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GhostAlpha26 said:

#10. I agree with that, especially with the ending, it was done poor. Dispatching Two-Face so quickly and not allowly the chance to further develope his chracter in the next movie was a complete failure. Saving the Joker and not wrapping up his story was terrible.

 

 Two Face is a plot point, not a main point, and I think people are missing that angle.  This isn't your typical comic book movie, where the bad guy IS the bad guy, this is about a city that has gone to hell, and there a bad guys all over the place, some aligned, some not.  The Joker is not the main villain, he is just a bad guy, the mob is a bad guy, Two Face becomes a symbol of the whole movie:  Choice.  Everyone in the movie, including even the Butler Alfred has to make a choice and they each must face the ramifications of their decisions.   Alfred decides to never show Bruce Wayne the letter from Rachel that she really wasn't going to stay with him before she died, but Alfred decides that it is a better that Bruce goes to his grave thinking she thought he was the one.   Two face is a symbol of how a man, a good man, goes bad because of a tragic event.  Think of yourself, a successful DA, a pretty girl friend, all gone to hell after she dies and your face is burned off?  Sounds like what Lucas was trying to accomplish in ROTS, and the whole PT, and Nolan did it in the course of half the movie.  

I can honestly say that Batman Begins is a better movie now, the same way TPM should have been a better movie after AOTC & ROTS.  I thought Batman Begins was a good, but not great movie in 2005, but after seeing TDK, it is a perfect setup movie for the sequel, and Nolan has done his job for me.  BB is about development and growth and finding yourself, TDK is about choice and how it affects your life, what the third movie will be about in terms of symbolism, I am not sure, but I really can't wait.  

As I have said before, if you don't like this movie, that's cool with me cause everyone's opinion is their own, but you have to atleast respect that Nolan was trying to do something totally different in this genre, the same way Lucas did with ESB back in 1980. 

skyjedi2005 said:

AHEAD!

 

list of complaints i have heard from people who have seen the film:

1. Movie too cerebral, aka comic book takes itself too serioulsy and acts all hitchcock.

I knew this would split the fanbase, as I stated this before the movie even came out.  I can't begrudge anyone for what they like and dislike, but THIS is the reason I love the film, it doesn't talk down to people, it tries to portray a real story, have real characters, with real motivations.   Watching the movie, you don't know what is going to happen next, you don't know who is going to die, and you don't know how it is going to end.

If people want paint by numbers summer movies that have no drama, no good character development, just a 2 hour movie that has alot of explosions and cool action, then The Dark Knight is NOT for you.  I think the summer movie has gotten too safe, and that is why I rarely go to the movies anymore because they are all so boring and predictable, like that Indiana Jones IV movie, where you ask yourself what is the point of this movie, other then to rehash a character that everyone loves?

Don't complain about The Ewoks or Jar Jar cause Empire Strikes Back in 1980 was EXACTLY like The Dark Knight:  It was dark, it had an ending that left it to another sequel, and it spoke to an older audience that many complained was too serious compared to the Original Star Wars.  I remember back in 1980, there was a huge debate was ESB too dark and too adult for a summer movie, and because of that we got the tone of ROTJ & the PT.

I really hope you cut and pasted them, and you didn't type everyone out, as they will go down as the longest posts in the history of message boards!

Sunday256, I was just joking man.  I think we can enjoy a movie and still make fun of it every once in a while, it keeps things from getting too serious around here.

lordjedi said:

skyjedi2005 said:

The best reason why episode 1 is the best of the prequel trilogy is not in terms of content, But that it was actually shot on 35mm motion picture film.

 

I am so sick of reading this crap.  It doesn't matter what medium a movie is shot on.  Did you ever think for one moment that maybe they liked it better because of its content?  It doesn't matter if a movie is shot 100% digitally or not.  It's the story that counts and the above posters find the story of TPM (aside from midichlorians and the virgin birth) to be the best of the 3.  It has NOTHING to do with it being shot on 35mm.

 Lordjedi, I gotta respectfully disagree.  Episode II & III look like videogames, whereas Episode I has many scenes shot on real sets and real locations, so it is the one PT movie that actually clicks with the OT in terms of the visuals.  I understand what your saying about the story, and I do agree that story and characters are #1 & #2 when it comes to movies for me, but real sets and locations, IMO, can help a movie. 

Look at The Dark Knight, it has a great story, really good character development, but what makes it that much better is there isn't any CGI in it, or very little.  Christopher Nolan says in the HBO featurette, "I try to keep everything as real as possible, as I don't like using CGI."  So to me the 5 things that will make a great movie:  Story, Characters, Drama, No CGI, Score.

sunday256 said:

 

I'm perfectly fine with the love scenes as they are.

 Love scenes, where?  I know Anakin kissed Padme, and they rolled around during their picnic, but I can't believe I missed Anakin doing the dirty deed on Padme!  Was the love scenes anything like Risky Business as Anakin is the younger inexperienced one like Tom Cruise, and Padme was the older, prostitute like Rebecca Demornay?  I wonder if Lucas has a deleted scene of Anakin singing, "Old Time Rock and Roll" in his underwear once he gets the Jedi Temple to himself......

My TDK Review, don't worry I won't get specific or give any spoilers, I will just give my overall opinion of the film

First let me say, I am a tough critic, and I don't goto summer movies much anymore, cause most of the summer movies suck, including that crappola called Indy IV. TDK is fucking awesome, and is everything I have wanted in a summer blockbuster in the past 10-15 years. It lives up to the hype, and anyone who is looking for more in a movie then just constant action and special effects, this is your movie.

The movie is MADE for our age group (18-36 year olds) It is not made for kids, it is not dumbed down for the audience, as I will need to watch it again to fully digest the whole plot. There is no stupid shit in there like Jar Jar Binks or anything that will make you roll your eyes and think to yourself, "That was for merchandising."

Bale is great as usual, cool, calm, dark, edgy, and he IS Batman. Heath Ledger steals EVERY scene he is in, and this is what was missing from BB, a great villain, as Ledger is funny, over the top, yet you could picture him as a serial killer. The overall cast is great: Oldman, Caine, Freeman, even Gyllenhal does a good and is better then Katie 'Cruise' Holmes.

What made this movie great for me is it went deeper then the summer bullshit movies that are made every year. This movie made you think, made you question the decisions the characters were making, it made you put yourself in their position, and think, "OK, what would I do?" It got into the characters psychies, it showed their vulnerbilities, and it had a story that keeps you on your toes and isn't some paint by the numbers where you know where it is going. It was also greatly edited as it moved for a 2 1/2 hour movie, and never once got dull.

Nolan did a great job, and maybe Hollywood will take note that THIS is what people want to see, not CGI, not constant action, people like me want to see a grown up movie with a grown up story, with indepth characters set in a universe that only can be played out on a movie screen. This was the Star Wars of Comic Book movies to me.

This will rank right next to Superman I from 1978 as the two greatest comic book movies ever. Superman I is more like SW, dramatic, funny, and magical in the same breath, while TDK is more like ESB, dark, edgy, and kicks you right in the gut

TDK rating: A

Edit: I did forget, the movie is still fun if anyone was worrying it was going to be too serious. It has humor spread through the movie, that I feel BB lacked, as it balanced nicely with the serious subject the plot was dealing with. And it wasn't just The Joker who had all the funny lines like Nicolson had in 1989, Bale, Caine, and Freeman each got some good one liners in there.

TFN really exasperated the whole basher/gusher thing, and it is sad because there are alot of people who are in the middle, and got caught taking one side or another.  What happened at TFN to me and most people I knew, was that we loved the OT, kinda liked the PT, but felt it could have been better and we aired our grievences there.  Those people did not want to hear it, as if you ever spoke ill about ANYTHING towards the PT, you were considered a basher.

I remember defending the PT before ROTS, cause I always said to people, "Lets see the story out, then evaluate if it works as a trilogy."  But I would still post that Jar Jar was annoying, and the romance was pretty bad, and always said my 2 favorite SW movies were SW & ESB.  I got loads of PM's telling me to leave the site and they wondered why I would post here.  People like Shelley who would chastise me for criticising the PT, would then turn around and say, "Well, the OT always had bad dialogue, bad acting, and cater to kids, etc."  I used to laugh at the irony that they were trying to bring the OT down, by criticising that trilogy to make their points defending the PT!  Isn't that an oxymoron?

I got permabanned 2 years ago after I said Lucas was a being really disrespectful to the fans for the '06 OOT release, and man they shouted me down there, "You are getting what you deserve!!!"  I used to respond, "Before 1997, those were the versions you fell in love with, and now you are laughing cause Lucas is putting them out in shitty quality?"  Finally Darth Sapient permabanned me and sent me a PM, "Nobody cares about the OOT anymore, the saga is 6 movies, as you will never post here again." 

Thank god those people weren't our founding fathers in America, as we would have had a dictatorship instead of a democracy.   Strange bunch there......

DarkGryphon2048  

Personally, I'd much rather own the Indiana Jones films on Blu-ray compared to Star Wars. I'm not one of those atypical fanboys who whine, bitch and moan about Star Wars. Give me a fucking break, it's just a movie.

You do know are posting this in the SW section of the message boards?????  I can respect that you are a bigger fan of Indy then SW, and if you think people go too far on these message boards, thats cool with me, but do you understand that people post here are big fans of the SW movies????

Now when you say 'its just a movie' I think we can all agree on that.  I am not up late at night having insomnia cause Lucas wont release the OOT, but dude its the internet, and this is what the internet is.  A place to whine, bitch and moan!  I think we all understand that there are far more serious problems in the world, but in the context of this being a SW message board which specifically is called www.originaltrilogy.com, I think you can understand what type of fanbase would post here.

Ok, who here have seen any previews for this movie?  This movie looks freakin awesome!  Havent read any spoilers, but have just heard some spoiler-free reviews, and they are hooking this movie up saying Ledger is great in this.   They are liking it to a cross between a comicbook movie and Heat, in which is really has a gritty, realistic feel to it, rather then the typical by the numbers comic book movie.

Haven't cared about a summer movie for a long time, including that boring, nostalgia driven movie by those Lucas/Spielberg guys & Indiana Jones IV, but I will be there opening weekend for this one. 

Anyone else hyped for Christopher Nolans second Batman film?

Owen-Lars-Kenobi said:

 The story and characters of the original trilogy are always going to be the same, the films haven't really been "ruined" unless you're going nitpick and be caught up with things that shouldnt really matter.

 

Tell that to Sebastian Shaw, the first dead actor in the history of movies to be replaced!

This is why I love Nolans movies, as the man 'gets' it when it comes to CGI.  I honestly think there will be a huge shift in movies in the next 10 years, as many directors are going to take firm stands on CGI or no-CGI.  You will have the Michael Bay crowd that will be all action, all glitz, all CGI for all the ADD teenagers out there who can't standstill in their seats for more then 2 minutes at a time.  Then you will have the Christopher Nolan crowd who will still rely on a good story and great characters to sell their movie, as I believe Batman:  The Dark Knight will be the best movie this summer cause this one will not be some CGI/Action cheesefest like most of the crap that comes out these days.