DarkFather

doubleofive said:

Not bad, but if HAN died we'd REALLY need some reaction shots.

As for reaction shots, it could be something subtle. As when Luke is looking on at the ghosts, alter his expression slightly to reflect an underlying sadness. When Leia comes up behind him to beckon him over to the celebration, the alterations would need to be a lot more substantial... though at the same time not too hard to pull off: take away the broad smile, and replace it with a weaker smile to Luke that only lasts for a brief moment, while making it clear that she has tears running down her face.

Also, we could put a pire next to Anakin's for Han. It doesn't necessarily have to be a tradition exclusively for Jedi, but a tradition in honor of the greatest of heroes.

He has a funny feeling like he's never going to see her again.

And... if we take away the ropes holding Han's feet to the sand cruiser over the Sarlaac Pit... it could also act as a hint to Han being attuned to the Force.

Hmm. I still say Han dies, though. I'll try to pick a moment in the film when this can be done later. Expect greatness.

Lando sacrificing himself, I believe, would be superfluous. As Bingowings already mentioned, his redemption was putting himself on the line for months in order to save Han from Jabba. He was hanging around as a mole waiting to sabotage in one of the murkiest locations in the galaxy.

Only Han dying in the carbonite, which he obviously survived, would warrant Lando sacrificing himself at the Battle of Endor. I doubt Lando has much guilt left in his mind now that Han is rescued in no small part thanks to him.

That's why I vote that if we are going to have any of the heroes die in the final clash between Rebellion and Empire, it is better to have it be Han. To have rescued the rogue-turned-hero only to have him die soon afterward would add an extra sense of tragedy to the death.

In essence, they would have undertook a long, dangerous rescue mission just to have a few more precious days with their dear friend.

It's poetic.

Hopefully he's changed his mind since then.

It was still a Death Star. Death Star with a slightly different scenario for destroying it, yes, though the less lazy route would have been to have an entirely new concept altogether (including something else rather than a Death Star).

 they said that it was pointless expecting answers about ROTS:R.

It's not for any of us to say with certainty what ideas Adywan already has floating around in his head for ROTS.

doubleofive was the one who mentioned the new Vader footage for ROTS. Maybe he knows something the rest of us do not.

The next trilogy would have to be animated. I highly suggest if that were a goal in the future, that Adywan team up with experienced animators (not just those learning in college).

Incentive.

I have you now.

Problem is, I recently talked about ROTS in the Prequel Radical Redux thread and people want to say how pointless it is because it's so far off. Who cares? let people talk about whatever film they want to as long as it is in the appropriate thread.

Bingowings said:

I don't know how it could be done but an alternate take could be to kill Han in the Endor battle (so he never see's the Falcon again) and have Lando live and marry Leia (many, many years later).

That would make Harrison Ford happy, keep the cries of "You killed the only black character" at bay and what's more move him from the B list to the A list characters.

Killing Lando is more doable though.

I'm all for reshuffling the deck with Jedi, after the great build up of the first two films it was a let down and set up the even greater let down to come.

Lando getting together with Leia now that Han is dead? I like it.

asterisk8 said:

DarkFather said:

Okay. This whole "it's a long ways off, there's no point in talking about it yet" is getting REALLY old.

This isn't a situation for us as observers and advisors where we're stuck with having to cross whatever bridge when we come to it. We're in the cool seats of being able to talk about any film in the saga, and what we believe needs changed. It's irrelevant how far off it is.

Talk about it all you want. Just not in this thread. This thread is for Empire Strikes Back: Revisited. Adywan shouldn't have to wade through 20 posts about ROTJ to find the one important post about an ESB continuity error, and it's also unfair to those people who bring up good points that get lost in the midst of an off-topic discussion.

OK, I'm done hall-monitoring. ;)

I doubt the post I quoted was an effort to keep the thread on topic.

Janskeet said:

DarkFather said:

We'd already covered a Death Star. It's lazy from a storytelling perspective.

 

Even if it was a battle over Courasant, would it be any different? I liked the idea of a second Death Star. Why not make another one? Remeber, before 1983, nobody had seen anything like ROTJ. So the material probably seemed more original back then.

I answered that in the comment you quoted.

Okay. This whole "it's a long ways off, there's no point in talking about it yet" is getting REALLY old.

This isn't a situation for us as observers and advisors where we're stuck with having to cross whatever bridge when we come to it. We're in the cool seats of being able to talk about any film in the saga, and what we believe needs changed. It's irrelevant how far off it is.

Before the PT Universe was wiped from existance, I'd take Qui-Gon and Ewan's Obi-Wan aboard the mothership for safety. Aaaand... everything else would be gone. Even the things I like about the PT aside from the character of Qui-Gon and Ewan's amazing performance, could have been done so much better.

We'd already covered a Death Star. It's lazy from a storytelling perspective.

Let's show some stray wampas there in the landing bay. It'd be like Battlefront II's Hunt mode on Hoth.

So the base is being abandoned to destruction and the wild native life forms.

ChainsawAsh said:

Well, you asked what he's planning on doing.  We don't know.  There really isn't much more we can discuss about it at this point, since we also have no idea what he's planning with the PT in general, much less ROTS.  Hell, we know very little about what he's planning for ROTJ, other than that it's going to be extensive, and the ending battle will be expanded considerably.

Now, if you want to discuss ideas about what Ady could do with his Vader suit for ROTS, by all means go for it, but most of us aren't thinking anywhere near that far ahead and probably won't until at least TPM:Revisited comes out so we know the general direction that Ady wants to take his PT edits.

"Who nows" wasn't an answer.

 You can see my first comment as an invite to discuss what we think needs to be in the new footage.

DarthBo said:

Who nows?

Does it matter?

ROTS:revisited is probably another 10 years away...

And how is that a reason for us to not discuss it and plan ahead? And it matters to me, since you know, I brought it up.

Vaderisnothayden said:

I don't buy the months-elapsed-in-ESB thing. That's not in the film we have, whatever Kershner intended.

I was always under the impression it was a few days. There's really nothing whatsoever in the movie to suggest otherwise.

Gaffer Tape said:

I said that Kershner still thinks it's too speedy.  Yes, George came in and re-edited the film.  It stunk.  But Kersh still had to make some concessions to him.

???

I was speaking to everyone about the topic.

What exactly does Adywan want Vader to be doing in the new suited Vader footage for ROTS?

You think what we have now is speedy? From what I hear, when Lucas came back for the editing phase, and tried editing Empire, it was faster and more choppy than what we have now. Thank goodness for Kershner saving the day again.