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#259148
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ANH screening with modelmaker Lorne Peterson...WHY ARE THEY SCREENING THE SE??
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If you look at my original post, I was responding to a comment that zombie84 made.

I am guessing the reason is because Lucasfilm has recalled all prints of the original 1977 ANH and does not lend out the OOT anymore--only the SE prints may be screened. I remember a similar incident where a university wanted to screen the film as part of its 1970's cinema classics class and only were offered the 1997 SE. The OOT dies a little once more.


Zombie84 took this move by Lucas/McCallum and whoever as an attempt at further pushing aside the OOT. The logic was "If they don't have the guts to do a screening that doesn't have the OOT with L. Peterson's full magnitude of model work, then they are making a terrible choice."

I was only presenting the September OOT DVD release as the only available option if that is possibly going to be done. It's a stretch, as several of you have mentioned, because they are only on DVD and they would be using a normal DVD projector in a theatre. I agree with you fully on this. That is my point.

But many of you seem to think there is another option for them to choose. What else are they supposed to be screening that isn't the Special Editions? Those are the only apparent strips on a common theatre reel . . .Just like auraloffalwaffle said.



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#259111
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ANH screening with modelmaker Lorne Peterson...WHY ARE THEY SCREENING THE SE??
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Originally posted by: auraloffalwaffle
To BeeJay:

So, you think it's perfectly acceptable that a cinema would have to resort to using a dvd projector and to show a 13 year old master of a film of which far superior 35mm prints are available?


The LaserDisc quality is not piss-poor quality, like a lot of people try to say. Of course it doesn't rank up with truly restored digital viewing, as it would have if they used the original negatives as the baseline for the September release.

By the same token, the old LaserDisc releases were rather crisp, don't you think?
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#259106
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ANH screening with modelmaker Lorne Peterson...WHY ARE THEY SCREENING THE SE??
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Originally posted by: zombie84
In a latest bit of bullshit OOT-suppression, the American Cinemateque is screening Star Wars with Lorne Peterson, who was one of the chief modelmakers on the film and was responsible for many of the incredible craftsmanship and innovations the films created. Peterson will introduce the film and then be signing autographs for his new book on the ILM Modelshop, tracing the renowned modelshops early days in the 1970's and 80's.

But the Special Edition is being screened. Roughly 80% of the original groundbreaking, Oscar-winning modelwork is deleted.


Does this not bother anyone?

I am guessing the reason is because Lucasfilm has recalled all prints of the original 1977 ANH and does not lend out the OOT anymore--only the SE prints may be screened. I remember a similar incident where a university wanted to screen the film as part of its 1970's cinema classics class and only were offered the 1997 SE. The OOT dies a little once more.


If Lucas ever truly wanted to supress the OOT, then he wouldn't have allowed the recent release of it like he did in early September of this year.

The OOT we love is still there and going strong. The 1997 Special Editions I actually somewhat liked, while at the same time I don't want the OOT to be destroyed. It's not. It's still here.

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#259077
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Hey guys, Remember when Star wars had writing like this?
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Originally posted by: CO

ObiJeewhyen, here is where ESB ruins the saga, "I am your father!" Now I am not as high on this line as most of my SW friends, who think this is the pinnacle moment of the OT for them. For me, it is still Luke blowing up the death star in SW, that is the cream of the crop of the any movie I have ever seen.

I would like to join in on this, I have some things to say.

While Luke doing away with the Death Star is one of the most powerful climaxes in the saga, the famous Vader line is one of the darkest revelations in dialogue delivered in cinematic history. I cannot really see how anyone could dislike this. It opens up a lot of new storylines and doors for the movies.

Think about it. Luke now knows who his father really is. That is motive for staying on the lightside, because as long as he stays on the lightside and does not succumb to the Emperor, then there is the chance of making his father... a true father again. That's the cornerstone of Return of the Jedi, which never would have worked without Darth Vader giving Luke the truth.

Originally posted by: CO

What 'I am your father' did to the rest of the SW movies is make Lucas think that EVERY fan loves Darth Vader and wants to know everthing about him. WRONG!!!!! I love Darth Vader as a bad guy, or an antagonist in the OT, but I don't like him as the star of the saga now, that is one of the reasons why I will never be a saga fan.

At first in Episode IV we were kept in ignorance of who Darth Vader was. Lucas said that the fans thought to themselves: "Is there even a human underneath that suit?" We are supposed to see Vader as the arch-villain at first.

But as the story grows and enriches itself through more character development, we start to see that yes there is a man under there, and no, he is not the only hero. He is a fallen hero who has to rise again with the help of Luke.

Originally posted by: CO

Lucas saw how everyone reacted at that one line in ESB, and I personally think he went Vader crazy after that. He pigeoned holed the saga to focus so much on Darth Vader, he has cut out so many would be fans like me who fell in love with the rebellion beating the empire through my heroes Luke, Leia, and Han.


No no no. The trio (Luke, Leia, Han) still remained very powerful heroes on the screen even after Episode IV set them up as the only large heroes. But as the movies progress, and more villains appear, there has to be more apparent heroic characters to balance that out (ei. Anakin Skywalker himself.)

Originally posted by: CO

By Lucas constantly saying it is Darth Vader story now 1-6, or the tragedy of Darth Vader, he has essentially made SW into a fanbase 1-6 that loves Darth Vader and his story, and that is it, cause everything in the PT took a backseat to Anankins story. And now if you look at the saga overall 1-6, the PT was really explains the last hour of ROTJ and why Anakin did what he did to save his son and kill the Emperor. The problem is there is a huge story that we all fell in love with that had to do with Luke, Han, and Leia that is just a footnote now.


If we just view IV without context of the other films, and as stand-alone film, then the story is over at that, and it's no longer the tragedy of Darth Vader, but becomes the heroics of the unlikely trio we find in Luke, Leia, and Han. There is nothing wrong with that at all.

But if we are to expand beyond that, we need more characters and arcs than just with those three people. Beyond IV, we need a deeper storyline, or the heroics of the trio quickly get worn-out, milked for all they are worth, and become meaningless. Do you see where I'm coming from?

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#258743
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Hey guys, Remember when Star wars had writing like this?
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Yoda's dialogue and wording does have apparent origins and that was confirmed a long time ago.

I think anyone can have a passing appreciation at least for Western philosophy and that is really what Yoda has always stood for. Taoism mainly, but Confucianism to a small degree, with Yoda always giving the impression that there were set rituals and traditions within the Jedi ranks. It takes training from anther individual in Confucianism to get to be a real Confucianist. In Taoism it is more of a self and individual journey unless you refer to the religious Taoism and not the normal philisophical kind. The Force in ESB is portrayed strongly as a bit of both of these Western thoughts.

A lot of people say they see Buddhism in the Jedi thoughts of ESB, but personally I see it to a much lesser degree than with Confucianism and Taoism.


Originally posted by: Dug
Despite the desire to have Yoda appear in the prequel, I really wish Yoda had not been in the prequels. I would've preferred that Yoda, even though strong in the Force, realizes that he is too frail, physically, to counter the looming dark side, and thereby, leaves, goes into hiding, waiting for the good Jedi to find him, or at least, wait for one who would be strong enough to train and battle the Emperor.

(And I really would love the surprise of ESB when we finally do get to see Yoda remain intact. "That's Yoda?!" As it stands, Yoda is ruined for me by having him appear in the PT. Now it's no surprise to anyone by ESB).

So, we'd get exposition right away in Episode I of Obi-Wan bringing Anakin to Yoda, only to be told, "He's gone, no one knows where he went. He said he wasn't strong enough." And then Obi-Wan decides, "Okay, if Yoda isn't here to train him, then I will."

Which fits right in with everything Obi-Wan said in the OOT.


Yoda got a bit too much screen-time in the Prequel Trilogy but I stand by saying he was necessary for Revenge of the Sith at the very least. Let's take a look at what Yoda did accomplish in the PT.

Episode I : Gave Obi-Wan permission to train Anakin after all the Qui-Gon controversy. Anakin's apprenticeship under Obi-Wan is undeniably a cornerstone of the entire saga.

Ep. II : Initiated the clones on Kamino and brought them over to Geonosis which essentially began the Clone Wars.

Ep. III : Was the voice of reason to Anakin before his fall. Fought the Emperor and was the one who commanded that the remaining Jedi go into hiding until the time was ripe.
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#258737
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What did the Prequel Trilogy need?
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Originally posted by: Nobody

The original Star Wars is a very classically and carefully structured piece of cinema, and it's definitely told from the droid's viewpoint. I think that ideal was much looser in the following two movies, so I'd say it's a stretch that the whole saga is from their point-of-view, but they're obviously a presence throughout.

Episode IV definitely shows it from their point of view to a greater extent. I agree with that. Although done more loosely in the next movies, it is still the baseline, no doubt.

Artoo and/or Threepio are always present or nearby with the heroes. I really liked how this carried on over to the Prequel Trilogy. What do you think of the irony of R2-D2 going with Anakin to Mustafar where he essentially becomes the mechanical Darth Vader we had all been waiting for?

Originally posted by: Nobody

But, regarding Anakin's involvement, it only makes sense to me that he might have built Artoo. It's not real science that matters here, it's movie logic. Although both robots are technically complex, it is because of Artoo's personality that he speaks much more highly of Anakin's abilities.

Artoo is unique and whoever did create him undoubtedly put special twists and turns in the little droid's programming. That is not really a matter of opinion, it is a matter of a fact. No other astromech stands out in the galaxy and story as much as Artoo.

But at the same time it was the protocol droid who knew all the languages, was cynical of everything and everyone, and stumbled into danger where he didn't mean to. That I think reflects Anakin's own personality a bit more. A cynical, well-intentioned, sometimes oblivious personality. Artoo and Anakin, while there are parallels, I simply don't see it to the extent that I do with Threepio and Anakin.

Originally posted by: Nobody

And that doesn't require taking the heroic repair job away from him. That scene was obviously contrived to introduce him, so it could simply be contrived at a different spot. A flock of robots driving out onto the hull to fix a severed wire is a little silly anyway. Imagine this instead: the ship is damaged, and either they have no droids, or none can fix it, and that's why they have to land. On Tatooine they meet Artoo, who comes with. NOW something goes wrong. They could be attacked again - could be Trade goons, or maybe Jabba discovered them and sent his own cronies (interesting chance to see another culture's space tech)- or maybe Obi-Wan is simply a lousy mechanic and his upgrades break. My vote is that Maul is after them, and Obi-wan didn't get the hyperdrive working right, and Anakin and Artoo work together to get it running in time - probably requiring Artoo's spacewalk. Makes them both look good.


I see so many people argue and fight about The Phantom Menace not contributing enough to the overall plot of the saga. Your version of the story how would've liked it, sounds almost like it is a side-story that wouldn't contribute, unless for instance you made Jabba a main villain ride beside Darth Maul. The reason for TPM being like it is with the escape from Naboo, was that they needed to pass through the blockade.

That blockade was initiated by the Trade Federation, which was being used like a pawn by Darth Sidious: that is a major role in his becoming Supreme Chancellor, because it creates doubt in the senate of the current Chancellor's collective wisdom.

Save for AOTC, there's very few useless moments. It's scenes like those, with the repairing of the Naboo cruiser that contribute to the overall picture. Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan needed to escape in order to ever end up meeting Anakin.

And while I can see your version as possibly adequate, if contributing to the whole saga as an entity, I think it was handled great as is. Seriously. If anything was well thought out in the aspect of small, seemingly useless scenes, it is the whole Naboo/Trade Federation/Darth Sidious arc. Before Revenge of the Sith I can't blame someone for saying it all was for nothing. But now we have all the proof and back-up that we need to say "Hey this actually does make sense from the overall picture of things."

Originally posted by: Nobody

And what about Threepio? He's easy. As a protocol droid, he fits nicely into any official hospitality capacity, of which there are plenty, since the prequels deal with so many politicians. It was nice meeting a counter-part of his right off the bat, and frankly, I was expecting to see many more. For instance, you know who could probably use such a droid in their employ, but was conspicuously missing one? Amidala. So, that's my answer: Threepio works for Amidala. Which means we meet him in Naboo, and he's been along with the main characters the whole time. Probably we first see him on the escape ship - it would make sense for him to be stationed there, since it's sortof Naboo's Air Force One. Again, the movie logic side of my brain really likes this idea, because it means one droid belongs to Anakin, and the other to Padme. Nice and symmetrical.


That thought never did occur to me. Wouldn't that be strange to watch Episode IV, the original Star Wars and go "Hey, Threepio belonged to Anakin and Artoo was a close favorite astromech droid of Padme!" And Luke first seeing the two droids together, not even knowing how closely linked they are to his origins!

Keep in mind I did switch that ownership around to the canon ownerships, because I simply can't bend my mind around your fixation with having Threepio working for Amidala. I mean I can start to imagine it, but then the whole storyline of the saga starts to unfocus, and I just don't think it could ever work out that way.

For one thing, Padme and Threepio simply wouldn't get along being around one another all the time like you want. There are friends/companions out there with very different personalities from one another, yes, but I can only imagine those two getting on one another's nerves. For an example of this, look at how Leia and Threepio get along in the Original Trilogy. Leia is a lot different from her mother Padme but they really have the same temperament!


Originally posted by: Nobody

You know, I'm sure you can find a way to explain any of his actions, but it didn't come across to me on the screen. It's not that he wasn't emotional enough, or the scene wasn't emotional enough - it's just the emotions seemed contrived... they seemed inconsistent. But I don't want to debate this subject much, because it could go on forever, and I think it's off-topic here.


Nobody, it might be getting a bit off-topic. But I might like to have an explanation of what you mean by inconsistent. Emotions of turmoil can't all be the same from day to day or Star Wars movie to Star Wars movie ....emotions are like a storm, and they are always going up and down. Especially with Anakin Skywalker.
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#258040
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What did the Prequel Trilogy need?
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Originally posted by: Nobody

Enough, for sure. But just "enough" isn't good enough for the central hub of a religion. It should be "the most" - a concentration of everything they hold dear. What about the design of the Jedi Temple has anything to do with what they believe in? It looks cool and impressive, but it's got nothing to do with the Jedi religion. And why all the steel? From the outside, the building looks like a Fabergé factory. It blends right into the industrial/commercial opulance that makes Coruscant such a spectacular - and dehumanizing - place. Sure, the city's filled with lots and lots and LOTS of people. So is Grand Central Station. Can you imagine a Jedi relishing in his love of life by standing in a train station?

We can't say for sure why the Jedi temple is like it is. In all fairness it does have its uniqueness among other monuments around. It has four thin towers reaching up to the height of the skyline, and in the center is the main tower (which I assume the council chamber is at the very top, overlooking everything all around the cityscape.) These tower designs could very well be symbolic for something to do with the Force, or more probable: precepts of their beliefs. Maybe the number of towers is significant, I am not sure

And while there is a lot of metal, I do believe many of the floors are carpeted and stone. Stone floors are as close to organic as the Temple interior gets, I'll admit. Not to mention all the organic warm/cool colors.

I understand the desire for a central meeting place - someplace close to the halls of political power. But why not make that place a respite from the chaos around it? If I ran the zoo, my inspiration for the Temple would be the Hanging Gardens of Babylon. It doesn't need to be a messy, uncultivated swamp like Dagobah. A place low to the ground, but spread over many miles, full of gardens and orchards and strange animals and children chasing each other around while doing spectacular stunts in the trees. A place where the buildings are crafted by loving and talented hands, not by machines - pinnacles of art and of patience. Perhaps, a place where the concentrated energy of the Force is so great that rocks float in the lake, and flowers grow out of thin air. And my mind is really wandering there - I'm sure there are totally different directions you could take this idea, but the point is that it's not hard to envision a temple that is both spectacular and centrally located, and that still exemplifies the Jedi ideals. Yet Lucas didn't bother. He didn't think.

That description is neat. Definitely would have put a new spin on things in ROTS, if instead of Anakin walking into a metal/stone/dreary building, he walked passed statues of Jedi long gone, down beautiful gardens paths. There really would have been a clash of good and evil in that moment, if the Temple were as you imagined it. That's a neat idea.

The centralized location is near other important Coruscantian (?) political locations. This never is confirmed 100%, but if you take a look at the different types of locations around the Temple, which as you said are very near (the Temple isn't secluded at all,) you do get the sense that the architects decided to put the Jedi headquarters there because it is near where a LOT of negotiations will need to take place. Think how much violence breaks out in these seemingly civilized places! The Jedi need to be near. I think George Lucas realized this, so put the Jedi Temple right where everyone else important is.

And, for the record, my opinion is that he thought very little through, and that it had a very huge effect. People slam his directing all the time, and it sure wasn't great, but the real problem is the story itself. The writing. Stupid little things that contradict and didn't occur to him, and add up to hurt the films at all the critical points. Stuff like Queen Amidala is "young and naive," but it turns out she was elected, so the whole young-monarch-inherits-huge-responsibility concept has the rug pulled right out from under it. Stuff like building a protocol droid to help his poverty-stricken mother. With what? Dinner parties? How is it that he fits perfectly into a mass-produced shell? Did Anakin buy the do-it-yourself kit? He should have built R2-D2. For one thing, Artoo is unique. For another, Artoo is plucky and resourceful and heroic - and could therefore be considered the embodiment of his good traits, even during the rebellion. The only thing Threepio seems to have inherited is his whininess.


I remember George talking in DVD commentary for ANH (if this is wrong, someone correct me. Could be in another one of the OT movies, but I'm pretty sure it is Episode IV,) how the saga is told from the two droids' point of view. He expanded that to the droids having a part of the entire saga, so you could go as far as to say the entire saga is told from their viewpoint!

Threepio and Artoo are loosely themselves based on the 'Hidden Fortress' duo of unlucky guys who run into a princess, war, heroes, etc. etc.

So we know that one or both of these two droids had to make an appearance from very early on in The Phantom Menace. Whether or not Anakin got a DIY kit and started working on Threepio is sort of immaterial. A nine-year-old who can put together anything that advanced, whether DIY or not, is someone who is good at gadgetery and mechanics to a very high extent.

Should he have created Artoo? Well, we know that Artoo becomes significant because the Naboo cruiser they are using to bust from the blockade is damaged (shield generators) and I couldn't picture any other droid except for an astromech droids going and repairing that damage. If Anakin had created Artoo, then Threepio would have needed an introduction at that point, and I don't know about you: but I can't picture a protocal droid going out to the surface of a ship while in space and fixing the generators.

And there. RIGHT THERE. That's the big one. Anakin is a brat. There is no level on which that was a good decision, and it's not just Hayden's performance - he was written that way. And it spoils everything it touches. This is supposed to be a tragedy, but a tragedy only works when you sympathize with the main character. It's tragic because you can see how that person's flaws led to their downfall, and because you realize how likely it is that you would have done the same. You can hate Michael Corleone, but all the moreso because you know how good he could have been, and because you understand why he made every choice he did. I don't understand any of the choices Anakin made. I don't sympathize with him, I don't relate to him, and I find him annoying and idiotic. He was characterized very badly and very inconsistently. That alone, even if everything else was perfect, destroys the entire trilogy. That character arc is the entire reason the movies were made in the first place. If that arc works, then everything else is forgivable, and if it doesn't, then nothing else matters.... and Lucas botched it. Badly.


Anakin in the PT was always bordering on being a closet sociopath. We need to sympathize with all he had to put up with from the Jedi, along with the death of his mother. While some feel his turn to the darkside wasn't very emotional, and that he had no real reason to turn: make up for that by knowing that Anakin was naturally unstable from the beginning. If it was Obi-Wan's cynical attitude toward his padawan that made Anakin INITIALLY twisted, we'll never know. But the fact is, even by the beginning of AOTC, Anakin was demented to a certain extent already.

Darth Vader in the Original Trilogy was of course an extremely dark villain. To be realistic, George knew he had to incomporate dark elements into Anakin's mind from the start. Yes, Anakin is whiney, and yes he is a brat. But that is emotion pent up inside of his soul from back in the days of being a slave. The reason Jake Lloyd as Anakin showed very little darkness, is that the darkness had yet to actually set in. The young boy couldn't yet filter out what to feel and what not to feel, so he took the path of being a normal, innocent boy. So as that boy got older, he started being able to understand these emotions. But understanding emotions doesn't mean you can deal with them. Anakin, being a Jedi, having to supress all these wild emotions, was required by nature to become a brat.

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#258038
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What did the Prequel Trilogy need?
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Originally posted by: vote_for_palpatine
Originally posted by: BeeJay
In ESB, Yoda did mention to Luke that he kept a council of Jedi. If this council has a place to meet, as in the Temple on Coruscant, then that just means the Jedi found it more convenient for them to gather in a place instead of trying to have meetings while scattered around the far corners of the galaxy.


Could you elaborate on which scene you mean? Because I believe you're referring to this:


"Ready, are you? What know you of ready? For eight hundred years have I trained Jedi. My own counsel will I keep on who is to be trained!"

That is not council as in "city council", but counsel as in "judgment". Below is the link:

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=counsel





All that I was saying was that there was a need for a Jedi council. You are right, I misremembered the quote. But I think Yoda and Obi-Wan's interactions, especially when Obi-Wan is trying to convince Yoda to take Luke as an apprentice, really give the impression that the Jedi were an order of individuals.

Here's Yoda coming up with excuses why Luke can't become a Jedi, and Ben says to the impatience argument: "So was I, if you remember." (Obi-wan as a youngling had impatience.)
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#258025
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Question about the Prequels
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Of course no website is going to lockstep in their views, so I am sure there are still some OOT fans left on the site, but trust me, the majority all left last year, and I can name dozens of them who are at ORS now. The funny thing is alot of PT fans left TFn and went to ORS, cause they were frustrated too, cause they are not lockstep either towards all 6 movies, as they will readily admit the movies flaws, but still love them in a certain way too.

Did the disgruntled fans leave because of the site's (TF.N) leanings? I do not understand the purpose of why they left and went to ORS.

TF.N doesn't lean toward the whole saga equally. You are asking too much for a Star Wars forum not to have leanings. Every website will favor one trilogy over the other because of the members themselves. I don't believe in complete nuetrality in the fanbase of Star Wars.


If you have time, go back 3-4 years, or even before ROTS and check out the debates and how good they really were. That site was the best in its time before the end of the PT, as you would get all sides of the debates regarding SW. Now you have just a bunch of people who love the PT, and 2-3 naysayers who vehemently hate the PT who are just getting everyone riled up. Now many would say, isn't that the exact thing that happens here, but the other way around? I say that is exactly right, but check out the name of the website we all post at, it is pretty clear what versions we are fighting against sir George.

The bottom line is we have an agenda here which is pretty specific and to the point. TFN has an agenda, but doesn't come right out and say it, and that is why so many people have left the site in the last year.



But that would be like me leaving OriginalTrilogy.net because of the OOT leanings. If I wanted to talk about the PT and got repremended for it, then OT.N is just as guilty as any other website that favors something else. It'd just be from a different perspective, but it would be the same difference.


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#257895
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What did the Prequel Trilogy need?
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Originally posted by: Nobody
Too many responses to get caught up, so here's hoping I'm saying something new...

Endless problems, but one of the worst is the portrayal of Jedi. I agree with others that they should be more detached and remote, like samurai. A meeting with Yoda should be a special and mysterious trip, like meeting with Nicodemus of the rats of NIMH. But most of all, the Jedi Temple was a horrendous mistake.

In ESB, Yoda did mention to Luke that he kept a council of Jedi. If this council has a place to meet, as in the Temple on Coruscant, then that just means the Jedi found it more convenient for them to gather in a place instead of trying to have meetings while scattered around the far corners of the galaxy.

In ROTS I did think the meeting between Anakin and Yoda was very mysterious. Yoda was sitting next to the window, cast in shadow,and you could only see clearly parts of his face. Every word he said was very elusive, mystical, if not a bit dark. His advice was that Anakin must let go of everything he holds dear to him (Padme.)

The Jedi are a religion of life. Yoda has his whole famous speech about how the Force grows from the life in the universe. Why else would he live in Dagobah? That planet is absolutely dripping with living things. So where does George place the Jedi to worship? In a steel and marble monstrosity that doesn't have so much as a potted plant. AND the council meets in a chamber at the tippy-top of the highest tower, as far as possible from the life-sustaining earth below. A true Jedi would HATE IT in that place. It's a chilly, lifeless hell.


I understand what you mean. However, have you ever thought that life still comes from the living beings on Coruscant? It is a huge city; and while I'll admit it is lacking in plants where there needs to be, humans/aliens/and everything in between are in the hundreds of millions! That is probably enough life Force to sustain the Jedi's love for living things.

That's really not the worst mistake in the PT, but it exemplifies the thoughtlessness that infects everything else. Literally - he just did things without thinking about what they meant.


It's my opinion that George Lucas did think everything out. Maybe he missed some things and created inconsistancies, but nothing huge. Anyone who creates a prequel trilogy is undoubtedly going to come out with some inconsistancies. Lucas, by seeing how everything turned out, did a great job!!

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#257742
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What did the Prequel Trilogy need?
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The prequels were good as they are. BUT... nothing is flawless, and I think the movie in the PT with the most flaws would have to be AOTC.

- It needed less Anakin and more Obi-Wan.

- Showing the Death Star plans near the end with Dooku ..was cheesey to say the very least.

But all that said and done, I do like Jar-Jar Binks. He is an important character when it comes to the senate, because he's the one that actually appoints the Supreme Chancellor. Rather than annoying in TPM I find him utterly hilarious.
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#257740
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Question about the Prequels
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Originally posted by: ZigFried
Is it OK for me to like the Prequels?

I suffer from an Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD). I get easily offended and anything that offends me becomes a bad memory, which becomes locked in my mind. And anything I do to try and get rid of them doesn't work. They're so bad that they constantly interfere with my daily life, which is why I had to put my Paint Wars project on hold. There are several movies and TV shows that have been offensive to me. In fact, so many, that I've banned myself from ever watching another movie again. The only movies I'm willing to watch now are Star Wars, Indiana Jones, and the Thief and the Cobbler.


What types of things did you find offensive in some movies, Zeg? Are the offenses like catch-phrases or something, or more in the action of a movie?

Nothing in Star Wars ever offended me rather than some of the stuff in Attack of the Clones. That is by far my least favorite movie in the saga. It had the most offensive parts, and I think you might hate it too.