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Very nice idea Bingowings!
I personally wouldn't really want to do something as big as killing a character that didn't die originally, but at the same time, there is such an overwhelming lack of sacrifice on the part of the Rebellion.
I hope someone does kill Lando and the Falcon, so we can see how it would play out.
Monroville:
Darth, you're really being a dick about this. The "instantaneous" I refer to is how "instantaneous" an explosion is to mere humans such as ourselves. When something is moving at 20,000 miles per second, it may as well be "instantaneous" to us, or a spaceship like the Falcon which has to fly much slower than 20,000 miles per second flying through DS2 construction.
Your logic is trying to say a really fast hot-rodded car can outrun a nuclear blast AT THE SOURCE. Yes, nothing is instant - everything takes a few milliseconds at least for a reaction. But to HUMANS it may as well be, and the DS2 is not powered by hamsters on a treadmill.
Besides, this is a WISHLIST!!!!!!! As in, a suggestion for others to read, scratch their chin (or other hairy body parts) and think: "hmm, that could be a good idea!" or "hmm, that's just plain silly!"
You want to make an argument about logic? The whole point of the MYTHBUSTERS example is to show real explosions. Yes, they are ignited, much like how the Falcon ignited the reactor - it just didn't blow up on its own. Yes, explosions are not "instantaneous", but something happening within milliseconds is a hell of lot different than taking a leisurely walk through the woods. Shit man, ever hear of SUPERNOVAS?
You know, I'm tired of this. Or as Tyler Durdan would say: "This conversation is OVER"
First of all, when was the last time you saw an explosion move at 20,000 miles per second? Second, the Death Star explosion doesn't move anywhere near that fast, and there's absolutely nothing to suggest it does. So your entire point is rather moot. And you say instantaneous to things as small as humans. Yes, but we're talking about a spaceship with the ability to move away from an explosion at great speed. If you're going to use an analogy, try to at least make it relevant.
And now you're throwing supernovae into the mix? Between Mythbusters and supernovae you've come up with some absurd connection that you think dismisses my argument. What do those two things have to do with the Death Star exploding? The demonstrations on Mythbusters have absolutely no bearing on this discussion, and supernovae are immensely more powerful events than the Death Star exploding. A supernova occurs in stars with about nine times the mass of our Sun, the Death Star II is a mostly-hollow machine 900km across. Where's the relevance?
Sorry, but if someone countering your point because they think you're wrong is being a dick, then so be it, I'm a dick.
The FX shots in Tydirium are most impressive. Really well rendered, nearly all of it. But the live action isn't very well shot at all, they haven't taken any care with lighting whatsoever and it undermines what is obviously a work of passion. Some of it could easily be improved in post, but obviously not all their people are as good as they could be.
But still, very impressive indeed.
Doesn't the beam come out of the middle anyway in Jedi?
I'm liking your stuff, Oh. Very much. I've nearly finished a matte that you can use for the second shot of the palace, with the main gate etc. I'll post soon.
Mind if I throw some more ideas at you, see what you come up with? I don't have time to do video mock ups, too busy with my mattes and "real" work. ;-)
Is that good?
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Oh_riginal, you've done it!
Those guys definitely look clearer and so the scale is easier to get from that very brief shot. I think it's worked wonderfully well, achieved exactly the idea I was hoping for. Thanks for putting that together.
Great stuff!
Sorry guys, I couldn't resist. My mate did it and sent it to me to distract me at work. He succeeded!
Speaking of being on fire...
A little sick, but it amused me. Look at it's little face... Poor little bugger.
LOL You said it! Exactly what is that armour for? It never stopped a single trooper from getting killed as far as I can tell. You'd think they might have a word with the Geonosians...
I suppose the Snowtroopers come closest :-)
Joking aside, they're my favourite thing in all of Star Wars. I've always found Empire leagues above the other movies aesthetically speaking, and for some reason Snowtroopers to me are just fantastic. I've still got a carded Empire logo figure too, mint. My pride and joy.
*nerd*
Bingowings:
I was under the impression that the reactor explosion wasn't the enough on it's own to destroy the Death Star but it was the big bang in a chain reaction of explosions which blow the thing to bits.
There is a world of difference between Geena Davis and Sam Jackson running away from an explosion in a building in the very silly The Long Kiss Goodnight and high speed ships racing away from a series of large explosions ending in the explosive destruction of a metal moon.
That said I really would like to see the Falcon not make it, go out in style but still go down.
Yes, a chain reaction for sure, like with Death Star I. But to suggest that the ships would have no time to fly out is ridiculous.
I agree totally about the Falcon going down in style. And then the all-white cast is restored. :-)
Monroville:
(sigh)
Because explosions are pretty instantaneous. Haven't you seen Mythbusters? Regardless, that was a ROTJ Wishlist item thought up to possibly explain how the Falcon could have the time to escape the DS2 even in a semi-realistic fashion, as short of the DS2 being made out of flammable material or the Emperor putting gasoline over everything to torch his bad investment and get the insurance money, the only thing blowing the DS up is the reactor...which we see blow up behind the Falcon... while they're still inside the DS2.
No offence, but that's nonsense. There's no point (sighing) when you're logic is wrong. Nothing is instantaneous. The explosion begins at the reactor core and spreads outwards consuming the Death Star, which is approximately 900km across. Now, you show me an explosion that starts at a central point like that and quote "instantaneously" fills a 900km space without having to spread to fill it first, and I'll concede the argument. And Mythbusters? You have got to be kidding. You seem to be mistaking the difference between ignition and shockwave/wavefront. Obviously ignition is pretty instantaneous, but no shockwave is. Fast, yes. Instantaneous, no. And again, the Death Star II is 900km in diameter, it is not a silly Mythbusters demo on an airfield.
I find your point of view slightly absurd. The Falcon already has time to escape because the explosion needs to engulf the Death Star.
Weird.
I wonder if Ady would actually farm out any work, maybe there are ways some of us can help him with the laborious stuff so he can get on with the money shots :-)
Monroville:
This would in turn give the Falcon the needed time to escape (can't show the reactor topple, fall and then explode behind them, as the whole DS would go up instantly, destroying everthing around and inside it, including the Falcon).
Well it seemed to work perfectly well that way in Return of the Jedi. You seem to be suggesting that the destruction of the reactor would cause an instantaneous vapourisation of the entire Death Star. Why would that happen?
I think the way it's depicted in Jedi, with the chain reaction explosion spreading outwards, is completely believable. That's how it works in Star Wars, as well, remember.
There's nothing to suggest that the Death Star should instantly blow up. The drama doesn't support it, the facts presented in the movie don't support it and physics don't support it.
But if that's what you'd have in your edit, great.
The bolts within the laser streams have always been yellowish, I'm not aware that Oh-riginal has changed anything.
Oh-riginal:
Darth Venal said:If I were to make any change, it would be to make the firing chambers immensely bigger (is immensely a word?) because I don't really feel the true power of lasers that are only as thick as the officers standing beside them.
I'd shrink down the size of the guards and their station to me very small next to the weapon, that's the only real way to give it true scale.
Is this along the lines of what you are thinking? It's rough, and could definitely use some improvement, but I think it helps to get the idea across.
Excellent.
That is precisely the effect I was trying to describe. I actually wouldn't have made them so small, as they're quite hard to see (then again, I haven't seen that on a big TV), but it does achieve precisely the effect I would want. That laser now looks absolutely massive, as well it should.
Loving it.
Well, let's agree to disagree then. The Special Editions changed almost nothing besides the way we as an audience view the movie. The events within the Universe are almost exactly the same, and they are canon.
A fan edit it not the same as a Special Edition. A fan edit has no canonical merit whatsoever, the Special Editions do.
And you're right, let's not even go near Doctor Who with the C word!
Bingowings:
When it comes to doing special editions surely the canon goes out of the window.
Sorry, I disagree with that 100%.
Canon truth is not immune to its own evolution. And anyway, my point was that the films are fundamentally superior to our own tastes when it comes to determining what is or is not canon within that universe. If Lucas issues Special Editions and decrees that they succeed previous versions, then so be it. Besides, it's not as if the Special Editions really change very much. I think people's reactions to the SEs on almost every level is disproportionate. No, I don't like some of the changes - some of them are dreadful - but are there any actual changes of events? Save for the SE2 of Empire including the rotten dialogue changes, there are no fundamental changes to the SW Universe. So canon is intact, either way you look at it.
Bingowings:That is either a really bad kludge of a shot or that IS the way the weapon works (which allows anyone reworking ANH to make it fire anyway they want).
Well, there you go. So I'll have my Death Star firing the same way. And besides, seeing the Death Star off-axis to fire at Alderaan looks stupid. Yes, in space there is no real up or down, but on film, seeing the Death Star off axis next to Alderaan just doesn't work. So for me, it can fire at an angle.
I'm not sure we should assume it's a bad FX shot just because we'd like to think it works a different way. The movies are canon, our personal taste isn't.
And not wanting to start an argument, but calling the FX work in much of the film lazy is sweeping away a massive amount of work done by very talented artists. Pre-digital, there was so much more work involved and the space battles seen in Jedi were VERY ambitious for that time.
Thank you! I got the very matte painting of the shaft that I wanted. Not all the pics are great quality but that one is HD, awesome!
By the way, when I posted my original Alderaan destruction sequence, a few people told me that the Death Star was in the wrong position to fire. But I thought it was fine, as it can fire directionally, and doesn't have to be pointing the firing dish straight at its target. Like this shot from Jedi:
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/7/75/HO_toast.jpg
Oh_riginal:
I think you may have misunderstood my post. What I mean to say is, the mock-up makes the laser chamber look incomplete BUT STILL safely operational, with the 1% leftover for construction being the panels, which are not needed to fire the weapon. One could assume those would be put on last anyway.
Adding anything more to the mock-up, such as the red iron, would be overkill. The mock-up works very well just as it is. It gets the point across that the laser is not 100% finished, but can still safely fire a laser. Sorry if I wasn't clear the first time.
As for the scale, I can agree with that. Though I've often wondered if the laser shown is one of the smaller lasers that shoots out to connect to the other lasers, before shooting the huge laser.
Haha yes I did misunderstand slightly.
About the scale, though, even if it is one of the smaller lasers, there is no way those laser could be that small when you see them next to the Death Star. And seeing as they're supposed to be able to destroy a planet, I really think they need to be more substantial. So, if we can't make the laser and shaft bigger, we can definitely make the people smaller. I think that really would help sell the scale of the Death Star better, too.
Can anyone possibly send me a hi-res screen cap (or scan) of the Emperor's shaft from Jedi? Thanks.
EDIT:
Sorry, that sounded positively sordid. Can anyone send me a hi-res screen cap or scan of the shaft the Emperor goes down in Jedi? Thanks.
Oh_riginal:
I support this idea to an extent. Yes, the Death Star is still under construction, but the laser is supposed to basically be 100% finished already (unbeknownst to the Rebellion at first). The mock-up does a great job of showing how it might look in the firing chamber as being 99% finished (just missing the fancy "shine" of the panels, as mentioned).
But the red iron stuff seems to be more like the construction of gun towers and such. I would imagine that yes, there may be some of that stuff used in the construction of the laser, but if the laser is completed enough to the point of being operational, it would need to have its interior be strong and durable... and in this case, only missing panels, nothing more.
But why does everything have to be shiny to be finished? Given the immense destructive capability of the weapon, I'm not sure a few metal panels would make any difference.
If I were to make any change, it would be to make the firing chambers immensely bigger (is immensely a word?) because I don't really feel the true power of lasers that are only as thick as the officers standing beside them.
I'd shrink down the size of the guards and their station to me very small next to the weapon, that's the only real way to give it true scale.
