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#74494
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Video of George Bush Misleading America
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You know. I had constructed a rather coherent explanation of why I think Kerry would make a bad president. But my other open browser window froze up and Internet explorer crashed.

And I cannot tell you how sick of politics I am right now. I just can't wait for this election to be over. If you wan't to know why I don't like Kerry, read "Unfit for Command" , "Deliver Us From Evil" or just listen to the Rush Limbaugh show for a few minutes.
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#74422
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Video of George Bush Misleading America
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See.
I agree with a lot of what you said in your last post(without the links), which is why I still don't understand your position. And, yeah, I advocate going after terrorists in Saudi Arabia, or anywhere. And I never said or seem to think that terrorists are born. If the middle east wasn't comprised of third-world autocracies, then fewer terrorist would be made though.
The whole ideal behind my view is that if there aren't any governments or groups that advocate terror, then the terrorist 'Production" will decrease--or rather, hopefully cease altogether. But nobody is saying it will be easy or short. It will take time, effort and sacrifice. And I am not "swallowing" party "line." I assure you I've had my own doubts about the war on terror...
Also, I am not talking about eliminating all fanatical muslims--just those devoted enough to murder.

And maybe the president is waiting for reelction to go after Saudi terrorists. Just a thought, but because it is obvious (to me at least) that reguardless of what else you think of Bush, Kerry is not fit to lead the nation. If we did go into Arabia and the economy did suffer, then Bush would have almost no chance at reelection. And although I'm sure you'd love that aftereffect, it would be disasterous for the war on terror and for whatever would be left of the economy.*

*If I made a huge mistake here, forgive me. I am definitely thinking under pressure here.
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#74366
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Video of George Bush Misleading America
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/74366/action/topic#74366
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One: There is no reason to cuss like a madman, Reg. I have gone out of my way to be respectful of you and you only debase yourself that way.

Second: You are comparing my ideaology with theirs? My "ideaology" says that God wants everyone to be free to choose their own way even if He doesn't like it--as long as they don't interfere with other's on that choice. They say that if you aren't Islam then they'll kill you. And it is offensive that you would even dream of saying that the Right is the same as terrorists because we both have ideaology. And I honestly don't give a crap if the terrorists think we are terrorists because I know--and anybody with.. YES, a moral compass knows that.

And now what are you talking about? Again... I am not advocating any fairy tales here. I trust neither Cinderella nor suicide to take me to heaven, and I'm not the one going around pretending God doesn't exist just so I don't have to obey Him. And again, I didn't call Islam itself a ridiculous religion. I was refferring to the terrorist extremist form of Islam that says "jihad" amounts to killing as many civilians as possible. The energies of the world would be better spent helping the middle east, but they won't let us do that because of the power-hungry dictator's and despots that opress their own people. I don't advocate killing muslims. I advocate destroying Islamic states. I thought that freedom of(or from) religion was important to liberals.

Shim... Thank you for not being a prick. And I am well aware that racism and... Well... the allies played a big part in the turmoil that now engulfs the middle east. But why bring that up as if it is my generation's fault? Like the fact that we are allready in Iraq, making the question of whether we should have gone or not irrelevant, we can't change the past. And yeah, life sucks for the middle east. But that isn't going to change as long as they are shackled by their corrupt and despotic pseudo-theocracies.

And I am aware that America set up more than a few of these despots. Again, it is a past mistake and one we are paying for dearly now. But, if you'll remember, there was a much bigger problem than the middle east during those years. And nothing we did in the past is justification for the kind of hatered for the West that would drive the 9-11 attacks. I think you miss the point of this war. This war is designed to get rid of the fanatics. To get rid of the ones who want to murder us! If the middle east was free then this wouldn't be a problem. But of course, that isn't going to happen anytime soon unless by miracle or satanic design.

The truth is, as I am sure you know, there is no easy solution to the problem of terrorism. But backing down and letting them have their way is not it. Now the question of whether or not we should have gone to Iraq is irrelevent, because we are there. And who can you trust to win the war? If the answer isn't obvious, then you have obvioulsy decieved yourself.

Whoa. Brainbust at 3AM.... I probably will be off soon.
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#74352
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Video of George Bush Misleading America
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/74352/action/topic#74352
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It makes me sick when foreigners compare us to these terrorists. This is such an unbelievably worthless argument! Have you no moral compass? Can you not tell just from unjust? Justice from murder? They intetnionally flew planes into our buildings with the sole intent of killing as many civilians as possible. CIVILIANS WERE THE INTENTIONAL TARGET. This is nothing short of cowardly murder based on a ridiculous religion that worships an arbitrary uncaring, unloving nothing called "The Divinity." They brainwash their kids from birth to believe that dying while killing as many Westerners (or Jews), reguardless of age,sex, or innocence, will get them into their perverted orgy-and-booze-filled version of heaven.

That is what Radical Islamic Terrorism is all about. Killing for the sake of killing and dying. And I think I speak for all American's when I say we are sick and tired of foreign liberals painting us as the bad guys--or "just as bad from their point of view." Any one with the basest of consciences should know that your assertion is ridiculous.

I for one am tired of the "poor terrorist, killed by the mean Americans" routine. The entire world lives in a post-9/11 universe and they need to wake up and act like it.
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#74339
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Video of George Bush Misleading America
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The thing is, Reg, that nobody wants these casualties and they are indeed tragic. But how is it any different than what Hussein himself would have done? My sympathy goes out to anyone who has lost anybody in this war, but what about sympathy for the people Hussein put through a meat grider? What about his son's cutting off womens bodyparts just because they refused to pleasure him? Why do you not have sympathy for them? Now, I am well aware that you likely do/did. I am not accusing you of lack of sympathy, but demonstrating that you are acting as if we don't care that there are civilians and soldiers dying. I assure you that I do.
But what would you have done? Let Husseing continue to rule Iraq? Did you not see the mass graves? Or assassinate Hussein, likely causing a civil war? The fact is that change for the better often requires pain and sacrifice.

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I object only to the lies used as justification for invasion and occupation of Iraq and the fabrication of a connection to September 11th. Is this administration teaching our children that the end always justifies the means? Because that is the logic of the Islamic terror groups also.


There are two points I want to make. One, is that there was no fabrication of a connection to 9-11. The connection was that there were Al-Quaeda leaders in Baghdad and other places in Iraq, even training terrorists, and from the beginning Bush said we would go after all nations that harbor terrorists. Iraq has violated sanctions for years, and I believe that the president honestly thought there were WMDs in Iraq, and I read a report in a democratic newspaper that indicated that Saddam even wanted us to belive they were there so we'd stay out in fear out of them using them.

Two. Even if the end were to justify the means, the Ends are completely different. Terrorists seek to opress, America seeks to free. Terrorists spew hate; America excecutes justice. Terrorist target civilians. We target only terrorists. And sometimes we miss, and when we do, it is allways a tragedy. All we really have control over is our intentions.


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#74337
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My Generation Rocks!!
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Surely Lucas couldn't sue us over a political argument.

Then again, if coffee burns are Mcdonald's fault, then I guess anything is possible.


But seriously, compared to about any other forum I have ever been in, this is by fart he one with the fewest flame wars, least name calling, and most civil political debates. (in the absense of a certain ex-forumer)

I also agree that polls that ask 1500 people can never really get a good idea of the political landscape.