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- #1239723
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- Your Daily Dose of WTF
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1239723/action/topic#1239723
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DuracellEnergizer
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- #1239645
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- Favorite abridged Star Wars series?
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1239645/action/topic#1239645
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I find absurdism gets old quite fast.
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- #1239635
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- Terrible DVD/Blu-ray Cover Art
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1239635/action/topic#1239635
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They least they could’ve done was apply a filter to the original poster so it blends with the painting.
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- #1239634
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- Favorite abridged Star Wars series?
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1239634/action/topic#1239634
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Bad Lip Reading does what it says on the tin, which amounts to an unfunny alphabet soup of random words. It’s only good when they’ve got a nice tune to go along with it.
It’s quite evident you haven’t embraced the absurd side of the Force.
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- #1239633
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- Return of the Jedi - your opinion?
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1239633/action/topic#1239633
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If Vader and Palpatine knew they intended to replace one another, then why all the song and dance about recruiting Luke? Why didn’t Vader just let Luke kill Palpatine in that first instance?
This is something I have also been thinking about lately. I think Vader and Palpatine always knew that they would both want to use Luke to take out the other, but they both didn’t necessarily want to reveal their hand either. For them, it’s like playing a game of chess.
And while I don’t think either of them ever had the intention of ruling the Empire as a triumvirate, even with the existence of the Rule of Two, it hasn’t stopped the Sith from having dark side acolytes before, such as Ventress or the Inquisitors.
But I think after Luke chose death over joining Vader in ESB, Vader no longer believed he could turn Luke on his own. He needed the Emperor, and the Emperor says as much in his first scene with Vader in ROTJ.
And I think Vader’s extreme loyalty to the Emperor in ROTJ is partly because he may not want to reveal his intentions while the Emperor might be close enough to easily sense them. On the other hand, it may just simply be that Luke’s decision to fall to his death over joining his father may have affected Vader’s own confidence in his power. Maybe at this point Vader truly feels what he says about the Emperor, especially after being his servant for so many years, and the events at the end of ESB set him back into that mindset.
But my question, like you brought up, is why didn’t Vader just let Luke kill the Emperor when Luke took that first swing at him? I mean, the Emperor even says that if he killed him, his journey toward the darkside would be complete. My only guess is that Vader knew that it would require more than that to turn Luke, and the Emperor was just toying with him in order for him to initiate aggressive combat. Luke really needed to see that the darkside was power, and he wasn’t there yet.
You’re right - I guess there’s no reason the ‘rule of two’ can’t accomodate the occasional third wheel! I just think it’s a shame Lucas made it so blatant. It detracts from the obvious but still terrifying idea that Palpatine intended for Luke to replace Vader all along. But I like your assessment of the whole situation.
I guess my beef is that there’s no subtlety in any of this. We praise Luke for resisting the Dark Side, but it’s not such a big deal when the bad guy is repeating “yes, yes, turn to the dark Side, good, good”. Similarly with Vader, Palps spends the whole exercise taunting the guy and saying “see? He will never be turned, it’s too late for him” before stating outright that Vader’s job is up for grabs. I mean what was Vader going to do once Luke was dead? “So, uh, all that stuff about replacing me? You didn’t actually mean that…did you?”…
It would have been so cool if all of this had been more like the prequel temptation - with Palpatine offering Luke power and an end to war in exchange for total allegiance. Vader would be trying to get Luke on his side and seize power as well (before his change of heart). The whole ‘just make Luke angry’ thing is so disappointing to me. If the Dark Side really is as simple as ‘don’t get mad’, then Jedi in any form are a liability and shouldn’t be encouraged! Jake Skywalker might not have been so wrong…
Anger is the quickest path to the dark side so making Luke angry was just a short cut. Neither Vader nor Palpatine knew that Luke had been trained by Yoda.
Simplistic moralizing at its “finest”.
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- #1239569
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- Awesome Cover/Poster Art
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1239569/action/topic#1239569
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- #1239442
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- Last movie seen
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1239442/action/topic#1239442
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The first scripts I ever wrote were for a blatant Friday the 13th ripoff featuring a hockey masked Jason knockoff and an Evil Dead sequel which that was an uninspired Evil Dead II rehash. I like to think I’ve improved as a writer since then.
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- #1239424
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- Share your good news!
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1239424/action/topic#1239424
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The kitten who was injured last week has made an astonishing recovery. He’s back on his feet and walking, even running. His gait’s unsteady, but he’s clearly not paralyzed.
I truly thought he was a goner. I’ve had two cats in the past die within a day of similar injuries, and they were both full-grown adults.
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- #1239422
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- What Have You Been Eating?
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1239422/action/topic#1239422
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I ate too much pizza.
(FYI, it was cooked, then frozen, had extra toppings applied by moi, then cooked again.)
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- #1239421
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- Lurkers Name suggestions (Come On Lurkers JOIN IN!)
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1239421/action/topic#1239421
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- #1239287
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- The Tex Murphy Thread - aka the thread for discussing avatar changes
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1239287/action/topic#1239287
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- #1239285
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- The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1239285/action/topic#1239285
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I don’t like that tone of yours, Anakin.
I see you’ve met AniStar.
[JEDIT]
Say, I think that’d make a good signature.
[RETURN OF THE JEDIT]
On second thought, nah.
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- #1239272
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- Going away? Post so here!
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1239272/action/topic#1239272
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Don’t drink in the pouring rain after having walked 5 miles in the heat and sun for hours when you haven’t eaten all day, kids.
I hate the heat and the sun, so I’m safe.
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- #1239180
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- Random Thoughts
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1239180/action/topic#1239180
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Tonight I learned watching videos of people exploring abandoned homes leaves me with motion sickness.
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- #1239127
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- The Last Son of Krypton (Season One)
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1239127/action/topic#1239127
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I made further revisions to the beginning. Kara & Clark are now part of a larger (and largely unsuccessful) Kryptonian exodus. The reasons for this change will be revealed later.
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- #1239068
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- If you need to B*tch about something... this is the place
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1239068/action/topic#1239068
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- #1239067
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- If you need to B*tch about something... this is the place
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1239067/action/topic#1239067
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- #1239066
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- If you need to B*tch about something... this is the place
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1239066/action/topic#1239066
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- #1239044
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- If you need to B*tch about something... this is the place
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1239044/action/topic#1239044
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It’s so unfun, the message needed to be posted thrice.
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- #1239038
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- Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1239038/action/topic#1239038
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I love this thread the way only a father could love his child (even if said child was a psychopath completely and utterly incapable of sympathy & empathy).
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- #1239021
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- The misquote random thought out of context thread.
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1239021/action/topic#1239021
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Funny how Spielberg and Lucas both supposedly directed Ghost.
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- #1238890
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- What's the Weather Like Where You Live?
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1238890/action/topic#1238890
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It just went from 90s to 50s over the course of a few days. 😦
(I hope it’s obvious that it’s Fahrenheit, not Celsius)
I thought you were talking about decades. 😉
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- #1238889
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- Doctor Who
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1238889/action/topic#1238889
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Mr. Men book?
Gay porn magazine. Duh.
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- #1238835
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- Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1238835/action/topic#1238835
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*supersighize me*
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- #1238821
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- Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1238821/action/topic#1238821
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Yeah, the JWs in general don’t have “tact” or “respect” as part of their vocabulary.