Ah gotcha. Thank so much for all your help with this. I want my Hobbit fanedit to be at its best shape so this really helps. Sorry for all the questions, but I do have one last one. Would an HDR passthrough capture card suffice for viewing HDR or would I have to go for one of the Blackmagic devices? I don’t really use resolve that often and primarily use Premiere Pro CC for my basic color needs.
Ok now I have an HDR display, but windows is not allowing me to show HDR properly. The best I can do is turn on HDR effect on my display, but that’s the best I am able to do for now. Is there any way to figure out how to get HDR up and running? I have an LG 27ul600-w and the laptop I am running it off of is a Asus ux550ve
In order to export in HDR you need to do the color grade in HDR. Which I doubt you’re able to do accurately unless you have a very very very expensive reference monitor, like the Sony BVM-X300 or the FSI XM310K. Or an Apple Pro Display XDR, if you’re on the cheap end. 🙂
Unless you’ve made a fanedit without any regrading, in which case you can leave all of the original HDR grading.
Ooooof, well that blows
Here’s a shot with the heavy grain preset I made for a previous TPM clip, which is how I prefer it, though I understand many here don’t like that much grain as have previously discussed. Full clip tomorrow.
I made some more changes today that I think improve it, although less purist to a theatrical print from 2005. Mainly I messed around with the contrast and curves to remove the dated digital look and give it a more modern digital look before adjusting colors to be closer to the 5207 stock the sequels were shot on. Hopefully that comes across in this image.
Also still having issues tonemapping the HDR highlights down correctly, but it should be acceptable for a Beta.
Hey that looks awesome!!! What program are you using to get the film grain effect?
I have a question for HDR exporting. When you are using the lut in premiere and doing an edit, what settings should I use to make sure that the video is exporting as HDR properly and not exporting just a REC.709 color space from the lut?
I’m using premiere pro cc and I’m wondering what the best format for exporting would be so I’m not loosing any video quality with the 3D image? Should I export two files or would it just be more ethical to export one full sbs image?
Hey there, so a quick update. The edits are finished in a very rough form, however, since corona impacted the world and I have time to kill, I bought the 4k editions of The Hobbit and plan to edit them again with a 7.1 mix in premiere and export it out to a 5.1 mix. I’ll keep you all posted
Keep in mind this is the result of a lot of work on a very red faded print. The first and last reels (not shown here) need more done to them.
Ah, gotcha gotcha. Do you think if it wasn’t faded, it would look similar to the 4k bluray or would be more of a cooler temp? I’m curious if that restoration is more white balanced corrected or not.
I’m surprised at how warm the color temp for the film stock is overall! It’s like the Overlook is more inviting than ever before, creep tastic 😃
Nice! Going from this one:
Hmm, I think the skin tones like a tad bit undersaturated, but that’s not counting the variables of the lens flare from the lake and how low digital cinema cameras captured bit rate. Would they look more natural in a different shot, like the scene where Anakin says the infamous “Sand” quote, or about the same?
This is just my own wishes, but I think it would’ve been interesting if they said that the dyad could’ve been a manifestation of that balance. And when Rey, one half of the dyad, died, imagine the spirit of Anakin appearing and bringing her back to life, finally having the power to save someone from death, and restoring the “balance”.
Sorry, I just read this and I think you have nailed it. This would have been a much more fitting end to the trilogy as well as the saga.
Regardless of Lucas’ opinion on it, I like the idea of a prophecy being misinterpreted. The more I think about it though, I kind of wish bringing balance had less to do with destroying or killing someone, and more about saving or creating something. What if destroying the Sith wasn’t the prerequisite for bringing balance, but the Jedi just assumed that’s what bringing balance meant.
That’s exaclty what I thought. Even though Rian Johnson left a lot of fans and disney execs confused how they would conclude the saga / trilogy, I think just having a movie of Rey vs Kylo battling each other and coming to some realization that balance comes from an actual grey area, not some big good and evil. Not trying to say it should with everyone sing kumbaya, more that Rey creates a new order that teaches all aspects of the force, showing the good and bad in both ideals. Therefore making the prequels and original trilogies relevant with the sequel trilogy as well.
It might not have been in line with the other movies or could come off as cheesy, but it could work if JJ or Rian (or a new competent director entirely) actually collaborated with Lawrence Kasdan, possibly George.
Broom Kid said:
“Rey, I have to tell you something!”
“What were you going to tell me?”
“I’ll tell you later”
“Hey, what were you going to tell Rey”
“I’m not going to tell you, I’m going to tell her.”
“Oh no, I felt Rey die. I didn’t get to tell her!”
“OH LOOK, REY IS ALIVE. ISN’T THAT NICE. GUESS I’LL NEVER TELL HER WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT WAS LITERALLY SO IMPORTANT IT’S BASICALLY THE ONLY PLOT THREAD I HAVE IN THIS MOVIE”
Canto Bight reads like Upton Sinclair compared to that.
This is too hecking accurate
- Empire Strikes Back, 9/10
- Force Awakens, 9/10
- Star Wars, 8/10
- Last Jedi, 8/10
- Return of the Jedi, 7/10
- Solo, 6/10
- Rise of Skywalker, 5.5/10
- Rogue One, 5/10
- Phantom Menace, 5/10
- Revenge of the Sith, 2/10
- Clone Wars, 2/10
- The Holiday Special, 1/10
- Attack of the Clones, 1/10
Lots of these movies are based on the emotional highs as a fan I got from the films. I definitely think that Last Jedi while extremely flawed had some excellent payoffs and an ending I thought was one of the best. Phantom Menace was more digestible and felt more well-paced on my most recent watch, while the other prequel films were nothing but pain. Oddly, I started to enjoy Jake Lloyd’s performance more, just thinking about how George didn’t know what he was doing directing child actors. Rise of Skywalker was eh, one or two emotional highs, but poor pay off for a lot of factors. It screams underdeveloped. One of my screenwriting pals said Last Jedi felt like it needed a rewrite and it would be fine. Rise felt like it needed a finished draft and it would be slightly adequate.
Revenge of the Sith is a meme movie at this point. Clone Wars Movie (love the show) is butt ugly to look at and the story feels like an extended Rebel’s fluff episode for babies than a more grounded episode of Clone Wars. I have fun watching The Holiday Special since it is just a horrible mess that is an overwhelming cringe-fest to the senses. Attack of the Clone is nothing but pure pain to me. I’d rather have my nails pulled out than watch one more moment of those stupid love scenes or any of the atrocious writing and plot that go absolutely nowhere. I’d say that as much as people say that Phantom Menace should be skipped for marathons, I think this one has nothing in it whatsoever. At least you got to see where Anakin came from in Phantom Menace instead of just faffing around for two and a half hours with no discernable end-goal.
Got out of it and I’m kinda mixed. I am a JJ Abrams fan admitedly, but there so much that was so clearly rushed. It felt like he was blue balling with moments of tension, leaving me feeling nothing for the final battle scene. It’s like he watched Return of The King and said “YES that but Star Wars” and it just didn’t work. Stuff with the skywalker family I liked. Stuff with Rey (whom I adore as a character up until this film) was kinda bad. It felt like JJ was trying to jerk off the fans with her story and it just shows. I wasn’t a big fan of Endgame for similar reasons as TROS, but at least Endgame was a clean narrative that new where it was going, even it wasn’t presented that well in my opinion. Disney in general can fuck off at this point as well since they are just baiting the fans for all the franchises at this point. I liked the last five minutes of the film and maybe the scene of Ben’s memory of Han. The implacations where enough for me to say it was the one subtle thing they actually did well. Rey and Kylo’s kiss was fucking cringe, it just didn’t feel earned and their relationship never struck me as remotly romatic or sexual (curious if you all agree or disagree with this, love to hear your thoughts). Overall, it was big eh for me. Right there with Rogue One and Solo for too much fan service and not really thinking beyond the limits of the previous movies. 5.5/10
Oh would you look at that, I’m having a heart attack because of how beautiful those frames look now. Excellent work Dr. Dre!!!
One small thing, does Bespin’s hallway color lean more on red from your sources?
It makes sense that this reel looks so yellow, considering that the SE was timed to the Tech print in George’s possession and the Tech prints look very yellow here as well.
If that is the case, would one be able to get a closer theatrical look with a simple white balance or would it require more color passes than that?
“Question is who was the master” behind the mold?
Jedi Master Skywalker said:
i meant to day it could be legacy not saying it is legacy
Legacy is great, but I’d be hoping for something sourced from better materials than release prints.
Anyway, no-one at Lucasfilm seems interested in the OUT, the merger with Fox would solve some distribution problems, but it doesn’t give any real change to the motivation of Disney/Lucasfilm to embark on an OUT restoration.
I hope that changes, but there seems zero interest within Disney to do it.
if they’d only hire you + mike + rob + dre + ohteedee + harmy to work with scans of negatives to rebuild the original films in 4k frame by frame, shot by shot, reel by reel…
the community will probably have to use whatever the next revamped/restored version they release to retail as a source for the next generation of preservation projects.
On top of that, if they got criterion involved, the preservation would be just 👌👌👌 flawless
For the most part. There was no signs of mold or any type of aging aside from dirt, dust, and one frame near the beginning that seemed damaged. According to this source and some others I saw, Chris Nolan had access to the original negatives and produced new prints in reopened kodak labretories in India.
I saw one of the screenings of the 70mm just last night. After I got back home, I checked my dinky galaxy s8 to see if the 4k restoration trailer from Chris Nolan was anywhere near accurate. I can say without a shadow of doubt, this is the most accurate film transfer I have ever seen. Of course the quality was lacking in terms or digital vs crystal clear (and stuttery) celluloid film. There is no revisionism in terms of white balance, crushed blacks or anything, except for an exceptional clean up job of dust and scratches. The old bluray definitely stinks of revisionism and modern standards of the time. I’m glad we had someone like Chris Nolan overseeing the whole thing. Wish we had someone just like that for the beloved original trilogy… 😒
I saw one of the screenings of the 70mm just last night. After I got back home, I checked my dinky galaxy s8 to see if the 4k restoration trailer from Chris Nolan was anywhere near accurate. I can say without a shadow of doubt, this is the most accurate film transfer I have ever seen. Of course the quality was lacking in terms of digital vs crystal clear (and stuttery) celluloid film. There is no revisionism in terms of white balance, crushed blacks or anything, except for an exceptional clean up job of dust and scratches. The old bluray definitely stinks of revisionism and modern standards of the time. I’m glad we had someone like Chris Nolan overseeing the whole thing. Wish we had someone just like that for the beloved original trilogy… 😒
You know, I think you are right.
They did utilise a lot of “found objects” during the production, and I think I have identified the source of the Bacta Tank.
It looks like a Black & Decker Spacemaster.
In just three minutes, we will all be enjoying hot jedi toasties!
If my experience with toaster ovens means anything, Han, Leia and Threepio are the ones at the highest risk of being toasted. Luke will come out vaguely warm.
Perhaps even… Luke warm.
groans well played… well played indeed…
I find it really funny that now all main color sources for tantive iv are all primary colors (Revenge of The Sith = Red, Special Edition 2011 Episode 4 = Blue, Dr. Dre 4k77 color grade = Green)
Put me down for Binary Sunset, thank you for all your hard work Poita!