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#229201
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If George did release a high quality OOT DVD, what is the worst that would happen?
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Originally posted by: zombie84
Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
For me, the worst that could happen is that it would only be included as part of some $300 boxset that I don't need or want.


No doubt this is what will one day happen.

Casual fans would not pay $100 or $200 just for the OOT--but they would pay $30 for a half-assed laserdisk transfer! The die hards get roped into buying this as well, thinking it may be the last time the films are avaialble, all the while having their appetite for a proper release even more whetted. Once the casual fans have had as much money pumped out of them as can be, and the die hards as well, it is time to really stick it to the die hards by releasing that $199 mega box with exclusive copies of a restored OOT, the rest of the box being 15 disks of PT and SE copies and supplements, with a giant Jar Jar head for a box.


Yes that is exactly what George will do. I wonder if he’ll have infomercials for it like they did for the Ultimate Matrix Collection? The set will include the following:

Star Wars (1977)
Empire Strikes Back (1980)
Return of the Jedi (1983)
Star Wars SE (1997)
Empire Strikes Back SE (1997)
Return of the Jedi SE (1997)
Star Wars SSE (2004)
Empire Strikes Back SSE (2004)
Return of the Jedi SSE (2004)
Star Wars Archival SSE Happy time +++ (2007)
Empire Strikes Back Archival SSE Happy time +++ (2007)
Return of the Jedi Archival SSE Happy time +++ (2007)
Star Wars Holiday Special 30th Anniversary “Original Vision” Edition (2008)
Clone Wars Vol. I (2003)
Clone Wars Vol. II (2003)
The Phantom Menace (1999)
Attack of the Clones (2002)
Revenge of the Sith (2005)
The Phantom Menace SE (2007)
Attack of the Clones SE (2007)
Revenge of the Sith SE (2007)
The Phantom Menace SSE “The version George really wanted to make, but his x was reminding him that he sucks” Edition featuring Darth Maul and his double antennae Walkie-Talkie (2009)
Attack of the Clones SSE “My morals keep changing and so my movies must as well” Edition featuring Nerf Walkie-Talkie-Sabers (2009)
Revenge of the Sith SSE “The version that solves the Sifo-Diyas mystery harped on by George” now with even more stupid Palps voice changes and crackling (2009)
The Full First and only Season of the Star Wars Live Action TV Show (2008)
Collectors Jar Jar Dildo
Altar to Baal (The Artist formerly known as George Lucas) Special Collectors Edition
The Definitive Baal Autobiography “How Art should be modified to suit the tastes of changing viewers” or “Nothing is timeless” by Baal (The Artist formerly known as George Lucas)
Gusher Edition Knee Pads for sucking Baal (George) Cock.

All for the low low price of……..One Million Dollars…er..um..I mean One Hundred Billion Dollars.

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#229179
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Those "Takes You Out Of The Moment" Moments...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/229179/action/topic#229179
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TPM: Almost any scene with Jar Jar. I tried to love him, I really did, if only for my daughter’s benefit (She was 3 when TPM came out) I tried. I think the super-duper, quadruple back-flip sow-cow dive Jar Jar made was one of the worst moments. The E.T.s in the Senate. You know the ones that confirm that Earth exists in the GFFA.

AOTC: Anakin’s fall on Coruscant. He would need to use the force not only to slow his fall, but also to accelerate to about 195MPH in order to grab the sky-car without tearing his arms off.

ROTS: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. The Buzz-Droids are bad as well. As my son said, “Hey dad if they can get droids there can’t they get explosives there easier and cheaper?” I just sighed and said, “Yes son.”

ANHSE: Greedo and the Jabba scene that followed and essentially covered the same crap that was covered by Greedo. Those two scenes destroy three characters for me; Han because he was always a hero instead of developing into one. Greedo because he’s now the absolute worst bounty hunter ever. Jabba because I doubt Capone would let Ness live if he stepped on his shoes. Jabba should’ve dropped Han the moment he stepped on his tail. The way things sit now Jabba isn’t ruthless, he turns the other cheek or tail as the case may be.

ESBSE (First SE): Luke’s scream.

ROTJ & ROTJSE (First and Second SE): The Ewoks. It’s bad enough that the Rebels can kill a Storm Trooper with a shot to the forearm, but now Ewoks can do it with a rock to the forearm. Chewie’s Tarzan yell. “Jedi Rocks”, nobody remembers the Jedi and Rock is a term from our universe. HC as a force ghost which proves that Luke didn’t redeem Anakin.

I’m at work so I can’t put up any screen caps. Sorry.
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#229158
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What did the Prequel Trilogy need?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/229158/action/topic#229158
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Originally posted by: auraloffalwaffle
Originally posted by: Darth-Adroit
- Anakin can’t seem to best Ben so he seeks out the dark side in order to win the love of Padme.
- Padme succumbs to Anakin’s advances and he knocks her up, but he doesn’t know it.
- The duel with Ben & Anakin causes a Star Destroyer or something to destroy the Alderan Royal Palace killing either the King or the Queen.


I have to say, these three had not occurred to me. I'm not sure I like the idea of a fall to the Dark Side being inspired by getting the attention of a girl. They could fight over her, sure, I'm all for that! But what on earth would Ben be doing that Anakin would need the Dark Side to beat? Impress her with his Sith Cutlery skills? Oh, hang on...

I'm sure the Jedi Academy would have a Sex Ed. module ("Erect it will become...").

And I don't see the point of the last one at all. I'm afraid it seems a bit overblown to me. A bit silly.

I can relate to most of the others, though.


I'm glad you liked a few of them. Now onto your other points.

We already had a love triangle established as a point of contention in the OT. I fought to get the woman that is now my wife and I’m damn glad I did it. I’ve found that most things worth having are worth fighting for. Have you never been infatuated with a woman that is in turn infatuated with another man? Have you ever heard the song “My Best Friends Girl (and she used to be mine)” by the Cars? Love triangles lead people to the “Dark Side” on Earth all the time.

How can the Dark Side get Anakin a girl? Probably the same way Karate lessons got that goof-ball a girl in the Karate Kid. It works like this; Anakin wants Padme, Padme wants Ben, Ben is a stronger Jedi than Anakin, Anakin turns to the Dark Side in the hopes of gaining the power to kick Ben’s Ass thus eliminating his only competition. The logic seems pretty clear to me. Is it a little simplistic? You bet, but I think it’s better than what we have:

Anakin: What have I done?....What is thy bidding my master.

The last point may seem simple and it is. In my vision of the PT there is a reason that Princess Leia is a Princess and there is a reason that Alderan is pacifist. My solution may not be the best, but it’s better than what George came up with; Queen is later revealed to be an elected Queen, then she’s a Senator, then her daughter is adopted by another Senator and so that daughter is a Princess? WTF? Should I start calling her Princess Chelsea Clinton? It should also be noted that nations on Earth have become neutral and passive for less significant reasons than the death of the head of state.

I came up with this crap at four in the morning on hour 10 of a 12 hour shift. I’m sure I could come up with something better if given the time and the inclination.


Originally posted by: Bissrok
But I think Anakin should have been from Tatooine. Owen's a farmer, and by the way he talked about the Jedi, I just assumed that's the way it had always been. I don't think he would have been out on Naboo flying around with Anakin. Because no one would want to move to Tatooine to start up a moisture farm. Unless of course he was just doing it to hide Luke's identity. But if he had done all that for Luke, I think he would have been a little friendlier to the kid.


I was going for the idea that Anakin and Owen are half-brothers. Same mother, different fathers and they are rivals to be the “Man” of the house. They live in the projects of some Core World. Their only dream is to create their own destiny. Owen wants the opportunity to get out of the Core and to own his own land. If one lives in a Crack House on Coruscant being a Moisture Farmer on some remote system sounds real good. So Owen busts his ass, passes a civil service test and works hard to earn a land grant. Perhaps they tell him that he’ll get land on a lush planet like Naboo. As a veteran I can tell you that the promises made by recruiters seldom match the reality. Perhaps that’s part of the pity that we feel for Owen when we see ANH. He did the right thing and he still got screwed. It happens to many people (Soldiers, Cops, Fire Fighters, Teachers, et al) in many societies everyday.

Anakin goes with the quicker and less honorable path. He flies Star Fighters on escort missions for “Spice Freighters”, which is a nicer way to say Spice Smugglers. This is based on what Luke said in ANH:

LUKE: No, my father didn't fight in the wars. He was a navigator on a spice freighter.

Owen told Luke a half-truth because saying that Anakin was a navigator sounds better than saying he was a Spice Smuggler. So Ben is out patrolling on the Outer Rim when his task force receives a distress signal from a “Spice Convoy” under attack. When they arrive the entire Spice Convoy has been devastated by Pirates or some such. There is only one ship left from the original convoy, he’s outnumbered by 10 to 1 and he’s actually holding his own. Ben’s force chases of the Pirates and the stellar star pilot is revealed to be…you guessed it..ANAKIN. Ben is amazed at the performance he put on, but he’s even more surprised by how strong the force is in this young man. Knowing that the Jedi have been devastated by the ongoing Clone Wars Ben tries to recruit Anakin for their cause. Anakin says he’ll consider it, but he wants to discuss the idea with his mother.

Ben and Anakin arrive and find that Anakin’s mother has been killed by a crack whore or some shit. Owen argues that the family now needs Anakin more that ever, but Anakin blames Owen for the death of his mother and with her gone he doesn’t see any reason to stay. So Anakin hates Owen, Owen hates Anakin for abandoning the family and Owen hates Ben because he blames him for taking Anakin away when his family needs him the most.

That’s probably not the best scenario on Earth, but at least it doesn’t contradict what we know about Ben, Anakin and Owen from the OT. The way the PT was written Ben is just a fucking liar in the OT.


EDIT: I forgot to respond to Bissrok


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#228998
Topic
News on the TV Series if Anyone Cares.
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/228998/action/topic#228998
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Originally posted by: Mike O
Originally posted by: Hal 9000
Come on... now people will think I'm a trekkie when I say I like Star Wars.

Do I *really* have to specify like this: "I am a fan of the (original) Star Wars Trilogy."?


Apparently, the original Star Wars trilogy doesn't exist anymore. Lucas's 10-year long battle to destroy it is all but complete.


LFL Marketing Punk: “We've analyzed their attack, sir, and there is a danger. Should I have the OOT cleaned up and released in anamorphic?”

GEORGE: “Anamorphic? In our moment of triumph? I think you overestimate their love for the OOT!”

We can only hope that GL’s SE DVD(eath) Star blows up soon.


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#228994
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first viewing of the 2006 OOT dvds
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/228994/action/topic#228994
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Originally posted by: Tiptup

I'm not saying that anyone who buys these DVDs is a fool, I just see it, at this point (knowing what we know), to be a bad move unless the money spent is not big deal and the Star Wars trilogy is really that important to you.



The money spent will be a big deal because there are other things I could spend that money on. Still I do want a copy of the OOT and this sub-par version is the best legal version available.

Originally posted by: Tiptup

From my point of view it’s a basic economic principle only to spend your money on things you want. At this point, I'd rather never see the films again than ever purchase this release. That's the value that I believe everyone else have as well, but if other people feel differently I'm not going to criticize them. George Lucas has effectively destroyed Star Wars for me and that's all.

(Thankfully I still have viewable VHS copies too.)


That’s pretty much the only difference I can see in our prospective positions. My VHS copies have worn out (all three sets) and I do want to see the OOT again. George is going to get a little of my cash for the OOT one way or another; I can replace my VHS copies with a new set, I can buy the LDs or I can buy these DVDs in September. The only difference for me is the effort I make to get replacements. Getting the DVDs is the easiest, most convenient and most economical way to replace what I have. ANY of these options is superior to what I have right now.


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#228993
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What did the Prequel Trilogy need?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/228993/action/topic#228993
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Originally posted by: vote_for_palpatine

Episode I - Anakin at 19-20 years old. As millions of fans have observed many times.


Indeed. That’s at the heart of the character development issues AND the primary source of many items that contradict the OT.

Originally posted by: Bissrok-Needed to pick an audience. If you begin a trilogy with fart jokes and silly droid antics you can't end it with the main character butchering children and having the flesh burned from his body.


I couldn’t have said it better myself. Here’s my suggestion for changes it’s long so feel free to glance at it or ignore it altogether.

- The series should’ve started with the Clone Wars in progress.
- The Jedi are devastated after years of war with few members left in their ranks.
- Obi-Wan does some impulsive and dangerous shit every once in a while.
- It is made clear that Yoda was once Ben’s master.
- Anakin should’ve been from some planet other than Tatooine.
- Establish that Anakin and Owen had some sort of relationship.
- Establish that Ben and Owen had some sort of relationship.
- Ben discovers Anakin, sees that he’s a great star pilot and is amazed at how strong the force is with him.
- Ben should convince the council to let him train Anakin. Yoda will object, but will be overruled by the rest of the council because they are running low on Jedi.
- Ben and Anakin both fall in love with Princess Padme of Alderan.
- Ben realizes the danger and stops making advances on Padme. He tries to convince Anakin to stop as well, but Anakin thinks Ben is trying to trick him.
- Anakin can’t seem to best Ben so he seeks out the dark side in order to win the love of Padme.
- Late in the trilogy Owen gets a land grant. It could be revealed that the grant is on Tatooine or it could remain secret until we see him in Episode4, but it is critical that Anakin doesn’t know where he went nor does he care where he went.
- Padme succumbs to Anakin’s advances and he knocks her up, but he doesn’t know it.
- In the duel with Ben Anakin causes a Star Destroyer or something to destroy the Alderan Royal Palace killing either the King or the Queen.
- Anakin thinks Padme and Ben are dead, Alderan swears off the use of weapons and turns isolationist for a while, cutting itself off from the rest of the GFFA.
- Anakin looses body parts over the course of the films becoming more like the Vader we know and love, but the accident on Alderan messes him up on a whole new level.
- Padme and Ben both survive the accident on Alderan and Vader wants to confirm their deaths, but Alderan’s isolation prevents him form gaining access to the planet.
- When the twins are born Ben immediately senses how strong in the Force Luke is. He thinks Leia might have potential as well, but the force just pours off of baby Luke. Ben convinces Padme to let him take Luke.
- When the trilogy ends Ben has taken off with Luke, Padme stays on Aldrean with Leia and Vader is hunting Jedi.


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#228969
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first viewing of the 2006 OOT dvds
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/228969/action/topic#228969
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Originally posted by: Tiptup
Originally posted by: Darth-Adroit
I agree with those that are angry about this DVD release and I think a message does need to be sent I just hope people aren’t fooling themselves. If you are avoiding the September releases to hurt George you had better avoid ALL LFL licensed products or you’re not doing much.


While I don't really go for any of the extraneous products in the Star Wars franchise (most of it sucks), my point is that i don't want to waste money on crap I don't want.

If any of you out there don't mind getting a crappy-bonus-feature version of the original theatrical releases, then I won't blame you for buying these DVDs. Otherwise, George Lucas should not be rewarded for this if any of us can help it. I'll buy the DVD and own it just long enough to help boost the sales figures and then return it, if I do anything.


Most of the extraneous Star Wars product does suck and I definitely support anyone’s right not to spend money on crap they don’t want. I also agree that we should all do what we can to keep cash out of George’s pocket. I just see that SOME (not all) people are being a little intellectually dishonest about all of this. They say that anyone that buys the DVDs in September is a fool and part of the problem. Then these same people rush off to buy Battle Front 2 and Empire at War and place an even larger chunk of cash in GL’s pocket.

I don’t want to see George get rewarded for this sub-par treatment of the OT anymore than you do Tiptup. But does George get a smaller reward if I spend $80-$100 on eBay for unopened LDs? Probably not, but I would spend twice as much and I would still need to research and buy a reliable LD player. I don’t see how going the LD route is any smarter than just getting the DVDs in September.

We all have the same problem here; we really love Star Wars, but we hate what it has become and we don’t want to encourage George to continue down the dark path. So we’re conflicted. I personally love many Star Wars products such as the KOTOR series and yet I almost feel a twinge of guilt for buying them because I know some of my money was used for more CG in ROTS. Likewise I hate the way the September DVD release is being handled and I’ll feel a slight twinge of guilt when I buy them. That twinge will quickly disappear for me because I know that I will preserve the OOT for my grandchildren and do it without stretching any laws.


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#228944
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The Emperor & line change in ESB SE 1997
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/228944/action/topic#228944
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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape What I find a bit far-fetched about that explanation is how the Emperor couldn't know? I mean, Vader has an entire fleet going after Luke. He speaks openly of it to his officers. Sure, he's probably hiding his true motives for looking for Luke, but there's no way this is news to the Emperor.


Someone give Gaffer Tape a cigar because he hit that one center-mass.

When I was a young hard-charging Sergeant I was responsible for everything from a simple MRE (Meat Ready to Eat) to over $193,000,000 worth of Intel gathering equipment and never once was I allowed to do something with government property unless I had authorization from my chain of command. Now I’m pretty sure an Imperial Fleet is worth more than $193 Million and I’m almost certain that The Emperor was a little less tolerant of misappropriations than the US Government. That being the case I’m certain that Palpatine had at least a little knowledge of what Vader was doing.

If they were going to change the dialog in light of the PT they should’ve done so without invalidating the purpose of ESB.

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#228909
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No explanation necessary (but we got one anyway)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/228909/action/topic#228909
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Originally posted by: vote_for_palpatine One of the things that we complain about so very often in regard to SE and the PT is the overkill of explanation:

"The Sith have a Rule of Two."

"Obi-Wan was once instructed by Yoda. Qui-Gon was his Master, but all younglings are taught by Yoda."

"The Clonetroopers were cloned by Jango Fett, who raised an unaltered clone names Boba as his son"

"The more midichlorians a Jedi has, the more Force-power he is capable of"

"You see, Anakin died just before he became Darth Vader, so that's why he is younger as a Force ghost than Obi-Wan or Yoda."

"This is my apprentice, Darth Maul. Follow him, the apprentice called Darth Maul, for he is my apprentice. His name is Darth Maul, by the way."

Lucas is so convinced of our collective idiocy, isn't he? You know, not everything in the OUT was explained to a T. And that's just fine! We can fill in the blanks, as long as what we just saw is plausible.


Good examples vote_for_palpatine. The way those items are expressed in the films only raises more questions. I mean how exactly does Yoda know about this “rule of two”? Should I assume he was a Sith? He sure seems to know more about the Dark Side than anyone in the films.

It kills me how George over-explains some things and then totally abandons other points that might benefit from further embellishment. How about someone explain to me what the Sith want revenge for? I mean that revenge is so important that it merited being the title of one of the films, but it was never explained. Who are the Sith seeking vengeance against? Is it the Jedi? Is it the Republic? Is it both? There are really only two lines in the PT that deal with the Sith and their motivations for revenge:

In TPM Maul says, “At last we will reveal ourselves to the Jedi, at last we will have our revenge”

So they will gain revenge by revealing themselves to the Jedi? This line doesn’t do much except reinforce the aforementioned rule of two. It is inferred that the Sith want revenge, but no motivation is revealed at any point in any of the movies.

In ROTS Mace says, “The oppression of the Sith will never return. Your plot to regain control of the Republic is over”

What does this really tell us about the Sith and their motivations? Well it indicates that the Sith once controlled the Republic and they were oppressive when they had that control. So what lost them their control? Perhaps the Jedi working in league with some sort of rebel group destroyed the Sith and took control. That would mean that the Sith want Revenge on both the Jedi and the Republic because they robbed them of their power. Of course I only reach that conclusion by making a bunch of assumptions and guesses, none of which are educated or based on anything more than conjecture.

In the end I know what the “New Hope” was, I know why and how the Empire Stuck Back and I know why the Jedi needed to return and how they did so. I know who the “Phantom Menace” was and I even saw a little bit of the Clones attacking. Shit I know why Dr. Evil wanted to get Austin Powers, but I don’t have a clue why the Sith wanted Revenge or what they wanted revenge for. I guess they just want revenge because that’s what bad guys want. One or two lines from ANY Sith could’ve provided an explanation, but I guess those had to be cut in the interest of more CG or juvenile humor.


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#228886
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Asian Women and Water Operas
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/228886/action/topic#228886
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Originally posted by: auraloffalwaffle Thanks, Darth Adroit.

Well, I have to say I don't like the new song and I didn't like the new CGI singer, or the CGI Sy but I can honestly say I have no issues with the dancers. At all. Well done to them. I wish you luck there, Ingo Sucks.

As for the 'Water Opera', I got really intersted in seeing what was going on as the scene between Lil' Orphan Annie and Palps really wasn't holding my attention. [Snooze...]


First let me say that you’re quite welcome.

Second let me say that I have issues with the very title Jedi Rocks. If most of the GFFA doubts that Jedi ever existed why is some backwater band on Tatooine writing songs about them? Also I was under the impression that “rock” is a term from our Universe. I can grant that similar types of music could develop independently in separate Galaxies, but would they use the EXACT same term for that music? It’s one of those moments that remind me of the direct influence of our Galaxy on the GFFA. Other notable instances would be the Tarzan yell in ROTJ and the E.T.s that appear in the Senate chambers during TPM. The E.T.s are probably the worst because their presence confirms that Earth exists in the GFFA.


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#228880
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The Emperor & line change in ESB SE 1997
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/228880/action/topic#228880
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Originally posted by: auraloffalwaffle I don't know if anyone's talked about this on this site before, so apologies if I'm covering old ground - please point me to the apropriate thread if I am.

The scene in the original cut of ESB where Mr Vader has a chat with Mr Palpatine - did Lucas change the performance to one from Ian McDiarmid for the current incarnation of his "artistic" "vision"?

This is one change that I actually would have welcomed in the 1997 SE.


I probably wouldn’t have major issues if “monkey woman” was replaced by Ian, but George didn’t stop there he also altered the dialog. Here’s the dialog sequence that really bothers me:

“EMPEROR PALPATINE: We have a new enemy, the young rebel who destroyed the death star. I have no doubt this boy is the offspring of Anakin Skywalker.

DARTH VADER: How is that possible?”

So is the opening crawl bull shit? You know the crawl where it says, “The evil lord Darth Vader, obsessed with finding young Skywalker, has dispatched thousands of remote probes into the far reaches of space...”

Is Vader full of shit when he says “That is the system. And I'm sure Skywalker is with them."

Vader knows all about Luke. In fact the entire premise of ESB rides on Vader’s pursuit of Luke. Many fan-boys try to justify the change by saying that Vader was misleading Palpatine and that may be true, but in the end it just raises a question where no question existed. It’s like almost every other SE or DVD change in that respect. Some of the changes are small and some are large, but as a general rule they make viewers ask questions instead of letting them just enjoy the fucking film.


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#228864
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first viewing of the 2006 OOT dvds
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/228864/action/topic#228864
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The DVDs seem to sound worse as the release approaches. Still I don’t have much of a choice about buying them since my VHS copies are on the fritz. I’ll end up buying the crappy DVD releases just because I need a copy of the OOT and I don’t like buying bootlegs. I know that it serves GL’s purposes more than my own and that sucks. I also know that my planned DVD purchase gives any number of posters here the moral high-ground over me and that’s not something I give up without careful consideration.

I agree with those that are angry about this DVD release and I think a message does need to be sent I just hope people aren’t fooling themselves. If you are avoiding the September releases to hurt George you had better avoid ALL LFL licensed products or you’re not doing much. If you want to hurt George then hurt him all the way; avoid the DVDs, avoid the comics, avoid everything LFL has a direct hand in. Don’t say “I’m not buying the September DVDs because I don’t want to give George my money” on one thread and then walk into another thread and say, “Yep I’ll buy KOTOR3 as soon as it comes out” or “I can’t wait for the next Indie movie” or “I’ll check out the new SW TV show when it comes out.” I respect anyone that actually can avoid giving George any money because I know I can’t. In fact if you can avoid buying any LFL crap I give you full authorization to flame me for my inability to do so. However, if you plan on supporting LFL in some other fashion then you have forfeited your right to ride my ass for buying the September DVDs.

This is another “if the shoe fits” post and it is directed at no one in particular.

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#228845
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News on the TV Series if Anyone Cares.
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/228845/action/topic#228845
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Originally posted by: JediRandy You all will watch it.


Alas I probably will since it costs me nothing to do so. I’ve long been a sucker for all things Star Wars. I’m no longer willing to pay to have George and his cronies screw me, but I’m still willing to let them do it if they don’t charge me. I know I’m pathetic. It’ll probably be worth a good laugh if nothing else.
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#227806
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Finally Got Rid of My 2004 DVD's...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/227806/action/topic#227806
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Originally posted by: garethxxgod
He's proven that time and time again. Thanks for joining us even if you do prefer the SEs.


I appreciate not only the welcome, but the fact that you haven't insulted me for my preference. While a majority of SE fans probably wouldn't care about the release of the OOT in better quality I don't see how George couldn't. It's not as if movies have never come out with varying editions in them. That's a market that he's only now attempting to dabble in, let's hope he gets his feet wet enough to want to go all the way and meet fan demand.


Welcome gaethxxgod.

It’s great to have you aboard even if I disagree with your preference of the SE. Perhaps you could help me understand what you like about the Special Editions. I know a few fans of the SE, but they are primarily very young viewers and can’t really articulate their feelings. I’m not trying to put you on the spot here; I just really want to know what features you enjoy. I can imagine an alternate universe where I would’ve really liked the SE. If George had made the OOT and the SEOT available on DVD in the same set, with the OOT getting top billing and the SE as a special feature on the second disk. In a scenario like that I could’ve been a little more objective about the SE. I would’ve seen them as a further development of what George wanted when he made the movies. That was the way I viewed the SE when I saw them in theatres. Now I see them as an object lesson in why revisionism is a detriment to our society.


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#227570
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20 years ago, would anyone believe...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/227570/action/topic#227570
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I’ll try a few:

- That the more George Lucas has to do with Star Wars the less the films feel like Star Wars.
- That the juvenile nature of certain segments of Jedi was not the exception, but the new rule for Star Wars Films.
- That a single Star Wars Video Game (KOTOR) would be deeper, more enthralling and written with more attention to detail than all three PT films. All with a budget of less than 1/100th of one PT film.
- That Ben Kenobi was not a rebellious, bad ass of a Jedi, but the stodgiest and most orthodox Jedi in the order and one that lost more fights than he won.
- That Ben would actually argue AGAINST training Anakin.
- That Chewie would see one of the greatest Jedi (Yoda) in action and never mention it to Han. In light of ROTS one can only see Chewie as an asshole for not speaking up when Han was bagging on the force in the OT.
- That Anakin would not be a spectacular fighter pilot when Ben first met him.
- That Ben would not feel how strong the force was in Anakin, but rely on the transmission of blood molecules into his PDA for this information. I guess I figured Ben would sense the greatness in Anakin the same way John the Baptist sensed it in Jesus. Instead Ben was just opening a PDF or an Excel file and prattling off numbers.

As many have pointed out George could’ve done a much better job with the PT if he would’ve just remained true to his own established canon. There are issues where there didn’t need to be issues. Just make Anakin 19 in Episode I and 90% of the contradictions and lack of character development in the PT could’ve been avoided.
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#227531
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Alternate Title For Episode III
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/227531/action/topic#227531
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Originally posted by: mverta Any college freshman in film school can spot the insanely bloated and unnecessary establishing shots in not only Ep.III, but Ep. II as well. And it's not just limited to establishing shots. The editing on Sith is about as "amateur night" as it gets. People who feel otherwise, literally don't understand the basics of the craft of editing, which while having evolved over decades, still retains the same basic principles it has for more than 100 years of filmmaking. It's not just the unforgivably bad direction, poorly developed story, and laughable dialogue; the film fails on such basic technical levels I can't believe it was produced by veteran professionals. Actually, it wasn't.

_Mike


I’m willing to bet that George would justify the editing by saying that it was in keeping with the serials. He’s justified every amateur thing he’s done with the Star Wars films. He explains away plot hole by invoking the force and he dismisses campy dialog by reminiscing about Flash Gordon. I think it’s funny that George justifies juvenile practices by inferring that his audience lacks sophistication.

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#227525
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Finally Got Rid of My 2004 DVD's...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/227525/action/topic#227525
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Originally posted by: Tiptup

Well, I personally am a supporter of the president and I do not believe that line can be seen as a valid criticism for George Bush unless you're someone who is very stupid and/or crazy. Though you do make a good point that GL could have been coming from on of those two points of view when writing that line. But, either way, I'm not worried about it. It's a bit futile to spend any time reading politics into an obviously illogical and ridiculous movie.


You’re probably right. I just use it as a way to illustrate how far he’s strayed from what made Star Wars great. Story and dialog are secondary considerations compared to CG. I think the sad attempt at a political statement was done to pander to his little Hollywood buddies, perhaps because he believed it would better his odds at getting CG awards for ROTS. In the end even if that’s what it was it’s just the initial numbness of frostbite; a minor symptom of a much greater problem.

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#227503
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OT.com = TFN?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/227503/action/topic#227503
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Originally posted by: Tiptup
They even deleted all your posts?!! What complete and total cowards they are.


You can say that again. They didn’t do that to me and it would’ve served their purposes to do so.

I think most of the former TFN posters here have a similar story. I was banned for using the term apologist. A dozen gushers ganged up on me for several pages, they personally attacked me numerous times and then when a moderator finally did step in I was banned for inferring that some PT fans act like Lucas Apologists. Let me repeat that; I was Perma-banned for INFERING that some fans defend Lucas to any end. The people that called me an idiot and a liar were untouched. I watched them continue to defile my name for four days from the moment I was banned until I realized by “3 day ban” was permanent.

I could’ve continued posting on tfn using one of my socks, but I decided I was done after that exchange. I realized that there was nothing close to a level playing field at tfn for those critical of Lucas. A few months later that thinking was confirmed when the “Lost 20” were banned. I don’t know every member of the Lost 20, but the few I am familiar with were not Bashers. They, like me, were critical of the direction the films since ESB. Apparently at tfn you can bash the OT all you want, but if you discuss the SE or the PT you must be positive. If you verily look at those films with a critical eye and post comments to that extent it is only a matter of time until they ban you. Some child will get upset with your comments; they’ll inform one of their “I’m still waiting for my balls to drop” moderators, call a council of the pre-pubescent mods and ban you.

I don’t think there is any real danger of these forums taking that direction because the mods don’t construe criticism of George as a personal attack. Most of the posters on these forums are more mature in their thinking. Even the users here that haven’t finished puberty are wise enough to act like they have. That leads to the real reason this place is different than tfn; in these forums it is perfectly acceptable to, “agree to disagree.”

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#226805
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The Emperor & line change in ESB SE 1997
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/226805/action/topic#226805
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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
Heh, ADM is making something of a joke, but not entirely. You see, the footage they used of Vader arriving in his shuttle is actually an unused take/angle from Return of the Jedi of Vader arriving at the Death Star at the beginning of the movie. If you look closely, you can see Moff Jerjerrod standing there waiting for him.

EDIT: Too many 3PO heads in this thread. I had to break up the monotony!



Ahh I didn’t notice that. I just have not seen the SE or DVD versions very many times. I just couldn’t and that violates one of my chief philosophies, “know your enemy.” I should have been more diligent in studying George’s changes. Hell if I can read The Qur’an, The Book of Mormon, Dianetics, Mein Kampf and The Watchtower Magazine over and over I should be able to watch the SE a few times. I guess I’ll take a look the next time I’m at my nephew’s house since I don't have the SE versions. I may allow heretical texts in my home, but I don’t allow heretical Star Wars in my home.
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#226800
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Finally Got Rid of My 2004 DVD's...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/226800/action/topic#226800
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Originally posted by: Tiptup
Originally posted by: Darth-Adroit
Fanboys know Obi-Wan’s statement is a lie. If any real message can be drawn from the PT regarding the Jedi Order it is that they were too dogmatic. EVERYTHING was Black and White with the Jedi and that contributed to their downfall. The Sith were the group that embraced a larger view of the force; they were the order that saw shades of grey. The one PT Jedi (Qui-Gon) that tried to direct the order to a more open interpretation of the force was kept off the council for his efforts. The Jedi had their dogma, it worked for generations and it was based on their ideal that the force was black and white. Didn’t Obi-Wan lecture Qui-Gon to be more Orthodox throughout TPM? To someone familiar with the GFFA Ben’s statement is total bull shit.


Oh, Iagree, the line itself is completely illogical. I'm just skeptical that it was ever meant to be a direct dig on George Bush. I'm more inclined to think that Lucas just has a certain outlook of the world that is completely irrational and inconsistent, and thus that was the actual source of the line. Certain secularists have the hypocritical viewpoint that moral absolutes are wrong and I bet Lucas was making a crippled attempt to voice something to that affect. Just because certain political debates currently seem to be at the forefront does not mean he was purposely aiming to bring those politics into his movies and therefore criticize "those Christian concervatives" or whatever.

Oh, and to clarify, I believe Lucas will offend people all the time, and be very stubborn about it all, but that's mostly because of his personality flaws and his bad moves. Rarely are his offenses part of some intentional wish on his part if you ask me. I don't believe he is the type to offend people in a large scale fashion if he can help it since that would hurt his most beloved profits.



I just don’t see anyway it could be taken as anything but a dig at the President. I also think that Lucas figured it would slide past the casual viewer, appeal to his buddies like Spielberg and he figured those “astute” enough to catch the jab would either agree with him or not be in the theatre to begin with.

Let me stress what I said the last time I brought up this subject just so I can be clear on my motives. I’m a moderate and an Independent I’m not a big fan of the President, but I don’t think he’s Hitler either. I don’t have a horse in this race politically speaking. I can assure you that Lucas thinks little of the President or those that support him. That being the case I think he “misunderestimated” (to use a Bushism) both those with differing political views and the general audience.

I don’t think he alienated a portion of his audience on purpose. I think he alienated a portion of his audience because he’s out of touch with the rest of the universe. You know the same way he alienated a potion of his audience with Jar Jar. George figured people would love Jar Jar. Just look at the interviews he had leading up to the release of TPM. He spoke about Jar Jar and how he was a marvel of modern CG and great character. Then TPM comes out and no person on Earth that had completed puberty enjoyed Jar Jar. Perhaps Jar Jar was a modern CG masterpiece, but I never noticed because I was still trying to recover from the fact that he was an insult to the audience.

I would like to give Lucas the benefit of a doubt, but after Greedo I can’t. If Lucas was willing to change a piece of Film History because his feelings on violence have changed I’m not going to put it past him to make a dig at a less than popular President.


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#226584
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Finally Got Rid of My 2004 DVD's...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/226584/action/topic#226584
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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape He did say it was generous. He was just simultaneously expressing his views about the movies as well.

Thanks Gaffer Tape; that was precisely my intent.

Sorry if it was a little ambiguous Darth Evil. I’m glad your cousins are enjoying the 2004 DVDs I just don’t like them myself. That’s not meant as an indictment of you or your cousins. I have a nephew that enjoys the 2004 DVDs and I don’t think any less of him for that. I do think you were generous because many would’ve put the movies on eBay to try and comp their expenses for the OOT DVDs

Originally posted by: Tiptup
Otherwise, the dig on George Bush was probably unintentional somewhat. GL woudn't purposely alienate a large part of his audience.


You might be correct, but I don’t see any other reason for the statement. George has had issues with the Hollywood establishment in the past and I think the line was an olive branch towards them. I really think George was trying to remind them that while he might be a “maverick” his overall ideology is still left of center just like them. The people he was appealing to are casual viewers of his films. They are politically astute, but GFFA ignorant.

Fanboys know Obi-Wan’s statement is a lie. If any real message can be drawn from the PT regarding the Jedi Order it is that they were too dogmatic. EVERYTHING was Black and White with the Jedi and that contributed to their downfall. The Sith were the group that embraced a larger view of the force; they were the order that saw shades of grey. The one PT Jedi (Qui-Gon) that tried to direct the order to a more open interpretation of the force was kept off the council for his efforts. The Jedi had their dogma, it worked for generations and it was based on their ideal that the force was black and white. Didn’t Obi-Wan lecture Qui-Gon to be more Orthodox throughout TPM? To someone familiar with the GFFA Ben’s statement is total bull shit.
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#226409
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"Original Vision"
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/226409/action/topic#226409
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Originally posted by: Darth_Evil

...George couldn't ever decide what his audience was, so he just wrote what felt good and was done with it. TPM was a huge mess because we had Jar-Jar's antics on one side, and Qui Gon and Obi-Wan's chats and duels on the other side. AOTC felt like he was catering to women who like chick flicks for most of it, and then near the end switched to action loving eight year olds. And ROTS was for action loving kids for much of it....for people who like chick flicks...and for whoever likes Jar-Jar he gave a nod to.


Originally posted by: CO
I honestly think Lucas changed once he was the ruler of Skywalker Ranch, and everything went from his vision to $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. If you look at THX-1138, American Grafitti, Star Wars, Raiders of the Lost Ark and ESB which he didn't direct, they were all films where he took a chance, and didn't worry about putting little kiddies in the theaters to pad the gross box office...

...Success was a double edged sword, we got classics like SW & ESB that are still great today, but then we get duds like ROTJ, The SE, and the PT, and more TV show crap on the way, which takes no chances, but is just another ploy to make more money to feed Lucas's empire. We created the monster, now we are paying for it.


Originally posted by: SpecialEditionSaboteur
...I'm against a director or any single person have complete control over the entire movie. Lets face it, as great as some directors are (Kubrick, Lynch, etc..) they are never exempt from making artistic misjudgments. That's why they need producers, editors, writers, etc.. to keep them in check and make sure they deliver a product thats acceptable by the masses. The OOT was a collaborative effort, while the PT was just one man telling everyone else what to do. In the end it = crap.


It all goes together. George gained creative control, George ignored the advice of other professionals (probably in part to display his control) and we ended up with a sub par product. Does anyone really think Rick or one of George’s other lackeys had the intestinal fortitude to tell George that he switched the focus of his movies at least twice in each PT film? I doubt if any of them even noticed, but a professional producer or editor would tell an artist that they were shifting focus too frequently. TPM and ROTS can’t be written with the same audience in mind unless the ultimate goal was a parody.
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#226403
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Shadow of the Empire (book)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/226403/action/topic#226403
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If you’re looking for decent EU that revolves around crime syndicates I would recommend the Solo Trilogy over Shadows. SOE was hyped like crazy, but the novel didn’t live up to it. The N64 game did in some respects. It jumped between modes (Shoot-em-up, third person adventure, et al) too much for my taste, but it was VERY popular. At the time it was one of only five N64 games available and I can remember seeing a used copy for sale at a videogame store in Dallas for $100. When I finally got a copy I remember being under whelmed, but the Hoth battle was well executed.

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#226398
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Finally Got Rid of My 2004 DVD's...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/226398/action/topic#226398
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Originally posted by: Tiptup

Oh, and I agree about the old-men-and-inexperienced-warriors comment by Lucas. That's bugged me for a long time now. He completely negated his own reasoning in episodes two and three.

All in all though, I did like the lightsaber duels in TPM all around. They were a bit too flashy, sure, but the feeling of intensity present within them was fantastic. The final duel in that movie made the Sith seem very threatening (too bad the scene where Obiwan sliced him in half seemed so cartoony). I believe Darth Maul was a pretty sweet villain despite not being explored as a substantial character (as he should have been).


I agree with both of those statements. The TPM Duel was the best part of the entire PT as far as I’m concerned despite the fact that it went a little overboard.

Dooku and GG totally negate George’s rationale for the Duel on the Original Death Star. Then again most of the PT seems to go to great lengths to negate elements of the OT.

I didn’t like anything about the ROTS Duel between Anakin and Ben. The early dialog was destroyed by GL’s inept attempt at an insult of George W, “Only Sith deal in absolutes.” What a load of crap. I guess Yoda was a Sith when he said, “Do or do not, there is no try.” The late dialog was destroyed by Ben’s “I have the high ground” statement. Did the high ground matter when Obi-Wan killed Darth Maul? I won’t even go into the actual Lightsaber duel and how difficult it made it for me to maintain my suspension of disbelief. I think the music was probably the only thing that was close to right in that sequence.


Congratulations to Darth_Evil; that is probably the most generous way to discard a load of tripe that I’ve ever heard of. I hope your cousins enjoy themselves.