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#1575872
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Complete Comparison of Special Edition Visual Changes
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Thank you for all your work over the years on these. Always an invaluable reference.

Further thoughts:
TDE22.053879-Bee Recomp.png
Brightening this up reveals that they selectively colorgraded the workbee’s cargo to be grey rather than it’s original tan. (there’s a lot of selective coloring throughout, so I don’t know if you necessarily want to mention it, but it is a change that’s part of the recomp).

TDE22.074432-Shuttle Dock.png, TDE22.075171-Shuttle Leave.png
I might note the new layers they add to this recomp:
There’s a new red light layer over the nacelles. I am very confused on what this is meant to represent (light casting on them from inside the window?) but it looks intentional. The “warp sled” of Spock’s vessel is matted differently and has lost the steady running light on it (though the blinking lights are still present). There is also a new element meant to represent a reflection on the Enterprise’s window (it’s in front of the warp sled).


This is a recomp. (Hard to tell because of how dark they made it, but if you brighten it up, you can see the differences in how the the dry dock is aligned + the starfield is different).

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#1574843
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Complete Comparison of Special Edition Visual Changes
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Since I just finished my edit of Star Trek: The Motion Picture, I have a few notes and changes to add for your series of comparisons. I know this thread is for Star Wars, but since bluesky doesn’t have DMs, I didn’t want to send an unprompted thread your way over there.

TDE22.008847-Viewscreen.png
I don’t think this is a recomposite, as you don’t see any additional clarity to the live action. Rather, it’s a modification on top of the theatrical effect (you can see the borders of the view-screen altered if you brighten up the shot).

TDE22.014394-Klingon Reframe.png
“The explosion has much more detail thanks to the HDR pass”
Not really what’s happening (as this is an SDR image), it’s just that the colorgrade shows more highlight detail.

TDE22.148958-Kirk Catch.png
This shot is not recomposited (same exact frame geometry), it’s just that the smeary filter they run a lot of effects shots through in the theatrical master hits it really badly here.

TDE22.166347-Matte Lines.png
Also not recomposited, they stabilized the background to remove a jump that’s part of the theatrical effect and isolated the Enterprise to keep its motion on the original path (and removed the matte lines with a chroma-key).

TDE22.177879-Lightning.png
The color grading also brightens their faces a little when the lightening strikes.

TDE22.193901-Vger Ascend 0.png
Not recomposited, that’s all differences due to color grading.

As you’ve no doubt realized, they do a ton of changes via color grading and messing with Davinci Resolve throughout the film and cataloging every one would be an enormous and probably fruitless endeavor (my favorite, which I can’t find now, is an inexplicable one-frame replacement of Uhura’s finger). However, I feel the following differences change the reality of the frame and more substantially alter the mise-en-scene in the way the other changes do.


For these shots of Kirk, the DE selectively brightens his face (very awkwardly).


The DE removes the shadow of the lighting rig that falls on Chekhov. Comparison w/ the SLV (Tone-mapped and brightness matched with theatrical bluray).


This shot is also colorgraded to make the deflector dish amber.


The DE re-frames this shot to show all of the man on the left, taking advantage of the fact that section of the frame would be on the original negative (and which would have been matted out by the soundtrack portion of release prints). Comparison w/ the SLV.

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#1574491
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Star Trek: The Motion Picture - Director's Edition - The Anti-DNR Fanedit (Released)
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Enterprise

Background on the film

The original release date of “Star Trek: The Motion Picture” was on a tight schedule and what debuted in theaters in 1979 had many rough edges, most noticeably some essentially unfinished FX and a rough sound mix. Several important scenes were cut for time to accommodate often languid cutting for those scenes where effects were completed at the last minute.

The Director’s Edition of “Star Trek: The Motion Picture” premiered in 2001. It was conceived of by its producers, Daren R. Dochterman, Michael Matessino and David C. Fein, who were longtime Star Trek fans and collaborators with the film’s director, Robert Wise.

Robert Wise described the new cut in the liner notes of the original DVD: “Thanks once again to Paramount’s support, we have been able to complete the film as “The Director’s Edition.” In addition to finding a new, and I feel, proper editorial balance for the film, we have also completed those effects shots and scenes which we had to abort in 1979, and have given the film a proper final sound mix. It has been an opportunity which I never believed would happen, and one for which I am grateful beyond words.”

The 2001 version was completed in SD, with new effect work by Foundation Imaging. Robert Wise closely supervised the film’s cutting, while letting the producers more freely tweak the film’s effects. While the 2001 effects cut in fairly successfully with the SD transfer of the film, the fact that it had not been budgeted for an HD master in 2001 limited it to a DVD release. After years of lobbying Paramount, the DE’s producers successfully got a greenlight to recreate the edit in HD/4K, working from the most recent 4K remaster of the film that Paramount completed in 2021. Robert Wise passed away in 2005, so this version of the DE was supervised by the producers who kept very close to the 2001 edit, but continued to freely tweak the film’s FX. Given their respect for Wise, it’s clear they feel these additional changes are within their remit: working from what Wise originally oversaw in 2001.

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My Fanedit

I strongly feel that the Director’s Edition of “Star Trek: The Motion Picture” is the best version, giving it a necessary final editing pass and finished sound mix. However, the PQ on the 2022 DE is unfortunately quite inconsistent: most noticeably much of the film has been subjected to ugly, aggressive digital noise reduction. The new effects work is also very inconsistent, more understandably so considering their (lack of) resources, but some of it shouldn’t have been released as is if they couldn’t improve on what they had.

My fanedit syncs all the live action footage from the theatrical 4K master to the DE, eliminating as much obtrusive DNR as possible as well as the often revisionist and wonky color grading used for the DE. It also uses the new effects when needed, but prefers the original theatrical unaltered effects when I felt they were already fully realized. (This is a guideline that is not always strictly followed, both out of necessity as well as personal preference: for example I prefer, and have used, the new matte work on Vulcan). Further work (color-grading, further edits, added grain) has been done to hopefully meld this all together as best it can be. If you are familiar with my old effort to bring the 2001 edit to HD, this follows a similar philosophy.

Video Sources

This edit was completed in 1080p SDR as I do not have the ability to grade or monitor in HDR or 4K.

I worked from these sources:
2021 Theatrical Blu-ray (4K remaster).
2022 “Special Longer Version” UHD (the same 4K master, which I tone-mapped to SDR and matched its brightness with the 2021 Blu-ray).
2022 Director’s Edition Blu-ray

The theatrical/SLV master has generally nice quality live action footage, while the DE’s live action footage is often aggressively de-noised and features a very revisionist and awkward color grade (frequent use/abuse of power windows and such). The effects footage for both masters is very problematic. The theatrical master often uses a filter that smears all the frames of a shot together, which ruins detail for fast motion, while the DE uses a more traditional, though no less aggressive, temporal noise reduction method combined with sharpening. This often has less fine detail overall but retains detail much better on motion. I tend to prefer the theatrical master for slow-moving model shots as it often looks more natural, while using the DE for fast-moving shots and composite shots with live-action (which are often extremely smeary on the theatrical master). However, this is far from consistent, and many shots do not offer a good option and leave you picking the least bad option or compositing the shots together in various ways to try and minimize the flaws of each source.

Sample Frames and Release Details

Linked below is a general overview of the picture quality as well as some of my changes compared with the DE. This does not cover many of the changes made: nearly every shot is different from the DE, since most of the live action footage has been swapped out for the theatrical master with the special effects reviewed on a per-shot basis. I have also made further adjustments to many, many shots.
Sample frames: https://imgur.com/a/Cq8hwwu

Video: 1080p MKV - 30 GB
Both the video and audio are BD-compliant if you want to remux this for a Blu-ray. This edit runs in sync with the 2022 Director’s Edition and you can mux in any audio or subtitles that sync to it. Please support the official release and purchase the official blu-ray or UHD.

Audio:

  1. TrueHD 8ch / Atmos Track [eng]
  2. Dolby AC3 6ch / Compatibility Track [eng]
  3. Dolby AC3 stereo / Commentary with David C. Fein, Michael Matessino and Daren R. Dochterman [eng]
  4. Dolby AC3 stereo / Commentary with Robert Wise, Stephen Collins, Jerry Goldsmith, Douglas Trumbull and John Dykstra [eng]
  5. Dolby AC3 stereo / Isolated Score

Subtitles:

  1. Forced Alien Subtitles - Theatrical “Translation” / These follow the original 1979 subtitles for alien languages with the original typeface. The DE had edited this in an attempt to further obscure that the actors were originally speaking English on set, but I’ve always found it to be too awkward.
  2. Forced Alien Subtitles - DE “Translation” / Direct from the DE Blu-ray
  3. English Subtitles
  4. SDH English Subtitles
  5. Commentary with David C. Fein, Michael Matessino and Daren R. Dochterman
  6. Commentary with Robert Wise, Stephen Collins, Jerry Goldsmith, Douglas Trumbull and John Dykstra
  7. Text commentary by Michael and Denise Okuda
    Also included are an array of subtitles in multiple languages from the official release of the DE.

Now available! PM me (click my user name and then select “start a private topic”). Also on myspleen.

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#1564335
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Duel (1971) - The Hybrid Cut (Version 2) (Released)
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I thought I could retire (or make a new version) this project given that the new UHD advertises the TV cut in 4:3 HD as an extra. What they have put on that disc, however, is an old SD TV master with horrific machine learning upscaling (now often termed AI upscaling). Like it’s baaaaaad. Some of the worst video quality I’ve ever seen. All the NSTC artifacts like rainbowing, haloing and aliasing are being warped into atrocious “fake detail” by whatever tool they rammed it though. I also think they might have deinterlaced it poorly to start, but it’s been damaged so much by this process it’s hard to tell. It’s probably the worst looking blu-ray I’ve ever seen. The audio will probably be nicer than the existing rips I have, but this is so terribly disappointing considering I’d have been happy for them to just put the TV cut in SD on disc.

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#1508475
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Star Trek: The Motion Picture - Director's Edition HD Recreation (V3 Now Available.) (Released)
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While I certainly appreciate everyone’s enthusiasm for the film, it’s probably time to make a separate thread for any different project you are working on.

For my part, I will be doing my own fanedit of the new master as detailed here:
https://fanrestore.com/thread-1745-post-83136.html#pid83136
I bought the UHD and was extremely disappointed to discover it had a bunch of DNR all over it. No timeline on this (probably not any time soon), but it will happen at some point.

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#1501881
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Ideas Wanted: for my 'Legend: Expanded Goldsmith Edition (HD)' cut...
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I actually just recently watched the Arrow release of this for the first time and was reminded of this project. I’m really happy to see you are working on on it again!
Knowing the DC has a pasted together audio track I opted for the US theatrical cut and while the Tangerine Dream score is perfectly fine, that hall of columns clip you posted is fantastic.

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#1495290
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Star Trek: The Motion Picture - Director's Edition HD Recreation (V3 Now Available.) (Released)
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The Probert concept was for a grand officer lounge:

Probert

(as seen in the final film here when Spock’s shuttle approaches):

TMP

They had to scrap this as they were behind on budget and time.

Both DC changes (first adding the nacelles and then adding this backdrop) are at attempt to bring this to the film.
Both attempts unfortunately look very poor and they should have just avoided doing so (the added nacelles screw with the visual weight of the frame, and the attempt to blow out the wall looks amateurish). This video is a decent illustration of what they are conceptually going for, though:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PU1-crmRpCc

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#1494894
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Star Trek: The Motion Picture - Director's Edition HD Recreation (V3 Now Available.) (Released)
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Fullmetaled said:

I meant in regards to the effects that had no work done on them a look bad getting fixed. I can’t talk about the quality of the movie because I never seen any of og Star Trek same goes for most of Star Trek the next generation.

Not that I disagree with the notion that some of the effects work on this doesn’t look great, but why exactly are you invested in this without having seen the film, lol?

I would strongly recommend watching “the Motion Picture” when it releases on disc. The vintage effects work is stunning, and while others will point to Khan as more emblematic of the relationships at the core of Trek (and I probably agree), I find that TMP’s serious take on high concept sci-fi makes for easily the best Star Trek film. This is particularly with the final (and very necessary) pass on the editing and sound design the director’s edition offers. And outside of the context of Trek, what I think often gets dismissed as middlebrow space fare genuinely deserves a place among Wise’s best efforts.

The fact we have this in UHD, even with its (expected) shortcomings is fantastic and I recommend you give it a shot (the rotowork is bad, but it goes by in a minute 😉 ).

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#1477204
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Star Trek: The Motion Picture - Director's Edition HD Recreation (V3 Now Available.) (Released)
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We finally have a release date for the new 4K/HD master of Star Trek: The Motion Picture - The Director’s Edition, releasing April 5th on Paramount+ with a disc release later in the year! Produced by the orignal team, this release is very exciting, and I can hardly wait. Obviously the new master will have different creative decisions with regards to how best update the old CGI, (from the trailer, some of it very nice and some is quite iffy) but irregardless, the general quality of the new edition should thoroughly exceed my old fanedit and will be the one to watch. This project will still remain up for posterity, but for first-time viewing, I will direct you to what hopefully will be the definitive edition of Star Trek: The Motion Picture.

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#1373823
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Star Trek: The Motion Picture - Director's Edition HD Recreation (V3 Now Available.) (Released)
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There’s just far too much artifacting there. It may look superficially sharper at a glance, but the detail it’s faking is both uncanny (look at the poor guy’s octopus arm in the lower left) and unfilmic (look at the weird gird pattern it put over everything because it confused MPEG compression for part of the scene). These problems are universal to all machine learning “AI” tools: they are not suited to restoration or archival work. Not to mention half of this plate is (a very outdated) HD scan already, so it’s not even increasing the resolution, just doing odd things to it.

If you want better-looking images, you need a better source. It’s that simple; there’s no magic shortcut you can take. I really hope Paramount greenlights a 4K restoration of this film, because that’s the only way we will get it in the quality it deserves.

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#1362969
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Roy Budd's Score to The Phantom of the Opera (1929) 1080p HD (Released)
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Overview:
Roy Budd was a British jazz pianist and composer best known for his film scores, including Get Carter and The Wild Geese. In 1993, Roy Budd composed a symphonic score for the 1929 version of the 1925 silent film The Phantom of the Opera, realizing a long-held dream. Unfortunately, his abrupt death prevented the score from being heard, until it was recently released on CD and DVD in conjunction with a premiere of the score at the London Coliseum.
The DVD uses a version of the score recorded in the mid-nineties, and the picture is a low quality telecine prepared for that release. This version syncs the score to an HD picture. This updated version of my first effort improves the picture quality further (utilizing the latest HD image I’ve prepared for Phantom) while adding tinting inspired by the tints used on the Roy Budd DVD.
The film largely plays at 22 frames second within a more standard 60fps file and is synced to the score as it appears on the DVD.

Video: 1080p 60fps 16gb MKV - Tinted black and white with technicolor sequence – 01:25:55
Aspect ratio: 1.2:1
Audio: Untouched Dolby Digital from the DVD (there are brief dropouts, but those are on the DVD)

Extras:
Producer Euan Lloyd in discussion about Roy Budd’s score to the Phantom of the Opera (I’ve edited together two interviews available on Roy Budd’s website)
BBC 1 story
Trailers
From the DVD:
Interview with Get Carter director Mike Hodges
Roy Budd playing piano with the Roy Budd Trio at the 1983 Bob Hope Gala

Screencaps:
https://imgur.com/a/jIAipzh

Video technical notes:
This release largely uses the image from my previous rare scores collection (with some small fixes) while added tinting inspired by the tints used on the Roy Budd DVD. I’ve added some additional tints to scenes to keep things varied.

As the various home media releases of Phantom have differing levels of quality, this edit uses the Kino, Image, and BFI blu-rays for greatest picture quality.

  • The Image and Kino blurays use the same underlying master. The Kino master is a much better encode with a better grain structure, but inadvertently crushes the black levels of some scenes while trying improve the look of the tinting. It also has various small editing and sync errors, mostly introduced while trying to fix splice marks. I created a composite by syncing the two together and overlaying the mid-tones and highlights from the Kino disk over the shadow detail from the Image disk. This helped me preserve shadow detail while correcting sync errors. The resulting picture is somewhat softer than the Kino disk, while still looking much better than the Image disk. This affords a good look to the film with less problems than the Kino or Image presentations on their own and in my mind is the best option outside of evaluating the picture on a shot-to-shot basis.

  • The opening of the film through Carlotta speaking to the owners is taken from the BFI bluray, as it digitally removes the troublesome hair that wiggles all around the gate. Because the BFI bluray runs at 24fps and uses frame duplication to sync to it’s soundtrack, I had to use a decimate filter and then carefully match the footage frame by frame to the Image/Kino source to ensure there were no frames missing.

  • Some shots in the cellars were taken from the newly discovered sound reel of Phantom on the BFI disc. It lacked the damage in the other 35mm copy.

  • Bal masque sequence: The BFI bluray has poor coloration. The Kino Bluray and 24fps Image bluray has frame blending from an incorrect frame rate conversion. I took the interlaced 20fps Image bluray and deinterlaced it, eliminating as many blended field frames as possible.

  • Rooftop scene: The shots of Christine and Raoul come from the BFI bluray (better detail), with color correction to fix the rather poor tinting. The shots of the Phantom come from the Kino disc (better detail than the BFI, which uses a copy taken from an earlier Channel 4 restoration).

  • Finale: The Kino Bluray and 24fps Image bluray again have frame blending from an incorrect frame rate conversion. The BFI bluray is tinted so strongly here as to be indiscernible. Even color correction shows that there is no detail to regain. I took the interlaced 20fps Image blu-ray and deinterlaced it, eliminating as many blended field frames as possible. This results in a rather soft look with lots of dirt (the interlaced master had no computer restoration done on it), but it’s the best the sequence has ever looked on home media.

Pm me for a link or available on myspleen.

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#1351769
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Star Trek: The Motion Picture - Director's Edition HD Recreation (V3 Now Available.) (Released)
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matel28 said:

EDIT: I sent you a PM, but it’s not showing up in my private topics section (my private messages with others are though). I sent it again but that’s not not showing up either. Figured I’d let you know in case there’s some issue with the website.

I sent you a reply to your 2nd pm, let me know if you haven’t received it.

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#1351754
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Star Trek: The Motion Picture - Director's Edition HD Recreation (V3 Now Available.) (Released)
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DarthVader1981 said:
But some scene are not of the Director’s Cut. In the scene of kirk, spock and McCoy in the officers Lounge from the windows there’isnt the Warp Nacelle. When the Enterprise came in the V-Ger Location the scene is from the Teatrical Edition, not of the Director’s.

There are two versions of this, the purist edition has the further DVD effects you want. I will pm you the links.

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#1349843
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Star Trek: The Motion Picture - Director's Edition HD Recreation (V3 Now Available.) (Released)
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I see that account has already been banned for being rude and spamming, but I found the comment funny. I include subtitles for this project (in multiple languages) and I certainly don’t mind it being on public trackers: I want as many people to enjoy it as possible. The problem is no one seeds stuff like this on public trackers anymore.