DarthYcey

idir_hh said:

Here’s a little switch around I was thinking of. What if for a Ben lives edit we save Leia’s intervention and death for when Ben is about to resurrect Rey, it would make for a more meaningful send off for Leia as well as a nice way of keeping Ben alive.

For the Death star scene you could have a combination of Luke, Leia and Han appearing before Kylo with a v.o of “come home”.
Maybe something like RogueLeaders mockup of a faded Leia.

Someone had an idea like this some pages back (either here or the redux thread) using Leia’s ‘We can still save him’ line from TFA. Anyone know if Carrie Fisher says ‘her’ or ‘together’ or something we could frankenbyte? Ben does hold Rey for a long time thinking and mourning, plenty of time to insert some voices. It would seem fitting that Leia is there to help as her last act. It would certainly help justify keeping her body around until the end of movie. And maybe she even fades away after Rey is revived instead of during Kylo’s death.

RogueLeader said:

Random idea regarding Palpatine:

One gripe I’ve heard people bring up before is Palpatine committing the “Evil Gloating” trope when he tells Rey that if she kills him, his spirit will pass into her.

Palpatine: You want to kill me. That is what I want. Kill me, and my spirit will pass into you, as all the Sith live in me.

This may have been suggested before, but I was thinking this line could be moved to Kylo’s first scene with Palpatine, replacing Palpatine response after one of these two lines:

Kylo: I killed Snoke. I’ll kill you.

or

Kylo: You’ll die first.

I personally think it would fit better to replace Palpatine repeating the “to cheat death” line that doesn’t do anything beyond being a callback. Either way, I think this change would accomplish a few things. First, we get a stronger explanation and understanding of Palpatine’s true nature and means of survival at the beginning of the film rather than the end. Second, it provides a good reason for why Kylo didn’t just immediately kill him. And third, it creates dramatic irony during the climax, because we know what is at stake if Rey kills Palpatine, but she doesn’t. So hopefully the audience would react by thinking, “No no no, Rey, don’t do it he’ll possess you!”

RL, this is brilliant. I liked the idea so much I did a quick test. The timing for the Kylo part is perfect, and most of Palpatine is obscured anyway so you can pretty much put in whatever dialogue you want there and not have to worry about the lip movements matching:

https://vimeo.com/424408915
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Out of curiosity, I also rendered a clip of the Rey section with those lines removed and it works pretty well here too. Since Palpatine mentions Rey’s hatred in the next scene, cutting it here and leading into the empress line makes me not even miss the moved dialogue over to the Kylo scene. (P.S.- It’s not Rey ‘Palpatine’ in this version)

https://vimeo.com/424408966
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Exceptional creativity, man. This really does change some motivations, as you stated previously. Plus, it removes the prequel redundancy dialogue, which you really don’t need if you show Palpatine in the clone tanks. I don’t miss the callback at all by making the change. Well done.

JEDIT: It’s also interesting that going this route makes Kylo the true vessel. Palpatine has been grooming him for quite a while, but Kylo doesn’t want to be taken over, so he decides he’ll take Palps up on his offer instead…more ships, more power…all he has to do is kill the girl who is a threat to them both (and Palps would likely betray him later). This simple dialogue switch sets up motivations now for a good chunk of the movie and eliminates the silliness of Palpatine wanting Rey to kill him at the end of the film, seemingly out of the blue after he’s wanted her dead the whole movie. Now, we know much earlier why he wants this and that Rey is now Plan B with Kylo taken off the Sith board. Genius…

Yeah, the dagger is kind of useless once 3PO says to go to the Endor system. It’s pretty obvious once they see the DSII that it’s on there. 3PO even says ‘emperor’s vault’. But if you wanted to keep it, I think it would be better if the dagger activated the door to where the dagger is. No unnecessary and unrealistic goonies moment. Personally, I think you could cut around the dagger easily. Just cut Rey’s line about needing it and also Finn mentioning it to Chewie. Just have a voice get Rey’s attention. Could be one from her vision/her parents/whatever to make her want to investigate it more. All you have to do is get her into Kylo’s quarters somehow, following a voice in her head. Then she can come across the dagger coincidentally while she’s there.

axlanian said:

DarthYcey said:

Yeah, no problem. Btw, you’ll probably go a more conservative route with Mustafar, but thought I’d share a mockup I did to extend it and actually further Kylo’s arc beyond a minute long fetch for a holocron. If people could get permission from these guys to actually use the footage in their edits (I haven’t tried), it could be a very useful addition. I’ve made enough test edits at this point trying to fix issues, I should just start a thread and take a crack at doing the whole movie. haha

https://vimeo.com/423418971
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I feel like if the actual fight was trimmed more (and if Vader’s lines were cobbled together from actual James Earl Jones lines) this would work quite well. The vocal impression really pulls you out of the scene.

jordan_winter said:

DarthYcey said:

Yeah, no problem. Btw, you’ll probably go a more conservative route with Mustafar, but thought I’d share a mockup I did to extend it and actually further Kylo’s arc beyond a minute long fetch for a holocron. If people could get permission from these guys to actually use the footage in their edits (I haven’t tried), it could be a very useful addition. I’ve made enough test edits at this point trying to fix issues, I should just start a thread and take a crack at doing the whole movie. haha

https://vimeo.com/423418971
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This is absolutely fantastic! Overall I loved it and it really makes me sad that we didn’t get something of this level in the final cut. For the final movie in the Skywalker saga it makes me sad that the only call back to Vader (apart from the mask) was that one line on Exegol.

I do have a few nitpicks. First, the quality of the clips in the flashback are a little… off. I’m guessing this is due to the change in colour to try and get them to match TRoS?

The sound effects during the battle with the cultists either need to be ramped up or cut entirely.

The Star Destroyer that jumps out of hyperspace is a Final Order ship but then the TIEs are First Order flying towards Kylo’s destroyer. Bit confused by this, I’d maybe remove that Destroyer jump.

The fan film fight could probably be trimmed a little. Too much time with it and it’s becomes more obvious that it’s a fan film. I am surprised at how well it works though. Clever idea using the colour change and that clip of Kylo shaking his head chefs kiss

Otherwise though, bravo on some incredible editing!

Yeah, I actually cut almost a minute of the duel already…it’s quite long if you’ve seen the original. But I could see cutting even more of it to make the vision go by faster. The new Vader lines are from Battlefront 2, so obviously a different voice actor. And the destroyer jump is just temp (I know it’s a final order ship). The quality isn’t hi-res…it was mostly just a rough test to see if the concept would work. Appreciate the feedback!

Yeah, no problem. Btw, you’ll probably go a more conservative route with Mustafar, but thought I’d share a mockup I did to extend it and actually further Kylo’s arc beyond a minute long fetch for a holocron. If people could get permission from these guys to actually use the footage in their edits (I haven’t tried), it could be a very useful addition. I’ve made enough test edits at this point trying to fix issues, I should just start a thread and take a crack at doing the whole movie. haha

https://vimeo.com/423418971
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Hal 9000 said:

I should have written it down because now I can’t remember!! Who’s DarthYcey on vimeo? I wanted to ask if you’d be able to export a ProRes version of your sequencing of part 2 of the ghost-relevant scene.

It’s the sort of thing I normally wouldn’t mind just recreating from eyeballing it, but any timesaves are immensely helpful.

Actually, I sent jonh my newly-timed version a few days ago. I believe he’s working on exporting a high-quality version with that sequencing of shots. I didn’t have hi-res footage myself when I threw that together, which was really just a (successful) test of whether shots could be trimmed and/or rearranged to maintain the existing music.

joshuabri said:

Here is a quick mock up.
https://vimeo.com/422141075
Password: deathstar
Samuel Kim’s full track: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHxOg6zNg9Q

Bear in mind my edit is removing Palpatine and this acts as the final big showdown. It will be intercut with the fleet battle over Exegol so I will probably rescore each section individually for better timing of musical cues, nor did I bother smoothing the film’s audio where Finn and Jannah were cut.

Not bad, but if you’re looking to use Samuel Kim’s music for that final duel, you may want to consider something that is less prequel-specific. Here’s a version with Sam’s TROS Battlefront 2 mix that uses motifs from Kylo and Rey and seems to fit better IMO.

https://vimeo.com/422058008
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Eh, I’ve seen the Battle of the Heroes and DotF music mentioned multiple times here, but personally don’t know why we’d want to borrow a prequel-specific theme for the final Kylo/Rey duel. To me, this screams TPM and ROTS. It’s not like the main SW theme, or Force theme, etc. that’s been used across the whole saga. These are very specific to certain people and/or events and don’t come across as a good fit to me for this fight. For the hell of it, here’s a different take I just made that mixes in some Kylo and Rey motifs. See if you guys recognize the source. Seems like a better fit to me for the first half of the battle before JW’s The Final Duel music kicks in.

https://vimeo.com/422058008
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Movies Remastered said:

jonh said:

I personally would not add any more ghosts …
two on each side is perfect! 😃

My plans were to add everyone you heard the voice of but I feel you delivered an excellent scene and it works perfectly as it is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9q_32BFqGac

This was kinda cool the first time I saw it, but it’s really busy. I love the subtlety to jonh’s ghosts more and that they stay there to fight rather than just possess Rey.

Neerb said:

DarthYcey said:

Something like this…

https://vimeo.com/420549863
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As someone else mentioned in the thread, Poe and Rey just met at the end of the last movie and they unnecessarily go at each other’s throats the next time we see them onscreen. I really didn’t like this scene at all, especially because of the lightspeed skipping talk, but it works now I think with some clever edits.

That’s not bad, but maybe too short in an already jumpy opening (though Hal might say otherwise).

Personally, I enjoyed their bit of back-and-forth in the theatrical. It was a bit hostile, but it was nice seeing some kind of relationship between them, and Finn trying to calm the two down works well from what the audience knew from the last movies, which is that Finn is the mutual friend keeping the group together while Rey and Poe aren’t that close.

On that note, another problem (besides just the length and my personal preference) with that edit is that Rey and Poe both seem to be in a bad mood, and while Poe might just be shaken by his adventure and disturbed by the news, I’m not sure why Rey would be upset after having just calmed herself in her previous scene.

Yeah… Someone else is welcome to take a crack at it, but there’s so much lightskipping talk, and JJ loves his one-shot spinning camera, so there’s very little wiggle room to fake a transition. BB8 was a good spot to do it earlier with a reaction shot, and Rey’s final line is a perfect response to Finn mentioning the message, but I suppose you wouldn’t have to make that last cut if you liked all the bickering at the end. It just turned me off on the first viewing. It’s not like Rey isn’t doing anything…she’s training. I guess Poe thinks she should be out there doing more since the first time he saw her she was moving a bunch of boulders haha.

Hal 9000 said:

Ideally the mention of lightspeed skipping could be elegantly removed without losing the earlier or later portions of the scene. Ending the iceberg escape scene with the falcon entering hyperspace without TIEs would be ideal, save for effects or holes left later on.

Something like this…

https://vimeo.com/420549863
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As someone else mentioned in the thread, Poe and Rey just met at the end of the last movie and they unnecessarily go at each other’s throats the next time we see them onscreen. I really didn’t like this scene at all, especially because of the lightspeed skipping talk, but it works now I think with some clever edits.

krausfadr said:

DarthYcey said:

I’ve sent earlier versions of my “Leia Intervenes” edit over on Hal’s thread, but there doesn’t seem to be much interest in the idea for his film, so I’m posting the “final” version I just finished here in case others may find it useful.

In short, I always felt Leia should have had a larger role in Ben’s turn from the dark side, not just say his name to distract him. This edit re-imagines her role in his redemption. I’ve restructured and re-scored some parts to make the changes mesh together well. Kudos to Cinefy for the inspiration on Ben’s ‘toss the saber’ music. This also includes parts of DominicCobb’s new Rey Vision. Hope you like it…

https://vimeo.com/420145483
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I like having Han be what distracts Ben during the fight. I would just make the first cut to him very brief. Then remove that same shot of Han later, the one before he starts talking to Ben (maybe start with the wide shot of the two on the ledge). However delaying Leia’s death actually lessons the dramatic impact because then her reference has to be removed from Han and Ben’s conversation.

Yeah, good point about a quicker Han cut and using different shots – that should be doable. But, in regard to the Leia references during the talk, they are gone for two reasons… A) the most obvious is that Leia hasn’t passed yet, so saying she’s gone obviously is wrong, but also B) Han talking about everything she stood for, etc. comes across as Leia being a little too full of herself (considering in this version it’s Leia doing a projection and talking about herself, not Ben not reliving a memory on his own). That dialogue works better in the original scene for the opposite reasons, but not in the way it’s been re-cut. Thanks for the feedback!

I’ve sent earlier versions of my “Leia Intervenes” edit over on Hal’s thread, but there doesn’t seem to be much interest in the idea for his film, so I’m posting the “final” version I just finished here in case others may find it useful.

In short, I always felt Leia should have had a larger role in Ben’s turn from the dark side, not just say his name to distract him. This edit re-imagines her role in his redemption. I’ve restructured and re-scored some parts to make the changes mesh together well. Kudos to Cinefy for the inspiration on Ben’s ‘toss the saber’ music. This also includes parts of DominicCobb’s new Rey Vision. Hope you like it…

https://vimeo.com/420145483
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Neerb said:

NeverarGreat said:

What if he turns and sees the image of Han, then he drops his saber and the scene continues. Then afterwards he has the Han memory scene.

Now that’s an idea… it wouldn’t interrupt the existing scenes too much, but still have that implication of Leia’s involvement. Combined with Leia’s body disappearing after Han disappears, I think that could maybe work. Of course, if Leia’s disappearance is moved up, that does mean any other scenes with Leia’s body need to still happen before the Han conversation begins.

Broom Kid said:

FWIW: I think moving Leia’s body disappearing to immediately after reaching her son is a decent idea. I’ve never at all liked the idea that Leia effectively dies when her son does, but her corporeal body just lays under a sheet for the next half hour of the movie. It’s such a weird way to “pay homage” to Carrie Fisher and Princess Leia, by using the suggestion of her dead body as not much more than set dressing.

If her body disappears just before she distracts Ben, it removes that sort of distasteful use of the character from the film, AND it makes Maz’s explanation of what’s even happening with her a little more coherent - we literally see it take “all she has left” to do that.

If Leia disappears right after Kylo throws his saber, I’d be fine restoring Rey’s ‘Leia’ reaction because then the sheet dropping later does give the allusion that Leia was still around helping Ben to turn with the Han projection, even though she passed from the physical world earlier. That also solves the problem of having Leia’s body stick around until the end of the movie. I still think it would be interesting to show Han standing there before Ben drops the saber to really sell his surprise. There’s a lot of time of Ben just looking back there. Also, moving up the other Leia body scenes would give Kylo more time to breathe and ponder things before Han shows up.

NeverarGreat said:

DarthYcey said:

https://vimeo.com/419974604
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That’s really nice.

I wish there was a way to have the Han memory happen before the fight in some capacity, as if the fight is really about Ben working through his guilt. His dropping the saber at the end would then be the point of his turn. What if he turns and sees the image of Han, then he drops his saber and the scene continues. Then afterwards he has the Han memory scene.

Just some thoughts.

Yeah, that was my last version, except I used the whole Han convo until the saber dropped, then it proceeds as normal. I like the idea of showing Han there for a second and he drops the saber, but it may seem really awkward getting back to the convo later unless we just wave it off as ‘Well, son, I’m back to talk now’. I don’t know though, it could work. That would certainly sell it more why he’d drop the saber…he’s shocked to see his dad. And for the amount of time he’s looking behind himself, it does give the implication that someone is standing there, not that he’s just staring off looking to see if he can see Leia.

Neerb said:

Rey’s initial shock at Leia’s death is too important to cut. Her realization that she just inadvertently took advantage of Leia’s death to get a cheap shot in on her son, her tearful little moment with the wounded Kylo. Her decisions to heal Kylo and to go into self-exile both hinge on this moment, because she realizes how dark she just went and that Kylo did in fact still have some good left in him (an idea she mostly abandoned after her failure in TLJ, hence the TLJ callback in this scene with “I did want to take Ben’s hand”).

Keeping Leia alive longer only lessens the impact of her death, and I don’t think it’s worth it just to explain Han’s appearance as a magic trick. If we really want to imply that Leia was directly responsible for Han’s appearance, my recommendation would just be to move the disappearance of Leia’s body to be after Kylo tosses his lightsaber (instead of its original placement after Kylo’s corpse disappears).

Man, there’s just no pleasing you haha j/k. I bet I could still keep Rey’s reaction in there, just cut the ‘Leia’ part. Arguably, she could still have that dark moment realization without Leia dying, and still want to heal Kylo. I don’t think Leia dying in that moment has to happen to make this work. And I did think too about moving up her body fading into the Force. If you think Leia sticking around to conjure up Han takes too long, then it’s definitely too long to wait for the Exogol conclusion for her to join the Force. I don’t think it’s unrealistic that her laying down was actually her just getting into a more comfortable position to begin the Han thing. Again, people may disagree, but Leia saying ‘Ben’ shouldn’t kill her. Force users communicate and sense things like that through the Force all the time without dying. A Luke-esque act like projecting someone across the galaxy is what would realistically kill her. Again, no disrespect meant…appreciate the honest feedback.

Anakin Starkiller said:

Cinefy said:

I rescored Han Solo’s cameo / Ben Solo’s redemption to have a more Skywalker feel, did this back when the HDR released.

I used the theme from the Phantom Menace when Anakin is freed from Slavery, feels like a really beautiful call back and flows perfectly with this scene, especially being that Ben Solo is the last Skywalker it felt just right, the Saga begins with Anakin being freed to this track and now it ends with Ben Solo being freed from the darkside.

Rescore Test: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQt906lt7-U

I’m curious to see how well this blends in with the rest of the scene, as the original had music. Is the dialog on an isolated channel?

Alright, I have to admit the emotional music change here by Cinefy worked much better than I would have thought, and actually inspired me to go back and try one more time. It really does symbolize a parallel back to young Anakin becoming “free”. I still think Leia should have a more active role in Kylo’s turn to Ben, but I think I’ve found a compromise that may work.

In this version, the fight continues unbroken like some of you mentioned didn’t work before, except Rey interacts in real-time with Kylo – she won’t sense Leia’s death yet because it occurs later. I moved up the Palp/Pryde convo with a wipe as Palp immediately senses Leia’s interruption of Kylo killing Rey. Then, a wipe back to Kylo signifying he’s had some time to ponder. Han appears, but it’s a still-alive Leia projecting him. We have the emotional redemption music beginning as Leia passes, Kylo senses, R2 reacts, Rey senses, and finally there’s adequate time passage here for the Falcon to arrive back to the Resistance to also get the news. It finally ends with Rey on Ahch To throwing shit. I did have to lose the group shot around Leia though. I’ve always been sort of indifferent to Maz’s line there anyway, but the bigger issue for me is that I feel like that shot would have been better with our main players grieving her. Unfortunately, there’s no Rey/Poe/Finn/Chewie since they are offworld doing other stuff, so it didn’t bother me losing the shot. I could try to fit that shot in somewhere else though if people really liked it.

Anyway, the arrangement here combines all the emotional reactions from those who knew Leia. I really like now how it goes right from Chewie’s pain to Rey’s sadness/anger. In the film, I took it as Rey being more upset that she failed in her mission, not realizing the wayfinder Kylo destroyed wasn’t the only one (with the second being right under her nose in the ship she stole). Now, it’s not just that emotion that is drawn out here, but also her grief over Leia. To me anyway, this gives even more depth to Kylo’s ship now getting the brunt of her frustrations. Alright, enough talk, here’s the new clip…

https://vimeo.com/419974604
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Movies Remastered said:

Knight of Kalee said:

Are you talking about cutting the lightspeed skipping scene right? Why wouldn’t it work to delete it in your edit?

I’d really like to watch your version of the Mustafar sequence.

The soundtrack from the falcon scene going into a natural history forest extra scene with added forest sounds just doesn’t go at all. Leaving the lightspeed segment gives me the climactic crescendo that fades really well into the peaceful jungle scene.

I’m trying to set up a vimeo account but do you have to pay even for basic account? I thought it was like youtube years back.

A basic account is free, but you have a weekly upload limit of 500MB and a total limit of 5GB.

Seems like most of the talk these days is about fixing TROS, but I thought I’d share my ROTS edit I recently finished, in case anyone was interested. This combined edit merges in the parallel events from the Siege of Mandalore and presents a more powerful introduction into Order 66, among other other changes, as I blend in the Ahsoka/Maul arc to its conclusion.

The film still doesn’t use everything (a lot actually) from the final four episode-arc of TCW, so it still feels like ROTS, just with essential TCW material incorporated. In other words, it’s under 4 hours (2:52:00, if you stay through the credits – which I recommend you do)! 😉

Just a quick note, old grand Jedi Masters or elite Sith don’t use lightsabers, in my opinion, so you won’t see Yoda or Palpatine use them in this film. However, Yoda still confronts Palpatine in a Force duel, and I’ve made an interesting change to still incorporate Palpatine’s arrest sequence. There are other things you’ll just have to see for yourself.

If you’re interested, shoot me a PM or ask for one. Feedback in this thread is also welcome.

-Yce

Hal 9000 said:

I was perusing the review thread and saw a good point raised by NeverAr: Kylo shouldn’t have been able to take the TIE fighter from the Death Star II to Exogol, as ANH made clear that they do not have hyperdrives. Given that we see it for all of one shot, standing still, it should be feasible to replace with something else, like an Imperial shuttle or a TIE variant.

What I want to know is how he was able to get to Exogol at all. Rey took his actual interceptor with the wayfinder so did the first order come looking for him (after he told them he was facing Rey alone) and brought him a TIE to use that just happened to have a hyperdrive (I get the handwaved ‘experimental’ nonsense but that’s dumb)? Plus without the wayfinder, did he commit the path to memory having only been there once? Seems unlikely but the movie needed him to be there so he magically was. Lazy writing. Maybe they stored the path in some memory banks after Kylo returned from there the first time. Pryde and the other ships needed to know how to get there too after palpatine told them to come to Exogol.

The even lazier way would have been to just have him run into frame without showing the ship. Then at least you can use your imagination how he got there instead of getting into a debate how ships work. Just a lazy plot hole that really doesn’t have an ideal solution. But replacing with something that’s been established to be hyperdrive capable would be the best compromise here.

What would have been really cool is if Rey sensed his planned redemption and “dyad transported” him to Exogol. I admit the lightsaber transfer to take down the knights of Ren was a cool moment set up multiple times earlier in the film. But this would have been the most realistic way to get Kylo to Exogol as quickly as the movie does. It’s hard to see accomplishing this though in an edit without ruining the lightsaber transfer moment (where the technique hadnt been used since kijimi so it’s a surprise).

kewlfish said:

DarthYcey said:

https://vimeo.com/419416620
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I didn’t even see that you made your clip! Yours was way better than mine was!

Haha thanks. I’ve made a few versions today. Naturally there’s going to be some dissenting opinions but this arrangement makes the most sense to me personally, as I’ve explained in great detail.

jarbear said:

Also the topic of moving the Han scene with Kylo is interesting and I dod recall this topic some time back. I would need to sit on it and think, since I like it help bolster the idea of “Leia used all she could to project Han’s memory and not just saying “ben” and then die.” That aspect I like and all. But visually it doesn’t jive for me since Ben/Kylo is scarless. Unless someone “put back” his scar to rearrange it … it doesn’t work. A person can rationalize why he doesn’t have the scar for Reason A or Reason B during that sequence … but a person watching it would catch that.

It’s Reason A…it’s in Kylo’s mind/a vision, so I don’t think it’s a deal-breaker. 😃 In all seriousness, I’m not against someone restoring it if Hal wants to go that route, just seems like a lot of unnecessary work.

Anyway, as I mentioned, I’ve made a few more tweaks since that earlier clip. Now, Leia also says ‘come home’ before Han does, which is wedged in between her ‘Ben…’ and Han’s ‘Hey kid’. I also removed Han’s mention of ‘Kylo Ren is dead…’ since that probably works better if Rey’s already stabbed him. I toyed with a reverb too…may be unnecessary since Kylo actually talks about this convo being a memory but left it in this latest version for effect so you could hear what it sounds like – I think it works either way. Alright, here’s the extended clip, now leading into Kylo throwing the saber (to give you a full sense of the new sequence). Again, just some visuals for consideration:

https://vimeo.com/419416620
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specialk2121 said:

Leia does distract him. She’s not the one who redeems him, it’s Rey. Kylo starts second guessing his dark path after Rey “kills” him and then revives him. The “hallucination” of Han is a personification of Ben’s internal struggle. He’s reliving a memory of his darkest moment and realizing it could’ve gone differently.

I see what you’re saying, but I don’t think that’s enough. Kylo isn’t good again all the sudden just because someone he just tried to kill just seconds earlier decides to save him. Leia’s sacrifice proves the great lengths she and Han were willing to go to in order to bring their son back to the light. Rey can’t redeem Kylo, he needs to decide that for himself, and I think Leia and the Han convo actually is more effective in helping to move that along better. Rey just seals the deal by only wanting to take Ben’s hand, not Kylo’s. Again, just my opinion, no disrespect meant. Anyway, I’ve made a few tweaks since the earlier clip, so a new one is coming up shortly.

idir_hh said:

The only thing I would change though is the implication that Han’s just a memory, I personally didn’t like how he just forgives himself and suddenly he’s good again.

He’s interacting with the memory though…the idea is that Leia is basically making him re-live it because he felt so torn in TFA. He claims Han’s death set him free but you can tell he still has remorse. And he couldn’t pull the trigger on Leia in TLJ either. There’s still good in him apparently. Personally, I’m more a fan of irredeemable Kylo in the DOTF script, but TROS is what we got, so we need to make it work. If Kylo were to be redeemed, what’s the best and most feasible way to do it…? I just think it’s more impactful that Leia’s sacrifice had a bigger hand in his turn. Not just, ‘Well, Rey healed me and now my mom is dead. Oh, and there’s dad’. When I saw that in the theater for the first time, it didn’t land with me at all. Is his redemption earned regardless of how we edit this? That’s debatable. But Leia being the instrument here in making him re-face his hardest decision seems to have the most impact. And it gives more justification for why Rey would heal him. She senses it. Otherwise, why would she heal the guy that was going to kill her just seconds earlier…? It’s because she still feels he can come back to the light and is giving him that chance. Leia was trying to show Kylo that, as well…that it’s never too late to reject the dark path.

Anyway, that’s my two cents…just a visual suggestion, but Hal is free to go in the direction he feels is best. It’s primarily his flick after all as the editor/director. 😃

idir_hh said:

DarthYcey said:
https://vimeo.com/419340064
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Wow I never thought this idea would translate well on screen but you proved me wrong, now the scene is so much more impactful.

I just don’t buy Leia’s final act being ‘Ben…’. And then she dies. That took all her energy? It’s much more impressive and bad ass if she used up her energy to turn Ben away from the dark side. Projecting a Han memory is a Luke-esque feat, and a we’ve seen from the last movie that requires an enormous amount of energy. 😉