DrCrowTStarwars

TV's Frink said:

DrCrowTStarwars said:

So like the Taliban you think all music should be banned,interesting.

 Does not compute.

 He said any music within a film or a Tv show is a waste of time so I was just mocking that view point.  the fact is music has been used to help tell the stories in films before there was even sound in movies.

So like the Taliban you think all music should be banned,interesting. Oh and Data sang and played musical instruments in several episodes so why don't you have this deep seated personal hatred of him.

 You know nothing of computers so you can't say what is possible. If Data could be programed to do it when he was made by one man on a backwater planet almost 40 years before how is it so hard to believe that a team of people working in a state of the art lab with unlimited funds couldn't do the same thing when they had more advanced and bigger hardware and software to work with? Also Data learned new things over seven years so how is it impossible that Holodoc could learn new things in the same time?  Data's personality and everything he knows comes from software just like holodeck character.  The software is stored on hardware but it's the software that makes things work.  Look at the computer you are using right now,if you take all the software off of it then it can't do a thing and that is how Data would be without software. Remember we saw a few times when his memory was wiped and no hardware was involved and just like a Holodeck character Data couldn't remember what had happened to him so he is software in a body just like them. Oh and remember when Data downloaded his daughter's memories,he didn't have to attach her body to his,if androids are hardware then he would have had to walk around with her head on top of his but he didn't do that he downloaded he memories.  if you know even the most basic think about computers and what they can do then you know that only software can be downloaded,not hardware. Oh and how is it more believable that software could be made for Data then it could be for a holodeck character. Oh and in season one of TNG Holodecks were brand new,are you saying that technology never changes or upgrades because Vic and the Doctor were created more then a decade latter by people who had been working on them all their lives. You are saying there is no way that the holograms could have been upgraded? You have in fact stated that at no time in human history has any computer program ever been updated or improved.  You have stated that it is impossible to ever improve technology.  Well I have news for you my $100 cellphone now has more memory,processing power,and a more complex operation system then the $700 desktop computer that I had a decade ago.  That is how fast things have advanced in a decade. It is not impossible as you stated,it's part of our every day life. Also the early Holodeck characters could become self aware by themselves so how is it so hard to believe that someone could program them and do on purpose what had been done a decade earlier by mistake?  If you don't believe science can discover new things and solve new problems I really don't think your problem is with these characters but with Star Trek in general.

Oh and please don't try to tell me what is possible with computers,I have built four computers from the ground up and watched AI being programed for games. So I have a very firm grasp on what is possible and how computers work. Oh and try to remember how far computers have come just since the early 90s and remember that Star trek is set more then 300 years in the future. Many people didn't think that the things computers can do today would ever be possible just a couple of decades ago when they were running off of DOS. Remember this is a future where kids learn advanced algebra in second grade and the computers can hold a human brain if needed,these are very smart people using very advanced hardware and software.

Iron man 3 was one of the most by the numbers superhero movies I have ever seen so I don't think that stands up.  Also if they kicked him out for thinking outside the box then they are afraid of thinking outside the box.  Now he may have been too far outside the box but that still means they were afraid of it,so there is some outside the box thinking that scares them.

As I said my only interest in Antman came from Wright being involved and so I will not be seeing it now and I am far less likely to see any Marvel movie now that they have fired the best director of action comedies who is around today.  Sorry that is just the way I see it.  With Wright I was excited because he has talent now he is being replaced by a director who will just be following a studio template I am losing interest in the MCU.

For me to get excited about Marvel again they would have to tell us what this idea that was so far out there was so i could see why they felt their only choice was to fire Wright. So far Marvel hasn't done that which tells me the idea couldn't have been that bad and this was more a case of him not following a template laid out by executives who know nothing about film making.  This is a sad state of affairs if you ask me.

Well I still think this is the first real sign of trouble.  Wright may be the best person to make this type of movie and if the studio has become so unflexable that he needed to leave there could be trouble coming.  I hope this isn't a sign of Marvel picking a formula for these movies and getting rid of anyone who wants to try something new.

I was looking forward to Antman but with Wright gone now I have no interest in it.

SilverWook said:

Lounge is the correct term. In any case, Quark's didn't have Vegas dancing girls. :)

Isn't an intelligent hologram just like Data, but without a permanent physical form?

If we're going to get into Trek concepts that aren't possible with today's technology, we're going to be here a while. ;)

 Yeah under that Logic they shouldn't have had Data on TNG since he was just software and how can you believe in him,he had to have the exact same software so how come he is okay?  In fact he is less believable the the holograms since we never see the computers that store their software so for all we know they could be huge but Data somehow fit all of that programing into into something the size of a human head. If anything Data is the one that is hard to believe in. Not to mention he can somehow eat and drink and have sex,you don't seem to have any problem believing in that stuff.

Also I have to wonder why someone who has something against things that can't be done with today's technology would be watching Sci-Fi in the first place since seeing things that can't be done yet is kind of the whole point of the genre. Oh and under the logic of if you can't believe it you can't like it then I should point out warp drives and transporters can't exist either. So it seems like it's Star trek you have problem with and not the characters or how they were written. There is nothing the writers could do writing Star Trek that would please you under your logic. They would have to stop writing Star trek to make you happy.

Oh and Vic's lounge is nothing like Quarks and Jazz rules. I love Jazz and that whole time period,Vic did a good job with the songs so I even got some enjoyment out of His way which was a pretty awful episode but the scenes with Vic help hold it up and an episode I would give a 1 out of 10 got a 4 out of 10 from me.  That's pretty good.

Oh and I have to wonder what music someone who says they hate all Jazz likes that they think Jazz had no impact on.

Oh and as for fighting for the rights of Holograms you may not think it can be programed but the fact is look at what they had done up to that point and tell me that doesn't make them people who should have rights and shouldn't be used as slave labor,that is what that episode was about and even with as many problems as I have with Voyager I think that last shot did a good job of making that point.

Yeah and I just did it again.

BOOM!

no,Now it has two posts.

SilverWook said:

DrCrowTStarwars said:

:)

I have heard of T.J Hooker(In fact I just picked up the first two seasons a couple of weeks ago) but I have no idea what that other show is and now I want to check it out.

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Time_Tunnel

 Thanks a bunch!:)

doubleofive said:

DrCrowTStarwars said:

As for Vic he had maybe 15 minutes and two episodes out of two seasons on DS9 and he was a good character played by an actor who could sing?!  I mean it may be the only time in Tv history a character who was a singer was played by an actor who could sing and if you want to understand why fans like myself love him then take a look at this.  It's one of my favorite episodes of Star Trek fullstop and and I think this review says it all.

"It's Only A Paper Moon" is your favorite episode of Trek? I don't even know what to say to that.

 I said ONE OF,and then I latter stated that it was number seven.  It was a very well written episode and I can't think of a thing I would change.  it found a way to deal with PTSD brought on by war without reducing it to nothing or letting the episode get depressing,that is pretty amazing for a TV show if you ask me and I like it a little more ever time I watch it so i am not ashamed to put it in my top ten.

:)

I have heard of T.J Hooker(In fact I just picked up the first two seasons a couple of weeks ago) but I have no idea what that other show is and now I want to check it out.

SilverWook said:

No worries.

I am amazed Vic didn't figure into any time travel episodes though. ;)

 Maybe if there had been a season eight or he had showed up on Enterprise:)

SilverWook said:

DrCrowTStarwars said:

As for Vic he had maybe 15 minutes and two episodes out of two seasons on DS9 and he was a good character played by an actor who could sing?!  I mean it may be the only time in Tv history a character who was a singer was played by an actor who could sing and if you want to understand why fans like myself love him then take a look at this.  It's one of my favorite episodes of Star Trek fullstop and and I think this review says it all.

 

 I didn't grow up with that show and I only saw a couple of episodes on ME TV this past weekend and you are right they can sing,and shockingly the show is pretty good.  I kind of blanked on them,sorry.

Still given that it was Star trek and the way TV is done in general I have to say I was shocked when Vic showed up on Ds9 and his singing didn't make me want to pierce my eardrums with an icepick.

Oh and I agree his episodes and the Baseball episodes work because I think both the crew and the viewers needed to unwind and think about something besides the war from time to time.

It's only a paper Moon was a really good way of dealing with the PTSD without sweeping it under the rug or making the episode too depressing and it is number seven on my personal list of favorite Star Trek episodes.

Okay you say you loved TNG and all the characters,I assume that includes Data who just had software running him but then you go on a rant about how the Voyager writers treated the Doc like he was a person instead of software and you seem really angry.HoloDoc along with Tom,Kes,and 7 was one of the only bright spots on Voyager and may be the only reason I watched all seven years of the show.

As for Vic he had maybe 15 minutes and two episodes out of two seasons on DS9 and he was a good character played by an actor who could sing?!  I mean it may be the only time in Tv history a character who was a singer was played by an actor who could sing and if you want to understand why fans like myself love him then take a look at this.  It's one of my favorite episodes of Star Trek fullstop and and I think this review says it all.

http://blip.tv/sf-debris-opinionated-reviews/ds9-it-s-only-a-paper-moon-review-4683748

Now compare that to this and I don't see how you can say Vic ever reached Nelix levels even if you didn't care for him.

http://blip.tv/sf-debris-opinionated-reviews/voy-parturition-review-6350892

Now please bare in mind I have no love of Voyager and have not watched most of it since it first aired almost 20 years ago but I think you are being a little too hard on the characters and the writers and you seem to have a real personal hatred directed towards them.

Yeah Season two was where I started watching and the hacksaw line put my jaw on the floor the first time I saw it,you just didn't see stuff like that on TV in those days.

I agree that it was a fitting end to the series but it will also be fine if they decide to do another minseries at some point.  I like that Jack turned himself in for a reason,it feels kind of upbeat because all season Jack as said he doesn't have any friends but then in the final moments he confirms that yes he has one friend,Chloe. She is the one person who has always been there for him and so he is turning himself in to protect her.

If there were another miniseries and Jack was broken out I would expect Chloe to be behind it since that is just the kind of team they are.  One thing that I love about 24 is that Jack and Chloe are always there for each other but it isn't for the normal Tv reason that they are a couple. They are there for each other because they are friends and they know that when the chips are down the other person is the only one they can count on to have their back but they didn't have to be in love for it to work out that way.  They learned that they can trust each other because they had to work together to save lives and since then they have each learned that the other is the best at what they do and can be trusted but it doesn't go beyond that.  I can't think of another show in recent years that has handled things in this kind of adult way and I am glad the series ended showing that once again.

Okay I just watched SF Debris' review of Parturition and again like a lot of Voyager I had not seen this since it aired on UPN and is it just me or is this a perfect example of why Nelix is worse then Jar Jar Binks?! I mean at least Jar Jar cared about people and was always trying to help,he never went out of his way to make things worse! I mean if this were any of other character in any other Star trek show acting the way Nelix does in this one it would be a sign that some sort of alien thing was in his head and messing with his brain because no one would ever act this way and expect not to be thrown off the ship but in this case it's just Nelix being Nelix,no alien stuff or mind control involved. Nelix really is this big of a stupid asshole! Why couldn't he have been the character who died every other week instead of Harry?

I will not click on the plot spoilers but that is a pretty cool image and it's good that Cap seems to be getting equal billing with Iron Man.

Dito.

On the 24 facebook page people are flipping out over this ending and calling it the worst thing ever and I just don't see how else it could have ended.  I think this ending was set up pretty well and it fit the tone of the series and there was that moment of friendship between Jack and Chloe.  if this is how the series ends with Jack handing himself over to the Russians to protect Chloe and his family I can live with that.  It feels like a fitting end and completely in character for jack if you ask me.

The ending I saw was the Russians getting a hold of Jack because they will just keep coming after his friends and family if he didn't hand himself over and it then cut to the silent clock letting us know that the russians killed Jack at some point.  What ending did you see?

I admit it was sad but it was what had been set up from episode one of this season so it felt like a fitting end and it was really the only way the series could ever end.

http://nationalreport.net/disney-confirms-jar-jar-binks-star-wars-7/

Well first JJ wrecked Star Trek now he has done the same to Star Wars. No way I will even see the trailer for this "movie" now,it's not worth my time.

Johnny Ringo said:

The Strain feels like Fringe meets Dracula. Still It was interesting enough to see where it's headed..

 Wow,I can't wait for that to come to DvD.  Sounds like this could be my new favorite show on American TV.

Wow,I have no words.  That was a proper final to 24.  I am sad that I was right but I really didn't see it ending any other way.  At least Chloe is okay and Jack stood by her as a friend in the end.  This felt like a good final for the series and the only end Jack's adventures could have.  I sure hope we get an Agent Morgan spin off series.

Well here it is the final episode of 24 ever.  Hope everyone gets a chance to watch.  I am pretty sure the Russians are going to kill Jack:(

That is all speculations that doesn't line up with the dialog and we are never told that is what is happening. That doesn't change the fact that what we see onscreen makes no sense.  You can explain away any plot hole or piece of bad writing if you come up with your own back story and just make stuff up out of thin air and while that may be fun that is not what we are told in any of the episodes.  What we are told is that Kes is going to die because she turned nine,she wasn't in danger when she was eight and we are never told anything about the Caretaker or food being involved at all. It treated the same way old age is treated with anyone except it is treat as a fact that no one can live shorter or longer then ten years and that is just silly.

Yeah you can explain it away with stuff you make up in your own head but based on what we are told on the episode it's self this is what happens,once Kes turns nine she drops dead no question about it and it is a natural part of her people's lives.

If the writers wanted us to think it was the caretaker or the food then they should have put a line of dialog saying so in any episode with Kes in it.  The writers had three years to give us this information if that was what was supposed to be going on and they didn't.  if that was the intent then they are still hacks for not giving out information,and by the way that is a writer's job..giving the viewer or reader information.  So in other words this was a huge fail on their part.

Well glad to know I am not alone. I mean we are told the only way kes is going to live another week is if HoloDoc does some weird time stuff that ends of wiping the family she wanted more time with from the timeline. Diet and some sort of meds were not even an option and we were not even told what was killing her,it's just she turned nine so she is dead end of story.

Okay I just watched SF Debris' Before and after review and can i just take minute to talk about something that bugs me in this episode and it has nothing to do with Kes's whole family being purged from existence jut to please the shippers(But that does really bug me. I mean basically her whole family gets killed and it has no negative impact on her),it's something that bugs me in science fiction in general and not just Voyager. Alien life spans. In this episode Kes is dying because she just turned nine and her people only live nine years. Anyone ever notice that it doesn't matter if it is nine years or nine hundred years when alien lifespans are mentions on Sci-Fi it is always very exact and every alien we meet always seems to live that exact number of years unless they get shot or something. if they are under the life span they are never in any danger of dying and once they reach that lifespan it like a switch flips and they just drop dead. it doesn't matter what kind of health they are in,they can't do a thing to prolong their lives like eating right or stuff like that,once they hit that magic number they are dead and everyone knows it. That is not how it works in real life. I mean right now the average human lifespan goes into the late 70s but my maternal grandfather died in his early 60s and paternal grandmother made it to 89,but if they were aliens in science fiction we would be told their race lives to 78 and my grandfather would have made it to that age without any problems and my grandmother would have dropped dead 11 years before she did.