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#703005
Topic
All Things Star Trek
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SilverWook said:

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Course:_Oblivion_%28episode%29

Don't forger the Quantum Duplicate Voyager crew who all died, except for two.

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Deadlock_%28episode%29

I think Voyager set a record for the number of times we saw the crew die!

I'm sure there's a more depressing hour of Trek, but I'm repressing the memory at the moment. The TNG one where Lwaxana Troi falls in love with Major Winchester, whose culture demands ritual suicide was a real downer though.

 Thanks,that was bugging me all night.

There may be more depressing episodes(The one where Kira finds out that the man they are holding for war crimes was just a guilt ridden clerk only to see him stabbed to death moments latter comes to mind)but there is just something about watching an episode that's only point seems to be "Life is a bitch and fighting against death is pointless" that sticks in my mind. The whole episode is nothing more then a snuff film.

You know for all the talk of Ds9 not matching Gene's vision of the future at least on that show the war was resolved and millions of lives were saved by Odo talking to his people. Voyager on the other hand it seemed like if we were not watching the crew die only to come back to life we were watching them solve all of their problems by blowing things up. Even the problem of how to get home was solved that way. It seems to me Voyager is at least as far from the vision of a peaceful future as DS9 was.

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#702944
Topic
All Things Star Trek
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Hey does anyone remember the name of that Voyager episode that was basically a snuff film where we watched duplicates of the crew die for an hour and it turned out to be the most depressing hour of Trek ever?

I don't know why but I started thinking about how much i hated that episode and it just dawned on me that I have no idea what it's name is.  Thanks.

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#702800
Topic
All Things Star Trek
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I noticed that on some early HD shows at the time.  I am not sure what is going on but I think it is something that happened when people who were use to shooting on film made the switch to digital HD without much training. You are right everything including effects shots looks a little off.  Sorry I have no idea what is going on but I think I know why it happened.  You had a bunch of people who were used to working one way being forced to learn how to work another way on the fly and that can lead to a few hick ups along the way.

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#702760
Topic
All Things Star Trek
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Mike O said:

DrCrowTStarwars said:

Yeah that is what killed Voyager for me. I could have put up with some of the stupid stuff but when a show seems to forget what it's own premise is from week to week,then it loses me.  They never ran out of shuttles,or people,and no matter what went wrong it was always fixed next week. For a show that was supposed to be about being out on the edge and not having any back up they sure did play it safe.  That is just sad. Voyager could have been the best Star Trek series and instead it is the only one I can not stand. Yes you read that right. There are parts of Enterprise that I like but Voyager's forgetfulness of it's own basic premise pushes it over the top for me.

If it were not for Holo Doc I don't think I could have stuck with it for seven years.

 A friend of mine pointed out that the premise Voyager initially promised is actually more like what BSG eventually became: dark, ragtag ship on the run, etc. Is the new BSG series any good, by the way? It's up on Netflix, I'm curious. 

 Yes it is.  I don't think it is the best sci-fi series of all time(I think they some times fell into the trap of making things dark for no other reason then making them dark and there were some soap opera elements in the latter seasons I didn't care for)but it is still a very good show and right off the bat I said to myself "This is the show Voyager should have been." There is a ton of good in the show(Even if some of the plot elements don't make sense) and I would say that everyone who is a sci-fi fan should give it a shot. Be warned it is a little like Lost in that nothing was planed from the start(You know I am starting to think B5 was the only sci-fi show that's plot arc was planed in any detail)so there are a few things that are never completely explained or when they are explained seem a little silly.  Still if you can over look that I would say watch it.  It is a very well done show and is very close to how Voyager should have been done. Check it out.

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#702608
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Last movie seen
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doubleofive said:

DrCrowTStarwars said:



doubleofive said:


DuracellEnergizer said:

Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home (1986)

It may not work well as the conclusion to the storyline of TWOK & TSFS -- and the whole "sound travelling through space" thing may really bug me -- but I just can't find it in me to dislike this movie.

8/10


Ok, how about this: the Gay Probe isn't sending sound through space because sound wouldn't affect all ship systems like it does. It's an energy pulse that travels through space that can disable ships, but once it hit's earth's oceans is creates vibrations to make a sound like certain mammals.


 Are you saying that isn't what was happening in the movie?  Because if you are you just blew my mind because I have always just assumed the energy pulse thing was what was going on.  I never thought it was sound traveling through space.

I'm pretty sure that's supposed to be what's going on, represented by the audience hearing sound.

 Well same here.  I first saw the movie when I was seven and even at that age I didn't see how sound could travel through space so I didn't think it was.

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#702605
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Last movie seen
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doubleofive said:

DuracellEnergizer said:


Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home (1986)

It may not work well as the conclusion to the storyline of TWOK & TSFS -- and the whole "sound travelling through space" thing may really bug me -- but I just can't find it in me to dislike this movie.

8/10

Ok, how about this: the Gay Probe isn't sending sound through space because sound wouldn't affect all ship systems like it does. It's an energy pulse that travels through space that can disable ships, but once it hit's earth's oceans is creates vibrations to make a sound like certain mammals.

 Are you saying that isn't what was happening in the movie?  Because if you are you just blew my mind because I have always just assumed the energy pulse thing was what was going on.  I never thought it was sound traveling through space.

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#702558
Topic
All Things Star Trek
Time

Sadako said:

If Janeway had originally been the First Officer and chief Science Officer (and had thus worn Science Blue for the entire series), and the original captain had been killed in the series premier and then she had to be acting captain, I don't think I would mind Janeway's horrible command style as much.

If 'Janeway is a Science Officer who had the command of an imperiled vessel thrust upon her; now she must learn the ropes of being a captain while trying to get her vessel and crew home safely' had been the basis of her character arc, then her lack of tact and horrible screw-ups would be expected--she's learning. As a Science Officer, she wouldn't be expected to be a tactful diplomat with advanced training in first contact scenarios or negotiating with a hostile party.

 Yes and what is more it would set up a basis for conflict between her and Chakota(Did I spell that right?  I don't care the last two weeks have been the hardest of my life and I am running on fumes.)He would be a better tactical commander but because Janeway had more people and the working ship he would have to defer to her but he would not like it and what is more she would be wrong sometimes. Over the course of the show they could learn that while neither one of them had the all the skills needed to get their crews home they each hand some of them and they both cared deeply about their crews so that would bring them together and it would make them a team that could get almost anything done. We would get to see the distrust tern to friendship over the run of the show and Chakota would get something to do other then talk endlessly about his people.

I don't know about you but that is a plot and character arc that I would watch over and over again.  I mean think about it season one Janeway and Chakota would be completely different people from their season seven selves and the friendship would feel earned and then when something threatened it the viewers would care because we had seen it grew from nothing and thus we wouldn't want to see it undone.

I would love to see that show,it's a shame we didn't get it:(

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#702264
Topic
What's in your Google search bar right....................NOW!!!
Time

the pirate bay

I'm not stealing anything.  I just could never figure out how to reauther the copy of Starship Troopers I paid for with the Rifftrax I paid for. For some reason this and The last Airbender are the only movies I have not been able to reauther myself without something going wrong so I decided to check and see if someone had figured it out and put them up on the pirate bay and they had. So that's a win for me and after the last few weeks I could use it.

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#701707
Topic
The Marvel Cinematic Universe
Time

SilverWook said:

Using the Kennedy assassination as a plot point is nothing new. Quantum Leap, the 80's incarnation of The Twilight Zone, the Clint Eastwood film In The Line of Fire.

Gene Roddenberry once outlined a potential Trek film storyline reminiscent of City on the Edge of Forever, involving Kennedy. I kid you not.

 Yeah that is one reason I think it just feels so cheap here.  It feels like a really dated and overused sci-fi story telling device that makes me wonder if in the next movie the Xmen will go into space and end up on the planet of green amazon woman who all want to sleep with them. 

It just feels cheap and silly to me is all.

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#701699
Topic
The Marvel Cinematic Universe
Time

You have to be kidding me!  That was a joke and I really had no idea.

Good night.  It's gotten so I can't joke about Hollywood being stupid because even the dumbest idea I put out there they will make into a movie.  I mean what real life events are my going to cheaply exploit next.  This is a part of Sci-Fi I have never liked,the way real life events will be blamed on aliens,time travelers,or mutants it just feels cheap to me and it never really works.  Just because you have those things in your story doesn't mean they are responsible for everything that ever happened in the universe.  Some events will just be average people doing stuff to try and make the world a better place or because they are just crazy.  I mean is there now one important event in the last 70 years that the Xmen were not part of?  What are the odds of these people getting involved in so many important events. I'm sorry but this just doesn't work for me on any level.  If it works for you more power to you,but it just doesn't for me.

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#701680
Topic
The Marvel Cinematic Universe
Time

It was okay.  It wasn't bad,it was just average if you ask me. Bringing the Cuban Missile Crisis into the story felt forced as did putting professor X in a wheelchair at the end of the movie.  Still it was okay and I wouldn't say no to another movie of it's type as long as it didn't do anything stupid like bring the JFK assassination into the plot. 

I was just trying to point out that I don't think Fox is going out of it's way to make these movies really good and I don't think they are having the same impact as the marvel produced movies and they are sure not as big as they were when the first two came out.  I just get a feeling like the executives at Fox don't care,because the point of these movies is to keep the rights out of Marvel's hands. So these movies are being made as cheaply and quickly as possible.  Not to say there are not good moments in them,just that the films themselves don't feel like they have a lot of support from the studio any more.

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#701674
Topic
The Marvel Cinematic Universe
Time

SilverWook said:

Sony doesn't want to lose the rights to Spidey, (or let Disney have them) so they'll crank out a movie every couple years whether it's any good or not.

 Yeah it's the same with Fox and XMen.  People don't really seem to care about those movies either and they are not breaking any box office records but they will keep coming because both studios know better then to hand Disney another summer franchise.  The point of these movies isn't to be good or even make a lot of money on their own,it's to keep the rights away from Disney so that both studios don't have to compete with these movies but to do that they have to release a movie every couple of years or the rights go back to Marvel. So sadly for the rest of time we will get an average or worse Spiderman and Xmen movie and we will never see what Marvel would do with them.

It's sad but at least Marvel has plenty of other characters to work with.

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#701622
Topic
The Soundtrack Thread
Time

timdiggerm said:

DrCrowTStarwars said:

Rollercoaster Tycoon

 Was this actually sold? You can just get the wavs from the game folder.

 It comes free with the GOG download of the game. I couldn't get the game to install off of the disc on my 64 bit system but the GOG version runs just fine.

Oh and I did miss one,Fable 3. I love that game and it's soundtrack.