DrCrowTStarwars

FanFiltration said:

DrCrowTStarwars said:

FanFiltration said:

DrCrowTStarwars said:

I assumed there was a bathroom in the Holideck and it just vaporised his waist.

 I was under the impression that body waist was converted to energy, and then the molecules where re-arranged and converted into new useful things.

You know, converted into all those replicated hot fudge sundaes Deanna Troi  loves to eat.  

 Was that idea ever mentioned before that one episode of Enterprise?  I am not saying you are wrong or it wasn't I just can't remember that idea ever being brought up before and I am pretty sure I would have remembered something like that if I had heard it mentioned on the show when i was a kid.

 I think it may have been talked about in one of the Technical Manuals or other official reference books from the 70's or 80's. I'll need to dig around my storage shed to find it.

 Ah that explains it.  Those books were written before I was born and I guess they wee never in any of my libraries so I never read them.

FanFiltration said:

DrCrowTStarwars said:

I assumed there was a bathroom in the Holideck and it just vaporised his waist.

 I was under the impression that body waist was converted to energy, and then the molecules where re-arranged and converted into new useful things.

You know, converted into all those replicated hot fudge sundaes Deanna Troi  loves to eat.  

 Was that idea ever mentioned before that one episode of Enterprise?  I am not saying you are wrong or it wasn't I just can't remember that idea ever being brought up before and I am pretty sure I would have remembered something like that if I had heard it mentioned on the show when i was a kid.

pittrek said:

1 DVD movie? Which "one" do you mean - The Gathering? (technically the pilot, but it has 2 different versions, one served as pilot, the second one released on home video as a standalone film) In the beginning? Thirdspace? River of Souls? A Call To Arms? (technically a pilot to Crusade) The Legend of the Rangers - To Live and Die in Starlight? (technically a pilot to The Legend of the Rangers - unproduced spinoff) The Lost Tales? (technically a pilot to another unproduced spinoff)

 A DVd movie is a movie made to be released on DvD first.  All of the movies besides the lost tales were produced for and aired on TV first,some of them when DvDs were only just hitting the market place for the first time. Most of the B5 movies aired just before or just after B5 finished it's run on TV. All of those movies aired on Tv before going to DvD,they were not made for the Dvd market just released on it after the fact.  As for The Lost Tales,yes it was a pilot but it was a pilot for a series that was mean to be released on DvD and nowhere else. So yes it is the only straight to DvD B5 movie.

If the B5 movies are DvD movies then so is every episode of every show that has ever been released on DvD.

There was only one DvD movie and it was so low budget it had a cast of less then half a dozen and two very small sets and almost no props.  It looked like one of Linkara's videos which is fine if you are one guy working out of your living room,it's not so good if you are trying to tell B5 style stories for mainstream viewers.

Also Crusade was canceled before the first episode air,the scripts and costumes were messed with by the network,and the episodes were aired out of order. The building blocks were there for it to be a really good series but it never stood a chance because of the way WB and TNT treated it.

Oh right.  Yeah i really should have gotten that. To tell you the truth I am barely aware of that book and couldn't tell you what it was about if you put a gun to my head.  I know more about Ashens' book Fifty Thousand Shades of Gray.

Still I really should have picked up on that:)

I'm really sorry I know I should have gotten that but I am so tired right now I have no idea what you are talking about:)

I assumed there was a bathroom in the Holideck and it just vaporised his waist.

Wait what? Some remade Rear Window?

Why do people keep trying to remake Hitchcock?  I guess it's only a matter of time before we get a remake of The Seventh Seal with giant robots.

Oh,that is bad.  I had completely forgotten that thing existed.  No really I had to think about it for a second after you brought it up before I remembered that it was a real thing.

Still maybe  we will get lucky,I mean Johnathan Frakes directed Shades of Gray but he also did First Contact so maybe it will work out.

YES!

Reminding me of Hot Fuzz,always a good move:)

That is why I always save my longer posts in open office before posting here.

Tyrphanax said:

Web design is stupid.

 Boy don't I know it.  Has it gotten any easier since the last time I worked on a website in the late 90s.  I swore I'd never help anyone build a website again after that.

Tyrphanax said:

Web design is stupid.

 Boy don't I know it.  Has it gotten any easier since the last time I worked on a website in the late 90s.  I swore I'd never help anyone build a website again after that.

Yeah thanks I am getting near it but it's a whole system of once I get to a doctor he has to meet with me once a week for a few months to be sure I need the meds because some of them are controlled so it will most likely be the end of the year before I can get back on the meds.  Thanks.

Sorry Warbler,I took you off my ignore list.  Sorry again.

TV's Frink said:

Why are you off your meds, if I might ask?

 It's a very long story but I have several conditions some of which are linked to stress and my autisum.  they give me movement disorders and cause things like headaches,and words to become jumbled in my head,along with confused mood swings I was on meds for them but then my doctor retired and I haven't found another in my area that takes medicaid so I am off my meds.

Normally I can cope(I didn't receave treatment for this problems for the first time until I was 20 so i grew up with it and most people,myself included just thought I was very stupid)but lately it has been bad(I think the stress of having my dad nearly die messed with my head)so words will turn into a jumble,I repeat myself and not know it,and some times I will write giberish that doesn't make sense to anyone(It's all english words but they will be out of order or put together in such a way that my meaning is not clear)but myself and I will not see it because it all made sense in my head.

Sorry for this long post,I have not had an attack this bad in a long time but I have been feeling bad.  One other problem is that I sometimes see personal attacks or threats where there are none and over react,sorry if I have done this.  I say if not because I am trying to down play it but because I have no way of knowing when it happens if i am doing it or not. So if this has happened in this thread I am sorry.  I am going to log off for now I think and give myself a chance to calm down and try to sort things out. Thanks for baring with me.

RicOlie_2 said:

I can say for sure that there are many scientists who have completely bizarre ideas about global warming. I was listening to a scientist on the radio talking about how the ice cap over the North Pole is going to disappear in a year! One, freaking year! That's so incredible it almost causes me to reject everything scientists say on global warming entirely, but I do recognize that there is some truth in it.

Some of it is political though. Look at what happened with the banning of CFCs. CFCs were banned by politicians who didn't know their facts. The ozone hole cannot spread away from Antarctica, and cannot occur outside of the months of August to November (I think it's those months), because it's creation is dependent on the Polar Vortex which only occurs in that place during those months. CFCs are responsible for only a minute amount of the damage caused to the ozone hole, which has been occurring since long before humans were able to affect it at all.

Many, though not all, scientists think the ozone hole is a serious problem, but they don't seem to have any evidence for it and it was an initial misinterpretation of the data that led to the misconceptions about the ozone hole.

I think the same goes for global warming.

 Yes exactly.  That is all I have been saying but the politically distorted view of the science is seen as the science and we are now being told that we are not allowed to question it,that is what I have a problem with.  Also this idea that just because all scientists agree that something is happening or did happen that they all agree on the details of how and why it is happening.

NOW THAT IS WHAT i HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR ALL SEASON!

So many twists and turns and great character moments,I don't want to give away spoilers right now but I did not see that final moment coming.  This was one of the best episodes in the series' run and next week's episode looks to be even better.

Still the tests they take have an in built bias put there by the people who made them up. Not to mention the teachers have their own bias so the students know the easiest way to pass is to think like the teachers.

Look you may think that scientists are perfect and are 100% unbiased and that no scientist has ever made a mistake or done something to get ahead and that they should be worshiped as gods on earth and anyone who questions them should be burnt alive in the town square but i see that as the path that leads back to the dark ages.

Hitler had Scientists on his side so I reserve the right to question everything they say and put it to the test and assume that like every other person on the planet they can make mistakes.

Look I am just going to ignore you now because we are never going to see eye to eye.  I believe scientists can make mistakes and get things wrong and that they some times disagree with each other. You see them as a perfect hive mind who no one should be allowed to question.  Time will tell which one of us is right but we are too different to coexist so I choose not to continue this pointless fight.

Yeah sorry about that.  I still haven't quite gotten the hang of posting photos on this forum.  Still i really hope JJ doesn't fill the new movie with lens flare,it would be nice to be able to see what is happening on screen.

I believe the subtitle with be The lens flare of Doom.

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Bingowings said:

The climate changes all the time we are currently coming out of the ice-age that forged our civilisation and have been so for the entire duration of that civilisation.

Blaming it on human activity over the last two hundred years instead of the sun or the fluctuations of the position of the Earth or fluctuations of its magnetic field is a biggish leap but you can't tax those.

Regardless it makes sense to cut down pollution and to prepare for the changes.

But the man-made hypothesis only increases the building of fission reactors which are the most polluting and most most dangerous man-made devices around.

Alternatively.

 Thank you that is exactly what I have been saying.  Maybe it came out as a random jumble of words(I have a hard time telling any more if anyone else can make sense of my words I have been off my meds for more then a year and even my own family is starting to have trouble figuring out what I am saying)but what I meant was people seem to be jumping to the conclusion that just because a lot of scientists say global warming is happening that they all agree on what the cause is and that it is going to wipe us all out and that it is time to put a police state in place and point fingers.  That is what worries me. The fact that people reduce science to those simple terms and think if you say anything else you are anti-science and want to return to the dark ages and try to predict earth quakes with chicken entrails and that is dangerous.  The idea that you have to agree with the most extreme version of this theory or you are anti-science and part of a plot by stupid people to kill off all life on earth scares me.

Thanks for getting it out there because i guess I am such a confused mess today i was just rambling on and not making any sense.  Sorry.

Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

DrCrow, I don't know where you are getting this idea that scientists have all this power.  For all the screaming by the vast majority of scientists, virtually nothing is being done about global warming.  It is politicians, big money, and superpacs that have the power and make policy decisions, not scientists.

Your logic seems to be that sometimes scientists are wrong, therefore you shouldn't believe them unless you see it yourself.  Well, that's pretty hard-lined, since a huge amount of incredibly beneficial science involves things you and I can't see.  Global climate change is not something you and I are likely to see directly until it's too late.  But that said there are quite a lot of visible effects, an interesting summary/overview is on NASA's website:  http://climate.nasa.gov/effects

If you're waiting for the flood waters to come rolling into your living room in order to believe it, that is your right - but I would suggest that as a society we can do better than that.

And nobody is stopping Fox News from whipping everyone up into a frenzy about it.  So I don't know where all this thought police Orwellian stuff is coming from.  My point was regarding the wholesale disrespect these days for science, and you demonstrated my point far better than I did.

So again you are saying people shouldn't be allowed to question anything a scientist says and that anyone who does question them should lose all of their basic human right and you wonder why I have a problem with this world view?

Also as I pointed out it's easy to get people to agree on something when the options are sign this or lose your job.  Are you stating for the record that there has never been a case of a scientist being pressured to say that global warming is real or to say the problem is worse then it really is? Also you are assuming that just because most scientist agree it is happening that they all agree that it is 100% man made and that we can stop it by all going back to living like it's 1700. You are also assuming that every study agrees on how bad it is going to be and what is causing it.

My disrespect is not for science it's for the way the common man talks about it. As if it is one thing and all scientists are a hive mind who all think the same and all agree and that every study about something agrees on every detail of that subject.  The logic being used by the global warming people is that all real scientists and all of their studies agree that is is happening,it is man made,it will wipe out life on earth,and it will happen on an exact time scale and that because of this we should all give up our freedoms and way of life.  That isn't how science works.  Yes there are a lot of studies that say global warming is happening but that is about where they all stop agreeing.  From there they widely disagree on how much it is happening,why it is happening,what effects it will have on the earth,and how soon those effect will be felt.  That is all i am saying but because I don't agree that there is some hive mind out there that is never wrong and I say some of the models have been proven wrong I am called anti-science.  Fine I am a backwards inbred hillbilly who should be shot for questioning the supreme overlords who are never wrong and always agree about every detail of everything,but you will not force me to change my mind.

I will bet a dollar to anyone here that in twenty years time will will not have reduced our carbon footprint but none of this doomsday stuff will have happened.

To get this thread back on track Hollywood is clearly out to get me. Greenlighting so many bad movies,putting Batman who I am sick of in the next Superman movie,and now giving the Foundation trilogy to the only director who can compete with Micheal Bay for the title of dumbest director working in Hollywood.

Hollywood what have I ever done to make you hate me so much?

TheBoost said:

DrCrowTStarwars said:

Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

DrCrowTStarwars said:

Well I just don't believe that we should never question scientist or hold them to account when they are wrong.

And this claim that they are wrong is based on...?  Global warming isn't a concept that someone just pulled out of their arse.  It's been backed by an overwhelming number of scientific studies, inquiries, and peer review over many years.  Unfortunately, the claims out there that it is "wrong" are, by contrast, generally based on anecdotes and flippant remarks.

I'll fast-forward past the rest of your anti-science rant, to...

As for global warming unless we can get China and Mexico to cut down on their carbon footprint there is not a whole lot we can do.

And their justification for not cutting down, is generally that we are hypocritically asking them to cut down even though we aren't.

 See this is exactly what I was talking about. You have heard some say one thing so now you are saying that any other side in the debate should not be allowed to speak because they are not scientists and clearly they can not understand anything thing. You even dismiss the idea that there is debate between scientists on this issue instead seeing them as one vast elite group who should not be questioned.

What is more you see how easily I was able to get some people to go along with my most extreme ideas,some of which are right out of Hitler and Stalon's play book just because I said there was a threat that scientist agree exists.  No one asked me for any proof,everyone is just taking it for granted that if a scientist says it then it must be true and any action no matter how extreme that is taken to prevent it is just a okay.  Do you see know why this world scares me.

If you disagree with a group of scientists on one point you are declared anti-science and shoved aside.  Is it really that hard to believe that if people continue thinking this way at some point in the future we will give up all of our freedoms to an elite group of scientists who will tell us what we can think,what we can do,and will control every aspect of our lives?  After all they are scientists and they are always right anyone who says that any scientist has ever been wrong about anything is just anti-science and doesn't understand what they are talking about. Also if all scientists do agree on something then could it not also have to do with the fact that many scientists who take opposing views are being fired. I am sure there are not people out there who are going along with the most extreme claims of global warming just to keep their jobs,that would never happen. Isn't it human nature to disagree on issues? Every time i hear that everyone agrees on some issue it makes me uneasy since that is the first sign that someone is not being allowed to speak.

See this is how you lose freedom.  You trust one person or group of people and never ask any questions of them.  Then you give up one freedom to stop a threat,soon you are giving up another and another and another until you are living in a brutal police state.  This is why I question everyone and never go for the extreme solution to any problems and why I think pointing fingers at people and blaming them for problems doesn't really work that well.  It creates an us vs. them attitude that is very hard to get out of and when all you do is watch them you have no idea what Us is getting up to.

It is an interesting demo of human nature that most people where on board for some of my extreme ideas but when it came to something they didn't want to do it wasn't worth losing their freedoms over.  That is the other danger we face and why we have to watch ourselves when it comes to an extreme threat like global warming,or terrorism,or communism. It seems that to stop a great threat we are all willing to see someone else give up their freedoms but when it comes time for us to lose some of our own that is when we get mad.  Really we should get just as mad over the other guy losing his freedoms as we do over our own,otherwise what right do we have to complain?

I don't think you understand how science works. 

 There's overwhelming amounts of proof. Hundreds of studies, Tens of thousands of pages from hundreds of institutes from dozens of countries.  There are decades of disagreement, discredited hypotheses, supporting evidence, arguments, and analysis and reanalysis of data. It's all there, recorded. The other side of the debate (although that's a false dichotomy because science isn't taking sides, it's presenting a framework to understand data) has spoken and continues to speak. The dialogue has been, is now, and will continue to be ongoing. That's how science works. 

No one has lost the right to speak. No one's freedoms are limited. Anyone can still present data, and if it's good it will be incorporated into the understanding of a topic. It is however, highly unlikely that the overwhelming consensus of all data that fits the current theoretical model is going to be suddenly overturned.  That's how science works. 

If you want to stand up and say "I think science is wrong!" you need to be prepared to be specific, quantifiable, falsifiable, and have good replicatable data sets. That's how science works. 

Scientists are constantly questioned and constantly held accountable when they are wrong. A scientist gets MORE kudos for disproving something that's popularly held than for supporting it. Scientists constantly check and recheck each other, HOPING to find errors. That's how science works. 

 Yes but unless you read every study yourself you are just taking their word for it. In other words you have picked a side and are not asking them any more questions and you are then saying other people should lose their freedom not based on anything you yourself have seen but based on what others have told you is true. That is the great danger.  It was only a century or so ago that the vast majority of doctors thought that woman would go crazy if they were given the right to vote and hold public office. Also as I said if these people never make any mistakes then I should be under water right now.  I think their models are a little suspect at this point. Also your view that only a scientist should be allowed to question another scientist sets them up as an elite and promotes the idea that only they should have a voice in running things. Do you not see the danger in this idea.  All being a scientist means is that you answered all the questions on a test the way you were told to in school that is all it takes to get those letters after your name. It a system that forces people to conform and where everyone has to think in exactly the same way or they will never pass the tests to get the letters so they can conduct the studies in the first place.  The system is designed to exclude free thinkers. Of course a of studies agree when only the people who think in a certain way are allowed to conduct studies in the first place. For example here in Delaware a scientist who worked for the state tried to publish a paper where he called into question the math behind the models in state's predictions about global warming,no one would publish his paper,and the state fired him because he wasn't "A true scientist" since he didn't agree with the vast majority.  Do you see the danger and why I find it highly unlikely anyone would stand up even if they did find a flaw?  Why would someone risk their job and reputation then conforming is so much easier and let's not forget all the money you get from research and all the awards you are given if you are seen to be doing something about global warming. The fact is a lot of the people in power believe in global warming so just like oil companies put pressure on their scientists to say it isn't real so the government and schools and the people who hand out grants for scientific studies but pressure on scientists to say that is real and it will be a disaster.  Personally after everything I have read I think the truth is in the middle. The climate is changing but it is not 100% man made,it has as much to do with solar activity and long term trends and while it will do some damage I think we will be able to handle it in the long term. I also think some of the models have been proven wrong(I mean I am not under watch right now)so we need to take a careful look at all the models and studies without putting pressure on anyone to come down one way or the other.

It's the same thing that happened in the 1950s with the communist witch hunts. Everyone in power agreed that the communists were here and needed to be hunted down because the system was set up to keep people out of power who didn't agree with that idea.  That is what scares me now. Every time an extreme threat is pulled out as a reason why we have to give up freedom i don't care who is saying it or how many letters they have after their name,it bothers me.