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#954623
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What Special Edition changes (if any) did people like?
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Lord Starfish said:
This is true… but then the original Emperor in that shot was an old woman with the eyes of a chimpanzee, dubbed over by someone who didn’t sound even remotely like Ian McDiarmid. The change could certainly have been executed better, but I think I prefer the new version to the old here (minus the afforementioned stupid dialogue change).

Yeah. I mean, come on, defending the original Emperor hologram is just dumb. It makes you look like a fanatical purist and it almost undermines our entire argument for the originals being better as it gives Lucas apologists plenty of ammo to say we’re blinded by nostalgia goggles and would literally say anything different is worse, even if it is clearly better. OK, the changed hologram could maybe have been done a little better, but Lucas worked with what he had; he already had Ian on set in Emperor makeup for ROTS. But for any flaws the new scene may have, they pale in comparison to, as you said, literally an old woman with chimp eyes and a strange voice. It’s laughably out of sync with every other appearance of Palpatine’s character and just takes you out of the movie unless you’re watching ESB as a standalone for some reason. And if it’s your first time watching it before seeing ROTJ or the prequels then, well, OK, maybe it won’t take you out of the movie, but it will set you up to be taken out of ROTJ when you watch it and it will probably still seem “off” to you because the whole scene is just wrong.

And to be clear, I certainly believe that the original cut of ESB should be preserved and given an official release with all the works, chimp eyes and all. But I’m also fair enough to recognize what is clearly an improvement when I see it.

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#954620
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If you could make your own se change, what would that be?
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I agree with the change to make Ian McDiarmid the Emperor hologram in ESB. Though I would have tried to make him resemble the ROTJ Emperor more than the ROTS Emperor and would not have changed any dialogue. I also don’t mind any of the little fixes and clean-ups, and even a few of the subtle/tasteful CGI enhancements like the Cloud City windows.

But other than that, nothing. I can’t think of any additional changes I would make myself. George has already gone way above and beyond the threshold of any possible change that could be good and then some, by far. That’s why we’re here.

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#953264
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Ranking the Star Wars films
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TV’s Frink said:

Density said:

The funny thing is this little debate about whether it’s possible for art to be objectively bad or not has an objective answer: It’s not.

You must be a big fan of actual shit on a canvas. I’m sure you find it profound, inspiring, and beautiful.

How many do you own? And how do you handle the smell?

None of these stupid analogies change anything. You’re missing the point entirely. It doesn’t matter what you or I think about it. Because art by its very definition is subjective and everyone has their own standards for judging its value, it is literally impossible to claim some art is objectively “better” than others. You can critique it all you want, argue about it, explain why according to your own standards you think it is good or bad, and that’s fine. But at the end of the day, no matter how well-supported and rational it may be, it is still your opinion. Not some kind of hard fact.

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#953202
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Darth Vader's suit
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Anchorhead said:

Lucas said it himself when he wrote a letter to the producers of Lost:

“Don’t tell anyone … but when ‘Star Wars’ first came out, I didn’t know where it was going either. The trick is to pretend you’ve planned the whole thing out in advance. Throw in some father issues and references to other stories – let’s call them homages – and you’ve got a series.”

Wow, I had no idea this happened but that’s hysterical. Kind of confirms that he’s been lying about everything for years.

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#953094
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Star Wars OT & 1997 Special Edition - Various Projects Info (Released)
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stretch009 said:

Density said:

So I just downloaded the Team Blu SW from usenet, anyone know what the hell the password is? Can’t seem to find it in the thread anywhere.

Usenet Pass:

SW77:

ThatsnoMoon

SW97SE:

WhatAPieceofJunk

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-OT-1997-Special-Edition-Info/post/703339/#TopicPost703339

Thanks

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#952997
Topic
Ranking the Star Wars films
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imperialscum said:

I just dropped by to throw in some facts. Films cannot be objectively bad or good as there is no objective measure for that. And yes, opinion cannot be wrong or right. And the person who came up with the dumb example of moon landing dispute should better educate himself on a difference between an opinion and a claim.

Yes, thank you. You can have your own opinions, but you can’t have your own facts. Your view on the quality of a movie is an opinion. It’s subjective and there is no way to measure it as objectively true or not. But your view on the actuality of the moon landing is, as you put it, a “claim” that is dependent on the facts. It’s either true or not true, because either the moon landing happened (it did) or it didn’t happen. That is a matter of fact, not opinion. Whether Revenge of the Sith is a good movie or not is not.

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#952980
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Phantom Menace changes
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TV’s Frink said:

Density said:

creepy puppet Yoda was an abortion

I don’t care if this is a technically accurate usage of the word as the dictionary definition goes…kindly fuck off.

Dude, you mock and harass everyone on this site all the time and you’re telling me to fuck off for using the word “abortion” appropriately? Now normally I don’t mind it, sometimes it’s even kind of funny, but this is more than a little hypocritical and ridiculous.

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#952798
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how can I watch the original '77 star wars?
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HansiG said:

Density said:

All these are wrong. The only way right now to actually watch the pure 1977 Star Wars as it was originally released in theaters is the Silver Screen Edition, seeing as that is literally a scan of a 35mm print shown in theaters. The others are all either ever so slightly revised, be it the ANH title or an audio remix, or in the case of Despecialized, cobbled together from various sources. None of this is a big deal of course, but if you want to get nitpicky and technical, SSE is really your only totally “pure” option.

By that logic, if I accidentally make 1 pixel turn white for 1 frame, I make a new edition?

No, that’s why I said it doesn’t matter and it’s just technical nitpicking. But if you’re OCD and you want original crawl+original audio+all original sources, that’s your only option at the moment.

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#952720
Topic
how can I watch the original '77 star wars?
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All these are wrong. The only way right now to actually watch the pure 1977 Star Wars as it was originally released in theaters is the Silver Screen Edition, seeing as that is literally a scan of a 35mm print shown in theaters. The others are all either ever so slightly revised, be it the ANH title or an audio remix, or in the case of Despecialized, cobbled together from various sources. None of this is a big deal of course, but if you want to get nitpicky and technical, SSE is really your only totally “pure” option.

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#952620
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team negative1 - star wars 1977 - 35mm theatrical version (Released)
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Blackout said:

Can someone please explain in excruciating detail how to use SABnzbd to download this specifically OR upload to Spleen or mega? I (and many others) would greatly appreciate it.

  1. Make sure you register with a usenet provider. If you don’t want to pay get a free trial from a service like the one I mentioned.
  2. Follow the instructions at the following link to set up SANnzbd and link it to your server:
    http://wiki.sabnzbd.org/quick-setup
  3. Go to a site called binsearch and search for “SSE.”
  4. Check the box next to what is currently the second link listed (should be about 36GB and say 1.6) and select “create NZB.”
  5. Open the NZB file you just created with SABnzbd.
  6. Wait for it to finish downloading, verifying, and unpacking.
  7. And you’re done.
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#952607
Topic
My review of Episode III (minor, minor spoilers)
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I liked it when it first came out, still think it is OK and a massive step above the first two prequels. The flaws have been made more clear with hindsight and Plinkett-esque scrutiny, but it’s still (mostly) an enjoyable enough watch to me, certainly compared to the other two. Practically no Jar Jar and love scenes, and finally a plot that actually goes somewhere, actually has some kind of emotional depth, and actually ties in neatly to the OT.

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#952604
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team negative1 - star wars 1977 - 35mm theatrical version (Released)
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I signed up for a one week unlimited free trial (that doesn’t even require you give your credit card information) from http://www.pureusenet.nl/en, and I downloaded the free usenet client SABnzbd. With that, I was able to download this whole thing in about an hour with an average speed of around 10 Mbps without paying a cent.

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#952603
Topic
Ranking the Star Wars films
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JawsTDS said:

  1. Return of the Jedi (The acting…)

I think, with the exception of Harrison Ford who was kind of phoning it in, Jedi actually has the best acting of the OT. It was Mark Hamill’s best performance by far, that’s for sure. And Ian McDiarmid as the Emperor is awesome. James Earl Jones, David Prowse, and finally Sebastian Shaw all carried Vader’s redemption perfectly too.

So I find this kind of a strange complaint. There are things to nitpick Jedi for, and even larger flaws with it, but I don’t see how the acting would be a dealbreaker relative to the rest of the films.

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#952452
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What is wrong with... <strong>Attack of the Clones</strong>? - a general discussion thread
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Smithers said:

His reviews actually break down so much more than “what doesn’t make sense” that he almost makes the movie impossible to watch because of all the issues he pointed out when it comes to continuity, dialogue, and basic storytelling.

Yeah, I can’t even watch them to try and enjoy them for what they are anymore. I literally can’t stop thinking about the reviews when I try to, and then I end up just watching them again instead…

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#952411
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What is wrong with... <strong>Attack of the Clones</strong>? - a general discussion thread
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TV’s Frink said:

Density said:

NeverarGreat said:

I’m pretty sure most people on this site have seen the Plinkett reviews, and while they’re great, they don’t really go much further than pointing out things that ‘don’t make no sense’.

I completely disagree.

Feel free to disagree about the content of the reviews, but there’s no denying that the reviews have been discussed endlessly here.

Well that’s the only part I was disagreeing with, clearly most people here are aware of 'em and have talked about them a lot. I just didn’t think a thread called “What is wrong with Attack of the Clones?” was complete without at least one mention of them.

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#952196
Topic
Why the prequels shouldn't be about Anakin and Obi Wan
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Here’s what I would have done:

Episode I sets up everything that follows in the rest of the saga. It’s a “Godfather 2” like blend of scenes that show how the rise of Palpatine in the “present” mirrors the initial rise of the Sith in the ancient past. We get to see the historical foundations of the Jedi/Sith and their conflict, in addition to beginning to set the stage for the more immediate “future” of the OT. Most of the movie would have been set in a similar-ish time to TPM (albeit not with all that crap with the Trade Federation and Naboo - basically a totally different story), but no kiddie Anakin or anything. The story instead just follows some Jedi (Obi-Wan included) as they begin to discover that the Sith might be returning. These scenes occasionally cut to scenes showing some of the ancient Jedi Order’s first conflict with the Sith. These flashbacks are short but are strategically inserted for relevance, perhaps as the Jedi research the history of the Sith. Their placement also hints at (but doesn’t explicitly reveal) that Palpatine is the Sith the Jedi are looking for in the “present.” Maybe at the end of the movie, we first see a young Anakin (who is already a padawan) in a brief cameo to set the stage for the next couple movies. Maybe show how he is selected to become Obi-Wan’s apprentice. But he is not the focus and he sure doesn’t accidentally blow up a ship.

Episode II shows, like AotC does, the beginnings of the Clone Wars and again focuses on Palpatine’s masterminding these events. However, this time give him a real reason for a war and make the stakes higher. Open the movie with a series of “false flag” terrorist attacks across the galaxy set up by Palpatine and made to look like they were carried out by an enemy (Separatists, whoever, doesn’t really matter - but don’t make the soldiers droids, make them real people). Palpatine also leaves hints that raise questions if the Jedi might have been in cohorts with them, setting the stage for his plan in the next movie. Meanwhile, we see Obi-Wan and Anakin’s friendship in full bloom now. Make their first scene an exciting action sequence on a Jedi mission where they save each others’ asses, not just some vague talk in an elevator about “a nest of gundarks.” Give them a real rapport and invest the audience in their friendship.

There can also be a “love story” here to show how Luke and Leia’s parents met, but make it just a minor subplot; maybe Anakin has to try to win a hard-to-get Padme (or whoever) over throughout the movie but doesn’t succeed until the end after he saves her or something, and their romance from then on out is implied. Again, establish a real rapport between the characters and make us care about their relationship. Don’t just tell us they are “in love” because. And skip all that shit about the Jedi not being allowed to love, there was no hint of this in the originals and it is stupid. Lucas seems to be under the impression that “forbidden” love is more romantic and meaningful, but this is not the case. Also give us actual hints that Anakin will turn to the Dark Side here. Show Palpatine beginning to manipulate him this early, show him beginning to research about the history of the Sith (put the “Darth Plagueis” thing here) and question whether the Jedi really are the “good guys,” etc. Make him doubtful and uneasy about the Jedi order.

Episode III skips ahead a few more years. Now the Clone Wars are at their height and the costs to the Republic are enormous. Terrorist attacks continue to be carried out regularly, and because the Clone Army is in short supply, men from around the galaxy must be drafted to supplement them. (Origin of Stormtroopers revealed here.) Basically, give the people a reason to be so concerned about the prospect of the war continuing that they would be willing to let Palpatine become a dictator to put a stop to it. Some clones and robots fighting each other doesn’t do that. We have to see actual consequences of the war on the people of the galaxy.

Otherwise, make the movie about Anakin’s fall as ROTS was, but make it more believable and pack more punch. Have Palpatine set up a complex machiavellian plan to make Anakin paranoid and convinced that the Jedi are out to betray him. Make Anakin feel highly protective about his family (have him already married at this point, and make Luke and Leia very young children - explains how Leia might remember her mother) and make him truly believe that the Jedi are planning to kill them. Perhaps have Palpatine point out that in the ancient past, the Jedi would “euthanize” children who showed signs that they might become too powerful and unstable, and suggest that Luke might be one such child himself and the Jedi–who are closely monitoring the children’s development–would be willing to do so again.

In fact, have Palpatine attempt to have a “Jedi” who is actually his apprentice infiltrating the organization attempt to kill Luke himself, and then have Anakin duel with and eventually kill this “Jedi,” unknowingly setting himself up to become the next Sith apprentice. Palpatine then reveals to Anakin that he is a Sith, and didn’t tell him earlier because he wanted him to discover for himself that the Sith were really “the good guys” and he had been “brainwashed” by the Jedi. Have him then tell Anakin that the Jedi were behind the terrorist attacks and the war, showing him the “proof” he planted in the last movie. Have him use all this to convince Anakin to join him and help him hunt down the Jedi - starting with Obi-Wan, to prove his loyalty. Anakin then runs to confront his friend and master, feeling extremely conflicted until, like in ROTS, he becomes convinced that Obi-Wan is attempting to turn Padme against him or even to “help” the Jedi kill his family.

Have Padme actually die as a casualty in the ensuing struggle between Anakin and Obi-Wan, driving Anakin to full-blown rage and pushing him all the way over the edge to the dark side. But in his passion, he makes mistakes and… he falls into lava or whatever. Have the movie end with Palpatine having his armies hunt down the Jedi (no “Order 66” crap though, and make the Jedi formidable opponents who don’t go down easily, and more than just Obi-Wan and Yoda go into hiding - set the stage for some EU stuff in between trilogies), taking power as the Emperor, and Obi-Wan and Yoda putting Luke/Leia into hiding. But Anakin, when he is revived as Vader, is told by Palpatine that they were killed by the Jedi, firmly burying any last hint of conflict within him and sending him into deep regret, giving him true motivation to help hunt down the remaining Jedi. This also explains how Vader did not know Leia was alive in the last movie and why he asks Palpatine how it is possible Luke was alive. Palpatine also kind of screws himself here, as his lie comes back to bite him in the OT when Vader begins to question whether he had been used once he discovers the truth. This may even explain why he wanted to overthrow Palpatine with Luke - it had really always been about his family to begin with.

The parallel between Anakin turning to the Dark Side and killing (who he believed) was a Jedi to save Luke and then turning back to the light and killing Palpatine in ROTJ for the exact same reason is also made stronger and more explicit this way. It also makes Vader a somewhat more sympathetic character who doesn’t look quite as stupid in how he was brainwashed and manipulated by Palpatine. It makes his actions and motivations a lot more understandable.

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#952191
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Ranking the Star Wars films
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Frank your Majesty said:

Wether or not you like a movie is entirely subjective, but the question if a movie is well made is not.

That’s closer to true, but still not really true. How you define “well made” is kinda subjective and a movie can quite easily be “well made” in some ways and not so much in others. Since we’re talking about ROTS, that movie is “well made” in terms of its visual effects (especially for its time), its action scenes, some parts of its story, etc. Not so well made when it comes to the dialogue and acting.

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#951802
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What is wrong with... <strong>Attack of the Clones</strong>? - a general discussion thread
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NeverarGreat said:

I’m pretty sure most people on this site have seen the Plinkett reviews, and while they’re great, they don’t really go much further than pointing out things that ‘don’t make no sense’.

I completely disagree. I think more than that, it digs at the core fundamental problems with the prequels and why they are inferior to the originals. (No opposition to George, too much focus on technical effects and CGI and too little focus on story, no depth to any characters, no emotional involvement, etc.) The parts that nitpick at things that “don’t make no sense” are really just for fun in comparison. I disliked the prequels before I saw the reviews, but they articulated things that “my brain” had noticed but I hadn’t put into words before.

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#951616
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What 'a Star Wars Story' / anthology / spinoff film would you like to see?
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BillionaireHobo287 said:

ATMachine said:

Anchorhead said:

If they cast Solo correctly and stick to a serious story, A Han Solo stand-alone could be be really interesting. They need to stay away from the OT. The world is very aware of Han Solo and who he is as a person. We don’t need a bunch of name-checks or OT references. Something along the lines of the Brian Daley novels. Han Solo and Chewie long before we ever met them.

I’d go with Stars’ End and tweak it as necessary. Show us The Corporate Sector. Let us meet Jessa. That’s a perfect spot for a female lead. Nothing wrong with taking a break from The Empire, The Force, and The Sith for a few hours. I’d certainly welcome it.

Emma Stone in her natural blonde would make a great Jessa.

Emma

She’d probably make a better go of it than Chris Evans.

You are sexist, man

Don’t let your memes be dreams. Also, isn’t Jessa supposed to be female? Why the heck are you bringing Chris Evans into this?

Literally everything about this post is cancer.