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#593328
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Making our own 35mm preservation--my crazy proposal
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I made the comment on the old jedi.net forums, but Cineform HD avi is a great mezzanine format.  This is a segment of Temple of Doom:

General
Complete name                            : E:\CINEFORM\Temple of Doom\IndianaJones_TempleOfDoom_FilmLook_p1_CFHD_1080p2398.avi
Format                                   : AVI
Format/Info                              : Audio Video Interleave
Format profile                           : OpenDML
File size                                : 8.15 GiB
Duration                                 : 9mn 43s
Overall bit rate                         : 120 Mbps
Writing library                          : VirtualDub build 32842/release

Video
ID                                       : 0
Format                                   : CineForm
Codec ID                                 : CFHD
Codec ID/Info                            : CineForm 10-bit Visually Perfect HD (Wavelet)
Duration                                 : 9mn 43s
Bit rate                                 : 120 Mbps
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate                               : 23.976 fps
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 2.411
Stream size                              : 8.15 GiB (100%)

Now, I think I did this as Medium HD rather than High HD, but still the size of a feature is between 90-140GB.

It's now free for home use:

http://gopro.com/3d-cineform-studio-software-download/

Limited to 4:2:0 colour space, but definitely worth considering. We use the pro version at work to ingest from HDCAM SR.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CineForm

This is very much a viable option - I wouldn't know where to start working with OpenEXR.

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#592850
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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released)
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Laserschwert said:

For the Blu-ray (and DVD, respectively) this is probably much more difficult, as I haven't seen a single fanmade disc that contained multi-angle. I'm only familiar with Adobe Encore for authoring discs and it STILL doesn't support multi-angle.

Doesn't have to be multi-angle for BD, you could do the elements as seperate clips and then seamlessly link them together in different playlists.

That's how the 2011 Blu-rays are done.

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#592779
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Shot List Spreadsheet - v0.6.05 - 6 films - <strong>Multiple SW Audio Mix Changes Added Recently</strong>
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Many Thanks None.

I did some initial research last night, exporting the Star Wars spreadsheet to HTML.  I know MediaWiki allows for HTML Tables.

Still undecided the best way to display things, but I'm currently leading towards breaking things into reels, hence my asking, just because it would make the page easier to navigate.

I'm wondering whether the best thing is to have a list of reels, indicating where they start and finish.  Each reel consists of a number of scenes. Each Scene has it's own wiki page listing the shots, audio / visual differences etc.

At the moment, just throwing ideas around.

I currently have ROTJ Project Blu v1 and 2011 BD ripped to my machine as Cineform AVIs so I'm wondering if it is worth incorporating frame numbers from both GOUT and Later releases...

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#591857
Topic
Special Edition to 2011 Audio Changes
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I was looking to try and sync the 1997 SE LD Rips alongside the 2011 BD Video - I know there will be issues with the sync during the celebration seq but I was wondering if there was a list of changes anywhere.

I wanted to look at:

  • 1997 SE 5.1 (LD Rip)
  • 1997 SE 2.0 (LD Rip)
  • 2004 DVD 5.1
  • 2011 BD 5.1

 

I've started to sync the 1997 SE 2.0 Rip and so far it's pretty good, although when listening to it next to the 2011 BD Center track, there's some minor phasing every once in a while.

So Far, I've only had to make 2 edits:

  1. When Threepio is introducing R2 to Jabba's Door, I've had to add about 6 frames.
  2. When The Emperor tells Vader to rise, I've had to add a couple of frames.

 

Has anyone had any issues?

Is it even worth trying to sync these tracks? We know there's the Vader Nooo! at the end as a difference, but otherwise is there anything of note between the above tracks?

 

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#571938
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The Godfather Saga - HD Restoration (Released)
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The Aluminum Falcon said:

digitalfreaknyc said:


I'm running into a snag, though. It looks like there were some choppy parts in part 3 so I'm going to have to plug the holes with the official Blu-ray.

Oh that's unfortunate. Will you need to degrade the resolution of the parts from the Blu-Ray to match the HDTV capture better? I assume that the HDTV capture is at other 720p or 1080i so the BD may be a slight jump-up in quality.

Other than compression, there should be no quality jump between 1080i and 1080p once 3:2 pulldown has been removed.

But then DFNYC will already know this :-)

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#525615
Topic
Star Wars coming to Blu Ray (UPDATE: August 30 2011, No! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!)
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Voting with your wallet is the best any of us can do, and the question is if there are enough people to actually make a difference.

I'm not sure on the sales numbers for the 2004 DVD Box Set, but they announced I think it was about 2.5 million copies on it's first day. Of that group, figure how many people were honestly upset about the quality of the set?

To fix the audio issues on Episode IV's rear channels would be $20-25K Tops - that would get you a new encode / DLT Master and probably enough units to send out to those bothered - and to be honest a large part of that may be hit by the company who made the mistake, so the outlay to Fox would be very low - but they don't see the point, and I'm interested to see if they have ever admitted to a mistake.

Chewtobacca is correct, the wording for the product swap for Gladiator was hilarious in not admitting blame for anything - it could have only been written by a lawyer.

Lucasfilm actually made things worse by commenting on the issue at all as it enraged the fans who were bothered by the fact.  But can you imagine if the response had been "Yeah, there is an issue, but our distributor won't admit there is one, so they're not repressing".

Same deal with Fellowship and Peter Jackson - everyone knows there's an issue, it's the elephant in the room.  No one is going to admit it, and they reckon it only affects the minority of people anyway.  Plus with AACS costs, doing a reprint is FAR more expensive than DVD...

I'm not saying it's right, I'm not apologising for it, but I am being pragmatic.  Star Wars to most people is mass market sci-fi marshmallow - it's a movie which people watch and unfortunately, the majority of the world is comprised of a bunch of idiots who don't care enough about lightsabres and audio mixes.  How many actually have their TV sets set up to actually watch anamorphic footage correctly anyway? We all know people like that.

Criterion, Eureka, BFI, Kino all take care over their products because they know they are aiminng at a smaller niche market of film fans who will expect the best they can do.

To everyone else it's a commoditised business.

Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

But the changes that LFL is doing to SW is not at all "how the real world works".  Changing the films so radically and then not restoring the theatrical versions is very unusual for a motion picture of this importance.  Releasing a non-anamorphic laserdisc master is also not at all customary for a movie with such a significant theatrical impact, especially for a company with the kind of resources and capital that LFL has.

You're right Puggo, which is why I broke down some of the 'issues' people have with the 2004 DVDs.  What Lucas is doing to the heritage of this film is very sad, but there appears to be nothing that anyone can or is willing to say to change this.  There's only so much you can be at logger heads with your boss / client before you have to accept that they pay your wage / your bills.

What I am saying is that we should understand that not everything that is wrong with the 2004 DVDs is Lucas' fault.  If the mix in the rears isn't reversed on the new Blu-rays, will everyone say "He's listened to us!" or is it more of the case that the encoding Monkey didn't make the same mistake twice?

Of course William's score will still take second place to Ben Burtt's effects track...

none said:

DVD-BOY wrote:

You're looking at 4-6 weeks beforehand to get stock into the logistic and fufillment warehouses.

So this is 4-6 weeks for production, there's also shipping/distribution.  Working backwards from Sept. 19, going with 2 weeks for shipping/distribution worldwide (seems low, would crates of disc be shipped overseas by ship or plane?), that's two months which could make the drop dead point for revisions being mid-July 2011.  canofhumdingers introduced the Humdinger to the public's attention June 26, so it's possible if LFL didn't know about it before then, they had a small window to fix it.

If they had gotten to that late stage to only then realise about the Humdinger glitch, they could have gone back and got it fixed - it would have been a real scramble but if your client brings up such a basic VT error, and let's not forget ALL of Star Wars work could be done at the same facility, then you would pull WHATEVER you could out of the bag to hit the defined deadline.  Worse Case Scenario, they're scraping 1million+ Blu-ray discs and re-pressing - who do you think is going to pay for that?

Or maybe it was spotted and fixed - no one is going to admit they missed it the last time.

Replication you would just send electronic masters around the world and replicate in territory - hence the slight differences to packaging.  Don't forget my original link was for a single replication machine - these companies will have 10, 20 lines by now.  What big Playstation 3 games are coming out in October / November? What about Jurassic Park?  Companies have a lot of discs going through right now.

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#525594
Topic
Star Wars coming to Blu Ray (UPDATE: August 30 2011, No! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!)
Time

I know I said I was going to go back to lurking, but just reading back through these posts here is a reasonable question that someone may know the answer to:

Has 20th Century Fox ever done a product recall on a DVD or Blu-ray?

  • Paramount / Universal did Gladiator for the appalling quality video.
  • Warners have done Superman III and IV in the original DVD boxset, as well as Bladerunner and The Matrix.
  • Disney did a swap on Pirates of the Carribean Blu-ray.

 

Have Fox ever admitted an issue with one of their titles?

First 22m of Braveheart has reduced vertical resolution according to this article - http://homecinema.thedigitalfix.com/content/id/71460/braveheart.html (Fox released Braveheart outside US)

Not sure if there are others.

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#525560
Topic
Star Wars coming to Blu Ray (UPDATE: August 30 2011, No! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!)
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none said:

Let's say they did take their time with this release, what would have been an approximate date for last change?  Do they need a month for reproduction of 100k copies of a 9 disc set?  How many did the 2004 set sell?

Disc replication could be relatively quick - perhaps just a couple of weeks to produce the numbers required:

http://www.singulus.de/de/optical-disc/replikationslinien/bluline-ii-features.html

This quotes a cycle time of 4.5s on a BD-50.

You're looking at 4-6 weeks beforehand to get stock into the logistic and fufillment warehouses.

You've also got to balance up what other titles are going through as well - Q3-Q4 obviously everyone is getting ready for Christmas.

Again, it's not about the date of the last change, that shouldn't be an issue because they shouldn't be being rushed.  There will be a cost involved in how quick the job can be turned around in - ficticous / unrealistic deadlines that have to be met. I have spent months discussing a job in the planning phase only to see the press release go up before the assets turn up , then the client is screaming they're going to miss their deadline.

I guess my main point is that there are different issues which are attributed to different points in the entire process:

  • Editorial Changes - Lucas
  • Colour Grading - Lucas / Post Production
  • Humdinger - VT Ops who didn't runtime the layoff / tape dub
  • Overbearing Sound Effects / Mix - Burtt / Wood / Whoever
  • Reversed Rear Channels for 1 Real - Compressionist

 

If you flag a certain issue further down the line, the question is did your company introduce it and unfortunately 'is it good enough'.

The original Godfather DVD release looked awful, everyone said it was awful and I heard through a friend of a friend that he failed it during QC multiple times because it looked awful.  In the end the question was:

Does it look like the Master we were supplied? Yes it did.

Then it has passed QC.

A VT Op should have spotted the Humdinger glitch, but it's not his job to say the lightsabres look wrong, because as a fan he knows they should have white cores. And even if he did, who is going to listen to him?

Same as the original trilogy.  Lucas made the change in 1997 and as far as he's concerend it's done.  Everything else will be based on that, and that's the company line, that's what everyone is briefed on.  Perhaps every once in a while someone tries to suggest a return to the original versions, but probably get's fobbed off by their line manager, or their boss' boss because they know the company line and don't want to rock the boat.  These people have jobs and they can't Martyr themselves because the company doesn't see it the 'fans' way.

I knew there was a reason I just read here and keep my mouth shut - when the worst comes out of this community it's like a gang of whining armchair quaterbacks who don't have a clue how 'the real world' works.

I'm not justifying these practises, it's just the nature of the industry and sadly not every studio is like Criterion.

I think I'll go back to lurking...

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#525395
Topic
Star Wars coming to Blu Ray (UPDATE: August 30 2011, No! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!)
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adywan said:

The bit of that interview that really makes me laugh is this:

Luckily we are both huge star wars fans(Wood and Dave Accord--clone wars sound designer) so it was not hard to do because if things were not right you just felt it.

We used our huge fandom as well as our professional prowess to make it work.

I guess they aren't such big fans as they thought then because if they thought that the swapped surround channels and the effects coming out of the incorrect left & right speakers in certain parts sound right, then they don't know the film at all. lol

Yet the audio mixes for the Clone Wars cartoons is amazing, so why was the 2004 mix so bad?. If only, when they remix these movies, they would do it the same way as the cartoons, with clean dialogue and effects in the centre channel without any music bleed. They are a fan editors dream

/Tired Rant On.

Here's a crazy thought, but perhaps the company doing the audio / video encoding screwed up?

If the discs were somehow rushed / or someone was not paying attention it would be very easy to accidently point the wrong files at the encoder.

The guys mixing the audio aren't going to QAR the encodes themselves, and if they did notice it, but it was too late to change anything.  It would be pretty unproffesional of them to start pointing fingers at Deluxe / Technicolor / Whichever high profile company did the work.

Likewise with the Humdinger glitch - worst case scenario it's a head error on the master SR tape, in which case they've had to go back and fix it.  Otherwise it's an error on the safety copy and they've just gone back and patched in from the master.  What's sad is that it was never picked up in a QAR at either the layoff, tape dub, encode or any subsequent stage.

I was watching the True Grit bonus features on Blu-ray a while back, and I noticed for the girl's audition footage they hadn't de-interlaced before upscaling, so the footage had big blurry toothcombing.  There are people working in this industry who just make flat out mistakes.  I don't blame lucas for the swapped rear channels anymore than I blame the Coen Brothers for a basic video processing error on one of their films.

It's frustrating that we're not getting the original films at this time on Blu-ray. It's going to be annoying when the various errors show up on these Blu-ray discs, because I very much doubt they will be technically perfect when the come under the gaze of communities such as this one, and the Blu-ray online community in general who (perhaps rightly so) expect that each release should 'be all it can be'.

10 years ago, DVD Production in the UK was Five Figures per title, and they recieved an asset QC before encoding and then at least one more QC for each video / audio stream on the disc.  Now, you're lucky if a title costs £1K and everyone makes the assumption that the QC stage can be skipped because someone else will have done it before you recieve the tape.  And I know from first hand experience that some companies have poorly maintained decks and you will always get Tape / Channel Condition errors.

George Lucas doesn't have his hand in the DVD / Blu-ray Production process anymore than most other directors - if the head of your company insisted signing of everything every employee did, they would be considered 'paranoid' or 'micro-managing'.  You employ Producers and Product Managers for that sort of role.  And you know what they're human, probably spread too thin and they'll make mistakes.

The sad fact of the matter is that we live in a 'good enough' environment now - mp3 and the convience of Video on Demand is what most people want.  A DVD Producer at SDCC a few years back suggested double disc sets will go the way of the Dodo soon, as sales figures had shown on (I Think) Superman Returns there was a 5:1 difference between the movie only and movie and bonus versions.  It might have been higher than that.  If you were a studio and you saw numbers like that, why would you spend money on bonus content, when five times as many people will by the bare bones edition?

BTW This isn't aimed at Adywan, I love his work and his attention to detail, but his post is a shining example of the (I believe) misdirected frustration when it comes to High Profile DVD / Blu-rays that we see in all online communities.

/Tired Rant Off.

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#511770
Topic
How to rip (and demux) the deleted scenes from Episode I NTSC DVD?
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Thanks Ady, I tried that, but I just got a seperate vob for each clip - if I go to demux these, for example with DGMPG, I get 17ms delay on the Pod Race Starting Grid Seq.  Previewing this back in Cuttermaran and the sync is WAY off.

For some reason, the introductions are fine, it's just the deleted scenes themselves that are off.

The strange thing is the VOB files play back fine in VLC - it's just the demuxing which seems to be causing an issue.

Thanks

DVD-BOY

PS: Just realised that I didn't mention demuxing in the original post, just ripping - apologies.

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#511502
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How to rip (and demux) the deleted scenes from Episode I NTSC DVD?
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It may seem like a simple question, but what tool would you guys suggest for ripping the deleted scenes and their relevant intros from the Region 1 NTSC DVD Bonus disc?

I think they use seamless branching to offer the two as separate options and together which means the intros always rip with out of sync audio.

Any suggestions greatly appreciated.

DVD-BOY

-- UPDATE --

So, weirdly the ac3 demuxed is way out of sync, but if I decode the ac3 to a wav with eac3to, the wav is fine. Thanks for the suggestions.