Density

I got into the OT at 4 and I still can admit it has shortcomings. The flaws simply add to the charm. I don’t see why people get so defensive whenever someone points out that something they like is not perfect. Nothing is perfect. Chill. What matters is that you enjoy it. If you enjoy it, it might as well be perfect to you. If you can’t get past something not being perfect then you’re not gonna enjoy anything at all.

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As you can see, there are only four Batman films really worth watching. (Though I found Affleck to be surprisingly good and the only redeeming quality of the latest Superman movie.) And it’s no coincidence that the two best feature the Joker. Batman is simply boring without the Joker.

If people are aging and changing, then politics will change and new things will continue to be invented and created. It’s impossible to have a scenario in which some of these things change and some remain fixed. It’s one or the other because they are inseparably tied. This only works in a groundhog day type scenario in which once the year ends you go back to the start of the year again.

emanswfan said:

Wait, Star Wars was at one point going to be R-rated? Was it just that Leia scene, or were there other brutal aspects that got toned down? Apparently I’m Jon Snow in the world of Star Wars script drafts.

I don’t know if it’s true, but I actually heard once it would have been rated G if not for the graphic image of Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru’s corpses.

If I could get the link, that would be prett-ay, prett-ay, prett-ay cool…

Wait I’m confused. Has 2.7 been released yet or not?

I had no idea there was ever a script where Obi-Wan survived. This is the most interesting thing I’ve gotten out of this yet. I thought the original plan was to have Obi-Wan physically return from the dead in the last episode. (“I will become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.”)

I imagine it was probably changed for a few reasons:

1. Alec Guiness wanted his character to be killed off so he wouldn’t have a large role in future films.
2. It works better in plot terms, thematically and emotionally. The Death Star scene wouldn’t be nearly as powerful without “Use the force, Luke.” And the fact that Obi-Wan could communicate from beyond the grave and that he simply disappeared on death really added to the mystical power of the force.
3. Having everyone get away so easily would be a little too convenient. It’s enough that the Stormtroopers have terrible aim when they’re shooting at our protagonists. Having Obi-Wan sacrifice himself so that they can get away adds weight.

moviefreakedmind said:
The only reason would be if they were specifically showing it on film, which seems unlikely.

Considering it’s a very limited roadshow in only select venues, I don’t think it’s unlikely at all. I think it’s more than likely in fact.

If they’re using the 97 SE, does that mean these will be screened on actual 35mm film? I don’t know why they would be using that version if they were going digital. You would think they would use the 2011 versions if they were. It just doesn’t seem to make a whole lot of sense that they would use the 97 unless they had a very specific reason to do so. Either use the originals to satisfy the old fans or use the latest Lucas approved version to satisfy the prequel fanboys. Why go in between like that? That’s not going to satisfy anybody, except for maybe a small subset of fans with a nostalgic attachment to the 97 versions.

In any case, I will be going to see it. I’m disappointed it’s not the original but I can’t resist the opportunity to see them on the big screen. Though if they double dip and give the OUT a 40th anniversary release a year later as I predicted I will feel a bit ripped off. They might just be milking the SEs for the last time.

In fact that’s probably what they’re doing: Using this roadshow as a final send-off both to the SEs and to Star Wars on film print. Then the next year they’ll have a much wider, less limited release of a digital restoration of the OUT, considering most theaters these days only have digital projection capabilities.

Either it was a bootleg or you didn’t and are simply misremembering. Every official VHS had it in there. If you were like most of us though you probably just didn’t pay much attention to it. The box, label, and marketing made no mention of it until the special editions.

LuckyGungan2001 said:

Density said:

Scott109 said:

Honestly, I could not care less what transpires in Episodes VIII and IX.

After watching the juvenile fan fiction trash film The Force Awakens, which was without question the single worst movie I have ever seen, there is nothing in the world which could convince me to watch Episodes VIII and IX.

Bahahahaha. Guess you haven’t seen many movies. This film was honestly on a pure technical level the most well-made Star Wars film to date. Now is it my favorite? No. And you don’t have to like it at all. But to say it’s the worst movie you’ve ever seen is just beyond ridiculous. I think the prequels suck, but none of them even come close to the worst movie I have ever seen. Even Batman and Robin, mentioned here as an example of a worse film, doesn’t come close. Wake me up when you’ve seen The Room or any Ed Wood film.

The Room? Bad?

Uh… yeah.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0368226/

DuracellEnergizer said:

SnooPac said:

eiyosus said:

…How many of us tried to use the force to grab a toy when we were little kids? Unfortunately, the force doesn’t exist in the real world. 😛

Uh…ya, when we were little kids. That’s the last time I tried it too…

Back when I still believed in paranormal abilities, I tried developing telekinesis right into my early twenties.

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Scott109 said:

Honestly, I could not care less what transpires in Episodes VIII and IX.

After watching the juvenile fan fiction trash film The Force Awakens, which was without question the single worst movie I have ever seen, there is nothing in the world which could convince me to watch Episodes VIII and IX.

Bahahahaha. Guess you haven’t seen many movies. This film was honestly on a pure technical level the most well-made Star Wars film to date. Now is it my favorite? No. And you don’t have to like it at all. But to say it’s the worst movie you’ve ever seen is just beyond ridiculous. I think the prequels suck, but none of them even come close to the worst movie I have ever seen. Even Batman and Robin, mentioned here as an example of a worse film, doesn’t come close. Wake me up when you’ve seen The Room or any Ed Wood film.

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Joel said:

TV’s Frink said:

My wife and I have long suspected George has Asperger’s. This is not an insult (those who know me understand why) but an observation on both his strengths and weaknesses.

This is a really profound idea that makes so much sense as to seem obvious in retrospect. Obsessed with details but not a great understanding of the workings of relationships… wow.

Yeah, I’ve considered this before and I think I agree with it. I don’t know him or anything so I can’t say for sure, but from what I have seen of him and do know about him I think it’s a possibility. He’s not good at communicating-actors say he was always very distant and aloof and difficult to talk to. He’s far more concerned with (and more skilled with) technical details than he is with dialogue, character motivations, relationships, etc. He tends to speak in a rather monotone, rambling and detached fashion in interviews. He doesn’t seem to be all that empathetic or concerned with the desires of his fans or anyone else, focused with a tunnel-vision on “his vision.” And a lot of times he doesn’t really seem to be socially aware at all.

Yeah, I can definitely see it.

WHO CARES about where Mon Mothma was? Seriously guys, this is pathetic. I’m sure it will be explained, but it’s kind of sad that this is the kind of thing you got out of this trailer. I thought it looked AWESOME, and now I’m way more pumped for it than I was. By the way I’m pretty sure I heard Vader breathing towards the end…

Lord Haseo said:

Can I ask something? Why are a lot of people not liking the idea of Rey turning to the Dark Side? I think from the small glimpses of what we’ve seen of her angry and even considering her upbringing I think she has the prerequisites for a good Dark Sider.

On a smaller note why do a lot of people want Kylo Ren to be redeemed? I know Star Wars is supposedly about hope but it would be far more entertaining to see Kylo go further and further into darkness and madness. Also he get’s redeemed and lives it would be an overt rehash of Vader’s redemptive moment.

Well Rey going dark would also be a rehash of the Vader plot, except even worse it would be a rehash of the prequels. The whole “come to the Dark Side, we have cookies” thing has gotten stale. That’s why I think the reverse, Kylo being tempted by the light side, is one of the most refreshing things introduced in TFA. We also need our protagonist to remain the moral center. Be challenged, yes, and they don’t necessarily have to be goody two-shoes, but they shouldn’t go full blown evil. Rey should be like Luke in that regard.

As for Kylo being redeemed, I don’t really want to see that either. Like you said it would be a rehash of Vader. If they pulled it off very carefully that could actually be one parallel that works, in that it might tie everything together by making the theme of it never being too late for redemption the central theme of Star Wars. But surely there still could be a more interesting and unique direction to take his character. I’m just not sure what that would be.

• Luke and Chewie as a gay couple.
• Han returns from the dead as a zombie, tells Kylo Ren “You killed your father. Prepare to die.” and then eats his brains.
• Carrie Fisher shows that beauty knows no age by wearing the slave bikini again.
• Rey gets torn up by Finn’s big black “lightsaber,” has to train with the force to learn how to walk again.
• Hayden Christensen returns as emo Vader’s emo ghost to give emo Kylo emo advice about how to be more whiny and brooding in order to resist the light side.
• Jake Lloyd returns as annoying child Anakin ghost, blows up Death Star IV accidentally at the climax of the movie with a little help from Jar Jar Binks

I’ve kissed my sister on the cheek. Guess there must be a plot hole in my life meaning we are not in fact related? Or we’re incestous Southern hicks?

No, really, that does not at all disprove that they are siblings to say the least. They didn’t know it at the time, obviously, but that doesn’t mean anything. And again, she kissed him in Empire only to make Han jealous.

Yikes, it’s pretty apparent how many of you fit the kissless virgin nerd stereotype…

TheQuazz said:

It’s not just the ‘creepy’ aspect of the two of them being brother and sister that I hate, in fact the main reason why I don’t really love ROTJ as much as the other three good Star Wars films is because of how convenient the whole movie is.
Luke needs to return to Dagobah to finish his training;
“Hmm, just make Yoda die. That way he won’t need to finish his training, and we won’t have to address the fact that Luke was supposed to be making a reckless decision in facing Vader without proper training.”
There is another hope for the galaxy that is heavily implied to be Luke’s sibling;
“Meh, just make Leia Luke’s sister. That way we don’t have to introduce any more characters AND we can dissolve the love triangle between the two of them and Han.”
I don’t know, it just seems a bit lazy to me.

Yes, it’s true that many of your complaints are the result of the late decision to end the trilogy with Jedi when 9-12 films were originally planned. That being said, I think it wraps things up naturally when you take that into account, about as smoothly as it possibly could in fact.

Plus, you can explain that stuff. Luke needed to be the last Jedi, he needed to face Vader on his own. So Yoda had to die for that to happen. Not to mention it was addressed that Luke made a reckless decision to face Vader in the last movie - clearly he learned from his mistakes. He constructed his own lightsaber, and from the start of Jedi it is clear he is much more wise and careful. I never thought Luke needed that much literal training, as in like a certain number of hours of lifting rocks, to become a Jedi. I always interpreted it as more of a getting in sync with the force kind of thing that comes with inner understanding, like a spiritual thing. Of course the prequels undid that, but let’s just forget about that…

And again, I point out that Leia does seem to be implied to be the one Yoda was speaking of in Empire when she senses Luke. That tells us both that she is force sensitive and that she has a special connection to Luke. If I was walking out of a theater in 1980 speculating who Yoda was talking about, she would have been my guess based on that. Also it’s for the best that a character we already knew was used rather than another character shoehorned in for the last movie. People would just complain about that too.

Tobar said:

Density said:

I really have never understood the problem some have had with Leia and Luke being siblings. …there’s nothing that contradicts it.

“I know. Somehow…I’ve always known.”

Still doesn’t contradict it. I don’t count anything from the comics or anything else outside the films so I don’t care about your first example.

And as for the Empire kiss, she did that solely to make Han jealous. Not because she had a thing for Luke. Clearly, she was in love with Han. If it wasn’t obvious then it definitely was by the end (“I know”) of the film, around the same time her force sensitivity and special connection to Luke is also revealed.

And the “always known” line meant that she always sensed some kind of connection between the two on a subconscious level but was never able to rationally explain it or put it into words. Now that Luke has revealed they are siblings and she understands her connection to the force, it all makes sense to her. That’s how I’ve always interpreted that line, not that she literally always knew they were siblings.

I really have never understood the problem some have had with Leia and Luke being siblings. It’s not the greatest example of script writing in history, but it works and ties the plot together. It resolves the love triangle, explains why Leia was able to sense Luke with the force at the end of Empire and who the “other” Yoda was talking about was, gives Luke motivation to attack Vader (which is why any ROTJ fan edit would fall apart), allows for the existence of Kylo Ren (at least as Han and Leia’s son rather than Luke’s), etc. Even watching just the first movie, there’s nothing that contradicts it. Does it seem like kind of a crazy coincidence that they would happen to meet like that in such a large galaxy? Maybe (though not as much when you consider that they were connected via Obi-Wan), but the entire Star Wars plot is built on such coincidences. You have to suspend your disbelief a little and just allow “the force” to explain some of this to enjoy these movies. Star Wars is a fantasy with magic steeped in mythological storytelling tradition, remember, not some kind of hard sci-fi based on realism.

Ryan-SWI said:

Density said:

I saw it. I did not notice a single change, certainly not a single sound effect or lack thereof. And I sure as hell am not going to be losing any bleepin’ sleep over it. I was extremely satisfied with what I saw to say the least. No Lucasing around here. Just a beautiful copy of the film I saw in theaters that looked and sounded awesome. Will be paying for it as soon as they’ll let me.

Literally was just mentioned that there may have been different sound mixes used for various cinemas, meaning that just because the BD resembles what you saw/heard in the theater, it doesn’t mean it’s the same for everyone.

OK, well, the original films (first two at least) also had different sound mixes for different prints/theaters. With far more noticeable differences than the one you described that might not even exist…

God did that movie suck. Whoever shot this cam must have been a real pro because I wouldn’t have been able to keep the camera still out of a combination of compulsive laughter and facepalming.

I saw it. I did not notice a single change, certainly not a single sound effect or lack thereof. And I sure as hell am not going to be losing any bleepin’ sleep over it. I was extremely satisfied with what I saw to say the least. No Lucasing around here. Just a beautiful copy of the film I saw in theaters that looked and sounded awesome. Will be paying for it as soon as they’ll let me.