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#1404293
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(The Last Jedi) The Legacy of Grand Master Luke Skywalker | A Legends Cut [Workprint Released]
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Acbagel said:

Delpheas said:

Very excited to watch this and HttF, and really intrigued to see how you fix TRoS’ mess of new material and badly done Legends references.

Excited to see how my cuts change the experience for you, for better or for worse!

One of the reasons I’m taking a bit of a break before starting TRoS is one, to rest after putting nearly 100 hours of work into TFA and TLJ, and two, to take time to watch other Ep. 9 edits and gather my own ideas. I think TRoS has less potential for Legends fixes than TLJ did, so while I have some big picture ideas for my next edit, I still have a lot of research and planning ahead before I even open my editing software.

In TLJ I was able to flip character motivations and arcs, but in TRoS it’s going to be more about managing the saga/lore destroying themes… I have plans for Leia, Kylo and Rey, but there’s still a lot I need to process. Ep. 9 is my least watched Star Wars film at only 3 completions, so I need to get a better grip on JJ’s story before trying to transform it into my own.

I suggest watching at least Resurgence and the No Palps edit for TRoS, just for two very different approaches to making changes. There are a few things in TRoS that draw on Legends plot points, like the hidden fleet, force clones, a revived Palps, even Rey’s parentage, but just pulling random pieces of lore and smooshing them together doesn’t make for good callbacks and doesn’t make up for the lack of showing Rey’s victory as a balancing of the light and dark.

I haven’t watched HotF or FotJ yet, but I havee skipped around to look at some of the big changes.

  1. Luke constantly saving Leia is excellent, it establishes him as a character who cares deeply but has succeeded in basically every way that his father failed. He was able to hold his attachments lightly enough to do what needed to be done to maintain balance, but not so lightly he forgot to care. And the way you implement these changes is really strong.

  2. When Rey arrives I would trim the lingering shots on her face and hand as she’s holding the saber to Luke. We already saw those in the vision in the last film, so I think this sequence would be helped by having her walk up and hand it to him sooner.

  3. I appreciate what you’ve done to remove the movie’s ridiculous attempt to have the entire plot fallout in like 3 days. A huge part of TLJ’s (and TRoS) problem was the pacing and it’s helped quite a bit here.

  4. I wonder if it is necessary to keep Luke’s line “I will not be the last Jedi.” Him saying it at all goes against both his and Kylo’s insistence that what came before has to be surpassed, and in TLJ was certainly used to show that he had decided he was wrong about the Jedi. Though I am intrigued by his saying while showing Kylo a shot of Jedi Leia.

  5. Finn and Rose’s plot is much helped by trimming Canto Bight and using some of their deleted material.

  6. Keeping Kylo as the big bad is a good idea and well executed. It helps with this feeling less like an irreverent rehash of ESB and RotJ and more like it’s own solid Star Wars film.

  7. When Luke is fighting Kylo and we get the shot of him in the WbtWs, I think their needs to be a shot where we see him meditating on the island and then it melts away to reveal the WbtW and he gets the blue tint of the Force Ghost. This way there’s some intro for people unfamiliar with Rebels and the WbtWs, it could be assumed he’s ascending, that he’s become one with the force without dying simply because he’s so powerful. And the blue tint provides visual continuity with his appearances in the next film. And we’ve already seen him helping out, so as you said above there is no big reveal that he can. So this final one needs some more oomph on his end.

Anyway, those are a bunch of my thoughts. I’ll be more thorough once I’ve been able to watch both films back to back.

Thanks for your hard work!

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#1392420
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The Clone Wars: Refocused - A new holistic approach inspired by the Mandalorian [FIVE EPISODES RELEASED]
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Regarding Fall of the Republic, I actually ditched the idea of the days and just have it cut together in the traditional way.

I also know it seems odd to cut back and forth between animation and live action, but it’s not that weird really.

As for cutting it into episodes, totally for that too.

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#1391506
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The Clone Wars: Refocused - A new holistic approach inspired by the Mandalorian [FIVE EPISODES RELEASED]
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Just dippeed into this, and it looks really great. Eddie there’s a number of excellent ideas and I love how you’re working with the ideas of the community as well. My older brother would probably really like the Mandalorian cut. Though I’m much more of a completionist myself, and Ahsoka is my fave so…

As I said in my PM, feel free to look at what I did for my Fall of the Republic edit for the finale. 😃

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#1390994
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Fall of the Republic - The Clone Wars/Revenge of the Sith NCC (V1 Available)
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I was actually getting ready to post that this is basically finished!

Because NFBisms’ cut is “unfinished” and in 720p, with a standard stereo mix, I won’t be doing a 1080p/5.1 surround release, so take that however you will.

I’ll have it available hopefully by the end of the weekend, and yeah, I’ll message you Eddie.

As for changes to RotS, I’ve mostly left that footage untouched aside from the changes inherent in NCC. I trimmed a few bits and pieces here and there to help with the integration of the Clone Wars scenes. It’ll all be in the change list which should appear in the OP in a day or two.

I did decide not to include Sidious’s “Day of Revenge” dialogue over the march on the temple. It works nicely if the march on the temple happens immediately after he says “We will have peace”, but NCC rightly moves Vader’s temple attack to after his visit to Padme.

I’ll probably also do a “Padme lives” alternate ending, but that’s not a priority for me.

I’m excited to actually release this! I’ve never felt like I had a releasable edit before. 😃

I hope folks enjoy it.

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#1385756
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Fall of the Republic - The Clone Wars/Revenge of the Sith NCC (V1 Available)
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It only doesn’t make sense when strictly compared to the comics, but it isn’t, imo, that much of a stretch to believe that Bail Organa and Padme couldn’t come up with a story of her survival that would keep them safe from the Emperor/Darth Vader.

According to Leia her birth mother died early in her life anyway, so it doesn’t bother me.

My ending goes like this:

-Birth of Twins/Darth Vader
-Bail/Kenobi/Yoda discuss next steps
-Ahsoka and Rex finish burying the Clones
-Yoda goes to Dagobah
-Bail and Padme go to Alderaan
-Kenobi goes to Tatooine
-Vader finds Ahsoka’s lightsaber
-Obi-Wan’s warning to the Jedi plays over the credits

I might consider an alternate ending, but I plan on pairing this with my own version of RotJ where we see Padme’s funeral while Leia’s talking about her mom being sad, pretty, and dying.

I’m touching it up, but since the last workprint of the ROTS: New Canon Cut seems to be the final version, this edit will probably only ever also get a polished workprint. Hopefully before the end of 2020, or as a January release.

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#1376130
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Fall of the Republic - The Clone Wars/Revenge of the Sith NCC (V1 Available)
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So I to finally got around to updating the NCC footage to the most recent revision, which led to one or two changes in the scene order that I really like.

As an experiment I added Sidious’s “Day of the Sith” Voice Over to the Temple March and Kenobi’s warning to the Jedi to the credits.

I’ll go through it this next week and put together a a new version of the cutlist to share here.

Stylistically I am flirting with three things:

Two versions of the 3 1/2hr film:

  1. Having title cards throughout that “separate” the film into Days 1-5, with Day 5 being “Empire Day”

  2. No title cards, just normal flow.

Or

  1. Splitting the film into 2 parts around 1hr 50min each, with no title cards.
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#1376128
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Revenge of the Sith (The New Canon Cut) [DRAFT AVAILABLE]
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EddieDean said:

Skybatman said:

Did you plan to take your edit, and make a fan edit with Clone Wars ?

If NFB doesn’t do this, then I absolutely will once NFB’s is complete.

I’m actually working on that, if you wanna check my thread:

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Fall-of-the-Republic-The-Clone-WarsRevenge-of-the-Sith-Prequel-Finale-Edit-Clips-available-rough-draft-coming-a-WIP/id/74382

😃

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#1376127
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Idea: Non film/tv edits? (any interest in a Dark Disciple audiobook?)
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It kinda went on pause as other things took over my life, but I’m trying to finish up my CW/RotS edit and then I want to get this finished.

I have it broken up into the individual “episodes” I just have to add the Clone Wars opening fanfare and end credits music to the episodes and then test them on my beta watcher/listener.

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#1365945
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Fall of the Republic - The Clone Wars/Revenge of the Sith NCC (V1 Available)
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I am. Took a bit of a break while waiting for a more final version of NCC, only just recently got back to working on it. Then there us the additional hurdle that since I want to release on FanEdit.org I really want to wait the seadonn7 blu-ray release.

On the project development note, I will probably be splitting the edit into a Part I and Part II, as I would prefer to avoid a 3 1/2 to 4hr movie.

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#1361226
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Revenge of the Sith (The New Canon Cut) [DRAFT AVAILABLE]
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I really really love having the Balcony scene before Order 66, and then having him killing the younglings.

I’ve always felt that scene as a loss, and this change makes it work for me.

(And I’m a little biased here, but I think it would help with the flow of Order 66 in my edit.)

And as said having Anakin’s crimes at the temple be the turning point in his characterization makes so much more sense than his slaughter of the separatists.

I really thought I it is an excellent change and works really really well in melding the two Anakins. And giving us a truly fallen man.

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#1347476
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Revenge of the Sith (The New Canon Cut) [DRAFT AVAILABLE]
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I think you could make the new rough version work. I personally quite like it, and keeping Anakin’s explicit authoritarianism is helpful for Padme’s turn as long as you have no plans on having Obi-wan outright tell her earlier that Anakin killed other “jedi”.

In the workprint I have, Padme’s “yeah i brought him hear to kill you” reaction is great, but at this point the audience had not been privy to Padme hearing about or witnessing behavior from Anakin that she finds murderously objectionable. Even his short rant about ruling the galaxy with her, on the context of saving her life, goes a long way towards fixing it.

I think Obi-Wan visibly being there the whole time is great. Though I wish there was a way for the exchange about Obi-wan wanting to help/knowing about them to feel less clunky, cus Anakin already knows Obi-Wan knows and I know Padme just found out Obi-wan knew, but it still feels weird to me.

There’s a moment where Anakin looks up at Obi-Wan and he’s just standing there, it cuts back to Padme/Anakin and back to Obi-Wan who is now walking down the ramp, and I think it could help the visual flow if the first time Anakin looks up at him he is walking down the ramp.

And I’m in agreement with some of the other posters now, “I’m so sorry” feels weird where you have it. I wonder it might work after the fight?

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#1346604
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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Neerb said:

jonh said:

just adding in the opening, something that kylo has found the wayfinder …

Don’t even do that. Just keep the crawl ideas already going around about him searching for power or whatever. All we know initially is why he goes to Exogol, not how.

On Ajan Kloss, Rey learns that a wayfinder is needed to get there, beginning the search.

On Pasaana, Lando says that two were made, and he and Luke were just tracking one of them.

On the Death Star II, Kylo destroys Rey’s wayfinder and says “The only way you’re reaching Exogol is with me.”

Finally, on Ach-to, Luke tells Rey she already has what she needs, and Rey digs Kylo’s wayfinder out of his ship, repeating “two were made.”

I never got why that last part seemed so odd in the theater, but I’m just now realizing it’s because the audience knew from the beginning that Kylo had a wayfinder, and Rey never knew until Luke suggested it to her. I didn’t realize while watching that Rey didn’t know, and so my reaction was “how did Rey not think of this earlier?”

By removing Mustafar and Kylo’s nebula navigation, however, now the audience learns Kylo had one at the same time that Rey does, making it a twist reveal, although not too cheap of one since there are hints for the audience to guess scattered in the dialog throughout the movie.

How exactly Kylo got the wayfinder may seem confusing to people, but it’s a Sith artifact and we know Palpatine’s been talking to Kylo in his head, so it’s not hard to use your imagination. And really, the original movie never explains how he learned:

  • the wayfinder’s location
  • what a wayfinder even is
  • why exactly he even needed it

so we’re really just moving the goalposts and sparing the audience some extra headache.

Bringing this back in, because along with starting the film with Kylo either arriving at Exogol or navigating there, I think these are excellent points. We should find out about the 2nd wayfinder when Rey does.

Additionally, the shot of the fleet rising from the water or whatever absolutely needs to be later in the film. At the start all we need to know is Kylo found Palps and Palps has promised him more power, which Kylo grudgingly accepts. Maybe we know he wants Rey dead, maybe we don’t yet. But the fleet reveal at the start is what killed the tension for me. We shouldn’t know exactly what Palps plans for the galaxy are quite yet.

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#1346218
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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idir_hh said:

This guy’s Mustafar test from the radical redux thread is amazing.

LILIAN02230 said:

Hello There! here is an unfinished test to place the battle of Mustafar in TLJ, I have an idea behind my head with the voice of Vader, so that he guides Kylo to him to link the line “finish what you started” with the he story of Palpatine pulling the strings, to me it is more important that this revelation is made just after the death of Luke.

https://vimeo.com/419658296

That’s fucking wild. And to think that is partly video game footage. I wonder what else BFII could help with.

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#1345907
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Info: TROS Edit Opinions Poll - RESULTS & ANALYSIS
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Thinking about Ben’s story.

I do think that in any version of this film where Ben is “redeemed”, him going to live in exile is a strong choice.

But I can’t help but wonder if his redemption is the right choice? He literally does nothing in the movies to earn a redemption. He never makes up for what he’s done, the billions of people he had killed remain dead and he makes no attempt at reparations or restitution. We never get any apology, recognition of wrongdoing, nothing…

I was a Rey/Kylo shipper until this film as for me that ship was predicated on Ben actually doing anything to make up for his evil deeds. As it is in the film he doesn’t even speak after his “redemption”, I just feel like we’re missing a lot of his story after he throws away the vader saber.

Which makes me want to cut it altogether. Just have him be dead after Rey stabs him.

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#1345773
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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Movies Remastered said:

thebluefrog said:

Any official reason why they refuse to release those scenes?

Nothing official but I feel Disney was going to do a cashgrab and release an extrended version blu-ray at some point. They did delelted scene for every other movie but TROS. So frustrating!

That’s my theory. Disney has always had deleted scenes, and Lucasfilm too, it’s definitely a cash grab for the eventual extended directors cut

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#1345394
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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Movies Remastered said:

idir_hh said:

Continuity error with Rey and the saber.
https://i.redd.it/0eju4uoy3jy41.jpg

Has anyone managed to edit this out yet? I’ve been trying but can’t seem to find a fluid cut. I didn’t really like either of those Leia scenes tbh but I’ve already had to cut a few of her scenes.

The easiest thing to do is just cut out the back and forth with the lightsaber so that Rey holds onto it the whole time, that’s the most thematically consistent with TLJ anyway. There’s no reason for her to suddenly feel unworthy of a lightsaber she’s been using for a full movie already.