“Dark Vador” iz zee spelleeng a la francaise.
Of the 4 usenet search engines I’ve tried, the 8 GB and 14 GB versions of Adywan’s 1997 ESB only seem to show up under NZBKing. This site’s NZB files changed format for some reason a year or two ago immediately after their servers crashed for a few days, and ever since my usenet software (alt.binz 3.94 - free and portable) hasn’t pulled in their data correctly whether the file was uploaded before or after the crash. It seems to think the individual rar file sizes are only 250 kB, for example.
You may have better luck with more up to date software. As for a news server, free-usenet is great albeit slow.
All the frames are at least a little pink. Some are pinker than others, but on the whole there is less fading than on the other 35mm prints we scanned. So the samples above have been adjusted slightly to show how much color information is still there.
Here is an untouched frame from the same set, for reference:
Thanks for the comparison; the untouched frame doesn’t look too badly faded at all. Is this Fuji type of print therefore generally more stable and slower to fade to red than whatever was used for the Grindhouse print (Eastman?). I remember seeing a few untouched frames from the Grindhouse a few years ago which looked like they had been doused with ketchup!
Out of interest, are these untouched frames, or has basic colour-correction been applied to make them less faded? When you mentioned earlier that the print was faded, I was wondering if it had started to fade to red to the same extent as the Grindhouse print from 2015.
That’s odd - never had that pixel appear on my screen near the PM icon (I also use the dark theme).
Thank you for sharing this documentary, Adywan. Just watched it today and thoroughly enjoyed it - fascinating to see what they achieved back in 1980 with the technology available. The Hoth Wampa shoot was a real highlight.
It’s very hard to estimate the risk, but keeping things seeded would certainly help your cause. Another solution is just to get 4K77 (and possibly some of the other scans you are after) from Usenet. I can vouch for “free-usenet” along with portable alt.binz software. Not the fastest way - it may take three days or so - but completely free and won’t hurt your spleen ratio.
Here are some checksums taken from HanDuet’s “Supplementary Guide: File Verification”:
File Name: Star.Wars.Despecialized.Edition.v2.7.mkv
A link to HanDuet’s full guide can be found in the first post of Harmy’s thread:
I always thought the main title followed beautifully on from the Fox fanfare. Interesting to hear that Williams composed the title theme with that in mind! I agree that the fanfare ought to stay in place; any of the OT films without it would somehow feel incomplete.
It’s a little tricky to find on Google, admittedly, since slight variations on the search words lead to nearly identical sites (all in French as it happens), but only one site allows you to successfully follow the link to sign up. Try searching for: dreamastered 1980. The site you want has the “.is” domain.
Note: I can’t vouch that this is genuine, but the details and file size in the description check out.
What happened was I said something dumb but quickly edited it into a shitpost, which derailed the thread a little bit but now I wish to own up to my crimes and right my wrongs.
It gave me a good chuckle in any case!
I’ve taken another look and see what you and the OP mean about the frog looking like CGI. Not because it looks slightly off (in the way crap CGI does), but because entire movement looks too realistic to be a simple puppet. I would say the effect is streets ahead of Salacious Crumb for example, who moves more like a Muppet.
What is going on in the second half of this thread… I sense some usage of the Chewbacca defence.
I’ve always liked that burping frog-like puppet in RotJ. As far as I know, Lucas didn’t try to “improve” it with CG effects for the special edition.
4k77 is GOUT synced because the one missing frame is at the end of reel 5 for which we didn’t have a 35mm source. We would have had to use a BluRay frame to add it, so it was just left out.
But if this frame was just left out, wouldn’t that mean 4K77 was no longer GOUT synced? Or was a blank frame inserted to compensate?
I’ve just checked my SSE v1.6, and it doesn’t have the extended brightness either.
All very mysterious…
Auditions for the B-Wing pilots are now open and here is how you can enter…
email@example.com. (Mark it “B-Wing Audition” )
You have a p.m. - I couldn’t get the above email address to work.
The new print is not faded and is mold-free, it should give us both a great colour reference and good quality for the main scan. The other prints will be to help with any frames missing from the new print, and as a resource for any badly damaged frames on the new print.
So long story short, it is much better than any of the previous sources (i.e. the UK, German or Frindhouse).
It is just a matter now of saving up some more dollars for cleaning and scanning and storage etc.
Great news, Poita - exciting times for ESB fans.
Please could you check your pms from a couple of weeks ago regarding a contribution made earlier in the month?
I don’t think it’s looped, although it does look similar. Luke’s head is in a different place the second time and he holds his right hand differently.
the Emperor’s line “an entire legion of my best troops awaits them”.
For all these years I’ve heard that line as “base troops” and thought it was a little odd…
But as you point out, “best troops” doesn’t make much more sense given how cr*p they are against teddy bears.
poita said: (snipped)
It is based on this technique http://www.mudgee.net/ot/colourgrading.pdf
The basics are here: https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Colour-matching-for-fan-edits/id/7257/page/1
Hope that helps!
Thank you for the info and the links. I hadn’t realised the underlying algorithm was iterative until reading those guides.
I’ve just noticed this in the first post:
The samples posted so far have not been colour adjusted …
The pictures on page 1 of this thread all look great too, despite them coming from scans before the acquisition of the new, unfaded print. Presumably there was at least some basic adjustment to remove red fade from them? In layman’s terms, is it a case of applying a blanket reduction to the R value of the RGB codes across a reel so that it “looks about right”?
Guess my eyes and/or monitor are shot… I can’t tell the difference between “tab 1” and “tab 2” in either of the two links above!
Regarding the stuttering problems some people have had with 4K77, I am reminded of an issue I had with NJVC’s 50GB bluray of Harmy’s SW DeEd on my standalone player. I noticed some weird stuttering in the video whereby it seemed to be losing a couple of frames each second, but the audio sounded fine.
I eventually discovered that by switching to an audio track other than the first (default) one, the video problems went away. It might be worth a try with the UHD 4K77 file, in case the underlying problem is actually with the software struggling to read the audio track at the expense of messing up the video.
(I realise this is a long shot!)
Binsearch shows something… Tell your friends
Both binsearch and nzbindex show it as incomplete. Perhaps there is enough there for the par2 files to repair it?
(Nothing listed on nzbking, but that one looks pretty out of date.)
Have you tried either of the following?
- Use part 15 of your second download with all other parts of your first download
- Use part 9 of your first download with all other parts of your second download
Checksums for the final mkv file are as follows:
It was better broken. It’s a bit like having a trailer for ESB which gives away the Vader/Luke plot twist.