocation of Cushing’s and then they cut to ILM painstakingly matching Cushing’s expressions. So much of the discussion around this focuses on the uncanny valley, but for me the uncanny bit isn’t just the CG model, it’s the idea that any of this is necessary or okay.
As an experiment, I cut together a version of the film which only shows the back of Tarkin’s head during his scenes, in a similar manner to how an older Hollywood film might handle the absence of a distinctive actor. I also took the opportunity to cut out Evazan and Baba, the Darth Vader hallway scene (which I have never liked) as well as cutting around showing Leia’s face. (I have much less issues with her CGI appearance as Carrie Fisher could consent to it, but the idea that it’s necessary is again really weird to me. It’s cinema, it lives and dies on closeups! Ending your film with a shot of technology just feels hollow).
Here is a video showing the scenes I changed:
There’s not really any extra coverage in these scenes to work with, so this involved splicing in shots from elsewhere in the film, often with obviously off continuity. I used footage of Ben Mendelsohn found only in a trailer, as well as emulating rack focus in a shot to blur out Tarkin. To cut around Leia’s face, I added footage of the droids from the original Star Wars with some Anthony Daniels lines from the latest Battlefront game. I like the idea of ending with the droids as they are the core of the first film.
The result is very unpolished, but it turned out better than I thought it might. If anyone has any ideas on how the editing might be made smoother I’d love to hear them.
It’s a font from the Bauhaus family (Bauhaus LT Bold seems to match very closely).
Sure, it’s just the copy on Amazon Prime: https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B07NS382P9/
If they have the ability to cap it in 1080p at 23.976fps, that would be wonderful. All I’d really need capped is the opening of the film, beginning with the subtitled shots of the Klingons through the Kolinahr scene with Vulcan subtitles.
Currently streaming on Amazon Prime in the US is a copy of Star Trek: The Motion Picture. It is mostly the same master as the blu-ray, DNR and all, but it does have the original subtitles (and they aren’t recreated, they are clearly opticals).
Does anybody have the capability to make a proper cap of this? I’m not likely to do another version of my DC in HD project (what with the news of a potential Director’s Cut blu-ray project from Paramount), but it would be nice to have a copy of the subs as they were in theaters. This is currently the only copy of the original subtitle typesetting outside of VHS and laserdisc copies.
Video technical notes:
- As the various home media releases of Phantom have differing levels of quality, this edit uses the Kino, Image, and BFI blu-rays for greatest picture quality. I used many of the same techniques found in my 1925 Version Reconstruction and some new ones. I desaturated the footage to black and white, as I was not satisfied with the tinting in any version.
- The Image and Kino blurays use the same underlying master. The Kino master is a much better encode with a better grain structure, but inadvertently crushes the black levels of some scenes while trying improve the look of the tinting. It also has various small editing and sync errors, mostly introduced while trying to fix splice marks. I created a composite by syncing the two together and overlaying the mid-tones and highlights from the Kino disk over the shadow detail from the Image disk. This helped me preserve shadow detail while correcting sync errors. The resulting picture is somewhat softer than the Kino disk, while still looking much better than the Image disk. This affords a good look to the film with less problems than the Kino or Image presentations on their own and in my mind is the best option outside of evaluating the picture on a shot-to-shot basis.
- The opening of the film through Carlotta speaking to the owners is taken from the BFI bluray, as it digitally removes the troublesome hair that wiggles all around the gate. Because the BFI bluray runs at 24fps and uses frame duplication to sync to it’s soundtrack, I had to use a decimate filter and then carefully match the footage frame by frame to the Image/Kino source to ensure there were no frames missing.
- Some shots in the cellars were taken from the newly discovered sound reel of Phantom on the BFI disc. It lacked the damage in the other 35mm copy.
- Bal masque sequence: The BFI bluray has poor coloration. The Kino Bluray and 24fps Image bluray has frame blending from an incorrect frame rate conversion. I took the interlaced 20fps Image bluray and deinterlaced it, eliminating as many blended field frames as possible.
- Rooftop scene: This is the only scene which I kept tinted to preserve the recreation of the two tone Handschiegl technique on the Phantom’s cape. The shots of Christine and Raoul come from the BFI bluray (better detail), with color correction to fix the rather poor tinting. The shots of the Phantom come from the Kino disc (better detail than the BFI, which uses a copy taken from an earlier Channel 4 restoration).
- Finale: The Kino Bluray and 24fps Image bluray again have frame blending from an incorrect frame rate conversion. The BFI bluray is tinted so strongly here as to be indiscernible. Even color correction shows that there is no detail to regain. I took the interlaced 20fps Image blu-ray and deinterlaced it, eliminating as many blended field frames as possible. This results in a rather soft look with lots of dirt (the interlaced mater had no computer restoration done on it), but it’s the best the sequence has ever looked on home media.
Audio track technical notes:
- Most of these recordings were not performed originally to the print they were synced to (the exception being the Laze soundtrack) and thus have sync errors even in their initial release. I have attempted to fix some of these by ear, but the sync is somewhat loose in general.
- Also of note is that while most of these scores run at 23.97 fps (NSTC Color speed), the Kino/Image blurays run at true 24fps for some reason, and I didn’t notice the discrepancy till I was well into syncing the video. This is addressed by simply duplicating frames in some of the intertitles, and should be unnoticeable, but the resulting file does have more frames than other releases of the film and is probably unsuited to be synced to scores running at other speeds.
Track 1: Gaylord Carter Organ Score - Remastered Stereo
This track uses the Kino and Image releases to reconstruct the full score in stereo, although sections from the mono laserdisc are used at times.
The first Image bluray uses frame stepping to slow the speed of its ballet sequences and runs in sync with the new Alloy Orchestra score. The Gaylord Carter score simply runs wildly out of sync for the first half of the film until they cut it around the middle (it’s still out of sync for most of it). The Image re-release attempts to fix the sync by cutting it up to fit the picture, although the results are still not great. The Kino release uses the sync from the first Image disk in error.
Track 2: Gaylord Carter Organ Score - Laserdic Mono:
This is a digital capture of the Gaylord Carter Score as heard on the laserdisc (from a mono tape source). There are some sections where the score audibly runs about a second before or ahead of the action on the laserdisc and I have attempted to fix the sync on some of those. Occasional hard edits and tape warble are present on the original track.
Track 3: Alternative Gaylord Carter Organ Score:
Compared to the other tracks, this required more edits. The Killiam print used step-printing to reduce the frame-rate of the ballet scenes and the finale. For those cases, I edited down the soundtrack to the best of my ability to fit with the faster footage used here. The finale already featured many abrupt edits, so by shortening it, I was able to reduce their obviousness or eliminate them. The print also used the black and white version of the Bal masque sequence, so the soundtrack had to be edited to match the color one.
Track 4: Korla Pandit Organ Score
This is a digital capture of the original laserdisc audio (from a tape source). It mostly synced well and required only a few edits. While most of the laserdisc runs at 24 fps, one reel in the middle of the film runs at 20 frames a second; a strange decision made by the projectionist. I could have matched this in my video edit, but in the interest of not having many separate HD video files, I have simply sped up the score for this section of the film by 20%. The audio fidelity suffers somewhat, and the tempo feels a bit off, but it’s a decent compromise that only effects a portion of the film.
Track 5: Lee Erwin Organ Score
This score is sourced from the reelclassic dvd release, which is a capture of 16mm Essex films print. Being a worn 16mm print, the audio is scratchy, warblely and much lower fidelity than the other tracks. It also required more edits to match to the picture, although working with a noisier track means they were somewhat easier to disguise.
Track 6: The Laze Score
This score is sourced from the full video version released on vimeo. The score was synced to a video running at 25fps (PAL speed), which I slowed down to 24fps using sox for re-sampling (also preserving the original pitch). There are a few edits for sync. On two occasions I was able to use the album release of the score to get a clean beginning and ending to a track, making the edit much cleaner.
This is an HD copy of the 1929 version of the silent ‘Phantom of the Opera’ running at 24fps, synced to a number of scores which are either not available synced to an HD picture or which have some deficiencies in their official release. The first four scores are performed by accomplished organists, the fifth is by a progressive rock band, “the Laze.”
Gaylord Carter Korla Pandit Lee Erwin The Laze's Album
Gaylord Carter Organ Score: This score (recorded for Blackhawk Films) was featured in mono on an Image laserdisc and then remastered in stereo for the Image and Kino blurays. Unfortunately it’s wildly out of sync on both blurays, leaving the laserdisc as the only good presentation. I have included a re-synced stereo score as well as the original mono release. It’s a nice organ track by a prolific silent accompanist.
Alternative Gaylord Carter Organ Score: This is a different recording, also by Gaylord Carter, performed for the Paul Killiam Film Classic Edition that aired on television in the 1980s (this copy of the score is sourced from a youtube copy of a television airing). It’s lower fidelity than the other Gaylord Carter score, but is a nice performance, with many different creative decisions that set it apart from the Blackhawk Films version.
Korla Pandit Organ Score: This is a live recording of a Korla Pandit score, only ever released on laserdisc by Lumivision. Korla Pandit was an an African-American organist who publicly wore a bejeweled turban and adopted the persona of a French-Indian musician from New Delhi. He originated the television act later helmed by Liberace. The score is performed on a vintage Wurlizer theater organ and is lively and engaging. Somewhat strangely, the sound engineers for the 1990 laserdisc choose to dub in sound effects over the recording, mostly assembling a limited audience reaction track and some select sound effects. The audience reactions are clearly stock effects and, in my opinion, somewhat mar this otherwise fine track.
Lee Erwin Organ Score: This is a score performed by Lee Erwin for the Essex Films/Griggs-Moviedrome release. It contains narration for the ‘man with the lantern’ opening voiced by John Griggs, a Broadway and radio actor who collected and sold vintage films. It’s sourced from the reelclassic dvd release, which is a capture of a 16mm print and thus is fairly low fidelity. Still, it’s a solid score for the film, performed by another prolific silent accompanist, now synced to a high quality picture.
The Laze Score: The Laze is a rock group founded in Liverpool. Their score to Phantom is varied and well-produced. From the press release: “Influenced by a history of horror soundtracks, from Bernard Hermann and Angelo Badalamenti to Goblin and John Carpenter, The Laze implemented elements of Progressive Rock, Classical, Jazz, Heavy Metal & Electronica in their score. The band premiered their live soundtrack at Liverpool’s Picturehouse cinema, in the arts hub of FACT, on Halloween 2010. The sold-out, one-night-only performance led to further performances in UK cinemas, which concluded with a sold-out tour of selected Picturehouse Cinemas for Halloween 2011. Now they are bringing the Phantom into your home!”
This release replicates the version of the score available for free on their Vimeo page. You can purchase the album version of the soundtrack on the Laze’s Bandcamp.
- Gaylord Carter - Image Laserdisc Intro
The intro from the Blackhawk Films version of the film, which has an extended audio introduction over several title cards which introduce the picture.
- Korla Pandit - Lumivision Laserdisc Intro
This introduction shows Korla warming up on the organ before his live performance.
- The Phantom Of The Opera - 07:17
An excerpt from yet another recording of Gaylord Carter’s score to Phantom on a Møller organ originally commissioned for Reginald Foort which was then installed in a Pizza parlor in San Diego. From the album, ‘The Mighty Wurlitzer - Music For Movie-Palace Organs’ (1977).
16:9 1080p 24fps 21gb MKV - Black and White with technicolor sequence and tinted sequence – 01:17:13
Aspect ratio: 1.2:1
Audio: PCM stereo/mono
Now available on myspleen or pm me (click my user name and then select “create a private topic”) for a link.
Wait, is O Brother on Blu screwed up?! I didn’t know, it’s been ages since I watched it…
It’s got a whole new grade. Deakins supervised it and it looks good (and I think suites the photography better), but it has less of an aggressive sepia tone on the landscape, which is what O Brother was known for, being one of the first films graded entirely with a DI. It’s definitively worth preserving the DVD’s colors.
Hmmm, try in Firefox. I get a new html5 player unlike the flash one they’ve used for years.
For #1, the web interface scales with the size of the browser window. If you you make it really tall, the interface is outside the video, like so. You’d need to capture from a pc, and make sure that you still get the video’s full resolution (you should be able to with a 1080p monitor). These bits unfortunately would be scaled (it looks like earlier in this thread you figured out how to get the streams at native 480, which is real cool).
Hi, this edit aims to be an HD recreation of the directors cut. If you can only watch standard definition DVDs, then I would just recommend watching the commercially available Director’s edition DVD.
V3 of the purist edition is now available. Sample frames: https://imgur.com/a/ALontqP
README available here: https://pastebin.com/JXcJRYts
If you have already PM’d me in the past, your links should update.
This sounds very cool. I wish you luck in finding the Cantonese dub of this cut.
Hi, I’m in the process of compiling a v3 of the purist edition, which fixes another error I found and adds in some more shots in HD by compositing the SD changes over the DVD footage. This is now at a level of polish where I will be comfortable recommending it alongside the original version of my edit. Here are some sample frames: https://imgur.com/a/ALontqP
For this release of this project I have compiled four foreign dubs (Italian, French, Russian and German) and a host of subtitles from two different European dvd releases.
I still need the Spanish dub (which should be on the english region 2 dvd). If you have this dub, I would love to get a copy. Most of the subtitles are upscaled vobsubs and so they don’t have a great font. If anyone has proofread soft subs (srt/ass) of the director’s cut in their language, I would love a copy as well. I also welcome subtitles in any other language than what I have currently. I know there was a region 4 dvd, which should have different subs, and I also wonder if there was ever a release for Asian regions. Currently only some of the English subs are HD (I also made HD subs for the forced alien sub tracks, but they are in all caps on the DVD and I haven’t changed that yet as I might make errors with regards to how words are capitalized in those languages.) Here is what I have now:
Subtitles for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing (SDH) (English) (HD)
SDH (Alternate) (English)
Commentary in English, German, Spanish, French, Italian
Text commentary by Michael Okuda [eng] (English) (HD)
Text commentary by Michael Okuda in German, Spanish, French, Italian
Alien Forced Subtitles [ger] (German) (HD)
Alien Forced Subtitles [fre] (French) (HD)
Alien Forced Subtitles [ita] (Italian) (HD)
Norwegian [nor] (Norwegian Bokmål)
I took a look at this today. This is really great work, thanks for your impressive effort on these. There’s just ton of stuff to recreate, I can’t believe you’ve done it all in avisynth.
Thanks to Runner76 for finding a pretty large error in the purist edition (I had never actually proofed through all of it). I have made a v2 that fixes this error in addition to making more of the footage HD by compositing DVD footage over the HDTV footage. Anyone who has ever Pm’ed me on OT.com should have updated links in their inbox. If there are still errors, let me know.
I now watched the Purist cut and love it. But i found a scene where the Audio (Both 5.1 and 2.0 ) are async for one scene.
When Kirk is beamed to the Space Station from wich he is transported via shuttle to the Enterprise in spacedock, just after Kirk left the Transporter beam and askes Scotty why the transporters of the ship arent working, it starts to async.
Oh my god, that’s a huge error. I never actually proofed the purist ed, as I assumed the only areas I had to look at were the changes. Congrats on being the first person to watch it and report back I guess. I’ll have an updated version up soon.
Another problem i had, were the chapters. On my PC they are shown in my player and correctly Named.
However on my real BD Player i cant skip chapters at all !?
That’s probably just the BD player not recognizing a newer MKV function. You could try updating the player’s firmware or remuxing the file in an old version of MKVToolNix. Not much I can do.
OK…question…if it has the added shots that he described, why is the time exactly the same? (I know that one of them is a replacement as opposed to an addition) Just curious.
Both versions are in sync with the DC dvd (the editing is matched frame-by-frame). The added effects shots are in both versions. Replacement effects shots are sometimes only in the purist edition and the other version uses the HD theatrical version of the shot.
The audio would be great in the original dolby digital format. I would use MakeMKV to rip the dvd to a mkv (be sure to select all the audio tracks). You can then use MKVToolNix to deselect the video track in that MKV file and make a new .mka file with just the audio tracks. If it’s too much a pain to do don’t worry about it.
Yeah, I made a ‘purist’ version which has all the shots you want. It’s among the links I sent you.
EDIT: Thanks a lot. Is there a plan for adding other Language´s (German in my case)
It’s synced with the DC, so any subtitles should sync after a 25fps to 23.98fps conversion. Audio should sync similarly. If you could pm me copies of the German language content I could add it to later versions.
Sky_, I sent you a PM. Click the speech bubble in the upper right corner of the website to see your PMs.
Yeah, that’s intentional, (and why I call this a fanedit in the readme). I was more interested in the editing in the DC than the new effects, particularly when there were shots that already looked good in the theatrical version.
That being said, I just rendered out a “Purist Edition” that has most all of the changes (though they are limited to SD). People can PM me for a link if they are interested.