Darth Venal

Well, first of all, whoever said it was lightning? So why should it look like lightning?

Ghost:

I wan't these movies to feel brand new with nice effects not dark and dull visuals.

 

Well these movies are never going to look brand new. Ever. Because they were filmed in the 1970s and early 1980s. And sticking CG shots in that don't match either the film stock or photographic style achieves very little. "Dark and dull visuals" indeed.

Well I'm pleased I'm far from the only one who prefers the OT FX, dated as they may be.

What good is realistic lightning in the PT, or any of the "realistic" CG, when it's dramatically impotent? I don't care how apparently photo-realistic it is, it just does not register in the same way. That extended opening shot in Revenge of the Sith, yes, is technically brilliant. It's also boring. I'd take the opening sequence of Star Wars over that any day.

Ghost:

I think the force lightning should match what it looked like in ROTS.  That would make the most sense.

How so? Jedi was made a long time before, so why should the design be overridden by the prequels?

Dude that looks great, and actually would be achievable in the whole shot, I reckon. It does look a lot better.

It's not just the overuse of electricity/lightning that annoys me, it's the style of it, too. The new one is much better.

brash_stryker:

...I'm not so sure about the electrical effect on the ion blasts. In my mind, the electrical disturbance comes on impact.

Not a big deal though. :)

I agree.

An electrical disturbance is unlikely to be caused by an electrical blast travelling through space. Anyway, electricity wouldn't travel like that, and an ionic weapon would look like a laser/plasma blast, which is what it was already.

Still, if I don't agree with Ady's creative choice, I can at least take pleasure in the fact that it looks good.

I never really cared for that cue in Jedi, and while the new one is nicely done, it doesn't feel appropriate. And I'm always reticent to put PT music into the OT. Most of it is, tonally and melodically, completely unsuitable.

rcb:

lol. ur prolly right

Are you texting this in?

DarthBo:

 

Bingowings said:
I've got nothing against subtitles on non-English language movies when there's no action but films like Star Wars shouldn't be overly subtitled, otherwise you can't see the worlds for the reading.

How do you think people who don't come from english-speaking countries watch Star Wars?
Yes, with subtitles.

We learned to read fast you see.

I agree with Darth Bo and theslime, subtitles are no problem whatsoever for most people with the ability to read. And it's not as if action scenes have so much dialogue anyway, so that's very rarely an issue.

While it's possibly the poorest film in the series, Star Trek V (and VI to some extent) does do alien languages really well. Whenever members of a species are seen talking among themselves, they speak their own language and we read the translation. I think that's much, much smarter, classier even.

bkev:

 

Darth Venal said:
 
Great, let's flood Jedi with lots of completely distracting lens flares! Even when there aren't any lights off camera to cause them.

AWESOME!

He was poking fun at JJ Abrams. xP

Uh, no, he really wasn't. Angel loves lens flares.

Great, let's flood Jedi with lots of completely distracting lens flares! Even when there aren't any lights off camera to cause them.

AWESOME!

Monroville:

If I also recall, didn't Shmi mention that Owen was her brother, and that is why Obi Wan gave Owen Luke to begin with?  Of course, this conflicts with the ANH original story line that Owen was Kenobi's brother.

Well whatever the original ANH story is irrelevant, what ended up in the movie is, and there is no explicit indication whatsoever that Owen and Ben are related. In Attack of the Clones, Owen is clearly established as Anakin's step-brother - Owen's dad married Anakin's mother. So Anakin's son is Owen's nephew. Contrived as it is, that's how it is, Owen is indeed Luke's (step-) uncle. And it's Owen Lars, not Skywalker.

Monroville:

Then again, why didn't Vader know that Luke was his son in ANH, being that someone would have told him that the droids were owned by an Owen Skywalker, father of Luke Skywalker.

Am I misunderstanding your context, or are you saying Owen's name was Skywalker? And even if it were, why would Vader assume Owen had a son, and that that son was the son Vader didn't even know he had?

Hm.

One can always take Alec Guinness scenes from ANH and transparentize him, if that's possible.  Whenever he speaks, never show his face.

That's ridiculous. Any editor who would do that needs his hard drive erasing.

Well anyone willing to give that a go deserves points for trying. Personally, feelings of the change being unnecessary aside, I think the technical side of it is also going to be very difficult. Apart from the tricky job of rotoscoping Alec Guinness out of Dagobah, you've then got the added issues of Dagobah still being visible through him instead of Ben's house. And while you can animate the outline of Ben with Force energy and use the glow to hide the rotoscoping, it can't be done with Luke. It's a hell of a lot of work.

Good luck with it.

Okay, if that's what you really think, let's leave it there.

It's not just change for change sake, it's change to make the story make more sense.

That part of the story makes perfect sense. Jedi has many issues, but a slightly exposition-heavy scene isn't one of them. In 26 years I never heard a single complaint about the Dagobah scenes.

Anyway, I thought we were agreeing to disagree :-)

I didn't say it won't work, I said it's not necessary.

"If it ain't broke..."

I just don't find any of those reasons compelling enough to make such a substantial change. Luke only ever visited Ben's house once, and Ben was only there taking refuge and watching Luke, hardly a "place of power", as opposed to other places he's resided. 

I think all this circularity is very contrived. It can work in some stories, but Jedi is already too much of a rip off of Star Wars, so I think adding to that is just not a good idea. Why can't the conversation just take place on Dagobah?

There's just no reason to move it, unless you want to make a change for the sake of it.

But anything happening beyond the dialogue is implicit anyway, and I find it highly unlikely that Luke only constructs a new lightsabre at this point. A whole year of training without a lightsabre and then he races of into battle and managed to destroy Vader?

And you also have the problem that R2-D2 needs to have the lightsaber before Luke goes to the Palace. I don't remember any opportunity for R2 to collect it from Luke before that.

Also, a convenient out-of-the-way place for them to meet isn't necessary. Ben can appear to Luke anywhere he wants. I'm not saying I would dislike a scene taking place there, but it just seems a bit contrived and unnecessary.

That isn't what I said. I was saying that if someone were to make an edit with the same MO as Ady, which I think is the best approach, then the vast majority of what we discuss is redundant. And it is redundant because so much of what is discussed is about changing things because we want to, not because they need it, going by "if it ain't broke...".

Bingowings:

"Ady's MO from where I'm sitting is that "if it ain't broke don't fix it""

Agreed, which renders about 95% of what we discuss on here completely redundant :-)

I don't get why the conversation would take place in Ben's house at all. On Tatooine, before Luke goes to Jabba's Palace, sure. But why Ben's house? I don't think a Force "ghost" would have any reason to cling to its living domain, he's not a ghost in that sense, surely.

That was so bad it was actually pretty good.

Cap:

Venal, I was flattered when you asked me out, but now that I see how low your standards are, I no longer take it as a compliment.

I have no idea what anyone's talking about any more.

I don't think so.

Manipulated? Hehe that's exactly what you said, though.