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He may do that, he did it with the Ben/Vader fight in Star Wars. There's nothing wrong with the duels as such, just that the prequels had much better choreography and they make them look a little pedestrian.
The problem is that the red R2 unit is just riding next to C3PO and looks exactly like R2, just red. There isn't much else Adywan could have done; the only viable way of adjusting that scene would be to remove R2 altogether and then replace him at the front.
Bingowings is right, of course. We're all terribly pasty looking over here. The lack of UV makes us all pale and moody. By 2050 we'll be a nation of albinos.
One little thing I noticed, I think it's image 341 in the list of changes thread, where the Death Star is approaching and the underside of Yavin is in the top right of the frame, is that the Death Star's dark side does not match Yavin's. The underside of Yavin is lit, whereas the Death Star's is in shadow.
Adywan:
"Don't forget that sometimes less is more"
Indeed so, and that's why I won't be overdoing anything. An extended explosion, for sure, but beyond that, I don't think the scene warrants it or could carry it.
And Fishmanlee and Bingowings, the Death Star would have virtually no gravimetric impact on a body as large as Alderaan, so even if such effects were achievable within the scene, the reason for them is moot. And that whole idea is far too complex for Star Wars. It might work on Star Trek, but Star Wars is too "real world" for that sort of thing.
Yes, but Alderaan is a planet, probably Earth-size. The Death Star isn't even twice the diameter of Los Angeles, and it's a hell of a lot less dense. It's nothing like having another planet collide or near-impact, and it's really not the same as having sound in space. The sound is there for the benefit of the audience watching a movie, it is not presented as being present within the text. There is no suggestion that the laws of physics operate differently in this galaxy, and why would they? Technology is one thing, physics is another. Just because Star Wars is a fantasy, a space opera, doesn't mean it abandons all scientific knowledge. If it did that, the audience wouldn't be able to understand the universe it's in. I think having what is, for all intents and purposes, just a big space station cause some sort of gravimetric influence is over the top.
Anyway, the ultimate consideration is whether it works in the scene, and for the reasons I mention above and the interruption of momentum, it doesn't.
Never let the facts get in the way of a good story.
I'm not sure about that. There is allowing for the unknown possibilities of advanced technology in sci-fi, but I don't think people should be expected to put aside what we already know to be empirical facts just to excuse a set-piece in a movie. I mean, sure, the Death Star is colossal, but it's only a space station, made of metal alloys and other manufactured materials. And at 160km across, it's definitely heavy, but I'd like to think most of us know it's nothing next to a planet, or even an average moon. Some people seem to think it's okay to overlook the known laws of physics just because it's sci-fi, which I think is absurd, to be honest. I think requiring viewers to leave their brains at the door is one of the biggest insults a movie can give.
I'm sure it wouldn't have any effect. The Death Star is, what, 160 km across? It's unlikely to cause any disruption whatsoever to the planet. Our moon is approx 2,500 miles across and phenomenally heavier than the Death Star and that doesn't create massive tidal pull. Sure, it is the major factor in our oceans, but the lunar tidal pull is not at all violent, relative to other such influences in planetary systems. So the Death Star is unlikely to have any noticeable effect, and even less given the very short amount of time it's near Alderaan.
Well, that's adding way too much for the context of the scene, I think. You need to get the planet blown up and then cut to Ben on the Falcon. I think anything more than a few seconds extra and it's too long. And I don't believe the Death Star can fire many times in quick succession. A weapon that powerful surely must take some time to recharge. That's what happens in Jedi, otherwise the entire Rebel fleet would have been wiped out in a minute.
Actually, I think new dialogue would be pretty easy to fit. But otherwise, yes, the scene is totally redundant.
The puppet from Jedi would be virtually impossible to mix with the CGI.
I was of the thinking, and everyone I know was as well, that Jabba was not meant to be able to move very well. Hence his state in ROTJ. I believe the only reason he suddenly became mobile in 1997 is because there was no other way to make the scene work. Not that it worked very well anyway, but that's why. They did consider putting him on a very thing hover plate, with a sort of curved little railing at the bottom holding Jabba's belly in. I would have prefered that, if only because it would have maintained his natural immobility. And it also might have enable Jabba to spin around and remain face to face as Han walks around behind him.
But no, they went for the catastrophe we saw in 1997.
You're right! I totally forgot that! Remind me in more detail (I can't get to my DVDs for a while because of work).
How you doing, anyway?
Well, I for one would never use new footage of anyone who wasn't the original actor unless it was a long shot. It would be easier to add a CG tear to Carrie Fisher's face. I will examine the feasibility of all those things, both on the Death Star and on Alderaan, but most of them will just not be possible.
I might loop in new dialogue and do some snipping and actually not have Alderaan destroyed at all. I'll let them destroy Dantooine instead :-) Yay, Alderaan survives.
Anyway, all this is really asking too much of the original material. If we had raw footage to choose our own takes, you'd have completely different versions of Star Wars already, but we don't. We're really limited to and by the material available.
What I definitely can do is the expanded destruction of Alderaan, and I'm pretty certain we can tease out enough to give Leia some thoughts in her cell as the Death Star approaches. I'm not sure I want to change too much, otherwise we go too far down the road of unpicking the original.
TK99:
Awesome simply awesome shots and something I brought up with Ady and you hit on the head, short of plasma wave following the shock wave burning everything you created the exact image in my mind...so get out of there and uh ignore what the ladies are doing behind the curtain.
*blushes*
Well, I'm very pleased that it works for you. I will be experimenting with Leia, Bail Organa and different ways of putting more emotional depth into the scene. The main problem, and I suppose this limitation is self-imposed, is that I don't want to include anything that feels *too* far from the original style of the movie. There are certainly ways of putting more stuff in, but I neither want to completely rearrange/recreate the scene nor use editing techniques that don't match Star Wars. Example; I could put flash inserts over a shot of Leia to indicate she's thinking about the things that are about to be obliterated. In another movie it would work, but that sort of montage does not fit stylistically into Star Wars.
I'll see what I can do to get a good shot of Leia looking devastated (understatement!). And I might be adding the literal sound of thousands/millions of people screaming out, during the shot of the wave consuming the planet, and as it spreads around the screams diminish to nothing.
So many things to try, so little time...
Quiet, you.
;-)
Well, it's not just that, there has got to be feasible lighting and movement. And hairstyles are one thing, but they've got to look feasible for Star Wars. And CGing a costume onto non-Star Wars footage isn't easy.
I can't say the shot is important enough for all the effort it would take.
Chewtobacca:Back to square one. The original film.
Bingo.
I'll check out Dexter, but really, I wouldn't waste my time doing something that doesn't look very good. If there isn't any feasible footage, it's pointless. And he'd need to have his beard already, so if any of you know if he had it in Dexter...
But what footage would you use? Fan editors are restricted by the source material, unless you can get Jimmy Smits from something else, but there are all sorts of problems making it all work. You could possibly lift some of the footage from the end of Episode II and age him, but it's not easy.
I'm trying to show him getting away on a ship and getting killed in the planet debris.
I like them when used sparingly, but when every major explosion has them, they just look gimmicky. The main problem is they never look natural; all the original explosions are real, practical explosions, but CG explosions often don't work, especially those rendered some years ago.
Why not composite all the "Praxis" rings together to see what you get? It doesn't seem Adywan can really please everyone with this scene, as opinions on it are quite diverse. I might have a quick go at combining the SE ring with the (original) Praxis ring AND the Stargate ring and see what we get. :-)
No, really, I got it. The walkie-talkie thing is an ET Special Edition joke.
Yeah, replace it with a walkie-talkie.
*rolls eyes*
Same with Alderaan - they wouldn't really know what the Death Star was, since Tarkin never made contact nor responded to any
That isn't true. It's obvious that Bail Organa and probably his government knew what the Death Star was, after all it was his daughter who'd just risked her life to steal the plans to it, and he is one of the founding members of the Rebel Alliance. That much is fact presented in the other movies, without needing to delve into extra material. The Death Star wasn't a complete unknown, the Rebel Alliance knew about it. And seeing as Bail Organa and Alderaan's Rebel members knew what it was, they very well would have tried to get people away. This is hardly making stuff up. And besides, you're missing my point anyway, which is that I'm extending the destruction of Alderaan and so there is most definitely time for people to cry out in terror. But even without this, I don't agree with your suggestion that nobody knew what was coming.
And throwing that back to the catastrophes in Japan, they did have air raid sirens. People might not have known the scale of the devastation about to be wrought on them, but they knew something was coming. And again, catastrophic as those two bombs were, they didn't instantly vaporise everything. These things take a little bit of time to spread, and in that time, there is panic and terror. Obviously the blast is incredibly fast, but you make it sound like it instantly destroys everything in a millisecond, which is just not true. Do you really think one laser beam from the Death Star, however powerful, would cause an entire planet to go kaboom in a split-second? Yes, I know, this is sci-fantasy, and "anything" is possible, but I don't buy an Earth-like planet exploding at that speed. Anyway, you're obviously not going to agree, so let's leave it there.
Cool! That really is a weird shot isn't it. I never understood why the Falcon didn't detect Slave 1. I did think the Falcon couldn't differentiate Slave 1 from the garbage pieces, but it still doesn't look convincing. That SE shot is really rather nice, I think, glad you're keeping it.
I meant to ask, are you making any changes that people might consider more controversial than others? I suppose the ion cannon might be one, beloved as it is, but your redo of that is excellent.
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