13 reasons why was pretty good… not the greatest thing I’ve ever seen… but it was interesting.
They left it kind of open ended at the end… would have liked to see a bit more resolution to some of the plot lines
All of the PT characters. Most if not all of the R1 characters. Poe Dameron, Captain Jokema, and General Kid in TFA.
How can you hate Poe? Oscar Isaac is so damn sexy with those eyes and that lip biting thing he does.
Back on topic somewhat, I don’t get why people like Mace Windu- he’s the biggest dick in the Jedi Order and that’s saying something.
I almost put him in my list… not only is he a dick, he’s kind of an idiot also.
He’s also involved in by far the worst saber duel in the entire sage. Oh for some stunt doubles
He was also horribly miscast (noting against Sam Jackson, but his forte isn’t exactly stoic monk types)
You know - if they could just take out the Greedo shooting thing, the Jabba Scene in ANH and the Vader Nooo I could probably live with the rest.
Although I really, really would like to get rid of Jedi Rocks also
The OT are not just mere films; they have become far more than that in just a mere four hours of content. So for Lucas to change even ONE thing is the worst act of cultural barbarism in film history. The OT should be kept pure, EXACTLY as it was on the day each film was released. There should be no SE whatsoever; but George’s decision to make it the ONLY version you can watch, why that’s beyond unforgivable. For Disney to continue this shameful reign of terror makes them even guiltier of perpetuating one of the worst cultural erasures of the last 25 years. They are lost films now, I can’t accept a world where the original versions can’t legally exist.
Meh - I don’t see a problem with the SE versions as long as the Theatrical versions are still made available.
I mean - does anyone care that the LOTR films have 2 versions available?
I agree with you though that refusing to make culturally signficant films available is pretty bad.
Unfortunately this is all a consequence of the ridiculous state of modern copyright law. It’s completely unbalanced and entirely perverted from it’s original purpose. There’s no reason a film should be copyright protected for more than 20-40 years. The theft from the public domain during the 20th and 21st century has been a travesty
The Younglings. Every single one of them.
Yoda as a kindergarten teacher… the awesomeness of the PT can never be fully appreciated
You know - if they could just take out the Greedo shooting thing, the Jabba Scene in ANH and the Vader Nooo I could probably live with the rest.
Although I really, really would like to get rid of Jedi Rocks also
“Rich characterization” is wildly overrated.
I can think of so many cool movie characters from the past that had little to no backstory or arc.
Take a movie like Aliens… what the hell do we know about Vasquez? Drake? Hicks? Hudson?
Or Predator… Pretty much all of the characters are totally paper thin and the movie is still awesome. “This stuff will make you a sexual tyrannasauras” What more do you need to know after that?
There’s plenty of thin characters from the OT that were cool - Boba Fett (until he died like a chump), Piett, Veers, Tarkin, Admiral Ackbar
Admiral Raddus from Rogue One was cool.
Anyways… just saying it’s completely possible to create cool and compelling characters without wasting a bunch of time on backstory as long as you can get some good acting and a well written script.
Honestly - Darth Maul was one of the only cool villains in the PT (the other being Palpatine). Both of them were simple black/white characteers… but they were well acted and designed.
It could be Qui-Gon Jinn?
If he never existed, maybe we might have some prequels about you know, Anakin and Ben’s friendship… like we all thought they would be.
Or it could be Darth maul?
Person A: "Darth Maul is my favourite Star Wars villain because he looks so badass!!!"
Person B: "What else is good about his character, apart from looking badass?"
Person A: “Character…?”Or it could just be Dexter Jettster?
I can answer that question. Darth Maul not only looks badass, he doesn’t have to read any terrible Lucas dialogue. His 2 lines were actually good.
So many candidates
The Jedi Rocks Singer
Captain Panaka
The eye patch guy that replaced panaka
Jar Jar
Pod race announcer
Kid Boba Fett
Any random Boring PT Jedi
Trade Federation Losers (I was so glad Anakin killed those d-bags in ROTS… I’d been waiting for someone to kill those losers since TPM)
I think the “are you kidding” implies wouldn’t.
Yeah I know it doesn’t really change anything. The unedited clip though is interesting and makes it even more clear to me that she wasn’t even thinking about the theatrical versions.
Yeah, he completely dropped the ball on his question, she was so completely lost for a while there as to what he was trying to ask, and then was excited to get out a simple answer and move on once she thought she figured out where he was going with it. Off of this impromptu interview alone, I don’t think there’s any cause for new speculation either way about the state of the OOT, just that there’s some confirmation of what was already obvious, there’s no further SE tweaks going on without George.
I’d be shocked if a saavy executive like Kennedy made any kind of pronouncement about the release of the OOT in an unscripted format like that.
From what I saw, she probably suspected that the guy was trying to bring up the controversy over some of the SE changes and whether they might be modified. Not surprising that she has no interest in discussing anything along those lines.
Now that I’ve watched the youtube clip no one should be at all surprised by Kennedy’s reaction. The questioner wasn’t very clear other than making additional changes to the SE editions.
I am not surprised at all at Kennedy’s reaction - what else would anyone expect her to say?
So I went back and watched the unedited clip. She literally says the Special Editions are his. She says she wouldn’t touch the SEs. No kidding. Literally no surprising info there, and should have no bearing on a potential release (or non release) of the theatricals.
Weird I just now saw that unedited clip. Yep, she had absolutely no clue what he was talking about and then he finally specifies that he’s talking about altering the “special editions”.
And not that it matters much, but she actually says “I haven’t touched those” instead of “wouldn’t.”
That was a terrible and stupid way to ask that kind of question (at least if he was trying to ask about OOT versions)
A much better way would be “Do you think there might ever be a release of the original theatrical versions alongside the definitive versions so that collectors and fans can see the evolution of the rich history of these films?”
Interesting - you have to clear the cache - forcing a full reload won’t do it.
Spleen is the best way to obtain the full size files correct? I would like to be able to burn the despecialized trilogy at its highest quality to blu ray discs for media room viewing.
If you aren’t on spleen the Facebook page for despecialized has a good set of instructions on how to get them.
The multi-part rar download using free rapid downloader actually goes pretty quickly
I’m still slightly annoyed to this day at how much better TPM looked in this trailer than it did when I finally saw it.
Greatest trailer ever in the promise-to-delivery ratio. Watch with youtube quality set to 144p to re-create that 1999 dial-up internet feel.
For some real nostagia see if you can find a CRT monitor to watch it on
“The dark side of the force is a pathway to many abilities, some considered to be unnatural”
“What a wonderful small you’ve discovered”
It’s a trap!
But what we’re curious about us how much Fox earns from those rights.
yeah I didn’t actually go through the 10K in detail - that kind of information (at least at a high level) might be in there.
Will somebody get this big walking carpet out of my way?
Also:
Almost there…
I can’t hold it!
It’s away!
Negative, Negative! It didn’t go in. It just
impacted on the surface!
It’s not like Lucasfilm hasn’t altered ROTJ multiple times after the director passed away… Am I the only one who sees the hypocrisy there?
Also - why would they do any release prior to 2020? Spending a bunch of money on an OT restoration and having to split the money from TESB and ROTJ with Fox is just stupid. I still don’t know why anyone is expecting anything to happen prior to the rights reverting
First of all, none of us know what kind of distribution deal Fox has, nor what kind of money we’re talking about here. It may not be an issue at all.
By releasing them this year, on the 40th anniversary, they have a huge, built-in marketing message and can take advantage of all of the current hoopla surrounding the anniversary.
Actually a lot of the information is public (some is right out of Disney’s 10K).
Check the distribution section here (which is well footnoted):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucasfilm
“20th Century Fox, the original distributor of the first six Star Wars films, still retains the physical distribution rights to the original two Star Wars trilogies, currently owning permanent full distribution rights for the original 1977 film, while also holding the theatrical and home video distribution rights to Episodes I–III, V, and VI until May 2020.[34] Lucasfilm retains the television and digital distribution rights to all the Star Wars films except the original.[35] In December 2013, Walt Disney Studios purchased the distribution and marketing rights to future Indiana Jones films from Paramount Pictures, although the latter studio will retain the distribution rights to first four films and will receive “financial participation” from any additional films.[36][37]”
Also, does it matter if Kathleen believes in George’s vision when the house of mouse can override that and be like “nope, we like money, put out the OOT, we worked out a deal with FOX”
They let Disney have their way with EP7 so…
This. George was his own boss. If he wanted to make a sw film made of nothing but of cgi potatoes, he could. Kathleen Kennedy is not her own boss. She is a figurehead/manager who answers to stock holders and a corporate board (see: syndicate).
When Disney bought Lucasfilm, they bought EVERYTHING. There’s no contract that says they can’t release the out. For $4 billion, they don’t owe George anything. Kk might have professional and personal respect for George, but also has superiors to appease. Superiors who micromanage every decision to the tiniest detail in order maximize short and long term profits.
Disney can and will release the out, but it will be solely when they feel it will get the biggest bang; not when the fans want it, not to comemmerate some date,etc.
The biggest bang would be literally any time now because they haven’t had a proper release in over 20 years
It’s been 22 years since the widescreen VHS tapes came out. It’s been nearly 11 years since we got those terrible DVDs. What’s to wait for?
What Disco_Lobot said, but even if we put the 2020 thing aside I still wouldn’t expect it before then anyway due to Lucasfilm wanting to keep all the attention on the new movies. We know there’s going to be a hiatus at some point not long after IX. We’re already getting two movies within six months of each other, so I could see them at the very least taking a year-and-a-half breather farther down the line. Maybe they do another standalone movie in 2020 and then put out the OOT that Fall or just wait until 2021 if that ends up being the “off” year.
2020ish time frame makes sense not just because of the rights… but because they can release some fancy 9 movie saga collectors edition (maybe even including the anthology films) - something like that would be the perfect place to release any sort of remaster/restored editions.
I do think it will be kind of darkly funny if they end up releasing the OOT, but only make it available in a full saga package so that you have to buy the PT movies to get it.
You are missing the point. …it boils down to the fact that it is applied to women 99.2% of the time
Yeah, because the fact that the character is a precocious girl is part of what makes it such a transparently pandering trope.
while men get a free pass in the same situation.
I sure hope you mean “male characters,” since I don’t think any “men” have any superpowers, let alone overpowered omnipotence on Squirrelface’s level. And in any event, no they don’t. Movies with invincible male leads who are never in dramatic peril (such as most Steven Segal movies, where he never once gets hit) are as shitty and uninteresting as any Mary Sue vehicle.
Hey now - Out of Justice is freaking awesome 😃
But if you think the PT is better made, or do something insane like give the PT a 5/10 and RO a 1/10, you’re just trolling for reactions.
TFA plot is way bigger mess than any PT plot. It is simply horrible. So ranking TFA below PT is completely natural in this respect. When you also count in the complete lack of originality in TFA, the judgement is clear.
Gotta disagree with that. I had issues with TFA’s plot… but TPM and AOTC are both far bigger messes. Neither of those movies even makes sense.
I mean, the entire premise of TPM is that Sidious wants Padme to sign a treat that would end the crisis on Naboo (and I won’t even get into how little the entire blockade and invasion makes sense)… yet if Padme had actually signed the treaty, it would have ruined Sidious’s plan to use the crisis to take over. IT MAKES NO SENSE
It’s not like Lucasfilm hasn’t altered ROTJ multiple times after the director passed away… Am I the only one who sees the hypocrisy there?
Also - why would they do any release prior to 2020? Spending a bunch of money on an OT restoration and having to split the money from TESB and ROTJ with Fox is just stupid. I still don’t know why anyone is expecting anything to happen prior to the rights reverting
I missed it… does TFA involved Darth Vader turning to the darkside because he was a gullible idiot who had some bad dreams? Does it involve one of the worst romance stories in film history? Does it involve dialogue that is sometimes worse than B-movie level?
Yes, Starkiller base is stupid… but so were the Ewoks. Personally I think the OT and Rogue One are better than TFA… but TFA is not that much worse than ROTJ. I think it’s a good movie and entertaining to watch.
I can’t even sit through AOTC. IF anyone honestly thinks TFA is that bad please try actually sitting down and watching AOTC all the way through
And that’s the point I was making about Rogue One as well. If you don’t like either TFA or RO, that’s fine. If you prefer to watch the PT to those two movies, ok that’s your prerogative. But if you think the PT is better made, or do something insane like give the PT a 5/10 and RO a 1/10, you’re just trolling for reactions. So congratulations.
I actually don’t understand OT fans that don’t like Rogue One at all (I do get the TFA criticism)…I kind of feel like that’s the exact type of movie I’ve been waiting for since I was a kid in the 1980s. To each their own I suppose.
Honestly - if you didn’t like Rogue One I kind of feel like it’s time to move on from SW, because you are never going to like anything new
I missed it… does TFA involved Darth Vader turning to the darkside because he was a gullible idiot who had some bad dreams? Does it involve one of the worst romance stories in film history? Does it involve dialogue that is sometimes worse than B-movie level?
Yes, Starkiller base is stupid… but so were the Ewoks. Personally I think the OT and Rogue One are better than TFA… but TFA is not that much worse than ROTJ. I think it’s a good movie and entertaining to watch.
I can’t even sit through AOTC. IF anyone honestly thinks TFA is that bad please try actually sitting down and watching AOTC all the way through
My avatar won’t show up… I loaded it in my account and it shows up there… but I can’t get it to load on threads