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Just uploaded to the spleen. Two cuts on there, one anotated and one not.

It’s a little inaccurate to say hue shift though.

When it comes to digital video or films grading . We don’t work in Hue we work in mostly in RGB values, contrast and saturation. It’s very rare to even touch the hue knob as it pushes everything to the right or left. Not helpful at all. (Yes there are ways to specifically alter and shift specific hues but neither the film nor the bluray likely used these techniques)

When it comes to badly regarded films it’s a case of RGB curves and saturation that makes them look so much bluer or greener or redder or magenta. Film prints don’t degrade by shifting hues, but by the RGB particles degrading at different rates.

The Death Star shot you posted. Nothing to do with hue shifts and everything to do with RGB and saturation.

NeverarGreat said:

I misinterpreted this thread as ‘STAR WARS but every shot comes from a random movie’ as in a shot that is similar to one from Star Wars but from a different movie entirely.

It’s been done

Currently rendering out a new copy with labels on the sources.

I tried putting puggo into it but it was a little too degraded, also needed GOUT syncing. I couldn’t find any gout syncable widescreen VHS caps either.

Do you ever find yourself wanting to watch STAR WARS but can’t decide on what version to watch? Why not watch all of them! Here is the STAR WARS you know and love but every other shot comes from a randomized source! Laserdisc, SDTV, Bluray, 35mm, 8mm, this has it all!

This is a fun little project of mine that is part of a larger project that I’ll be showing off soon. 4 Versions of Star Wars, broken down shot by shot in a spreadsheet that contains the in and out for each shot and how the different cuts relate to each other. From that database, a script is created that mixes and matches various different sources and different cuts of the film into one nauseating but watchable cut. A single viewing of Star Wars that spans 40 years of authorised and unauthorised home video releases.

The project is created through formulas which create an avisyth script which then creates this. Right now I have a sample but the full length film will be available very soon. A note that the script interacts with files that have simply been downloaded and demuxed from mp4 to mkv, no other alterations have been made, the scrpt mixes SE and GOUT sources without breaking a sweat.

SAMPLES: Battle of Yavin https://streamable.com/soh09
Luke Meets Obi-wan https://streamable.com/4ucal

What is the purpose of this?
First it is to test out this new database, having the source change at every cut allows me to check for misplaced frame counts, one of which is in the sample linked above. Any help identifying misaligned cuts is most appreciated.
Second, as a proof of concept to what I believe will be an important tool for Star Wars restorations, having all these sources catalogued precisely will allow for custom star wars versions to be created with simple expressions. Stay tuned for a separate thread on that.
Third, it’s very interesting to see STAR WARS in this way, with the color changing constantly, image artefacts switching from dust and grain to disc rot, video noise, DVNR smearing, over sharpening, aliasing. It’s a fascinating look at how star wars has looked over 40 years and how it could look when taking into account all of these differences. Every time I watch I find myself enjoying the look of various different colors. I don’t think there is a single film out there that has had so many different looks.

Sources used:
4K77 non-DNR v1.0
4K77 DNR v1.0
4K77 Grindhouse
Silver Screen Editon v1.6
Derann Super 8mm (Althor1138)
Despecialized v2.7
1995 THX Faces LD (Spanish) (Althor1138)
Japanese Special Collections edition LD (Althor1138)
1997 SE LD (Althor1138)
Special Edition Team Blu BD
GOUT (Return of the GOUT Upscale)
HDTV (Schorman)
Retail Bluray

Database sources are the Shotlist here started by none and none’s AARRSSTW which had the frame counts in a spreadsheet which came from negative1.

Full version on the Spleen.

I think the closest Star Wars gets to Sci-Fi is the droids vs clones thing, but the ethics of using a droid or a clone army are in no way a theme of the story which would make it true sci-fi.

It’s entirely plausible that you could take A new hope and transplant it to middle earth without changing any important story details. Swap X-wings with archers on horseback etc.

Star Wars 2.7
00:03:48:16
Frames
5488
5489

Seems like this shot has somehow slipped out. The frames preceeding and following these two are correct so I’m not sure how this happened.

Seriously, no one should go near HDR without the proper monitoring equipment. And even then, I wouldn’t advise anyone to do it without the proper training and experience, especially working with such degraded materials. HDR is dependant on extreme precision, you can’t just try it.

Sorry that sounds a litte extreme, I just don’t want to see time wasted on a crummy HDR grade.

They are two totally different approaches to restoration, watch both and see which one you prefer watching. There is no definitive answers as to which one is “Better”.

Honestly its going to get very messy from this point on, over at the 4K77 forums there are half a dozen people doing their own color grade, several versions all at varying stages of restoration.

I think projects should either stick to original unaltered colors or go all out and do a proper shot by shot grade for consistency and balance and to make it what a real back to negative restoration would be. I like the latest release, but It could be a lot better.

oojason said:
From John Kasdan - co-writer of Solo…

‘In honor of the digital release of #SoloAStarWarsStory & in lieu of a commentary, here are 53 random factoids & notes about the making & writing for anybody who’s interested. If you haven’t seen the movie yet… maybe watch it before reading? Anyway, enjoy the movie & #MTFBWY’

https://twitter.com/JonKasdan/status/1040529501870944256

Interestingly Kasdan seems to advocate for the sort of galaxy shrinking cameos i detest in these movies. Im very happy that many of them seem to have been overruled.

Another way to look at these films and all film franchises is to see the films as if they are films about true stories.

Like every film about true stories, they cast actors to play real people, they twist dialogue, characters, events in order to make them work as a digestable 2 hour movie. The films arent the things they present, they are just the lens we use to look at these events. And I think that works for Star Wars, you can believe they are based on true stories. Instead of “Based on a true story” These films are always preceeded with

“A Long time ago, in a galaxy far far away…”

You’re watching movies wrong.

You have to see movies as being subjective, they aren’t documentaries, they are human made works of visual art. You have to separate the story from the physical construction of the film. You have to look past the fact that the effects look crummy in A new hope compared to those in Force awakens. Or that Obi Wan is played by two clearly different people. Or the fact that Darth Vader talks with a deep black voice yet walks like a sassy british bodybuilder.

If you want to watch films properly you need to see past these things, separate the craft from the story and appreciate both for what they are. Suspend your disbelief.

Just had a hunt for some, found some german versions with german audio. 720p 16:9, is this what you have?

Edit: They are pillarboxed, but they do seem Highish quality.

Edit2: On closer inspection, they look to come from the same SD masters as the DVD and dont have much more detail.

I mean, you can do what you want in the privacy of your own home, you just cant distribute it. Free or otherwise.

You can do what you want, the issue is distribution.

Why do it in Avisynth over Premiere?

There’s one on the spleen, 4K77 - DrDre’s Single Reel Color Correction - 1080p No DNR. Not sure how similar it is to the DNR version.

I think this is where 4K77 and Despecialized can be different.

4K77 is strictly print based, it’s what a original Technicolor print would look like projected. And I think correcting some of the color imbalances from the inconsistent Technicolor process would be acceptable. Using reel by reel correction to keep it “authentic”

Then Despecialized should be Bluray based and be what we would expect a propper o-neg based restoration to be. So shot to shot correction to correct inconsistent color timing, removing heavy print grain and adding light negative grain where applicable. Basically what the BR would look like if it was done properly.

I think the inevitable disney 4K rerelease of the OT will be something like The Matrix’s rerelease. New scan with DOP approved grading to match the print but much more consistent shot to shot.

The tank was originally red but production difficulties made them change it to a clear blue color. Something to do with lighting.

Sorry nitpicking, but I don’t believe they had slog2 on any Sony cameras back in 2005.

The Storytelling Language of Star Wars. A fantastic breakdown of all the visual filmmaking techniques in Star Wars and how they have changed over the years. From Patrick (H) Williams.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfjT9JAmVYY&t=0s

Oh they definitely had a reason. It’s diningenuous to call it a mistake but these things catch your eye. Especially when the floor flops too.

Oh here is a great one. These shots are two cuts apart.

Flopped Obiwan. It’s incredible how many compositing mistakes there are in this film.

Try looking at phantom frame by frame. It has some hideous compositing.