DestronTC

I’m really enjoying this series. Unfortunately, I noticed a couple typos. Going by the YouTube upload timestamps on these videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-NaUNTvYyU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7z6AJJG9X5A

In Part 1 - Prequel Prelude, at 4:08, “California” is misspelled. In Part 6 - A Planet Called Tatooine, at 0:53 “Doug Chiang” is misspelled.

Aw man why did you alter Rick Mccallum’s famous “this is f*cking grim” which occurs at 27:16 in Part 6 of your edit? That’s a classic moment like “it’s so dense”. Having him say “this is editing jump grim” just doesn’t hit the same.

Its on reddit fellas

ifjg said:

I was talking more like cutting right when the window breaks. If you do that, you can still keep most of the panning shot. But your way of doing it does have its advantages. It’s cool how the chorus comes in for when they do the jump, and I like how it flows cutting straight from the landing to the Qui-Gon swing.

Here’s one closer to what I think you mean. If it were cut in a frame earlier you’d get the tail end of the tilt up.

https://mega.nz/file/V51EmArK#mGa8i4C5UH5apNiZgDNrg_4fbLgdPIPHgMum2_xSUAU

Or maybe you mean like a smash cut that retains most of but not all of the tilt movement itself. Could be adjusted by a few frames.

https://mega.nz/file/VwcxiTYK#XS3xdt7s5rP12h5_6A3Tane7yeLWateAbltUtB2oozU

ifjg said:

It always struck me as a bit odd how the window explodes and the shot just lingers on that while epic fast paced music plays with not much happening. The extended duel clips are way out of order in this edit and there’s some glaring continuity issues introduced as a result (no offense to Bobson), but if you slot them to go right after the window explosion and lead into the big panning shot, they’re a perfect fit. Hence, I’m pretty sure that’s actually where the shots were originally going to be, but at the last minute they decided that it would be better to reintroduce the duel with the panning shot and let the Padme stuff go a bit longer since there’s nothing else to fill that section of the music.

bobson dugnutt’s Phantom Menace - Expanded Edition HD Fight clips re-ordered/framed to their 2001 Deleted Scenes Documentary presentation + Schorman’s HDTV v2.5 + ifjg’s editing suggestion + audio from the 1999 Royal Premiere video + Ultimate Edition OST.

https://mega.nz/file/E1NwwIID#RamP5-iTQevx3wQYHB6OiMTXZhYK6gsjWjW7QD4r0Cg

If the pan up shot that opens the sequence in the final film is replaced outright, it works pretty well. Panaka’s head turn to the cut, and the Jedi landing to Qui Gon swinging feel right.

https://youtu.be/7aQe_KVNDMg?t=1115

There is a little bit of clean official audio for the extended Maul Duel.

I heard an unsubstantiated rumor from one person that this footage was in the UK Theatrical cut. I don’t believe it, but these shots clearly existed in 1999, before they were included on the 2001 DVD special features, unlike other scenes which were completed for that DVD.

The film premiered on July 14 in the UK, two months after the May 19 US premiere, so maybe these shots were completed in that gap? Have these shots appeared in any other promotional material?

Has anyone heard any proof of a longer UK Theatrical version?

Pink Panther said:

As someone who has seen and has both “Gigers Alien” and the version 1 workprint, I would be really interested to see this. I have tried - badly - to upscale and re-encode both versions mentioned above. Would be nice if OP would write a guide (for the rest of us) on how he accomplished this feat. Although, given that his last activity was in 2015 - that hope is very slim.

If anyone has a link to either download or watch this much fabled V2, if you could drop a link or PM me, that would be great!

Hello friend. The op’s last activity was not in 2015. How do I know QuarltonBanks? Well, of course I know him! He’s me… I just dropped that account.

If you would like a guide on how to assemble your own alien fan edit I would be happy to provide.

Don’t bother trying to upscale the old versions, they’re a mess. As completing the project I know how I’d do it, but its always up in the air.

    The four resources you require are...
    - Alien Anthology blu ray - 98% of behind the scenes footage and cut shots can be found here.
    - Alien Legacy DVD - Alternate audio track with much raw on set audio and alternate dialogue. 
    - Alien Quadrilogy DVD - Directors Cut contains one alternate shot as compared to the blu ray directors cut. Very 
      odd.
    - Soundtrack CD. The two disc one by intrda.
    - I elected to use the Alien blu ray regraded to the laserdisc by PDB for the main film. You can find that on 
      myspleen. Use whatever copy of the film you prefer.
    - Giger's Alien to my knowledge has no shots filmed with the cinema lenses intended to be used in the film. Just 
      16mm or 8mm documentary cameras.

    Use MakeMKV to rip everything and select the components you want to use. You'll probably get a bunch of duplicates. 
    In the case of the blu ray you should have around 20 deleted scenes, a couple documentaries, and some misc. bits 
    and bobs. All the docs have bts shots except for Alien Evolution.

    Rip all of the audio you want in to an editing ready format. I used .wav. As for software you can use ffmpeg or 
    whatever you fancy.

    Use Handbrake to re-encode all of the footage into .mp4 with detelecine on and framerate set to 23.976. All of the 
    blu ray bts is encoded at 29.97fps with the film footage obviously being 23.976 but interlaced. This will restore 
    all the film footage properly.

    Then its just editing, the rest is up to you.



If you want me to go into more detail about certain editing choices let me know. Also feel free to pm me with any questions.

Succeed where I have failed!

Could I also get a PM? Thank ya ver much

I can show y’all v2.1 https://mega.nz/#!QkNkFCJD!J5RD3gnu4DGd3y436zRyeVISy19-HJ9cd-PK25EPJAY

Very unfinished, but shows off some new stuff. Lower quality 720p encode. Final versions will still be 1080p and 480p.

Ends when Ash gets burnt because I haven’t worked past that point.

MLB FILMS said:

Any news?

I would love to have any news, but like my first post says I can’t sort out the messed up WP framerate. If I could the edit could be quickly done.

Kinda on hiatus but it’s always in the back of my mind… Oh how history repeats itself

Nah, no version is on MySpleen. And the footage in that video is from the cut that I posted on YouTube haha

Lol no clue man. So far I’ve got the beginning to the Kane’s condition scene about 90% done. Although I’m well aware the main death scenes and cocoon sequence are gonna take up like half of the overall time I spend on this thing…

Here’s something new to v3…

Alternate bits of Ripley and Parker’s argument. Color correction isn’t final but probably fine. I also wanted to test the 1080p grain overlay on top of standard def footage. It actually did a lot less than I thought it would.

Grain ver. https://mega.nz/#!AkdXUAQR!QSd2MG743bQP41olokBUjg9u50IOAAFsF8f197BGjm0

No grain ver. https://mega.nz/#!4odTGKob!K8LPbyOSCrUPcQd1xV-hKGAV8xvhZOOEJSjlKI-PSvA

Collective thanks to everyone who’s sent me good feedback!

I put the cocoon scene where I did because that’s where it is in the script, and it makes way more sense there. I don’t know why it was placed after Ripley sets the countdown in the director’s cut…

Not doing a 5.1 track now. Saying I wanted to was jumping the gun a bit and I’d like to try that on a less intensive project first. I’m just gonna focus on making sure a stereo track sounds good. Having the 5.1 threads to mix with is extremely advantageous though.

benduwan said:

DestronTC said:
I don’t like the idea of incorporating the 4x3 handcam footage never shot as part of the film into the movie itself.

why not?
if it makes the scene longer and more interessting…
i´ve done this with my star wars project…
sure,it looks not so good but more is better…

I’d either have to crop it an insane amount or set the 4:3 picture within the 2.35:1 black bars. I’d be willing to do the latter, but I don’t think anything in Giger’s Alien was shot with the main cameras as footage for the film itself. If there is anything, I’d put it in.

I, too am using a lot of 4:3 stuff in the Star Wars edit I’ve been tinkering with, but I judge the two by different standards for whatever reason. I’m also putting some of the goofier shit in my Star Wars edit, like Han biting the medal at the end, and Leia handing Luke a beer in his X-Wing.

Could always change my mind tho shrug

Currently up to editing the egg silo.

Work on v3 has begun, being built from the ground up! I Re-ripped and re-encoded all my elements in high quality and perfect 23.97fps! I’m already up to the transmission scene (which is now longer than before by a few seconds).

v3 will be much higher quality than before, and will include more alternate/additional video and audio. There will be two versions, 1080p and 480p. It will also have a 5.1 soundtrack to account for any deleted scenes that include surround sound. I’ve never done a 5.1 mix, nor do I have any way of testing such a track, so I may need some help.

The main source is the Blu Ray laserdisc regrade by PDB https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Alien-Aliens-Color-Regrade/id/17002

All the other sources are the same as they’ve always been. I highly doubt I’ll be using any of Giger’s Alien. I don’t like the idea of incorporating the 4x3 handcam footage never shot as part of the film into the movie itself.

First off, this is clearly my edit that you made a few additions to, which I’d’ve appreciated if you’d at least mentioned. Overall that choice was detrimental because it gave you a lot less to work with when making your alterations.

The encoding is pretty bad, and that could have been avoided if you’d built it from the ground up. I’ve never heard of this Power Director software you’re using, but if you’re looking for a good, free editing software, I’d highly recommend Davinci Resolve. I don’t use it myself but I’ve dabbled in it, and it’s incredible; Adobe Premiere level software.

A great deal of your additions were worthwhile, but a lot of them either had jumpy sound work or no sound at all, such as the new shots in the egg silo and Sigourney Weaver’s screen test. You can get the full screen tests with audio off the Quadrilogy DVD, or the Blu Ray set. There are great sections where the audio is off sync as well.

You also had some widescreen footage set in 4x3, that could have been cropped off properly.

Overall it pains me to say that I’m not impressed, but I would love to see you do better work in the future! If you have any questions about anything I would be glad to help!

cosmicjazz said:
Giger’s Alien, that is, which I can get off the 'spleen.

Have you though about using any of the footage from the Alien Makers DVD series?

I’ve skimmed through those but never watched them completely. Never saw any footage in them, is there any?? That’d be bonkers.

Yeah, I mean the bad quality and jankiness is the main reason I have distaste for it. I would like to go back and remake it with the BD at some point in the future, but I mentioned all that before.

I was tossing this idea around in my head. Maybe two versions: 720x480 to match low quality behind the scenes footage, and one in 1920x1080, but with a high quality 35mm grain plate over all the sub-hd footage to give it some fake detail. I believe Harmy’s Despecialized Editions did the same thing. Maybe, maybe not. Just an idea.

I mentioned all the sources I used in the readme, but it really just boiled down to anything and everything that came on the 6-disc Anthology BD, and the alternate audio track from the 1999 Legacy DVD.

In all the stuff you mentioned owning, is there anything special that isn’t on the BD set that could be used? Besides Giger’s Alien, that is, which I can get off the 'spleen.

Hey thanks, and radical can’t wait to see it.

Ay, while waiting for word from myspleen, I’ve uploaded it on Mega for shits and giggles, PM me if you want the link.

Yeah man I’ll pm you once it’s upped on Mega.

The screen tests?.. Interesting. That’s actually a great idea, I strayed away from using them because they weren’t using the final sets or costumes and weren’t intended to be used in the film, but it would be so interesting to see them incorporated.

I never had any hand in the original virtual workprint. It’s a fantastic edit, and it inspired me to try my hand at this, but I never worked on it.

I finished mine about two years ago but never uploaded it anywhere, but I randomly decided to a few days ago. Check out my thread about it. https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/ALIEN-VIRTUAL-WORKPRINT-V2-EXTENDED-WORKPRINT-working-title/id/17815