True, the real dice are most likely still on the Falcon, but it’s equally as possible that Leia has the dice at the time of TROS for sentimental reasons. The dice are recognizable imagery of the ST/Disney Canon in general (despite being a background element in the OT) & I’d prefer an original identity as opposed to nostalgia callbacks, personally.
Finally got a chance to look at the new scene. It works well, though I agree with Kumo that the last “Ben” from Leia isn’t needed.
I floated this on the radical changes thread, but is there any way we can change Han’s medal to the Falcon dice? At the very least, it would help distance the film away from OT nostalgia, which it desperately needs imo.
Surprised it took me this long to mention, but years ago Nando v Movies made a whole video about how Phase 2 needed restructuring so that the world had more tension to it. It would be a full blown editing project of multiple movies, but if it worked it’d certainly be worthwhile:
Marvel Phase Two is in the Wrong Order
Personally, I would place Shang-Chi right before WandaVision, since it accomplishes everything you said it does, but it’s stinger also helps better frame some character continuity that starts in WandaVision & continues into The Marvels.
As for Quantumania, without getting into spoilers, you definitely want to put it before Loki Season 2. With Daredevil, Forbidden Marvels has a solid fanedit that cuts through the chaff of Season 1 of the show.
I’d love to check these out once all four movies are available. Sounds so exciting!
I just realized: Why not replace the shot from TROS of Leia clinging to Han’s medal with the shot from TLJ with her holding Han’s dice? It’s something that means more to the Sequel Trilogy rather than being a callback, & it further sets up the idea of Leia summoning Han’s force ghost for Ben later on.
I absolutely love the idea of the Exegol Throne being a powerful Sith artifact with power over the dead. Who about taking a few of the Sith cultist & putting notable Sith/Dark Jedi in their hoods to imply they’re unwillingly brought back from dead (Maul, Dooku, Ventress, Snoke, etc.). Show that Palpatine’s not the only person who was affected, just that he had the most will to take the operation over.
Anyone have a link for this? I tried reaching out directly to Dig to no avail.
Deleted, realized I already had access to this edit
For the redux version, I know you’ve said elsewhere that you wouldn’t try to artifically lengthen the gap between Din & Grogu’s separation. My only counter to that is that, even with the backpedaling done by Lucasfilm, TBoBF happened one year after Mando season 2. Maybe after Luke takes Grogu & Boba kills Bib Fortuna you could insert a “One Year Later” text in the “far far away” font?
I’m tempted to ask for a link, but I kinda want to wait for your redux versions of Episodes 2 & 3 before getting into 4. Though, maybe I can just get the link now & not worry about downloading three big files later.
Since Mando Ep 2 is going to be moderately restructured due to Mando Season 3, I figure I’d give my piece here as it’s most relevant on this thread.
I do agree that while giving Grogu away is an ending rather than a beginning, it still feels like the right move to bump that to Mando Ep 4. As someone who didn’t either Luke coming to save the day in Mando Season 2 (which honestly made me stop Mando Ep 2 at Grogu’s capture because I knew what came next) or the reversal of giving up Grogu, moving both of those moment into one packaged narrative lets me pretend that separating Din & Grogu only for their coming back together to help save the day in Mando Ep 3TBoBF.
As for ending Mando Ep 2 with Grogu’s capture, it’s still a tad TESB-esque, even if it doesn’t have the same weight to it. Empire works because Luke thinks he’s going to get trained & have everything he needs to fight Vader, only to be curb-stomped & have Vader drop that bombshell on him. The closest thing to that moment would be Boba revealing to Din that he & his father Jango were indeed Mandolorians, so there’s a type of brotherhood between Boba & Din that promises they’ll indeed rescue Grogu. That scene & ending with Gideon with the Darksaber is a decent enough ending for Ep 2, and then rescuing Grogu in Ep 3 is your raid on Jabba’s palace
In the end, you’re going to move the Luke Skywalker stuff to this film ? Or you re gonna leave it as a part of Ep III?
Leaving it in episode 3. I’m currently mulling over a radial change to EPs 2 and 3 to take out more Boba stuff and shuffle things around.
Are you able to give us any more info on the potential changes to episodes two and three?
Episode 2 is a bit of an issue because it now has some important story elements missing.
- Carson Teva’s interactions with Mando/Nevarro.
- The cloning facility on Nevarro.
- Elspeth Morgan and the Beskar spear.
These elements were cut to stick to a reasonable runtime and allow Luke’s appearance to be the finale. However, these elements have become very important.
My current thinking is to put these elements back into episode 2 and have the movie end on a cliffhanger with Gideon’s capture of Grogu. (Like ESB).
The rescue can then be the opening of Episode 3 and the sudden decision to capture Pershing can be explained in the opening crawl. I will then cut Boba’s story down to a bare minimum and have episode three to focus on Mando and Grogu.
Grogu’s training scenes will be intercut with Mando’s journey. Mando will not travel to meet Grogu, Grogu will make his decision and then head off to find Mando.
The main negative is that Luke’s first appearance begs to be the finale of a movie, not the end of the opening act, but this would allow all the important story beats to be included.
This sounds very exciting & likely the best course of action to take. It lets you end Mando Episode 2 on more of a TESB feel & give more focus to Mando Episode 3 being about Dinn & Grogu finding themselves only to realize they still need each other (plus seeds the Boba stuff for Episode 3 better). If I understand correctly, that means Grogu will be joining in the final fight? As long as you keep in them actually reuniting in the midst of battle, that’s all I care about.
Count me interested! While I’d prefer setting Kingpin up earlier, focusing on the main players is a good instinct. I’m especially excited your using the GotG Holiday Intro, really Christmas it up! And the title of the edit? (Chef’s Kiss)
Thanks for the update, Sherlock, warms my heart to know you’re still working on this! I’ll admit, I’m more a fan of the “Rey waiting for Kylo” option with the ending, since an ambiguous ending is different enough from RotJ & it works as a meta-commentary for the franchise in general (“where do we go from Episode IX?”).
I’d hate to give you even more visual work to do, but I floated around the idea on other threads of incorporating the fan film “Force of Darkness” into the beginning, like with joshuabri’s edit. The idea being Kylo has an “ESB cave” scene as he picks up the Wayfinder has to fight Vader to get it, but here’s my spin: recolor Vader’s lightsaber blue & get a Christensen/Matt Lanter sound-alike.
The idea being that Kylo has to fight Anakin Skywalker to get the Wayfinder, who manifestation is filtered by Kylo’s view of Vader. New dialogue could be added to help better set up the idea that Palpatine’s still out there even if we’re not explicit, & the image of Vader holding a blue lightsaber would just be really cool to see.
Do you still have a link for this? Would love to check it out.
Anyone have copies of these?
Could I get a link as well? Some time’s freeing up & I’m excited to see this radical edit of the series.
That actually sounds very close to how I’d rationalize the decision in an edit: Ben still feels some toxic, co-dependency towards Vader, & wants the Sith to learn the lesson he did not learn as Anakin Skywalker. So yeah, color me intrigued.
I disagree, there are a few ways of addressing it. The one the seems like it’d work for this edit the best would be if Qui-Gon’s voice stressed to Ben that Anakin is still the Chosen One, so that Ben spares Vader against his better judgement.
Alright, that’s at least something. Color me intrigued.
Please tell me you fixed the end of Ben not killing Vader. Literally, I was fin with the series until that moment, because it comes across as Ben having watched Episode IV & knowing that Vader needs to stay alive rather than any satisfying, in-story reason.
Do you address the fact of Obi-Wan not killing Vader then & there. In the series, it came across as very irresponsible of Ben not to end him, regardless of canon or “not being the Jedi way.”
Color me intrigued at how you’ve cut the series to under 2 hours, but I’m curious if you’ve fixed the issue of Obi-Wan not killing Vader at the end of Part 6. As is, Kenobi no longer sees Anakin as Vader, so it shouldn’t be an issue for Ben to kill Vader then & there outside of canon.
Interesting that you’re keeping in the last action scene with Reva. Plus, since you have it so Obi-Wan senses her attacking the Lars homestead, now it makes sense that Obi-Wan leaves Vader behind because he’s now running against a ticking clock! Color me intrigued!