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I’d say this, but they’d probably give him a stupid Sith name like Darth Apostateus in the process.
I have very nice hands.
“Find the well! It’s the passage to Hell! Cover it!”
Where do you think they’ll try to put 3PO and R2?
On top of a pile of money, with many beautiful ladies.
A nine-film crossover between the SW Universe, the MCU, and the Mickey Mouse Universe.
I have an easy enough time divorcing actors from their characters, so this news won’t impede my ability to watch TOS or the TOS movies in the future. Regardless, it’s not nice hearing this about Takei. I liked him; he seemed like a good man.
To be blunt, I think you’re trolling us.
Not this again. I got the same response when I proposed remaking the First and Second Doctor adventures from Doctor Who. Granted, in retrospective, it was a pretty terrible idea, but still.
Believe me, I don’t like calling people trolls right off the bat. Too many people throw the word around on the Internet just 'cause someone has an opinion they don’t like.
Anyway, back to SW, I guess if you think ghosts can shapeshift, that’s fine. There’s no way I can prove otherwise.
That’s all you had to say in the first place.
I guess if we’re just seeing what Luke sees based on his own expectations, he could’ve been what Luke figured Anakin looked like before the lava incident. However, I find it hard to believe Luke would never have seen actual pictures of him, so him just looking the way Luke expects would actually make Hayden an even more appropriate choice, since Luke would probably be oblivious to all the Tuskens, younglings, and other people he killed in that form.
I don’t agree with your opinion, but I can respect it. I take back the “troll” remark.
Also, I think Anakin Starkiller is feigning ignorance. No one can be this dense.
What’s this supposed to mean?
You want an explanation?
Hayden as Anakin’s ghost. It doesn’t make sense for him to appear as an unscarred Shaw because he never looked like that.
Doesn’t make sense for Jacob Marley to appear in chains because he never looked like that.
Doesn’t make sense for Johnny Bartlett to appear as Death because he never looked like that.
Doesn’t make sense for whoever-the-hell-she-was to appear as whatever-the-hell-this-is because she never looked like that.
Doesn’t make sense for the Maitlands to appear as stretch-faced monsters because they never looked like that.
They’re ghosts. Ghosts can appear however the hell they want to appear.
Those are from other movies. Different rules apply.
Whom says?
Funny how nobody – absolutely nobody – complained about Shaw-as-Anakin not making any sense/being confusing until the Hayden change was introduced.
Because up until a year a two before he was added, nobody knew what a young Anakin looked like. It’s a retroactive plot hole, but an inevitable one, when making the Prequels.
Again I dont get what him looking like when he was younger has to do with him choosing to appear as his older self in the Force. Just because he never appeared as an unscarred old man before dying means he can’t appear so after he dies?? Why not?? Are there rules about what forms those in the afterlife, or Force rather, can take form of once they die?? Dracula can take form of a wolf yet I’m sure he wasn’t as such before he became one of the undead. And don’t give me the whole ‘thats another movie/story’ argument. Also who’s to say Anakin didn’t choose to appear as an unscarred old gent so Luke could have a better representation of the man he saw behind the mask?? If you can give proof that these rules about what one can take form of in the Force are real then fine but until then I don’t see where your implications that this change was inevitable are coming from.
You never did back up your bold assertion that Force ghosts can’t shapeshift. You didn’t provide any quotes from the films, or from Lucas, or even from the EU which falsifys shapeshifting as a potential Force ghost ability. You instead ignored us both and continued on your merry way. And then there’s Val’s recent comment.
If Shaw is used, this is the only version Luke would recognize:
He would recognise him more than some mop haired kid that just appears. Just a couple of scars and no hair doesn’t make him unrecognisable at all. Information is not easily available under the oppression of a regime like the Empire. He couldn’t just look up information about his father. The Emperor would have suppressed all of that. If it was so easy for Luke to look up info on his father, then it wouldn’t have been too hard for him to discover that he became Vader.
Anakin appearing as his younger self is ridiculous. So, one of the most evil men in the galaxy can suddenly return to his youth, while the other two jedi have to remain their older selves? And the fan theories about how he returns to his form when he was last a good man is also ridiculous. Not only is he NOT a good man on the light side of the force when he looked like that, ( He had already begun on the path to the dark side, He had, after all, slaughtered a whole village of Tuskens, including the women and children, out of anger long before he looked like that), but that also completely destroys the whole redemption arc of ROTJ. Anakin turns back to the light side prior to his death. Him becoming a force ghost originally symbolised that. Before the rubbish that they had to learn it, which Anakin had no knowledge of, so couldn’t have become a force ghost. God, the prequels screwed so much up in the OT
Spot on Ady.
The prevailing argument in this thread for having a Hayden ghost (or more accurately, a Hayden head 😉 ) seems to just be so that he is instantly recognisable from the PT for the sake of the audience and f**k any considerations of logic and consistency for the sake of the story and character in the actual movie being viewed at the time.
Yet it’s a significantly smaller leap of logic to accept the Shaw ghost as Anakin Skywalker and understand that Luke recognises him as Anakin since we both only just saw the very same actor / character not a few minutes earlier and seeing a new force ghost appear (Shaw’s) that we’ve never seen before, right after we know a master of the force just recently returned to the light side (we never see any dark side force ghosts) and died who is now standing beside Ben and Yoda, pretty much screams that it’s obviously Anakin and the fact he doesn’t look that close to Hayden is just something the audience has to swallow in the knowledge that these movies were made 28 YEARS apart.
The leap in logic to accept young Hayden as old Anakin in contrast to what is already established at this point as to how Jedi masters appear as force ghosts is just to big in comparison and no explanation is given to help bridge it, so it’s left to the audience to come up with their own explanations of which there are numerous that often clash with each other instead of everyone having the same common understanding from having previously already witnessed the lore that is actually established throughout the 3 movies.
It’s basically just a massive retcon that George throws in there to try and tie in the PT more with the OT but which fails from the outset, serving only instead to spit on the original movie, the original actor and the fans that already loved the movie and didn’t want to see such an intrusive and illogical change on their memories of it.
.Val
A perfectly cogent argument. Your response?
it’s a significantly smaller leap of logic to accept the Shaw ghost as Anakin Skywalker
I don’t see how it makes more sense for him to appear in a form he never had than one he did.
You blithely ignored his points as if he hadn’t made them at all.
Here’s what I’ve observed from you thus far: You avoid engaging with anyone’s argument in full – addressing only cherry-picked fragments – and then act oblivious, as if no one provided you with solid reasoning for their POV.
To be blunt, I think you’re trolling us.
Fucking disgusting.
“Take the Bible. Zachariah and Elizabeth for instance. Zachariah was extremely old to marry Elizabeth and they became the parents of John the Baptist,” Ziegler said choosing his words carefully before invoking Christ. “Also take Joseph and Mary. Mary was a teenager and Joseph was an adult carpenter. They became parents of Jesus.”
“There’s just nothing immoral or illegal here,” Ziegler concluded. “Maybe just a little bit unusual.”
To compare Mary and Joseph to what Roy Moore, offends me as Christian.
The auditor obviously does not believe in the Bible. If he did, he would not call Mary and Joseph the parents of Jesus. Mary is a parent of Jesus, Joseph is not. Joseph is merely married to his mother.
- Also, he’s defending a pedophiliac.
I agree with Handman and Ric.
Zazeron the serpent AKA Lord Tobias is outta here.
I’m truly amazed by these socks. They’re so lazy.
Literally one of the first things Disney said upon acquiring Lucasfilm just over five years ago was that the Star Wars universe has “over 25,000 years of history.”
This would only lend more credence to someone’s theory upthread about Rian’s trilogy being about the origins of the Jedi, which is pretty much exactly what I’ve been wanting them to do.
Everything must be explained. Nothing can be left up to the individual’s imagination. And it’s all canon, CANON, CANON.
If this trilogy has anything to do with the origins of the Jedi/Sith, I’m out. I’m sick of this crap.
good…dont let the door hit you on your way out 😃
If it weren’t for the smiley, I’d be 100% certain you’re a sock of Lord Tobias instead of just 90%.
Chicken nuggets.
KIM WILDE: CATCH AS CATCH CAN
TRACK RATINGS:
ALBUM RATING: 7/10
ALBUM COVER RATING: 7/10
PIXIES: DOOLITTLE
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MATTHEW GOOD BAND: RAYGUN
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DAVID BOWIE: SCARY MONSTERS
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/thread
But that’s from other movies. Different rules apply.
Literally one of the first things Disney said upon acquiring Lucasfilm just over five years ago was that the Star Wars universe has “over 25,000 years of history.”
This would only lend more credence to someone’s theory upthread about Rian’s trilogy being about the origins of the Jedi, which is pretty much exactly what I’ve been wanting them to do.
Everything must be explained. Nothing can be left up to the individual’s imagination. And it’s all canon, CANON, CANON.
If this trilogy has anything to do with the origins of the Jedi/Sith, I’m out. I’m sick of this crap.
I sometimes wonder what became of this guy. He wasn’t here long, but I kinda liked him; he was like a more grown-up Spuffy.
Alderaan’s still banned. I guess that means he’s joined Haseo in permanent exile.
Can his avatar be changed to that debris field, now?
But were they everyday days?
“I got into avant-garde movies and Surrealism as an escape from reality. There’s nothing Surrealistic about everyday life. To me, Surrealism is totally artificial.”
– Black Francis
Are you ex*sigh*table?
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Are you ex*sigh*table?
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Are you ex*sigh*table?
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Are you ex*sigh*table?
Also, I think Anakin Starkiller is feigning ignorance. No one can be this dense.
